Mini 862 ~ Mafia of Order (Game Over!)

[saberwolf]

This is Saberwolf replacing for a cold starry night

[saberwolf]

Ok, so I've caught up, and I shall do the following:

unvote:Cobalt

FoS:everyone who wants cobalt lynched day 1

Vote:Sensfan

Cobalt has made a very elaborate claim, one that is very hard to manufacture ahead of time, and requires a lot of cooperation night 0, which I doubt would happen if he was scum. A lot of what he says fits with the flavour, and I personally would like to see him prove his claim.

Sensfan is playing very moronically, and to be honest that's not the sensfan I know. I haven't played any games with Sens that I can recall, but I personally know him [he lives down the hall from me], and we discuss mafia and stuff, and I know he's smarter than this. My only issue with my vote would be the question of why would he set himself up in a sacrifice to take out a vital player? I mean there should be better roles out there like cop, and if scum sacrifices themselves for the greater evil, all it takes is one lucky investigation to win the game. However, in the end I have to place my vote here for a couple of reasons:

1.) He is obv not bothering to read the rules, and is playing the ignorant card. Several times Cobalt has brought up that according to rules such and such is possible or is not possible. Sensfan has spent his entire time arguing this.

2.)

Vote Cobalt

Let's get a serious wagon going as soon as possible to ensure that we don't waste any posts. My guess is that the scum in this game are going to be interested in pulling people into arguments that require a lot of posting, especially if anyone becomes a major threat to them.

This quote applies with Sensfan. He's been wasting posts and causing others to waste their posts over very stupid arguments.

btw the above quote is why i dont think VP and Sens are scumbuddies, it's too moronic of a lynch setup.

I have a theory which I will withhold for now, but I have one thing I'd like to know...

Sensfan, post count claim please.

[saberwolf]

First of all, I don't give a rat's ass about the flavour of this game.

Second of all, I don't know who the fuck Cloud is.

Third of all, finish your Massaih (or wtf you claimed) claim.
Fourth of all, make your other full claim.
Fifth of all, explain why Town got a fake claim.
Sixth of all, I've read that exchange with even the benefit of hindsight, I still see it as claiming 3rd-party, especially with all the insistance that we should leave whoever the 3rd-party is alive.

LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH.

another reason why I voted you in the bold, as everyone should know who the fuck the great and mighty cloud is

Wasn't he the archetype for all emo protagonists? The one that players started to hate because he reminded them of themselves? ~Vi

[saberwolf]

I know you don't plan on it, which is why I'm trying to force you to.

also, you are correct of me to a point, but you're also trying to fix it to make it look like my posts will never have value.

You also have no idea how many times *facepalm* happened after reading one of your posts.

I do not assume you are sacrificing yourself, it's a scenario possibility thats affecting my judgement on my vote, but otherwise I feel its a good vote.

I cannot say much on the BW of me, as I can understand my persons reasons for not wanting to post much. As to why when he did post it was crap, i have no idea. As to why people are voting for me, it seems like a policy lynch. I hope to change that by posting more relevent info, just please don't expect me to pull a mastin or AndyTony, as I'm more of the midsize poster.

[saberwolf]

Goat, I have a weak scum read on Starry. And Saber's push on Sens, with deadline staring right at us, doesn't help him any.

Saber, I don't know who cloud is either.

Sotty, starting new wagons late in a day is usually a bad idea/scum tactic.

there is still four days in this day, plenty of time to get things in order and still do lots of scumhunting.

Also, cloud is probably the figurehead of Final Fantasy, mainly known for FF7.

I realise that starting a new BW isn't too helpful, but I had to let you guys know my thoughts on the issue, and see who agreed with me on certain points. I rather not just jump on the largest BW at first, just because it might be the easiest thing to do. I'll take some more time to observe and deliberate my course of action.

[saberwolf]

ok, well in that case:

unvote; vote: DDD

1. VP seems kinda scummy with his eagerness and wanting to rush everyone, but when he's willing to place himself in the lynch spotlight, it gives me a town feel

2. Cobalt has sold me with his claim

3. I know I am town

4. Sensfan is apparantly not on the list for today

5. That leaves DDD

[saberwolf]

Every person that is on my BW.

