Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[camn]

hi, everyone!

I haven't read

any

of this game yet... but i though I would say hello.
I will get caught up in the next day or two.

I am going to bed right soon, but I am listening to Portishead.. (my fave!) I don't know which recore.. but it is the song "Give me a Reason to love you". I love that song. brightly, brightly, and with beauty.

Um..

UNVOTE

.
Until I read

Am I the only girl in this game? I don't know some of you, but I hope that I don’t have to be the lone woman around this place.

Anyway.. I will tell you who all the scum are in a couple days.

[camn]

OK..
Here are my initial notes.
They are pretty raw, but I wanted to share.

Netopalis

- I like the anti-RVS quetions.. but I don't like his heat on Jack. Smells like rolefishing. A vote I could understand.. but an inquisition?

prob-scum

jasonT1981

- scummy for the same reasons as Neto. If Jack is crumbing a PR, pushing so hard for info is scummeriffic.
124- are you TRYING not to understand?

prob-scum

Yosarian2

- Broken keyboard?

Null

read. Like I always say, If yos were scum, how could someone like me ever catch him?

pman5595

- you are barely in this game. Your idea to not explain votes is silly. And your semantical argument with pwnman was silly, too. lurky. must stop that.

DarkLightA

- post 110 is incredibly bad. 200 is even worse.

scum

.

Green Crayons

- Good questions, good answers.

prob-town

Dry-fit

- you also are hardly here.

Lurkerscumdie

Darok

- Good input once he started posting.. but wtf on 205? Meh..

prob-town.

Fishythefish

- I agree with post 88 100%. Gets more town by the post.

Obv-town

Jack

- Could be Uber-Bussing with Neto? I got beat this way recently.

brilliant scum

or

inept town

Bub Bidderskins

- I see he found it right to pile on in the Neto vs. Jack fiasco.
148 - serial lynching Fishy? i dont think so.

slightly scum

pwnman

- newbie tool.

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So , in summary..
the scum are:

DarkLightA
Netopolis
and Jack or Bud.

I will pile on with Jason, whilst awaiting Bud's response.

Vote: DarklightA

[camn]

A) no, you were too aggressive. If it had been ME, and I had been breadcrumbing, I would have been forced to Daykill you.
You are scum, and you were rolefishing.

Jason only gets a prob, cuz how dumb would it be for TWO scum to pull the same obvious stunt? REAL DUMB.
Is it out of the question? nope.

And seriously... Recently I saw the most redic Day 1 dual-bus... it might have actually been you doing it? I forget.

>goes to check<

IT WAS!!!!

It was you and Ellibereth.
You came out of the gate attacking each other for crap-cases.

I totally bought the whole thing, and Elli went on to win.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtop ... 1c7e3e739b

You are scum, and so is Jack.

Scumteam = found.

[camn]

I'm not "barely in" this game. I just don't post anything unnecessary. As long as I'm reading and observing, it shouldn't matter that I don't post as often as some.

Oh, it matters.

That strategy works if only YOUR survival is important... but if you want a TOWN win, then we need to know about you. We need info.

Info = pro-town.

SO pick it up. I cannot suffer a lurker in endgame.

[camn]

I guess I will try, but content for the sole point of content seems unhelpful.

Good. Though you should understand.. the reason is transparency. We need to see through your posts into your role PM.

camn, where did I attack Netopolis?

Who ever said you did?

[camn]

Are you an Ellibereth alt?

Or are you intentionally missing the point that that post is all about Netopolis's meta?
The fact that you didn't play it exactly like Elli does not lessen your scumminess.

Your spat with Neto did not go unnoticed. The fact that you only bristled and hinted at Neto being scum does not make your distancing any more palatable.

Question: DO you think Neto is scum, or town?

[camn]

I don't see how you switched from a duel-bussing theory to a "one scum busses and the other distances slightly theory" without a hitch in your stride.

You are very clever with your misreps, Jack.
I think I like you.
Can you show me where this happened? Or do I just get another emoticon?


Actually, I don't care.
Your chainsaw defense of Netopolis is noted.

[camn]

Camn: I have seen this shit before... where was it.... hmm...
Jack: when did I attack Netopolis??
Camn: que?.
Jack: I am not attacking Netopolis. He is town, see! I am not doing what Elli did in that game, really!!
Camn: you guys are both scum.
Jack: But I can make ironic smiley faces!!


