Mini 990: YuGiOh! The Abridged Mafia - (OVER)

[Jarti]

/conform

/confirm

[Jarti]

vote: Pomegranate

I say we kill him...in America.

[Jarti]

From my other game:
Hello, I am not dead; but I am very busy at the moment and will be catching up tonight after work.
I'll be back later tonight (scheduled until 11PM EST and hopefully actually get let off then), someone should be on then too so I have someone to get into an argument with.

[Jarti]

Hey everyone.

unvote: vote: Pomegranate

Or MaxMouse.

AlamasterGM pick one in your next post, thanks.

charter you're gut's right, just pointing to the left.

[Jarti]

Oh, I forgot the most important part of my post:

unvote: vote: Pomegranate

You all seemed to have forgotten that part too. Let's fix that.

:059:

[Jarti]

So while we let Pomegranate voice distaste for any wagon that builds up and prevent the game from going anywhere, let's lynch him. Everyone sure seems hesitant to vote him, although I guess that's what happens when some of those people are his scumbuddies.

Or we can kill Chronopie who's content voicing suspicions without following through with them.

[Jarti]

@MaxMouse I'm aware, sadly I have the bad habit of not adjusting to those type of changes well. If I typo someone's name, expect it to persist for a while before I break the habit even with reminding me.

MaxMouse, what do you think of Chronopie's scum reads? Can you follow his thought process or do they seem out of left field to you?

@Brandi: She didn't like the RVS that formed, and then she disagreed with the reasoning with the next wagon that formed which was dramonic. There's not much to go on, so I'm taking what little there is and making the most of it to try and get things going down the right direction. And I'm content with that.

@FakeGod: Yes, I was calling Pom scum (and thus having scumbuddies), generally that's why people vote other people, 'cause they think that.

[Jarti]

What do

you

think of the Dram wagon, Jarti?

Nothing to lynch over, but it actually did get some banter flowing & I don't see why you would feel the need to step in and say you're against it at that point when there were all of 2 votes on him.

So now that BV wagon fell apart because it was meta, let's kill scum.

unvote: vote: Chronopie

Willing to throw out lists & then most of the explanations for reads are gut but no effort to vote the people he felt were slightly scummy. But then willing to jump on a flimsy meta-wagon. Screaming scum here.

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM
Beloved Princess (0) -
Brandi (0) -
bv310 (4) - Pomegranate FakeGod dramonic Chronopie
charter (0) -
Chronopie (1) - Jarti
dramonic (1) - AlmasterGM
FakeGod (0) -
Jarti (0) -
Kitoari (3) - Beloved Princess Charter bv310
MaxMouse (0) -
Pomegranate (0) -

12 alive, 7 to lynch

[Jarti]

Actually, I'm voting him because he lurked, posted a terrible catchup post mentioning only Kitoari, and talked about weird one-sided OMGUS. Someone asked about his meta and I gave what I know, but that's not why I voted him in the first place.

The rest of the wagon didn't though.

Alright, so BV lurks when he's scum.
Let's lynch him then, especially since he's not being active anyways. (at this rate, I can't get a read on him at all)

Unvote
Vote: bv310

Anyone support/oppose this?

I support this <<

Unvote
Vote: bv

inb4Almasteryells

So no-one has Bv-town/lurker meta?

VOTE: BV310

All in succession. So yeah, your vote may have been founded, but what got people to hop onto the wagon was meta garbage. At least the way I see it.

Willing to throw out lists & then most of the explanations for reads are gut but no effort to vote the people he felt were slightly scummy. But then willing to jump on a flimsy meta-wagon. Screaming scum here.

1) Gut reads, and past meta, are valuable tools in any scummers arsenal.

2) I know of past (completed) Bv310 games, which has him as lurker-scum.

3) Not screaming. I'M NOTICEABLY AGAINST THIS KIND OF POSTING. Irritating to read.

4) Semi-confirmable town role. Don't need to say any more.

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Since Bv310 provided some town-lurker meta, which I briefly skimmed, I am forced to conclude that lurking is a null-tell for him. Seeing as that was my basis for voting him. UNVOTE: Bv310

Nice to see you trying to call me out with weaksauce reasoning, calling my vote flimsy, then making a flimsy vote yourself. VOTE: Jarti <- Not an OMGUS.

