Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #41 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:34 am

Wow, it's seriously going to be hard playing with Socio, since I'm using the tiger skin =/

Vote: Pomegranate

because she says her first vote is always on someone with whom she's played before, yet she's the only one here I

have

played with before. Obvscum.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #46 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:54 am

Oops, I was guilty of the typo in this instance, I meant "someone she

hasn't

played with before."

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #50 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:04 am

Socio wrote:
Pom wrote:
Thanks Manzcar and SocioPath for telling me I was right

Obvbuddying

Obvscumclaim

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #51 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:05 am

Great, now I feel horrible for misrepresenting Pom's color. -_-

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #57 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:56 pm

chamber wrote:
semioldguy wrote:
chamber wrote:

First, that was the second vote not the forth. Second that was for an arbitrary reason, my vote for you was note.

First, arguing which number it was doesn't address what the vote does or appears to be doing. Second, if you don't share your reason, then I have no reason to believe your vote on me wasn't arbitrary. And it's still OMGUS.

From the wiki:

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.

Since my vote wasn't because you voted me at all it is in fact NOT an omgus vote.

Also I don't explain my votes, get over it.

This is a pretty juicy scum post. First, you give a dictionary definition for something that I think at least has come to mean more than that. Basically, from my limited experience, it doesn't have to be a vote; it could be anything the OMGUS-ee does/says that the OMGUS-er doesn't like--not thinks is scummy, just doesn't like.

Then you go on to say you don't explain your votes. This is anti-town at the very least, and most of the time a pretty strong scumtell imo (of course, that's without any sort of metagaming involved).

And finally, you make a statement that reads as follows: "get over it." This is very abrasive, and a scummy GTFO move. I'll have to check the votes before I see how much pressure you were under, or if I want to vote you, but it's probably coming.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #58 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:00 pm

Ok, when you made that statement, you only had one vote on you, which makes you even more scummy for making that comment, and now you only have two (please correct me if I'm wrong), so I have no qualms in doing this...

Unvote Pom, Vote: chamber

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #59 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:00 pm

@mod: Oops, please fix that.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #64 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:46 pm

Ok, so being abrasive isn't always scummy, I forgot about some players I've played with who were pretty fishing abrasive who turned out to be town. Still don't like it, as it can be anti-town if used the wrong way, but not always scummy.

And the number of votes would change my analysis of your post, as that kind of comment would have been less scummy of you were under more pressure from votes.

And how would not explaining votes be pro-town?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:06 pm

chamber wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:

And how would not explaining votes be pro-town?

I'm asked this too often, I should write it out and put it in an md thread sometime. In the meantime all thats important as far as my alighnment goes is that I believe it, and that fact is fairly well documented, including my sig.

How does your sig document the fact that you don't believe in explaining your votes?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #69 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:14 pm

Socio, I should know what your sig means, but I don't. Mind translating from what I assume is Latin?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #73 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:27 pm

chamber wrote:

Meant title. what I get for not double checking posts.

sig = signature

Still doesn't explain why you don't explain your votes, just that you don't.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #89 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:49 pm

chamber, I don't think why you think something is irrelevant. In fact, I think it's extremely relevant. In addition, you should explain why you're so averse to giving us a simple reason for why you're not giving us any concrete cases,

which is what this game is based on

. You're still digging yourself deeper, as evidenced by the votes pouring in on you.

Josh wrote:
If you don't "feel like" explaining yourself, perhaps you shouldn't "feel like" playing.

QFT

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #112 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:10 pm

Unvote chamber

. Not sure who to vote for now...can I get a summary of the case on Budja please?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #114 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:52 pm

Chibo, please don't misunderstand. My vote will go back onto the new lavender player if he/she does something scummy; I just wanna give the replacement the benefit of the doubt. Replacements can't explain their predecessors' scumminess.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #126 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:54 am

Manzcar wrote:
Kirby any particular reason you want others to do the heavy lifting for you?

That's not what I wanted at all, and saying I did is a strawman, and therefore an invalid argument. I wanted someone who was voting Budja to remind me why they were, since I didn't see anything he did that was scummy, and still don't, so I'm going to sit on "Not Voting" for awhile, until someone does something to make my scummy-sense tingle.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #163 (isolation #15) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:47 am

SOG wrote:
X and Y are very, very similar, but they are not the same.

The difference between X and Y is the difference between male and female.

But seriously, although Zaz raises some good points against you, you've defended yourself well enough. As of right now, I'm not getting a scum vibe from anyone. Top of my list would probably be

Manzcar,

but that's probably because I'm blinded by the fact that it seems like I'm the only one he ever attacks.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #176 (isolation #16) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:03 pm

SOG wrote:
Unvote; Vote: ZazieR

Now, I think Zazie's actions have been kinda strange, certainly not my playstyle, but it doesn't mean it's wrong. Chamber's playstyle was wrong; Zazie's, not so much, and definitely not worth a vote. I think SOG is either trying to make a case where there's not one just for the sake of making a case, or picking on the replacement, both of which are scummy.

Vote: semioldguy

since this is the first thing I've seen since chamber left that I see as scummy.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #190 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:33 am

Zazie wrote:
I only said at one post that I'd elaborate further later in case Kirby, at whom the post was aimed, wanted to respond first.

I don't know what you want me to respond to, as the post to which you referred was made by Manzcar, not me.

Also, another point against SOG:

SOG wrote:
What's the point to all the..."elaborate later" type comments?

Misdirection, as Zazie only made one "elaborate later" comment.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #191 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:33 am

Quote tag fail, but y'all get my point

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #200 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:42 am

@mod: Please take me off of the "Not Voting" list.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #201 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:43 am

Kirbyoshi wrote:
@mod: Please take me off of the "Not Voting" list.

EBWOP^

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #202 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:44 am

Kirbyoshi wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:
@mod: Please take me off of the "Not Voting" list.

