Mini 974: Thrillville Mafia - Over

[manho]

i finally notice the game thread. and to CMAR's question, i would rather not discussing our choices, to make the game more fun =] , although discussing it should have a slight advantage than not.

[manho]

good job imhim. that's the biggest crap case i've even seen.

vote: SSBF

, i really don't know why, but i just want to vote him.

[manho]

1. 1
2. yes
3. the one that is

most beneficial to the town

more fun

[manho]

more SSBF vote please.

[manho]

Is there an actual case against SSBF?

do you want a case with similar level to imhim's case? if yes, i can do you the favour.

[manho]

@SSBF: What parts of inhim's case did you think were good? Why just an FoS not a vote? Why do you think that CMAR is vote-worthy?

1. Good question. Re-reading through InHimShallibe's case on Andrius, it sounds like he wasn't really being serious about it. That could be difficult to point out if I'm ever able to do so.

finally you admitted not reading that case. why did you agree with it then if you hadn't read it? because you are the lazy scum who agree with any seemingly valid case, like imhim's case which is so long.

[manho]

finally you admitted not reading that case. why did you agree with it then if you hadn't read it? because you are the lazy scum who agree with any seemingly valid case, like imhim's case which is so long.

The reason why I originally agreed to liking InHimShallibe's case is because I took it so seriously, which could be due to my lack of humor. I also did read the case completely, once when it was posted up and another time when mb53 asked me to point out the good parts of InHimShallIbe's case. Now that I have re-read the post, I realize he wasn't being serious.

fair enough.

unvote

vote: ReaperCharlie

for that blatant wagon-hopping vote.

[manho]

Let me ask you too: What is the point of a bandwagon?

nah, i didn't vote SSBF because of that answer you want from the question. i vote him because i think he is scum.

[manho]

Let me ask you too: What is the point of a bandwagon?

nah, i didn't vote SSBF because of that answer you want from the question. i vote him because i think he is scum.

You think he's scum.... yet you're voting me for voting him?
*brain explodes*

I swear, this feels like a newbie game.

no, i don't think he is scum now.

[manho]

@manho: so... in 188 you

do

think he is scum, and then in 191 you don't? What?!?!

Unvote: Vote: manho

in 188, i was explaining why i voted SSBF long ago, (or why i didn't unvote as it was a random vote at the beginning). i had unvoted SSBF before 188. change post 188 into past tense and you can understand better.

[manho]

i would rather scum not know the roles, so option 2.

scum can adjust their play when knowing what they are facing, for example:

1. scum vs tracker, scum will ask a less scummy member to kill a more pro-town town.
2. scum vs watcher, scum will ask whoever they like to kill a less pro-town player.

and there is not much use for us to know what power we have, or i can't think of any.

[manho]

scum can adjust their play when knowing what they are facing, for example:

1. scum vs tracker, scum will ask a less scummy member to kill a more pro-town town.
2. scum vs watcher, scum will ask whoever they like to kill a less pro-town player.

What. This assumes you know how the scum work in this game. E.G. scum can delegate killing abilities to certain members of the scum team. Are you just hypothesizing or do you know this for a fact? Interesting.

it is hypothetical only. and it is only an example.

[manho]

@ manho: Why use present tense in 188 then?

bad english.

[manho]

Just iso'ed ReaperCharlie. he has been scum-hunting, but too hard. he has accused half of the players. here is the list:

Timeater
MrSandman
SSBF
manho
Chronopie
Andrius

and his vote is jumping all around, but without much reasons. my vote stay and i'll make a case when i've time.

[manho]

P.S. You failed to mention in your post what I had 'accused' them all of.

yes, that's the point. i can't find the reasons for most of the accusations.

[manho]

vote: ReaperCharlie

[manho]

vote: ReaperCharlie

for that blatant wagon-hopping vote.

@manho: so... in 188 you

do

think he is scum, and then in 191 you don't? What?!?!

Unvote: Vote: manho

lol, you can't say someone is OMGUS voting you by voting before you've ever voted him.

and you really think you can vote someone without giving a valid reason?

[manho]

prodded, but didn't have time now to read.

[manho]

Ok now to vote... let's see, which of my preferable wagons is the biggest?

Unvote; Vote: SSBF

Make this happen right now, or you get a shiny ANTI-TOWN sticker for your forehead. Thanks.

no, SSBF is town. and ReaperCharlie is scum.

[manho]

no one seems support the scum-ReaperCharlie wagon, so i'll switch to one of the 2 leading ones then. will iso them soon and make the decision.

[manho]

vote: timeater

[manho]

I am willing to move to

another

any

player if a convincing case comes forth.

This, except I've fixed it.

this is bad.

I don't care who is lynched. Timeater is no longer off limits due to his claim. Lynch him for all I care. Lynch anyone. Heck, lynch ME.

ANYONE WILL DO, THX.

but this is worse.

[manho]

where is mrsandman?

i've counted 5 votes each on timeater and SSBF, along with plum voting chrono and sandman voting RC. so L-2 for both.

actually, i had just read timeater but not SSBF last time when i said so, as i remember getting a strong town vibe from SSBF earlier. i'll read SSBF for the last time. if i get that town vibe again, i'll not consider voting him today unless he claim scum. i may change my vote to SSBF if i couldn't find that town vibe. call me bussing if you like.