You hop on and off the BV wagon very easily with a "meta says this; vote him"; "meta says that; unvote him" series of events. I'm fairly sure that makes your vote on him flimsy as there isn't much substance to your backing and it shows.

You also neglect to respond to why you didn't feel the need to vote the people you were getting 'slightly scummy' reads on, but were able to easily hop on a meta-case wagon. Gut reads and meta are an important part of your arsenal you say in your #1, but I sense a disconnect between when you are and are not voting.

Let's kill chronopie.

[Jarti]

Chronopie: no response?

Charter: quit being behind me, I wanted Pom/Max dead earlier (see 1st post that I unvote Pom/revote Pom), but now I don't think either is the play today. Right now we should kill chronopie and fakegod.

Fakegod: Between your first vote on dramonic and your second vote on dramonic you put out a list of who you were willing to lynch and dramonic wasn't on it. Both times your vote was influenced by Alamaster pointing out dramonic's 'active lurking'. What happened in between the two votes that made you to put him on your willing to lynch list?

[Jarti]

@Jarti: I didn't really thought Dram's scum when I first voted him, (hence I got off him), then decided after arguing with Alm that a bit of pressure might be good for Dram, and voted him.

Not seeing it; 2nd quote is where you unvoted him.

@Alam: if what you're saying is true about active lurking and what not, then I guess I better

Unvote, Vote: dramonic

Alright, so BV lurks when he's scum.
Let's lynch him then, especially since he's not being active anyways. (at this rate, I can't get a read on him at all)

Unvote
Vote: bv310

DRAMONIC'S POSTING ON THE SITE

BUT NOT HERE

LYNCH MODE ACTIVATE.

Alm's not making this up.

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

Anyone support/oppose this?

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Jarti: You seem to be against a dramonic lynch, or that's what I see after reading your latest post. Why?

Nothing in that post is related to my opinion on Dram; it's related to FakeGod's voting pattern, which includes Dram.

Regardless, at the time of that post, I wouldn't have seen him as scummy for the active lurking. However the active lurking coupled with massive deflection recently makes him a great lynch.

unvote: Dramonic

I'm still content with Chronopie or FakeGod dying at this point as well.

[Jarti]

Whoops: " FakeGod wrote:

AlmasterGM wrote:DRAMONIC'S POSTING ON THE SITE

BUT NOT HERE

LYNCH MODE ACTIVATE.



Alm's not making this up.

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic"

Should be a quote of its own, showing FakeGod hopping back on the wagon.

[Jarti]

And my vote should be

unvote: vote: Dramonic

.

I think that covers all of my mistakes.

[Jarti]

vote: charter

Who's the play today charter

[Jarti]

So besides the obvious rolefishing, was there any other reason you felt it would be a good idea to bring that up when the mod practically confirmed it to everyone?

[Jarti]

Bringing it up doesn't help us scumhunt in any manner; it only generates discussion about the role, which only benefits scum in narrowing down who they believe it is based on reactions. Which is why I encourage it ends now and no one else join in that discussion.

Have your opinions from this post:

I'm willing to lynch.....

bv310
Pomegranate
Kitoari
Timeater

I think Pomegranate's flip would be pretty interesting.

Changed since yesterDay FakeGod?

[Jarti]

Alright then. I think charter is scum. What do you think of charter?

Also what do you think of the nudging towards Kitoari at the end of yesterDay? Numerous people said they would be "okay" with his lynch once Dram's wagon picked up speed, or something along those lines.

[Jarti]

Pomegranate: I'd love to know your charter reasoning.

Any reasons you wouldn't want to see mine?

[Jarti]

@Jarti: you could just tell us...

It's largely based on my being able to follow his thought process or not; once charter tells me who he thinks the play for today is, I'll outline it in more detail.

Brandi, besides speculation on if there's a 2 person or 3 person scum team, who do you think is the play today?

[Jarti]

Once again, who's the play for today charter?