EBWOP^

EBWOP again

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #208 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:32 pm

Pomegranate wrote:
Post coming later.

@

SOG:

Do you not think this is scummy? It's one of the things you called Zazie out on.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #216 (isolation #23) » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:47 am

semioldguy wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:
Post coming later.

@
SOG:
Do you not think this is scummy? It's one of the things you called Zazie out on.

Depends. I don't ever like it, but I don't always find it scummy. It looks like it may have been in response to a prod. In which case an "I've received my prod and will catch up and post as soon as I'm done" is acceptable. Looks like that is more or less what happened.

However, I find Pomegranate's smattering of "I don't really know" reads on practically everyone in the game to be scummy.

Maybe because she knew she had to post something after she said "I'll post later," so she did. No one's done anything stand-out scummy yet, so I don't have much of a read on anyone yet either; you just seem scummiest to me.[/quote]

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #217 (isolation #24) » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:47 am

Kirbyoshi wrote:
semioldguy wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:
Post coming later.

@
SOG:
Do you not think this is scummy? It's one of the things you called Zazie out on.

Depends. I don't ever like it, but I don't always find it scummy. It looks like it may have been in response to a prod. In which case an "I've received my prod and will catch up and post as soon as I'm done" is acceptable. Looks like that is more or less what happened.

However, I find Pomegranate's smattering of "I don't really know" reads on practically everyone in the game to be scummy.

Maybe because she knew she had to post something after she said "I'll post later," so she did. No one's done anything stand-out scummy yet, so I don't have much of a read on anyone yet either; you just seem scummiest to me.

Dang it.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #221 (isolation #25) » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Anyways, here's a question to everyone who voted charter: Why did you vote for him? I still have no idea why his lynching was turned into a policy lynch based solely on his playing style.

Bottom line, I thought him not explaining votes was scummy. If that's how he explains it every game, he could do it as scum. He was the scummiest person I saw; therefore, I voted him. Good question, Nacho.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #238 (isolation #26) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:09 pm

GDude, my original case against SOG is that he seemed like he was building up to a vote on Zazie, then, before I thought I town player should, he voted Zazie with no explanation attached in that one post. While none of these things are scummy individually, I think they are sufficient when combined, and my vote has been affirmed a couple times since it occurred. Other people will have to answer with their cases, since I can't speak for them.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #253 (isolation #27) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:34 am

Budja:

Ok, maybe there was no buildup, but even if there wasn't, that makes it even more scummy. Point is, SOG had no reason to vote Zazie, and then just came in, did it, and left. No explanation, no leading into it in the post, nothing; just a vote.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #263 (isolation #28) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:43 pm

Nacho, your "case" on Josh is pretty hypocritical. You're saying he hasn't posted, yet the only one who's posted less than you is Snow. Please, if you're going to vote for someone, make sure you're not committing the fault you accuse them of. Thank you.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #288 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:28 am

semioldguy wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
semioldguy wrote:
This is a bad wagon right now.
We need to run up a counter wagon to get some responses
.

Unvote; Vote: Pomegranate

Elaborate on the bolded

No.

It is not always pro-town to come forward with reasoning first. I'll elaborate after it happens. If you disagree with something that doesn't come with a reason, you should post your reason for why you think it would be bad to do that.

HoS: ZazieR

How would it not be pro-town to give reasons for why you think something? This game is built on reasoning, and if you're not willing to state it, it makes you look pretty scummy.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #289 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:36 am

Ok, so I think I can give a more realistic representation of SOG's discussion with Zazie over not voting Socio than they can themselves...

I'm going to vote for anyone who votes for someone based on having an unreadable color.

I vote SOG for having a

readable

color.

SOG, you don't find that scummy?

No, it's perfectly OK, since he voted for the opposite reason I mentioned.

But it's still a vote based on color, which is in the same ballpark as what you mentioned.

But it's not the same, so I don't find it scummy.

But shouldn't you find it scummy, since it's still a color issue?

No.

Is this basically what SOG and Zazie mean by their arguments?

I hope this helps you both to stop arguing about this, and maybe team up to do some scumhunting

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #314 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:50 pm

Budja wrote:
Ok, I can't say I am unhappy with a SoG lynch but Nacho is right. I really would have liked to hear from elvis first.

Anyway, here hoping for a scum-flip.

QFT. If SOG ends up being town, I think we should lynch Snow toMorrow.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #326 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:10 am

I'm pretty sure that between Shanba and EK is one, and only one, scum. (I say only one because for right now I buy their bickering as not fake.) Snow's hammer was misdirection-saturated, and Josh just seemed scummy from his posts, most of which were just "I'm still here!" Josh also struck me as scummy because of SOG's flip (which btw was GENIUS Jester playing, srsly), since he agreed with SOG on the point of witholding info til a later time (post number forthcoming). Not sure yet which is scummier, but like I said, there's one scum there.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #327 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:13 am

I wrote:
he agreed with SOG on the point of witholding info til a later time (post number forthcoming).

Post 290.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #340 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:56 am

Ok, so looking back, I think my case on Josh was a little far-fetched, and EK hasn't been acting scummy at all, so for the moment she's off my scumdar. Shanba, on the other hand,

has

been acting scummy (I concur with Chibo and Socio, although I trust Socio more atm), so, true to my only other post today...

Vote: Shanba

Chibo went up on my list for the rolefishing, but I think his case on Snow/Shanba holds water.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #350 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:03 am

Shanba, in response to your post about my 2 most scummy players, #1 is obvyou, since that's where my vote is. For #2, I'd like to hear from players who haven't posted in D2, but right now, if you prove you're town, which you're doing a horrible job of, I'd go after either EK or Chibo. But the case on you depends on them being town.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #356 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:37 pm

First off, to Budja, sorry about not answering you. I completely forgot you had asked me those things, with the 2 replacements and all.

Now, for the answers...

Budja wrote:
So does the Jester flip change anything here?