Why don't you try scumhunting, my friend?
I would be very interested in your thoughts on other players.. rather than your thoughts on other player's thoughts on you.
You are making a science of defending yourself without saying anything about anyone else.
Less info after your flip, I guess.

[camn]

I dont read games, Sry.

Any opinions on any players yet?
It is nice you can comment on Ellibereth in a different game... care to comment on anyone here?

[camn]

I agree, Jason. I am not interested in a meta-war. Jack isn't reacting as scummily as I would have predicted anyway. And I would have though Neto was PROUD of that game.. strange.

I

am

interested in improving the activity level in people besides me and Jack, though. Any ideas?

[camn]

I am glad you finally have some opinions!

[camn]

Read him. He very carefully has been avoiding commenting on anyone in this game.

[camn]

So he did. What do you think his thoughts on YOU are?

[camn]

I disagree totally.
I like it when people make their positions known, and I find it scummy when they don't.

I don't like to have to dig through the game to see that some one said 'slight town-tell' somewhere along the line. I like to observe the progression of peoples opinions.. so as to better tell the truth from a lie.

Plus, I think you agree. I think you know that laying out your thoughts is better us all... both now and later in the game.

[camn]

Vote: Bub Bidderskins

I'm not answering your question for a very obvious reason.

I'd like to know the obvious reason. Is it what Jack said?

[camn]

After rereading the thread, Camn is still my top suspect. After his initial Jack vote, all of his posts were very short and were just defending himself. No follow-up on his vote, no opinions on anything, no nothing.

vote: Camn

.

Finals week, things get short.
What is your case? I would love to defend myself.

c

[camn]

PS.. I agree with Yos. Those things he did do not scum make.

[camn]

Oh, and sorry for the triple post.. but did I really vote for Jack, Dry-Fit?

I tried to crack some scum out of him.. but frankly, he responded very townie, and my suspicion level fell substantially.
But if you say I voted for him... ?

[camn]

That is what Yos does as town.
I doubt that Yos-scum would have gone all obv-town on GC, and then killed him.
If he was going to waste time buddying up to a townie... he would have kept him alive.

[camn]

VOTE: DarkLightA

Still rings my scumdar, and that latest post doesn't help at all.

[camn]

Can you unkill me please, Jack?

I dont see what about

this

post makes him look more town.

[camn]

Sorry Im "too quiet"

Finals are over.
I am drinking very heavily right now.
I will catch up before I leave for vacation!!

c

[camn]

Hello, everyone!

Firstly, I am on vacation in the west indies. there is internets here.. but I am mostly on the beach.. so don't expect much of me till i return!

Secondly, I obv support massclaim in lylo. popcorn is fine.

thirdly, I, too see Yos's targets very clearly. Though I am not totally sure why Darox wants to play hide-the-salami.

fourthly.. scumteam = Jason, dryfit and..... I cant really see an obv third?

[camn]

Hihihi!

I just got home... I had a wonderful trip.

CLAIM: vanilla justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

I crumbed the name, but the rest was smokescreen, trying to draw the NK.

Dry-fit next?

@Jason... give Darox some slack here. He obv has some info, and needs not be rushed.

[camn]

Fishy is OBV-town.
Jack is semi-confirmed.
Netopolis is softclaiming?
and
Darox is getting scummier by the post.

[camn]

ok then.

Jason - Antonin Scalia, vanilla
Pman - Allen J Counard, veto holder
Camn - Ruth Bader Ginsburg, vanilla
Dry-fit - Chief John G. Roberts, vanilla
Darox - Simon Jackson, vanilla
Fishy
Netopalis
Jack

Google says Allen Counard is a lawyer, one in michigan even.... is Simon Jackson one too?

[camn]

in summary

Jason - Antonin Scalia, vanilla
Pman - Allen J Counard, veto holder
Camn - Ruth Bader Ginsburg, vanilla
Dry-fit - Chief John G. Roberts, vanilla
Darox - Simon Jackson, vanilla
Fishy - David A McCreedy, vanilla
Netopalis - John Paul Stevens, vanilla
Jack - Stephen Breyer, vanilla

Firstly, I dont get what Neto is talking about either. Are you saying Bill Clinton is the mastermind behind the killing of the court?