Without refering to ACSN at all, please tell me why I am scummy, as well as scummier than the rest of the people here.

[saberwolf]

I don't want ACSN's actions completely ignored, it's just that since I replaced, a couple other people have called me scummy and hopped on my BW. I would like to know what makes ME scummy, to justify why they went on my BW, otherwise I feel a little suspicious about the last couple of people to join my BW.

[saberwolf]

Claim: I am Laura, the Carefree Saint, a Townie Cleric [Vanilla]

Post restriction: 50 posts, and almost already used up half >.>

Voice of Yune: I sense at least two power roles in this set-up

I win when all mafia are dead

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: sens

for being a dick and a dumbass and i refuse to waste posts on him

unvote; vote: DDD

Bold tags moved about to fix this post for the greater reading of the rules.
Incidentally, you just used a post. ~Vi

[saberwolf]

Pisses me off that almost every game (90%) i get lynched day 1. 100% of the time i flip town. This time will be no different.

I claimed, nobody disputed my claim. DDD refused to claim and has been pretty scummy about it. I say he should be the one lynched.

[saberwolf]

um, I was given an extra seven posts too...

and I gotta say

FoS: KMD, sensfan

I hate how they votehop with no reasons attached to their votes at all. Just because we need to be faster about it doesnt mean you can deliberately act scummy with your voting. It doesn't help town at all.

[saberwolf]

unvote;vote:sensfan

unvote;vote:sensfan

unvote;vote:sensfan

[saberwolf]

I did not mean to answer for Cobalt, I was merely commenting on what I saw happening.

I felt that with how close we were to deadline and DDD's refusal to claim made me think that he might have been scum, and that is why I switched my vote.

Saberwolf, was that voting really necessary to do in one post?

is it really necessary for sensfan to unvote just to revote the same person?

Any vote I do like that is just mocking him. If he continues to do that I plan on doing the exact same thing. I don't plan on getting sucked into posting in arguments, as I only have 57 posts total and already used 20. I don't like how sensfan never posts anything of actual content, and IMO votes in a very scummy matter. [mind you so does KMD, but he's less arrogant about it]

I think that because SF wont disclose his number of posts, that he's got a big number, and is prob scum. If it was small he'd have no problem saying it, as it'd keep him alive most likely.

[saberwolf]

unvote;vote:LL

[saberwolf]

To those complaining saying I should post more or asking why the switch to LL:

I only have 57 posts, I have already nearly used up half of them. My posting will be limited. I will vote how I please, and if Sens can get away with such bullshit voting with only getting questioned by me, then I'm taking a page out of his book and just voting with no reasons to save posts. MY sens BW is getting nowhere so I no longer have a reason to pursue it when it has no momentum.

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: fuzzylightning

[saberwolf]

lol I was saying to myself wtf?

[saberwolf]

I'm here and have already claimed everything. I also recieved another 7 posts to my post cap.

[saberwolf]

I'm sorry, but even though I would really love to lynch sensfan and have been pushing for it, I am slightly alarmed with how quick he's been BW with no other real scumhunting going on.

Fuzzy's yune has me thinking:

PRs are independant of alignment

it's a great claim for mafia, cause it plants seeds of mistrust, and so far we have yet to see a good or bad role come out of alignment.

I say lynch fuzzy, and see what he flips. If he flips scum we can all safely mass claim and now have to worry about PR alignments.

discuss

[saberwolf]

then again if anybody who hasnt revealed their voice of yune feels that it'd help town to reveal it now, feel free to share.

[saberwolf]

It isn't the sens lynch i have a problem with. It's the reasoning behind the lynch that bothers me. Only one person bothers to explain their actions behind the BW, and the rest look alarmingly opportunistic.

I'm busy looking at past vote histories right now, but I'm noticing just recently we're seeing more people just jumping on BWs and taking sides rather than take a side and discuss an issue.