Not much. Jester didn't even cross my mind yesterday, but it's still a role scum would not know either, so for all Snow knew, SOG was town. Hence, Snow's hammer is still scummy.

Budja wrote:
Also could you explain how you agreed with me and then posted an opposing view.

Sorry, those were meant to be separate statements. I was happy with a SOG lynch as well, but it was too early to hammer. And like I said above, it matters very little to the issue at hand that SOG was Jester and not town, since scum wouldn't know the difference.

Budja wrote:
Why must one of them be scum?

I think I explained in the post you quoted why one of them must be scum, and since then I've made my decision on which one is, but I'll tell you anyway. It was mostly because of the actions of their predecessors, and Chibo's most recent posts really drive home why Shanba is also scummy, and therefore worthy of a vote, whilst EK has been acting pro-town since she's entered the game.

Budja wrote:
First I've heard of this. Why didn't you mention this yesterday.

Ok, first of all, you totally should have put a question mark on the end of that. Alright, now that my grammar OCD-ness is satisfied...Because it wasn't as scummy without the SOG flip. Agreeing with a Jester, even though it was good Jester play, still raises my eyebrows. However, I've never played on forums with a Jester before, so idk...

Budja wrote:
I am really getting the feeling Kirby is sitting on the sidelines of the EK, Shanba, Chibo debate ready to vote for the "scummiest".

I already voted for the scummiest: Shanba.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #364 (isolation #37) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:34 am

Shanba wrote:
I have a question for you people: what did scum gain by snow_bunny's hammer?

You really need us to answer this? Ok...

Snow, unless she has some role-revealing role, would not have known that SOG was Jester. If she was scum, which most of us believe she was/you are, scum didn't really "gain" anything. Rather, they lost something they're glad to be rid of; a voter, who could assist in lynching them, and a vocal player (remembering they/y'all had no idea he wasn't scum), who could build up cases against them.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #366 (isolation #38) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:42 am

ZazieR wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:
Ok, so I think I can give a more realistic representation of SOG's discussion with Zazie over not voting Socio than they can themselves...

I'm going to vote for anyone who votes for someone based on having an unreadable color.

I vote SOG for having a
readable
color.

SOG, you don't find that scummy?

No, it's perfectly OK, since he voted for the opposite reason I mentioned.

But it's still a vote based on color, which is in the same ballpark as what you mentioned.

But it's not the same, so I don't find it scummy.

But shouldn't you find it scummy, since it's still a color issue?

No.

Is this basically what SOG and Zazie mean by their arguments?

I hope this helps you both to stop arguing about this, and maybe team up to do some scumhunting

I was more interested in the "why". It seemed as if SoG didn't want the votes as he thought they were useless. The same applies to Socio's and GD's votes. But both didn't get mentioned.

And "team up"?

Well, they had obv played together before, and therefore they now know each other's playstyle and could maybe complement each other's cases better than other players.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #398 (isolation #39) » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:01 pm

Socio wrote:
Maybe all this is just some really really aggressive bussing.

I'm actually not ruling it out yet; they're both acting uber scummy right now imo.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #400 (isolation #40) » Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:36 pm

Pom wrote:
*Well, he based a somewhat random vote based off of it, so I thought he'd looked at it correctly. Also, I knew it was likely it was a typo, and that's why I asked him. I didn't mean to accuse him; I wanted him to clarify that he hadn't twisted my words.

But you didn't ask

if

I twisted your words; you asked

why

. There's a difference there. I don't find you scummy for it, I'm just pointing it out.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #402 (isolation #41) » Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:36 pm

Pomegranate wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:
Pom wrote:
*Well, he based a somewhat random vote based off of it, so I thought he'd looked at it correctly. Also, I knew it was likely it was a typo, and that's why I asked him. I didn't mean to accuse him; I wanted him to clarify that he hadn't twisted my words.
But you didn't ask
if
I twisted your words; you asked
why
. There's a difference there. I don't find you scummy for it, I'm just pointing it out.

I asked you 'why' because you did. Saying 'if' would imply that you mayor may not had, which wasn't true.

But is "twisting words" really the same as committing a simple typo?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #412 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:20 pm

Budja wrote:
No, you have explained why one of them may be scum. I fail to see why one has to be scum.

Actually, EK has proven herself, so this is no longer my view, but it was mostly because of Josh's play (lurking, except when agreeing with a player who turned out to be a Heath Ledger-style Joker), and that they were at each other's throats so hard earlier that I thought that one of them had to be scum trying to force a mislynch. I know now that one was Shanba. In other news...

Chibo and Nacho have both raised on my scumdar recently, because of the recent exchange. Nacho was pretty wrong to rolefish there (and yes, that's what "more than vanilla" means imo), but Chibo should have called him on it immediately, rather than broadcasting to everyone, "I'M VANILLA GUYSSSSSSS!" Other than that, Chibo just seems like a new player who gets his words twisted around himself sometimes. Automatically adding some tact and wisdom to his posts would greatly benefit town

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #414 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:36 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Kirbyoshi wrote:

Chibo and Nacho have both raised on my scumdar recently, because of the recent exchange. Nacho was pretty wrong to rolefish there (and yes, that's what "more than vanilla" means imo), but Chibo should have called him on it immediately, rather than broadcasting to everyone, "I'M VANILLA GUYSSSSSSS!" Other than that, Chibo just seems like a new player who gets his words twisted around himself sometimes. Automatically adding some tact and wisdom to his posts would greatly benefit town

I don't believe I was rolefishing because I didn't ask for a claim, nor did I infer something was needed. If I was rolefishing, then what was I rolefishing for? A cop with a guilty result or scum, maybe, but that's not really that scummy to me. Secondly, I was pointing out a fact. Copious amounts of confidence suggest knowledge that a vanilla townie shouldn't have. Am I wrong in saying this?

I don't think that's necessarily always the case. It could just mean an overly zealous newb townie.