[Jarti]

The problem is that everyone is gunning for someone who isn't active...which is essentially what happened with dramonic as well (although he was more responsive). Regardless, I'm more interested in hearing charter's answer to my question than his claim; so calm down FakeGod, we have no deadline.

Kit/Brandi haven't really been responsive to the nudges given to them to join in the conversation.

Interesting note:

Dramonic lynch wagon: AlmasterGM InflatablePie FakeGod Pomegranate MaxMouse Jarti
Current charter wagon: Jarti Pomegranate InflatablePie FakeGod

We're essentially building the same wagon, without exception of AlmasterGM/MaxMouse who are not voting at all today. AlmasterGM originally said he was 'insanely suspicious' of charter, but seems more reluctant than he was with his push on Dram. I'm still at a loss at gauging where MaxMouse stands on charter even with his answer to FakeGod's question.

I don't think we'll ever see anything out of Brandi, considering the only time she's voted has been her RVS, which she backed off of when a wagon formed.

bv310 is voting and semi-active, going for Kit yesterday and Alam today; however he hasn't followed up with his vote against Alam at all, instead just talking about the dice stuff.

[Jarti]

In that case:

bv310: who's the play today?

[Jarti]

@Mod:

Throw something sharp at Kitoari

Banish Kitoari to the Shadow Realm

Prod Kitoari Please

[Jarti]

FakeGod why did you mention "Timeater" a yugioh card in your "willing to lynch" list? I checked Joey's decks: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Joey_Wheeler%27s_Decks & did not see the card listed there.

I had assumed it was a breadcrumble of some sort (hence why I didn't follow up with attacking your blatant rolefishing I pointed out today & instead re-quoted the post to see your reaction. When you blew it off the way you did I assumed it was a legit breadcrumble and pretty much cleared you at that point for it.).

[Jarti]

Those are reasons that scum would bus. Yesterday, I was saying that I thought Dramonic was suspicious, but I was more suspicious of those voting him. I hadn't made any links between people, so I basically had a list of suspicious people, and Dramonic wasn't at the top of the list. I wasn't didn't have enough evidence to suggest that Dramonic and FakeGod were buddies. I'm not sure if you get what I'm saying, but basically I found some people suspicious, but for independent reasons.

Something else that I think everyone voting me is just plain ignoring, is what if I was voting for scum myself? You can argue that even so, it was useless because no one else was voting with me, but no one is saying that. I'm just being condemned for not voting a confirmed scum. I can see where that makes me suspicious, but it shouldn't be enough to lynch me over, especially since I don't see anyone saying or thinking that FakeGod is town.

See, that disconnect in thinking was why I started off toDay voting you. You had dramonic as one of your suspicions, but wouldn't throw your support towards lynching one of your suspicions because other people you were suspicious of also voted him. You yourself list reasons why scum could possibly bus dramonic, but don't take that into account for the dramonic wagon. If that were the case, it'd be hard for you to ever be on a lynch if you avoided all lynches with people you suspected on them, especially if scum voted each other. I think it's meh reasoning for avoiding a wagon. The reason I'm really grilling you for this is because your suspicions throughout the game have mirrored mine to a degree (originally I had Pom & Max as my early suspects, you hounded on them later on for reasoning I could follow easily, etc....). So when I saw the disconnect in your dram reasoning & that just so happens to be the player who flips scum, it makes you suspect to me.

Charter what do you think of the current Brandi v Pom exchange?

[Jarti]

I'm getting Town Gut-reads from both Dram and FakeGod.

FakeGod is a purely gut choice.

Unless He's a 'Steve,' I doubt that Fg is scum.

Here's possible breadcrumbles from Chronopie. Note the last one. He says unless FakeGod is a 'Steve', then FakeGod isn't scum. Joey has his name 'legally-changed to Steve' in the YGO Abridged series and is temporarily under Marik's control. The breadcrumble does make sense for FakeGod being Joey Wheeler.

FakeGod, point to where you breadcrumbled D1 that Chronopie was confirmed town to you. I would like to see what you can point out.