If you provide GOOD reasons to vote Sens AS WELL AS show why other people do not make a good enough lynch, then I shall accept it and happily join along for the BW. Until then I am weary that scum is trying to use my known want of Sens gone to speed another mislynch.

[saberwolf]

So, here's the scumlist I can generate with this VC analysis (Scummiest on top of all lists, towniest at bottom of all lists):
Scum:
Saber- Poor reasoning to wagon-hop on DDD. No reason to vote Fuzzy over Cobalt.
VP-Started a DDD wagon, but voted late on it. Null Cobalt vote.

Possible Scum:
DT-Very early Saber vote and newly found connection to Saber. Voted alone on Day 2.

Neutral:
Fuzzy- Null DDD vote. Voted Cobalt just as an option over Locke.
Sens- Saber vote could go either way as could Cobalt vote.

Town:
Locke-Good Saber vote. Good Cobalt vote.
Goat- Good DDD and Fuzzy votes.
Kmd- Duh.

I'm sorry, but I think your analysis sucks balls, esp as it focuses mainly on me being scum for the rest of your analysis to fall into place. If you vote me and I flip town, you're entire analysis is shot, and you contributed nothing again.

[saberwolf]

mod: how much longer does sens have until you modkill him?

Thou shalt read the rules, and be glad ~Vi

this would be good to know cause if it was in say 12-24 hours, then I would not waste my vote on him and vote for somebody else and lynch them.

[saberwolf]

I've seriously ignored this game today.

Give me until tonight, and I'll be back with useful stuff.

there we go, now I feel happy doing this:

vote: sensfan

[saberwolf]

to be clear, I wanted to know how soon it was until you got modkilled, because if you were to be killed soon, I wasn't going to waste a vote on you if you were going to die anyways. Now that it's clear you won't be modkilled, I can resume placing my vote on you again.

I have already claimed everything in full, while you skirt around the issue. Your methods of playing this game have been no better if not worse than mine, especially when I fashioned my game after you.

personally i feel its between you, DTMaster, and KMD, and I also have a slight nagging feeling VP might be scum, but he's at least playing a pro-town role.

[saberwolf]

Goat, I would also appreciate if you'd help me find scum here. I am almost certain you are town now and feel I can trust you. Clearly we are not going to get action from others, so lets do the heavy lifting and get this right.

IF you give me a nudge in the right direction, ask me some questions and such I can provide input and insight. Otherwise I'll try to contribute a little more to the game as best as I can, but we don't have a lot to work from IMO.

[saberwolf]

@DTMaster: I play a lot of FB mafia and we have certain guidelines we follow as town when we know somebody is going to time out of the game that's potentially town or scum. I've never had to deal with a modkill before on this site, and did not know how it worked. I figured that Sens would die as well as our chosen lynch, which in that case I rather not waste my vote on Sens and put it on someone just as worthy.

@KMD: Yes, we have some info by day 3, but due to the nature of the game setup, we don't have nearly as much as we'd normally would. My concern of conserving posts has kept me back a little I admit, but I guess now would be a good time to come out and start doing some good.

@everyone: Sens is my current vote choice, simply for the reason he has had very scummy looking votes, despite the claim that it's "to save posts". He has done nothing to scumhunt and all he ever inputs is lynchlynchlynch. I've wanted him gone for some time now and don't mind voting for him now. I shall now look at the rest of you in ISO and w.e to determine who else is worthy of my focus.

[saberwolf]

P.S to DTMaster: I simply don't have as big of an interest in this game compared to day night mafia. In that one it was interesting flavour and I was a day cop. This one I'm a simple VT and I'm kinda restricted in my posting, so this game has been on the bottom of my priorities.

[saberwolf]

Look guys, somebody has to go. It's either going to be LL, sens or myself. We don't have time to really get anything else going, so you better lynch somebody quick, even if it's me. On the con side you'll be losing a town member but on the pro side I have no special abilities or many posts to use anyways, so I'm willing to put myself up for lynching just to make sure we secure a lynch, otherwise I feel Sensfan should go out of the three of us.