Do you think cop should claim with guilty no matter what? I ask merely for information.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #477 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:53 am

I will be V/LA until Monday, because for fall break, I'm heading home, where the Internet is in disrepair. I'll finish catching up and post answers when I come back on Monday.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #514 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:47 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Because, as of now, no one seems scummy enough to warrant my vote. Budja is my top subject, but he hasn't even replaced in yet. And before you ask why I find him scummy, it's because he was scumhunting less than everyone else in the game, and when he voted, it was always after someone else had voted for that same person, and he never actually added anything to the cases other people made, so it seemed to me like he was just trying to skate along...

Slight misdirection, he did vote me, an unpopular target.

Socio, ironically, your post where you basically tell people to attack you is your scummiest post yet. It's like you're saying OMGUS is your only strong strategy, which is really not the case. I had you as top 2 towniest, and I'm not sure why town would want suspicion on them; I guess scum, however, could be able to skirt small suspicion, but they really have nothing to work with when they have no suspicion on them.

Shanba is still scummiest, but slightly less scummy for the "pressure cooker scenario" statement; that was his best defense yet.

GDude really needs to post, especially since he claimed he'll be able to post more.

I kinda hate to say it, but Chibo's looking less and less scummy and more and more n00by; I don't think smart scum would act the way he's been acting.

Pom, glad to see you post some cases...what took you so long?

Not sure what Zazie has done that's scummy...someone wanna point it out?

EK, keep up the good work. You're looking more townish every post, it seems like.

I don't think Budja/future replacement is scum, because of the unpopular (if illogical) vote.

And yes, I was back earlier than expected

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #516 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:07 pm

lol Socio I guess so, but I'm used to being attacked in Mafia games too (see my history here and on Smash World), and I find assumed towniness to be quite refreshing, and something I could get used to. I guess it's just a difference of opinion.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #527 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:03 pm

Nacho, I don't find it scummy, but I don't agree with the strategy. Asking for posts imo is useless, because what Josh could have done--indeed, what he kinda did--was to post 5 posts without much content, then say, "Ok, Nacho, I gave you your 5 posts, now GTFO."

Shanba, I know it wasn't meant as a defense, but it was kinda taken as one by me nonetheless.

Socio almost seems to be putting up a case-barrier with his recent posts. Like what he did with EK, whenever someone tries to build a case on him, he could just fire back, "OMG you did what I wanted! That's buddying! DIIIIIIIIEEEEE SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!" Like I said, scummiest thing he's done so far.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #546 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:04 pm

Wow, never thought I'd say this, but because of the above post, Shanba's actually starting to look more pro-town. He still has yet to explain away Snow's blunder(s), but on the 545, he basically took the words right out of my mouth, and spat them out a different color

Still waiting on Yankee though...with a name like that, he's gonna have to do alot to prove himself town (kidding).

@mod: I PM'ed Mole about the replacement. I needed another game, since as of now I am only currently active in one.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #548 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:24 pm

@Yankee: You need to unvote Budja's vote before voting

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #551 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:53 am

It absolutely does not. Shanba is still scum, it's just there are downward forces now at work on his scumminess that don't at all negate the upward forces. But yeah, Shanba is so scum.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #561 (isolation #51) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:23 am

lol Socio, you're so scummy.

But seriously, I do believe I posted late in D1 (I think Twilight) that if SoG wasn't scum, Snow should be lynched (it may have actually been if SoG was TOWN, I can't quite remember). Either way, I stand by that opinion, even though it does lose a bit of meaning by the Jester flip.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #566 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:58 pm

Socio, I TOTALLY don't agree with that post. ANY scum is a better lynch than ANY town, and any insight given by scum specifically about the game is basically useless, as scum's main objective is deception. I think Zazie (along with being a "him") is town. He hasn't done anything in my book that deserves lynching.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #678 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:43 am

Sorry I've been a little inactive recently guys, that other game I replaced into for Battousai is really time-consuming!

lol Socio, I actually did your "gameplay experiment," and this is what I found:

Zazie wrote:
Oi~
Replacing Chamber. Will read this game now. But I must say that the flavour written and the person killed as NPC are fun and very creative

Simple confirmation post. Nothing special.

Zazie wrote:
Done. Easy read with easy reads on most players.
So here is how it works. I'm two things:
-A stalker (Not for this game though)
-A 'spammer' (Every game in which I'm active)
You'll see a lot of posts of mine soon. Each addressing one post (and sometimes multiple posts). If either your username is mentioned in the quote or is bolded, it's very likely aimed at you. There are a few exceptions possible.

One warning, you don't want to interrupt my spamfest!
And as I have to add the violet everywhere, there's a good chance you will. If you do, prepare for the worst.

Let's start ^.^

Again, nothing really special. Just explaining his playstyle.

Zazie wrote:
So my list would be as follows:
Scummy - SoG, Manzcar and to a lesser extent Budja
Neutral to Leaning scummy: Bunny, Pome, GD and Josh (Need to post more to get a better impression)
Who?: Nacho
Towny: Socio, Kirby and Chibo.

If you haven't posted yet, congratsulations ^.^ You won't be punished as the 'Spam fest' is over now

No real reason to post the last paragraph. Not really a reason to post the entire thing if there was anyone who hadn't posted yet.

Zazie wrote:
As said, if you wanted to respond to it as Manzcar was talking to you. As you didn't, I pointed out why it was scummy to me.

Fair enough.

Zazie wrote:
@Josh - I'm not crazy

Ok, how does this help us catch scum?

Zazie wrote:
Will continue my catching up tomorrow

And then he doesn't catch up the next day.

Zazie wrote:
Vote Pome

Without any reasoning.

Zazie wrote:
At least Shanba sees my point against Nacho.
Also, according to my dictionary:
Sitting - zittingsperiode, vaste plaats in de kerk, broedsel.