[Jarti]

RBT this is your unofficial Jarti reminder

Would your hair please duel Max & Kit into submission

Or prod them please <3

[Jarti]

wow @ timeater being a MSplayer whose name is a yugioh card

I don't want to lynch FakeGod; need to hear more from Max/Kit on current events/wagons & who they think the play for today is.

[Jarti]

lol @ me being Bandit Keith

approve of going back to charter and killing him

[Jarti]

@Jarti: I assume that was a joke given your response. Guess I'm looking too much into things then.

Was my using "in America" in the RVS supposed to be taken as an actual claim of being Bandit Keith?

Looking too much into things...or grasping at straws to make connections between me & FakeGod in hopes of pushing his lynch?

unvote: vote: InflatablePie

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (1) - Charter
bv310 (0) -
charter (1) - FakeGod
FakeGod (3) - InflatablePie Pomegranate bv310
InflatablePie (1) - Jarti
Jarti (0) -
Kitoari (1) - AlmasterGM
MaxMouse (0) -
Pomegranate (1) - Brandi

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[Jarti]

Being that Dramonic flipped as Marik, isn't it possible that the scumteam consists of Marik and Steves? So wouldn't this make FG a likely scum candidate if his role name is true?

Bandit Keith became a Steve under Marik's control as well, IIRC.

Of course this implies that Jarti would be scum as well if that claim was true. Hrmmm... it would make sense since Jarti is defending FG so hard today.

He's attempting to build more connections than actually exist between me & FakeGod after I stated my opposition to the FakeGod lynch. Looks like scum grasping at straws for more reasons to push the lynch on FakeGod (omg, steves & marik!! joey & keith were steves in abridged!) provided FakeGod is town (which I believe).

[Jarti]

@InflatablePie:
At the time you

first

called me out for "defending FG so hard today" & being his possible partner for it I had just recently:
Called FakeGod out on what I thought was a breadcrumble that didn't match his claim (essentially I was ready to vote him if he didn't have a good explanation).
Did the research and pointed out the possible breadcrumbles from Chronopie.
And then say "I don't want to lynch FakeGod" after he explained my misinterpretation of Timeater.

Essentially you tried to make the connection between me & FakeGod much larger than it was after I decided I wasn't for the lynch. Discrediting the people against the lynch by finding ways to connect them to the lynchee/exaggerate their opposition to the lynch comes off as scummy to me.

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Interestingly, InflatablePie & Brandi have both taken very easy stances on FakeGod for scum to take provided he's town. InflatablePie essentially has used the "he's scummy now thus we should lynch him despite meta" which is easy for scum to fall back onto as their reasoning after a mislynch. Brandi on the otherhand has taken a "well he was scummy in this game too, thus I don't think he's scum", which is an easy way to go "I told you so!" if he's lynched. InflatablePie & Brandi both have shakey meta stances. InflatablePie's tries to justify ignoring it, Brandi's tries to justify relying on it.

However, going back to what I asked charter about the Brandi v. Pom exchange, I disagree with his answer. Brandi finally took the time to stick her neck out and both defend a player and attack a player for once. Pom initially tries to bite back at Brandi by attacking Brandi's voting pattern instead of actually defending against the point.

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@MaxMouse You've faded into the background. Take a more solid stance, you've had enough time.

[Jarti]

Aside from his nameclaim, which now seems to be why you don't want to lynch him, you don't think FG has acted scummy at all?

Sure he has, now you're just ignoring my earlier suspicions of him. However being scummy != being scum. The fact is, since claiming to want claims, he hasn't attempted to jump on any bandwagons at all to attempt to force them closer to L-1 for claims and has instead stuck to his charter vote and pushed on it. I don't see this as something scum-FakeGod would do.

And you avoided my question from earlier, so let's reword it to fit your situation. You think I'm scum, right? So if someone came along saying "PIE IS TOWN WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM", you wouldn't find them a bit suspicious as well?

No, the question is dumb and very case-by-case. Once again, originally all I said was "I don't want to lynch FakeGod today" not "FAKEGOD IS TOWN WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM". Before then you can see my thought process as I prod him for explanations of his own breadcrumbling to see if how it matched in response to Chronopie's. I liked his answers and then backed off. If someone came in and disagreed with you being scum with reasoning, no it would not be a "omg, that person is more suspicious now! lemme look for connections between them" first. It would be "lemme try to make my case more convincing so we can lynch this scumbag" first.