Secondly... Darox.. can you elaborate on your identity?

[camn]

I don't think a flavor argument can catch us any scum here.

Lets try wagon analysis. We don't have much to go on.. but let us try.
Prepare for a LONG post.

[camn]

FIRST, lets talk about Yosarian:

Looking back with knowledge of his role..and knowing Yos how I do, I think it is clear who Yos investigated.
It seems there was a night zero

It is now N0, all players may use any non-killing powers they have.

And I am certain that Yos investigated GREEN CRAYONS.
Exhibit A: Yos's first post:

Hey, everyone. Ah, green crayons is in this game, awesome, haven't played with you in a while.

and later posts:

Obvtown: Green Crayons

Green Crayons is still very obv town here.

GC jumped on him for this (which surprises me, in retrospect) and so did

JASON1981

. Scumpoints for rolefishing

I add, that I find it even more troubling you can declare him Obivious town when he has only made 10 posts!

Care to explain?

>>>NOW DAY 2

Yosarian, imo, investigated and got an innocent on JACK Night 1.
Exhibit B:

I'm sure people are going to jump all over me for saying this, but Jack is obv town here, and Dark Lights actions in response to him are looking odder and odder.

Plus other defenses of Jack.

Thus we can conclude, imo, that Yosarian had an innocent on Jack, as well as GC. since GC was indeed town, we can conclude that Yos was at least MOSTLY sane.

[camn]

NOW, wagon analysis:

Bub Bidderskins

-7- Jack,

Yosarian2

, Fishythefish, Netopalis,

Green Crayons

, pman5595, Darox

OFF WAGON

-- Dry-fit,

Bub Bidderskins

, jasonT1981, camn,

DarkLightA

DarkLightA

-5- camn, Darox, Netopalis, jasonT1981, pman5595

OFF WAGON

-- Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish,

Yosarian2, DarkLightA

Hm.
Well.. let us make a couple assumptions.
First, three scum? I think in this size game, that would be normal.

Second, I REALLY DOUBT that all three scum would be on both myslynches. In fact, if they were playing how >I< would, I doubt that all three scum would be on either mislynch
Which could give us a decent look.
That would put at least one scum in: {

Dry-fit, jasonT1981, camn

}
AND at least one scum in: {

Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish

}

Now, given the first day.. although I ALSO doubt that ALL THREE SCUM would be OFF the wagon, Bud seemed to have a lot of scumminess.. and the wagon seems pretty town-driven as I look back. PLUS, I happen to know that I am totally town,

so I think 1, probably both of {

Dry-fit, jasonT1981

} are scum.

On the next day, we had a researched-lynch.
Given that the researcher didn't claim, we can be pretty confident the researcher is scum. Thus, the scum knew that the lynch only needed 5 votes. I think that makes it pretty likely that 2 of the scum were ON the wagon.. but I doubt they would risk ALL the scum being on, especially given DLA's incredible scumminess... and the fact they at least one of them is smart, since they picked up on Yosarians crumbs.
This puts ONE scum in {

Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish

}, imo.
I think Fishy is obvtown, as i have said before. Jack is innocent, as explained in my previous. which leaves us with

{

Dry-fit

} as prob-scum.

.

As Jason and Dry-fit's partner, I choose Darox. Why?
a) his scumminess today
b) On the DLS wagon, I am town, and Neto seems pretty town to me. Pman could be scum.. but hammering the way he did would be a pretty sloppy move, and so far this game I haven't got the impression that this is a sloppy scumteam, so I doubt it. Thus, Darox.


-------IN SUMMARY-------------------------

this is my view of the wagons:

Bub Bidderskins

-7-

Jack

,

Yosarian2

, Fishythefish, Netopalis,

Green Crayons

, pman5595,

Darox

OFF WAGON

--

Dry-fit

,

Bub Bidderskins

,

jasonT1981

, camn,

DarkLightA

DarkLightA

-5- camn,

Darox

, Netopalis,

jasonT1981

, pman5595

OFF WAGON

--

Dry-fit

,

Jack

, Fishythefish,

Yosarian2, DarkLightA

[camn]

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

[camn]

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?

I don't see how.
Care to explain?

[camn]

So.. no explanation then, Darox?