Bonus question for our quiz:
Which of these three fits Pome's given definition?
I vote D: None of them

This makes absolutely no sense. Do you have a Dutch dictionary or something? And what does it have to do with the game?

Conclusion: Unlike Shanba, Zazie hasn't really been helpful. Asking questions that don't even relate to the game, and then when confronted, saying: "Well, my playstyle is to ask questions." Like EK said, Zazie is mostly noise, and Shanba's been actively scumhunting recently, so I think I will

Unvote Shanba, Vote: ZazieR,

and I will encourage others, if you are suspicious of him, to join me. I think that from the evidence presented, he's likely to be scum.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #681 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:24 pm

Chibo, is legit scumhunting really something either side could do? Seems to me it would be extremely hard for scum to do actual scumhunting, seeing that they know already who's scum. Now you're tunneling is starting to bother me, too. Do you have anything to say about my Zazie analysis?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #685 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:45 pm

Yankee, on MafiaScum, each mod does it differently, and the way it is played is stated in the OP. In this particular game, the person with the most votes is lynched at deadline, whether it's a majority or not.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #686 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:57 pm

I still support a Shanba lynch, but since it's in all likelihood going to happen anyway, I figured my suspicions may be better expressed somewhere else. I'd like to lynch Zazie tomorrow, if nothing changes with him.

Shanba: Why do you find GDude scummy? Is it your experience that lurkers are always scum?

Actually, come to think of it, I'll

Unvote ZazieR, Vote: Shanba

. I'd still like to lynch Zazie tomorrow, but I think it's time to put Shanba in a claim position. Yankee, your vote will put him at L-1, which is generally accepted as the time to claim, do I have that right?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #710 (isolation #57) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:45 pm

Hmm, very interesting...

Nacho, please explain why you voted Chibo before he had a chance to post.

Chibo, that does not let you off the hook for tunneling D2. Voting for someone and helping lynch them is not the same as tunneling.

I'm also kind of wary of EK, but not from the NK; rather, from some newly uncovered meta from Second String Muppets (it's recently completed if you wanna check it out). EK was scum there, but managed to escape suspicion all game long, and acted extremely townish. Doesn't make her suspicious in this game, but it does make me examine her a little closer, because she's one of the ones who is just scary good as scum. Also, looking at the NK history, including last Night, it seems we have expert scum on our hands.

In game setup news: It seems as though we have a town drunk. Not sure why SK was brought up, unless Nacho just softclaimed it o.O. There was only one kill last night.

And Socio, I know what you mean about your top suspect being NK'ed; he was my top suspect too. To me, the NK just doesn't lead me to anyone in particular...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #711 (isolation #58) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:46 pm

[/color]

*sigh*

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #712 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:48 pm

Nacho wrote:
Before, you even said that if Shanba was town, then we could lynch you... Why shouldn't we make you follow through on your promise?

Ooo, that's right, he did say that, didn't he?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #724 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:58 pm

Yankee, SK stands for Serial Killer. SKs are not aligned with town or scum. Each night, they choose one person to kill. They win if they are alive at the end of the game, and there's usually only 1 per game. I'm very interested Nacho brought it up, since there's no evidence of there being one this game...yet...

EK, regarding your 716 (the part that was addressed to me)...I've got no freakin' clue. The playstyles do strike me as similar, but it's so pro-town, I have a hard time voting you for it. I'm not placing a vote based wholly on meta. And to respond to the first line of 716: I think it means we have a town drunk.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #728 (isolation #61) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:42 am

Sorry, I kinda am still a noob, but I joined MS and Epic Mafia (a chat mafia site) about the same time, and drunk is more common there. Drunk is basically a town roleblocker, which really helps if you have a lot of scum PRs. Although, it could just be a post restriction, perhaps hinted to in the D1 lynch scene. But if it is a post restriction, why would Batt be looking for a replacement? And is he looking for a replacement? So many questions...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #732 (isolation #62) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:00 am

Well, like I said, it could be just his type of character, not role, but just character, as evidenced in the D1 lynch scene.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #735 (isolation #63) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:39 am

Not sure who to vote for now, as my top suspect, ZazieR, was NK'ed. Right now, if I were forced to vote, I would have to choose between Chibo and Nacho Libre. But those suspicions are based on tunneling; Chibo on Shanba D2, Nacho on Chibo toDay. But of course, regarding Chibo's tunneling, I also voted for Shanba; and regarding Nacho's tunneling, my assumption is based on the theory that Chibo is town. I have yet to see a valid case on Yankee. Taking the "easy" route is not always scummy.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #737 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:42 pm

True, but there's still the fact that you haven't expressed suspicion on anyone else yet. Who's your #2?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #740 (isolation #65) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:45 am

That's what I wanted from Nacho. I don't agree with his #2 or #3, but he gave a Top 3 scumlist.

Vote: ChiboSempai

He said we could lynch him...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #747 (isolation #66) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:18 pm

Well Yankee, the fact that he suspects Socio, an unpopular target of criticism, in my mind is a towntell. However, Socio says he gets good reads on people who attack him--if he can build a believable case on Nacho, I'll move my vote.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #753 (isolation #67) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:34 am

Yes, to make you seem less scummy. That's what we call WIFOM.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #755 (isolation #68) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:05 am

Or, it could have been a double target. Does anyone know if Yankee would retain his shot if he targeted the same person scum did?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #758 (isolation #69) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:15 am

Maybe GDude was the scum target, and was protected, and that's why he was passed out, not drunk, but injured? Or maybe an alcohol-related doctor variation? I'm kinda confused now, because there's so many possibilities...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #762 (isolation #70) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:27 am

Yes EK, that's the way drunk works, but I've never seen it come with a post restriction (of course, I've also never seen it in forum, so idk...). Agreed, we need a new yellow.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #763 (isolation #71) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:27 am

Last post was in green.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #765 (isolation #72) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:39 am