I kind of mean to sound like a broken record, but I still think it very pertinent that those who were voting me earlier give a reason why they picked me over other non-Dramonic voters.

Why is everyone like ignoring this?

Who do you think needs to better explain their reasoning?
Same goes to charter.

[Jarti]

Also, it's funny how I'm seen as suspicious for looking for connections, yet the main reason you don't want to lynch FG is supposed connections to Chrono.

Um, it's

claimed

connections with him and a

dead

player. Honestly this is the same type of deflection that got me to join the dramonic lynch. Dramonic says: "I'm active lurking....but what about these guys!!!!" & InflatablePie says: "I'm making up connections that don't exist...but what about you!!!" Note, I'm not saying this is a connection; I'm saying I find it scummy for a similar reason.

[Jarti]

1. Speaking of dramonic, if you think I am scum, then you believe that I bussed (very hard) for dramonic, then? Is this correct?

2. At least Jarti has some reasoning behind his vote, even if I think he's wrong.

1. Yes, perfectly plausible hard-bussing (or any type of bussing) a slot that is a goon & not participating to gain town cred later on.
2. Shouldn't you

know

I'm wrong if you're town, not just 'think' I'm wrong about you being scum?

I like what Fishy pointed out about the neighbour vs. mason and will not consider FakeGod to be clear anymore. However I still believe him to be town and will not support that lynch today.

FakeGod you've dropped off the radar as late and you avoided the question I asked you.

@mod: Your last vote count was wrong; my vote is on InflatablePie & Brandi's vote is on InflatablePie & bv's vote is on FakeGod.

[Jarti]

"Who do you think needs to better explain their reasoning?" -Jarti

You, Pom, and Pie. Go answer Charter on why you guys voted him.

ISO me. Tell me why the explanation I gave is not satisfactory. ISO Pom. Tell me why the explanation Pom gave is not satisfactory. ISO Pie. Tell me why the explanation Pie gave is not satisfactory.

(Spoiler: you should only find one of those to be non-satisfactory.)

[Jarti]

THANK FUCKING GOD.

Sorry, I've been busy and essentially ignoring this game existing. However I checked on it today and found InflatablePie fake-claiming my character. I'm Mokuba. Just Mokuba, 1 name, not 2. My role has jack to do with my brother, however in the flavour it mentions him and refers to him as Seto Kaiba. Regardless, I've spent like FUCKING FOREVER, trying to find my damn breadcrumbles. I put them into the "subject"/"RE:" field since it wouldn't show up directly and people would only see it if you quoted the posts. Well lo and behold, when you quote posts the new forum settings don't show up and I've been trying DAMN EVERYTHING to figure out how to show you all them.

WELL I FIGURED IT OUT.

Go to advanced search; search for "batmobile" in subform Coney Island. Make sure it's set to search Post Subjects & Message Text. It'll display a post by me and the subject says "batmobile? I have something like that named after me! " Which was my name breadcrumble as Mokuba. For those who don't get the reference, it's the "mokubamobile" from episodes 43/44.

See these for reference of the "mokubamobile":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jE4XaAX-uM#t=5m54s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1l7OrlU6xE#t=4m42s

I breadcrumbled my role as well, but I'll bring it up when it's actually needed. FOR NOW LYNCH INFLATEABLEPIE THE LIAR DEAR GOD THIS WAS TOO MUCH WORK FOR A FUCKING COUNTERCLAIM WHEN I BREADCRUMBLED.

Will worry about other stuff later, not in the mood.

[Jarti]

/rides off into the sunset on mokubamobile

[Jarti]

Good game everyone!

FYI: I didn't know who was Seto Kaiba. So me grilling him was me legit finding him scummy and I just lucked out that he was my lynch target.

[Jarti]

If Seto ever died via NK I would have become town. And it looks like Rebecca could have become town too. So I don't think it's too crazy of 5 scum roles to be there, especially when 1 of the 3 mafia is just a traitor.