I support a lynch of {Dry-fit, Jason, Darox}.

The Darox-Jason bussing is fine with me. If scum want to fight amongst themselves, thats fine.
It will not lead us astray.

[camn]

Dear Scum:
Lurking your way to victory is no way to play.

[camn]

Dry-fit.

scummy + lurkerscum = diescumdie.

[camn]

I sadly agree with Jack.

I was totally convinced that Neto and Jack were scum, but their reactions changed my mind. (which you have mentioned a couple times, jack.. but never why it is scummy? That is how I shake out scum early on. Naked aggression.)
Wouldn't I have to STILL insist they were scum to have that particular bias? (which I had to google, btw)

And re: lurkers...
with the exception of my last game... it seems to me that EVERY GAME I PLAY the scum lurk their way to victory.
everyone lets them off the hook, then WOW, they were scum after all.
In an ongoing game, which I am dead in, BOTH lurkers have already flipped scum.

I could easily go for a Jason or Darox lynch, though, if you feel like compromising. We

will

eventually need to lynch them all.

[camn]

Who's lurking in this game Camn? Please check for me, rather than telling me off the top of your head.

Check yourself, I'm not your monkey.

[camn]

Because you are largely an unknown and getting some opinions on the state of the game from you is a good thing.

And seriously? You say this re: jack.. but Dry-fit has 15 posts and NO opinions.. and you let that slide?

Going the whole game without giving much of an read on anyone (except me ) is pretty scummy, don't you think? - even without the wagon analysis.
But I can see how you totally let that slide, since Dry-fit is your partner, and mislynching Jack would win the game for you.

Darox

: How do you justify your double standard?
Why are you attacking Jack, calling him "largely an unknown".. and defending Dry-fit, who is REALLY an unknown?

[camn]

Because you are largely an unknown and getting some opinions on the state of the game from you is a good thing.

And seriously? You say this re: jack.. but Dry-fit has 15 posts and NO opinions.. and you let that slide?

No, I said that re: Dry-Fit, as seen when I quoted him in the very post you quoted. But nice confirmation bias.

Ah, this is totally my bad.
I thought that post was directed toward Jack, for god knows what reason.
And obv, I thought it was a funny turn of events.

[camn]

Also camn, if you're so gung-ho against lurkers, surely you would want to know who is lurking, especially when the person you call obv town is doing so.

You should ask more questions before you make assumptions..
Here is a question for YOU: Who is lurking in this game?

Why sadly?

Because I would love for Jack to be scum, and make my initial reads right. It would boost my ego. But he persists in being town.

[camn]

Why didn't you want to answer the question?

a) You weren't asking it in good faith. I suspect we don't even see lurking the same way.

b) It isn't the right question. Fishy could lurk until the end of summer and I wouldn't lynch him, because he is town.

c) Your "check for me" comment was dumb, and uncalled for. I would have roasted you for it more, except for....

d) I don't generally play semantical games with scum.

-------------

Darox's random, useless questions are cluttering this thread up... but I too want to see Jason's answers.

[camn]

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?

I don't see how.
Care to explain?

You first, Darox.
If we are going to play this game where you ask thousands of questions... it cuts both ways.
You left this question hanging, IIRC.

Also, Fishy has summed it up pretty well.

Yes, I have read you. I know you didn't label me or pman until after Jack's statement. Luckily, that's completely irrelevant. The point is that my play is clearly not lurking, and you labelling it as such to score a point against camn is completely wrong..

And finally:

You're the one who asserted that scum are lurking. So if that's true, who do you think is lurking camn?.

It isn't true.
I think scum lurk.
I do NOT think all lurkers are scum.
Also.. and this is very important, so read carefully........ I think scum that LURK are more dangerous than scum who don't lurk.

That said, scum also spam. The more mud in the water, the better.
Especially in lylo with questions they don't even care about .

VOTE : DAROX

[camn]

I'm good with a darox lynch.

Lets do it then. I really think he is the third.

@Fishy, I also support a Jason lynch... but I have a pretty short attention span, and Darox's play today reeks of scum-futation to me.

[camn]

Hmm. Maybe we AREN"T in lylo.
That would be a very good thing.

@Darox: it is hard to be serious with you when you are being so imprecise..