Socio, I agree with all your points, except that if Drunk is in this game, it TOTALLY is relevant, and DOES make sense. Unless you're scum trying to deflect attention away from perhaps a scum drunk...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #767 (isolation #73) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:45 am

Link to where that is written?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #770 (isolation #74) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:52 am

Oh, ok, so you just made it up?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #776 (isolation #75) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:25 am

How would you know it doesn't exist, Socio?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #778 (isolation #76) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:05 am

Fine then. Doctor variation? Jailer variation? Something went on with GDude last Night.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #781 (isolation #77) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:45 am

I'm just saying, there has to be some reason he didn't respond to the "roll call" (who DID put Chibo in charge? lol). I agree, now that I know there's no meta for it, that it's unlikely there's a drunk. However, there must be some reason. Thoughts?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #784 (isolation #78) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:08 pm

Well, I guess I learned something this game. One should always try to learn something from every game. Now, back to Chibo.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #794 (isolation #79) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:12 pm

I see nothing wrong with using normal yellow, Jahudo, but of course, I'm using the tiger skin, so do whichever you want, and if I can't read it, I'll just highlight it like I do with Socio.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #798 (isolation #80) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:28 am

imo, role claiming when you don't have to is always bad. If you happen to be vanilla (or, in this case, an exhausted one-time-use PR), it gives scum one less target, since they will try to kill the PRs.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #800 (isolation #81) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:41 pm

@Socio: Do you think I am going to be lynched toDay?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #805 (isolation #82) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 pm

With me, I presume, since your vote is on me?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #806 (isolation #83) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:37 pm

By the way, Socio, would you mind concisely stating your case against me?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #808 (isolation #84) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:53 pm

Just for clarification, I was not rolefishing. I was speculating. Notice I never told the drunk to claim; I just offered the possibility that there was one.

And what exactly about my posts made you think I was paranoid?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #810 (isolation #85) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:11 am

Chibo, now that I know it's not used at MS, I don't think there's one. It's basically a town RB.

@Chibo: From my posts, did it seem to you like I was paranoid scum or curious town?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #821 (isolation #86) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:56 pm

@Chibo: ...and then triple.

@Socio: I get this strange feeling I need to take ownership of this quote:

[quote=SocioPath]

You haven't said anything I need to defend myself with.
I defend myself when needed.
You say things that don't make sense.
I respond with 'el oh el, kay.'
Nothing you've said has any realm of logic behind it.
You didn't listen to a single word I said when you made that 'attack.'

[/quote]

@Pom(816): Yes, I did think it was. Maybe not quite as common as on Epic, but I certainly didn't think it was unheard of. I mean, seriously, no one here has heard of it?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #822 (isolation #87) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:57 pm

Fail quote tag, but you get what I was trying to say.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #824 (isolation #88) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:22 pm

I was just wondering because his vote was still on me, and I think it could best be used elsewhere.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #826 (isolation #89) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:36 pm

Well, according to you, am I the scummiest?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #829 (isolation #90) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:19 pm

So Pom, don't you agree that his vote could be better used elsewhere?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #832 (isolation #91) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:35 pm

So Yankee, now you're voting me for trying to convince people of my opinion? Real cases, please.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #846 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:52 am

/concur with the ladies, and with Chibo's 842. I was recently in a game where I simply matured as a Mafia player. The other players took it as a scumtell, and I was lynched in LyLo (or MyLo, or whatever), and that resulted in a scum win. My case on Chibo has nothing to do with his change in playstyle, and everything to do with his insane tunneling on Shanba yesterDay, even to the point that he said we could lynch him if Shanba flipped scum.

And he did.

Still waiting to hear a legit case from Socio and Yankee, btw.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #848 (isolation #93) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:06 pm

@Chibo, I think he just forgot to put EK as voting you, because I think she is, and I don't see her in the votecount...

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #850 (isolation #94) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:14 pm

^^^QFT. I thought we'd been over this, it's pretty scummy to withhold information from town.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #856 (isolation #95) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:52 pm

Dang, what is it with these yellow crayons?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #861 (isolation #96) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:38 pm

Well shoot.

Unvote

I think you should keep your targets a secret until you get an inno result, if you do.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #866 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:23 am

*sigh* As much as I hate to say it, Chibo, Yankee and EK are right. None of us knows if there's a doc in this setup, so you could very well be NK'ed toNight, and then if you're insane, the only alignment we'd know is one we have already lynched, and that does us no good. We need those results.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #869 (isolation #98) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:33 pm

Ok, so how does this work? Do we just wait for either (a)Chibo to get an inno result, or (b)For him to get killed? If he gets an inno result, we lynch the investigation target and we have at least 1 confirmed town. If he dies as insane before getting an inno, we don't gain any info on who to lynch, but still some confirmed townies that we can't lynch. If he's paranoid, he's pretty much useless, except to scum, because he misleads town. Do I have that correct?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #872 (isolation #99) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:32 pm

@Nacho's 871:

First paragraph is purely speculative. It's a good analysis if Chibo is lying scum; not so good if he's truthful town. And even if he is town, his usefulness still depends on whether he's insane or paranoid. Too many ifs for my taste.

Second paragraph just seems a little cynical. For now, I believe Chibo; his D2 actions strike me as newbcop: pushing way too hard, when there was no way to convince everyone to feel as strongly as he did without outing himself. Why is lynching our cop before anyone else safe?

Third paragraph, if I weren't so lazy, I would QFT. Jahudo has had 4 full days to analyze the game; he should be ready to post now. In fact, he should have been ready to post a long time ago...

Vote: Jahudo

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #874 (isolation #100) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:32 pm

I don't think a cop should be asked to sacrifice himself. A cop, as long as he's either regular or insane, is a very powerful asset to town. I'm not willing to give up that upper hand.

If he's lying, he

may

be able to get one more ML out of us, but after that he's dead. I don't think scum would do that. It's not worth it to them.