[saberwolf]

APPEAL TO EMOTION.
BEEP BEEP BEEP.
APPEAL TO EMOTION.

suck eggs, there's no AtE here. I'm fine with going for the good of the town...it's not like I was being useful anyways. I happen to be tied with you for the lynch with LL always a possibility. I happen to think you are scummier than LL so my vote stays.

[saberwolf]

more like stating the concequences of what would happen should I get lynched, based from my POV. It isn't exactly the most pro-town to get self-lynched if you're a townie, but I have to admit due to my limited post count as well as my limited interest in this game, I would not be a good candidate for the endgame, and there are others more deserving like VP and goat. Sens you are welcome to make your case against me. Mine against you would be moronic posting in the form of lynchlynchlynch and never contributing any good form of scumhunting. You have been wrong about every single lynch. You never explain any of your votes unless under extreme pressure, and you are very insistant on not claiming anything about yourself. To be fair looking at LL, he likes to vote hop a lot, going from me to kmd to cobalt, the kicker being he really did not think cobalt was scum, and claimed that he opposed the lynch, and yet was part of the BW overall. Use this as you may.

[saberwolf]

Jeez, you guys intentionally making this more difficult than it needs to be?

Sens, it's time to state your post cap. It's important to an idea I am working on. At this point there is nothing the scum can do to manipulate this, so cough it up.

Furthermore, stop with your little shouting matches and put up this content you promised. You've skated by long enough with the 'I'm too good to answer' BS and it's ringing fake this time around anyhow (as opposed to Yaw's game).

I want your thoughts on every player and the scum list I posted.

saber--don't waste posts having stupid arguments. I want your thoughts on every player and the scum list I posted.

ok, just give me some time to get my thoughts together.

[saberwolf]

KMD

hard to say a lot, after his posts all vanished, but he seems kinda off to me. He gives the appearance of scumhunting, but he always seems to be nitpicking a little too much, as scum would to try and find anything to peg down to cause a mislynch. Just looking at what posts I can look at he accuses me of being scumbuddies with sensfan, then he accuses me of having connections with DTMaster, then he decides to drag fuzzy into it, and 90% of it all had a connection with me in some way. HE had other small accusations as well, but never held onto one idea for long.

Sensfan

already explained, not gonna do it again.

Saberwolf

I'm town, nuff said

Goat

Appears the most pro-town of all of us imo. Does a good job of staying active and scumhunts well without going overboard or being a huge leader in the game. i wouldd trust him in the endgame.

VP

Similar to goat, but I think it's due to the fact you've been the supertown leader the whole game that I feel a bit uneasy around you, as you could very well be scum leading the town, and if you are I tip my hat to you for a well played game thus far. However, your committedness plus some of your post styles have me thinking that you are indeed town. If I had to pick your scumbuddy I would have to say fuzzy, for the possibility of chainsaw defence on fuzzys part.

fuzzy

Can't say I have much on fuzzy, but I tend to lean town only because of his ability claim. Seems to attack sens for moronic posting as well as tunneling, and he also did not like the cobalt lynch.

LL

My biggest thing on him is the fact he vote hops a lot and does things against what he said otherwise. I explained all of this in an earlier post. I'm a sucker for claims, so his claim was doing it fine for me, but then again his first power claim was pointless and useless and he also hasn't posted secondary results so I'm getting a little suspicious.

DTMaster

I'm going to have to say he feels town based on his post style. I feel very familiar with town-DTMaster and his way of posting suggests that he is town. Is very good offering insight on everybody as well as asking questions. Is active enough for me.

in order of town to scum IMO

Saberwolf
Goat
VP
DTMaster
Fuzzy
KMD
LL
Sens

[saberwolf]

btw, in case we all forgot, apparently we still have a third-party role out there, according to somebody (i forget who) I can't say I have seen much third party activity, but that's just me...

[saberwolf]

if I see another vote or two go on LL, I'll join it.

[saberwolf]

I personally would like to hear from LL

for someone who claimed to have cop-like abilities, I'm amazed that he is still alive.