In 605, you say you responded to my question.. but you quoted your response to a different post entirely. I really don't get it. Are you saying Jason is bussing JACK?

UNVOTE
VOTE: NO LYNCH

I am tired, and hungry.. but I think this is the right play.

[camn]

No, I quoted my response to you asking if I wasn't going to answer your question. Please try to pay attention. Jack isn't even mentioned anywhere in 605, at all.

Yes, he is.
Right in the middle.
Jason mentioned him. (Tried to Un-clear him, imo.)
I replied to Jason.
You said "Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?"
I asked you to explain.
You said "Why would the scum try to bus in Lylo?"
Which made so little sense, I didn't think it was a reply to the original question... but just another of your many, many random questions.

No lynch is a bad idea. 3 guesses for why.

Explain.
I think it is.

[camn]

WHY AM I ARGUING WITH SCUM????

Help me, town.
This is infuriating.

[camn]

I thought of that before. However, there is presumably still one townie out there who requires one less vote to lynch--and at 7 alive, 4 to lynch, if there are three mafia they could quicklynch.

^^This?
Darox, having intimate knowledge of the researcher role, explained this:

Researcher- Once a night, may send in a name to use your research on. Due to finding precedent, that person would require one less vote to be lynched.

Can not be used past Night 2

.

[camn]

Please try to pay attention. Jack isn't even mentioned anywhere in 605, at all.

Jason flipping out at me for calling Jack cop confirmed, and according to you, Jason voting me is scum bussing.....<snip>

So you admit that Jack indeed WAS mentioned in post 605?

@Jack. That IS interesting. Do you think if that is NOT the case, that No-Lynch would be the right play?

MOD: Can you clarify the duration of Research?

UNVOTE

,

for now.

[camn]

Fishy? Really?
I get warm towniness from every one of his posts.


@Darox. Thank you for admitting your error.
And I read it, btw. kthnx.

[camn]

>sigh<
Ok.
But you need to understand.. your flawed assumptions start from the very beginning.
I humbly request NO RESPONSE from you (Darox) re: this, unless it is "Oh. I was wrong. Sorry"

SO..
I explained why Jack is town.
Even Darox can remember that.
Then, Jason said:

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

The truth is.. he HAD missed something. That is, my lengthy post re: Jack and Yosarian and GC.
(you see this has nothing to do with Darox)
So I say:

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

I think one of the BIGGEST scumtells in the world is SKIMMING OVER LOGICAL ARGUMENTS.
Scum need not waste time trying to puzzle out who scum are. THEY ALREADY KNOW.
So I said as much.

Then Darox jumps in, assuming I am talking about he and Jason's cross-buss (that assumption is a scumtell in itself)

Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?

Obv.. I don't see how Jason skimming is at odds with my hypothesis.
So I very reasonable answer:

I don't see how.
Care to explain?

Which.. in my view, is never answered.

Later, Darox claims THIS is the answer:

Why would the scum try to bus in Lylo?

Since that answer has nothing to do with Jason throwing Dirt on Jack. I missed it initially. But considering only Jack and Jason were in my original posts... I had to assume the 'bussing' he was talking about was Jason 'bussing' Jack. Not that I even cared.. I understand Darox's REAL answer is to sling as much crap around, and see what sticks.

--------------------

NOW..
If anyone

OTHER than Darox

finds any flaws in my recollection of events, I am interested.
If you, Darox, have anything else other than your admission of hardheaded wrongness.. I am not interested. This argument is anti-town.. just like MOST of your posting today.
I am personally a little bit ashamed that I have let it go on this long.


---------------

Everyone else:
I am totally willing to support a Darox lynch. I will hammer him if possible.. but FOR NOW, I am going to pretend he doesn't exist. We can lynch him tomorrow.

If you guys really think no-lynch is no good, (and you may be right)..Lets get started on Jason.

VOTE: JASON

For skimming, first off. General scumminess second.

[camn]

Darox is scum again.

Jason has been voting you for quite some time (since right after he pointed out it was lylo).

You obviously just read the part of his post where he was quoting DLA. Skimming = scummy

Shall we lynch him then?
I would be very interested to see how Jason behaves with Darox at L-1.

If Jason's vote sticks.. we have him, you, me.... and we need 2 more, right?