If he's telling the truth, and we lynch him, and he's insane, we lose any further results he might uncover.

If he's telling the truth, we lynch him, and he's paranoid, I don't guess we lose alot, since he's only as good as a VT.

If he's telling the truth, we don't lynch him, and he's paranoid, he could lead us in the wrong direction.

If he's telling the truth, we don't lynch him, and he's insane, he could lead us to find a couple scum players, even if he only gets the chance to have one inno result, because of buddying, weak bussing, etc.

Bottom line, I'm not in support of lynching our cop.

Kirbyoshi · Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:11 am

Yankee: I was going to say the same thing about Socio. Why does it garner a vote on EK (who is, btw, a she), but not one whit of suspicion against Socio?

Nacho: Lynch him if you want, but I would give him at least one more Night. As I've stated, I don't think he's lying.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #880 (isolation #102) » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:36 am

Not only that, Yank, but is posting more really a bad thing? If EK's town, then town gets more information and better analyses, because EK is really a smart player. If EK is scum, it gives her more chances to slip up. I fail to see the downside. Also, people SHOULD post more as the game progresses, to keep the post count up, because we have fewer players.

I would not have said this yesterDay, but Yankee and Socio could very well be scumbuddies. However, I'm not moving my vote until Jahudo posts something substantial.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #889 (isolation #103) » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:03 pm

Jahudo brings up some...interesting points. Hafta go reread I think to figure out if I agree with them or not.

Waiting for the rest of his analysis.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #906 (isolation #104) » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:30 pm

Socio, why are you just throwing your vote around? That, in addition to you making up a non-existent case on me, and just you acting totally odd all Day, make me wonder if I should...ya, I will.

Unvote Jahudo
Vote: SocioPath

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #919 (isolation #105) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:29 pm

Pom: And, why exactly is that relevant?

Socio: OK, so first EK was my buddy, and now Pom? Niiice.

Agreeing with Nacho's most recent post, what you did was uber scummy.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #921 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:55 pm

Socio, sorry, that was Yankee who said that EK was my scumbuddy. However, you two seemed to agree alot around that time; did you agree with him on that point when he said it?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #923 (isolation #107) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:59 pm

And Jahudo, to answer your question to me in Post 902, I simply meant that scum does a good job of not leaving a trail for anyone; the NK's have pretty much left everyone scratching their heads.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #924 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:00 pm

Nacho wrote:
which you still haven't explained that well...

Correction Nacho, not at all.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #926 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:20 pm

Socio wrote:
Nacho wrote:
Aww... what a cute defense. If you were V/LA, then why did you even bother to post?
It was Halloween. My color is orange.

No reason at all. If you're V/LA, you're V/LA. If you're not, you're not. Don't post when you are V/LA, it makes us think you're back, and will therefore post.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #929 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:37 pm

If Chibo is scum, why would Nacho be his buddy? I kinda see what Socio was talking about now with you not reading the thread.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #931 (isolation #111) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:03 pm

So why would Nacho try so hard to bus Chibo?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #938 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:57 am

Ok, so since we're so close to deadline, I took the liberty of making my own votecount. Like the mod, I'm by no means perfect, but unlike the mod, I can't edit my posts, but my votecount isn't official, so this is what I think the votes are.

Pomegranate(3): SocioPath, Yankee, Jahudo
ChiboSempai(2): elvis_knits, Pomegranate
SocioPath(2): Nachomamma8, Kirbyoshi

Does this look accurate?

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #940 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:12 am

Oh yeah, and my top 3 suspects.

Socio
Chibo (just realized he's not voting; why not?)
Pom/Yankee (but both of these mostly come from others' cases)

Like Jahudo said, the distance between 1 and 2 is pretty large, but not insurmountable.

Kirbyoshi · Post Post #991 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:18 am

Sorry guys, alot to read in all my games.

Vote: Deadline Extension

Not liking Chibo saying we don't need a full 3 days. Town needs all the Day time we can get, imo. And HE'S STILL NOT VOTING!!!

I guess being protected N1 isn't confirmation since Manzcar was the one who was targeted...sigh.

With the new info, I think Chibo's claim is the easiest one to fake, but I could see Pom and Yankee fake theirs as well. No claimed PR is cleared yet, imo.

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:57 am

I'm cool with Nacho going first, not that it hasn't already been decided

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:19 pm

I'm vanilla also.

EK, go.

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:23 am

So, let me get this straight: there COULD be a scum in the neighbor pair, but there doesn't HAVE to be, correct?

Jahudo is the last one to claim.

If Socio has been as townie as EK has said he is in the neighbor chat, I'm thinking a Pom/Yankee scumteam. Thoughts?

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:40 am

@EK: Socio said he'd like to hear Nacho's thoughts on the subject. Nacho's thoughts were obv that he should claim first, since he did.

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:49 am

@EK: Imo, it makes the most sense that, if two of them would be lying, it would be Pom and Yankee, based off the NK of Zazie.

Your claim doesn't really change my opinion on Chibo, since I usually try to not just assume the game is balanced. Do you think 2nd-string Muppets was balanced, with a paranoid cop and a town role that is generally scum-aligned?

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:04 am

Unvote

I've gotta think for awhile. There's alot of claimed PRs.

Socio: Claimed Neighbor (assumedly) with EK; unsure of alignment.
Pom: Claimed Doc, but could very well have lied with her and Yankee conspiring to confirm each other with their claims. However, she's the only pro-town claim with no strings attached, so I think she's town.
Me: Claimed Vanilla. Take it however you will.
Yankee: Claimed 1-shot Vig, apparently shot Zazie last Night, but could be lying with Pom, could also have been double target, in which case Yankee could be telling the truth, and Pom could still be lying, but as stated above, I don't think that's the case.
Chibo: Claimed either Paranoid or Insane Cop, "guilty" result on Nacho
Jahudo: Claimed Vanilla; I think he's been one of the most pro-town players since he replaced in.
Nacho: Claimed Vanilla. I suppose he could be scum with Chibo, but they were bussing each other pretty hard not too long ago.
EK: Claimed Neighbor with Socio. Unsure of alignment.