I haven't heard any other results from him either

therefore I must:

vote: LL

[saberwolf]

Still pretty sure Saber is scum.

Saber, why are you voting so soon in LYLO?

I think the scum team is Saber/VP/DT. Someone tell me why I'm right or wrong.

1. My vote alone means nothing. It would require the entire scumteam to quicklynch, which would be hard to orchestrate, assuming I am not scum and that there are in fact 3 scum.

2. How do you know it's 3 scum and not 2 scum?

3. I know your scumteam theory is wrong, because I know I'm town. Obv that isn't good enough by itself, but dispite my uneasiness about VP, he is being rather pro-town. DTMaster I could see being scum, as he has been rather lurkish.

4. If I had to pick who I thought was the scumteam, based on new info and rereads, it'd have to be LL/DTMaster and if there's a third, I'm torn between fuzzy and KMD, can't really decide, but I'd lean towards KMD, only because of fuzzy's claim.

[saberwolf]

I find it suspicious that:

the one with no max cap is still alive
the one who basically is our claimed cop is still alive

should we have everyone claim again, just to be safe?

[saberwolf]

unvote

[saberwolf]

it should be noted that lynching LL might be a good move for you VP, as a bussing of that kind would not put you in the hotseat anytime soon, just a thought...but I do agree that KMD and LL are much scummier and hence more likely to be scum. Just letting you know I'm not dropping the idea of you bussing LL knowing we're gonna lynch him today.

[saberwolf]

I would like to mention that LL claimed to have used his first ability on me night 1, to verify that I did indeed start off with 50 posts.

I have nothing else to add yet though, as I am still searching through the posts for anything that may be of help.

[saberwolf]

No, I just wanted to see everybody reclaim.

1. I wanted to see if anybody's stories differed from last time

2. I was lazy and didn't want to look them up for myself

Although your way is just as valid, but in a theme setup, CC situations rarely happen, unless you really know the theme.

[saberwolf]

Saber, can you weigh in while you are online please?

hi

yeah, after looking over the posts you put up, I tend to agree as it seems sound, but I can't help but feel as if I'm being presuaded to ignore my previous intentions to vote for LL and vote for fuzzy, as if LL is scum and a redirection is needed to save him.

When it comes down to it though, I can't really argue against logic, so I will agree with a fuzzy lynch.

Would like to hear the other's views before I place my vote.

[saberwolf]

Could you guys answer a question:

why was it when i brought this up with sensfan, it was unimportant...but now that KMD mentioned it, well, now it's just the most important thing ever?

I might not be on later, so I'll just have to vote:

vote:fuzzy

although I really feel LL is one of our scum, there is a good chance I suppose fuzzy is the other.

[saberwolf]

The main problem I have is that of which VP brought up, that the odds of there being so many PRs is slim. Also, your results are useless in a sense, cause it'd be so easy to fake your abilities as scum. Simply pick a townie for the post count, as they have no reason to lie, then pick either your scumbuddy or another townie for the other two. Either way you appear credible or else attempt to clear a scumbuddy.

Assuming you are telling the truth, that leaves out you, VP and Goat [them two for being pro-town]. KMD is iffy, but the recent posts make sense from a logic POV and most scum wouldn't do it. That leaves fuzzy and DTMaster, so I guess fuzzy will do for now.

[saberwolf]

if you read my previous posts, i have always been skeptical of the fact that there were 3 scum to begin with. Also, if you look at one of the voices of yune, the one where there are three fakeclaims in the whole game, we had one townie with a fakeclaim, which leaves one of the scum if there were to be three without a fakeclaim to fall back on. That is why I believe there to only be two scum. Hope that helps.

[saberwolf]

bah, i should of known to stick with my gut. The entire game I kept saying those three were on my scum list, especially LL. I kept thinking I was being persuaded from lynches that I was sure were scum, but then I reasoned that others were putting a lot more effort into the game than I was, and just to simply trust them, as I was not familiar with the flavour. I kinda figured from the start though that we were gonna lose, but I had expected to be on of the days lynches.

Anyways GG.