Fishy says he is 'not ready'..
Pman has suspiciously not commented on Darox.
Netopolis is softening toward him, I feel.. but had some decent Darox-hate a couple posts back.
and Dry fit can't be relied on to lynch anyone, I dont think.

Pman

.. your opinion of Darox?

Netopolis

... do you retain enough hate to lynch?

Fishy

.. what would it take to get you ready?

Dry-fit

.. are you willing to bus your buddy to look more townie tomorrow?

[camn]

Wow. Darox = town?

Fishy... you are caught scum.
Finding your partners might be hard.
I am thinking Pman and DryFit.

We will know after today, unless one of them busses you.
Town: Lets get 3 votes up right quick.. then we can talk.

VOTE: FISHYTHEFISH

H

I agree with Neto completely.

[camn]

My vote post was short – but I’d given full and I think good reasons why I thought jason was scum elsewhere. Put yourself in my position as a townie – what else needs saying before that vote?

And no.. you knew he was researched, and you saw the chance to quickhammer.
One of your partners must be exceptionally town... and you figured you could afford getting quicklynched today. Hmm.
Maybe Jack? I think he is town... but he could be a godfather or something? I doubt that though.

Whoever it is, he might be bussing today, soas not to be totally obvious tomorrow. Let's play sharp. Heck.. maybe it is Neto? You two were both all over the night-end deadline, weren't you? Coordinating your movements in the QT?

[camn]

Oh good.. that is three.

Looks like we caught them sleeping.

DO NOT UNVOTE under any circumstances!
We should have a lock on the deadline lynch... though hopefully one of you two is scum, and we can pick up the hammer before then. Which I suspect is the case.

[camn]

I kind of think Netopolis.

He has a uber-townieness... they must be relying on him not getting force-lynched ever.

[camn]

Why am >I< scum?
Because I still want to win?

[camn]

I can't see it.
There must be SOME scum voting for fishy, right?

It is a little strange that Jack is alive, I admit. . . But he has played a pretty strong town game. At least one of {pman, Netopolis} must be scum.

[camn]

Neto DID play a good game.

I also want to say that you, Jack, Were a Brick Wall when I replaced in.
I was VERY impressed. I thought I could stir up some crap by hitting you hard, but you didn't budge at all. Very nice.


Pman, Neto... I am OK with publishing our QT if you are.

[camn]

Also, my apologies, Darox.... I was really egging you on there for a while. I hope you weren't too mad
Almost everything I accused you of I was actually doing intentionally.....

I think we really capitalized on the research-mechanic.
We used it with DLA and Jason, right?

When I replaced in, I actually was playing for the town to lynch me. I thought that pwnman was scummy enough to deserve it.. and my scum-play is pretty bad sometimes... So my intention was to link Jack and Netopolis.. tying them together... then my flip would clear them both.

Jack.. do you think that influenced your thoughts on Neto?

[camn]

@ YOSARIAN

I didn't notice them until you were dead...

I voted you then because the good play would have been No-Lynch, I think... and I thought you would have been the only one with the clout to push it through.
Plus, I think you are very strong in endgame, and I wasn't relishing facing off against you

You and GC were pretty obvious targets to me. Both of you know my meta. And neither of you are swayed by my charms..

[camn]

Lets put our QT up.
Pman wont care.. and if he does, Bat can take it down, no?

Here it is:
http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/r6fr5BDvMQz

[camn]

Also, my apologies, Darox.... I was really egging you on there for a while. I hope you weren't too mad
Almost everything I accused you of I was actually doing intentionally.....

When you and Darox had your rounds, I was just mad the other towns didn't pick up on the fact that you refused to do something because you didn't want to do the work for scum (which was just looking to see who posted last, not like discovering bread crumbs). I wanted to just give Darox a 1-shot day vig ability ("As you sit down to think about who is doing the killing, you remember that you have a gun. You check the cartridge and notice it is empty, however there is a bullet in the chamber")..

That would be SO unethical!
But I did enjoy the irony of that argument.
Especially when I accused him of "muddying up the thread" and the like.. directly after posting pages worth of nothing at all!

[camn]

I agree, Bat. I think we got lucky and leveraged the researcher role pretty well, wheras Jack got UNLUCKY and got nothing.

It also helped that we killed Yos's target right away....

I think it was balanced.