My top 3 are as follows:
Nacho
Chibo
Yankee

Since we're so close to deadline, and it's useless for me to not vote, I'll

Vote: Nachmamma8

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 pm

I wouldn't call it

considerable

reason. As has been stated, it's just as likely that Chibo is lying. Since it's generally agreed he's not paranoid, if we lynch you, we'll probably know whether he's lying or not.

Kirbyoshi · Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:28 am

@EK: He said he doesn't think Nacho is scum

because of it

. That could be taken two ways. I take it to mean "it doesn't make him any scummier" rather than "it makes him less scummy". In other words, he's still suspicious of Nacho, but the NL vote doesn't change it one way or the other.

Kirbyoshi · Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:37 am

Ah yes; didn't see that. Thanks.

Kirbyoshi · Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:16 am

-_- Pom.....What the fish did you just do?

Kirbyoshi · Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:14 pm

I don't think that Jahudo is scum, since I haven't seen the tells, and I now believe Pom's claim, since hers and Yankee's were kind of linked; also, her not being NK'ed, like Jahudo said, is probably just scum trying to WIFOM us into killing her.

Right now, Chibo is looking like the best option. If I were scum, I would have killed the claimed cop last Night; instead he lives through the Night. Why? Could be more attempts at forced WIFOM, but I don't think scum would do that to 2 players.

Vote: ChiboSempai

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:58 am

Ok, so, EK, would you happen to know, if, say, you and Socio are a scum/town pair, whether the game would end if we lynch the town half of the pair? Or did that make sense?

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:34 am

Yes, EK, that's what I meant. I was recently NK'ed in a Lover game in Little Italy. There was a scum-town Lover pair, we lynched the town lover, and the scum lover committed suicide at the beginning of the next Day. I don't know if Batt would do it that way or not; should we chance it?

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:58 pm

Socio wrote:
And every pro-town role is limited.

Except "doc". Don't forget that.

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:09 am

I think good scumhunting has to couple logic with gut. Is lynching Jahudo the logical thing to do toDay? Perhaps. But my gut tells me he's town. I think if there's two scum, one lies in Chibo/Pom and the other lies in Socio/EK. However, and this could be a long shot, but could it be that there IS only one "killer," but it's not a single scum? Rather, it would be an SK. The only real difference would be in the killing patterns. That may explain why Pom wasn't killed last Night: SKs want/need doc protection from scum as well, provided there is actual scum. Has anyone seen a game like the one I'm proposing? If not, I'll assume the idea dead in the water.

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:50 am

Jahudo wrote:
An SK and town lover combo sounds almost too good for the SK. If he can't get NK'ed except for a single shot Vig, then all he has to do is claim lover and that will probably save him from a lynch.

I'm not suggesting an SK/Town pair. Like you said, I don't think that's likely. However, Pom could have easily fakeclaimed doc if she were quick on her feet about it. Also, Chibo's role could actually be insane, but the SK could return innocent (or, in this case, guilty), basically making him paranoid.

Unvote Chibo, Vote: Pomegranate

Combined with what I said above, I don't think scum/"killer(s)" would try to WIFOM us into lynching her; they'd (or he'd/she'd) just save us the trouble and NK her.

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:09 pm

lol ya she would have, but as stated, it certainly could have been a double target, or she just decided to not kill anyone. Also, looking back, how sure did she seem that she successfully protected you? Too sure would be +scum points, wouldn't it?

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:19 pm

EK wrote:
I think she suspected that I killed zazie...

What makes you think that?

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:19 pm

Let's just pretend 1092 was in green.

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:51 am

Chibo wrote:
I honestly don't know where people are getting this magical theory of a SK all of a sudden.

That'd be originally from me, then confirmed as a possibility by EK. Why do you think it's so ridiculous?

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:29 am

How so, Socio? (hehe...I like rhyming)

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:42 am

Oops, sorry. Credit where credit is due. *pats Socio on the back*

Kirbyoshi · Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Actually, my point in suggesting that there's only an SK and no scum, is that the SK wouldn't know there was no scum; he(she) would either think we had a doc, or else scum was just dumb and never killed. And whereas SK wants everybody to die, scum's first priority would be killing the towniest players so they don't get caught. Simply a theory.

Kirbyoshi · Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:14 am

QFT to Chibo, and I also agree with 1118, but like Chibo said, not much to comment on.

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:15 am

All my games seem to be stalling. Socio does need to answer the question. Why did you say you were going to get yourselves lynched, just because EK wanted to lynch a doc that survived the Night?

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:31 pm

Hm. Well, Pom's actually making sense now. Making sense is not a towntell, but she brings up good points against Socio. His play D2 was also...strange, to say the least, when compared to his play in Days 1 and 3 (so far). I hate that I'm always the one to bring up role possibilities, but could this be a cultist setup? Simple speculation that I think fits with Socio's playstyle change from D1 to D2, and with him and EK claiming Lovers, if EK is also a cultist. Something to think about...

Kirbyoshi · Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:03 pm

Thanks Jahudo, didn't take that into account. Still happy with my vote. Nothing much else to say.

Kirbyoshi · Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:30 pm

This game was FUUUUUNNNNN. Clever setup, Batt, and I think it was balanced enough, with the Paranoid Cop and the Lovers, the 1-Shot Vig being used on a town player, and the Jester basically giving scum a free NK, since SOG played a good Jester. I actually just thought of something else: how sure were we of Pom's "Doc" efficacy? I mean, couldn't she conceivably have been an imperfect Doc, which would have fit with all the other roles? Not that it matters now, of course.

P.S.: I'm glad my theory was right; her official role was SK