[manho]

there is no way SSBF is scum. the only possible scum tell is his blind jump on imhim's "case" on Andrius:

I agree with InHimShallIBe with his case on Andrius. I'll look into him more later.

FoS: Andrius

but he didn't vote at all. it is more like a "this case a worth noting, and i'll come back to it later" than a "this is a good case and a good chance to get a mislynch".

lynch me if SSBF really flips scum.

[manho]

deadline is just 2 days, don't spread so broadly. i'll support timeater or sandman lynch, just no SSBF lynch.

[manho]

Hopefully nobody, because I wanna hammer for the first time. Hope he's scum!

(I've already provided my reasons for wanting to vote him)

Unvote, vote: SSBF

the bolded part is too hypocritical, especilly for someone who clearly stated, both in-thread and in the signature that he is scummy as town and like to use gut as a reason.

[manho]

the "hope he's scum" shows that you are not that sure he is scum, while the "i've already provide the reasons" shows you are quite confident that he is scum. there is great contradiction.

you can either:
1. i'm not sure who is scum, but would like someone to be lynched, so hope SSBF is the scum, or
2. i think SSBF is scum, as the reasons stated before, so i'm going to hammer it.

but not the mixture of the two.

[manho]

@MPR, so you thought SSBF is scum or not at that time when you voted?

[manho]

@MPR, so you thought SSBF is scum or not at that time when you voted?

Why would I hammer someone that I didn't think was scum? Of course I thought he was scum.

i think i can understand your thought when you hammered now. but i really hate people say "hope s/he's scum" when hammering.

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@MPR, so you thought SSBF is scum or not at that time when you voted?

Why would I hammer someone that I didn't think was scum? Of course I thought he was scum.

i think i can understand your thought when you hammered now. but i really hate people say "hope s/he's scum" when hammering.

Why?

as i always misread it as scum tell.

[manho]

manho

95 – Horrible vote for SSBF – “Just because”

LOL

121 – Rallying votes with no reason – scummy

the reason is clear

172 – Horrible reasoning that re-reading amounts to not reading in the first place.

i really don't know what you are saying

186 – Calls out RC for bandwagoning when it’s what he has been doing – scummy

where did I bandwagoned?

247 – Bad argument that pointing out multiple players having scummy behavior is ‘too hard scum-hunting’ and thus scummy in manho’s eyes.

too hard scum-hunting is a scum tell, just like too hard trying to look pro-town, for me

263 – Yet another unexplained vote

lol, you are trying too hard scum-hunting. my vote was on RC long ago, and that was a responce for 262

337 – Yet another unexplained vote, but on Timeater who is no longer ‘in danger’

so you were skimming through the thread and accuse all posts that only have a vote? read 336

and how can you miss my 351/353 posts? the only reason is that you are just looking for possible scum tell to accuse someone, but not reading.

vote: magna

[manho]

after a second thought magna is not only looking for posts only have a vote, but all posts with a vote but not a reason. but you should read the context for the vote. reasons are sometimes obvious, or provided in precedent posts. so magna, you should read the thread again, and edit your summary.

[manho]

@magna, it seems you've missed my response, so i'm quoting it again. bolded is my response, read it.

manho

95 – Horrible vote for SSBF – “Just because”

LOL

121 – Rallying votes with no reason – scummy

the reason is clear

172 – Horrible reasoning that re-reading amounts to not reading in the first place.

i really don't know what you are saying

186 – Calls out RC for bandwagoning when it’s what he has been doing – scummy

where did I bandwagoned?

247 – Bad argument that pointing out multiple players having scummy behavior is ‘too hard scum-hunting’ and thus scummy in manho’s eyes.

too hard scum-hunting is a scum tell, just like too hard trying to look pro-town, for me

263 – Yet another unexplained vote

lol, you are trying too hard scum-hunting. my vote was on RC long ago, and that was a responce for 262

337 – Yet another unexplained vote, but on Timeater who is no longer ‘in danger’

so you were skimming through the thread and accuse all posts that only have a vote? read 336

and how can you miss my 351/353 posts? the only reason is that you are just looking for possible scum tell to accuse someone, but not reading.

vote: magna

[manho]

I saw 351 / 353. What of them? Are you insinuating that they make you less scummy?

i actually think they are scummier than my voting without a reason things. and you are ignoring them as you are not reading but just skimming and looking for easy targets.

[manho]

@magna, it seems you've missed my response, so i'm quoting it again. bolded is my response, read it.

I read your response. I don’t have infinite time to respond to everyone at once, so please don’t make assumptions.

LOL

Glad you crafted a well-thought out response here.

i really can't remember why i voted him then...

the reason is clear

The same faulty reason that everyone else was voting for SSBF, that he voted along with InHim’s joke case? If so the reason is incredibly scummy since SSBF didn’t actually vote for Andrius while you ignored Timeater actually voting based on the joke case.

that is not a faulty reason then. and do you know what is pressure? it is those votes that made SSBF respond and made me so sure he is pro-town. so it is actually pro-town.

i really don't know what you are saying

I could say something condescending like “you just skimmed what I wrote, read it” but I’ll just simply explain for your benefit.

do you really think i need to skim through that line?

1. Good question. Re-reading through InHimShallibe's case on Andrius, it sounds like he wasn't really being serious about it. That could be difficult to point out if I'm ever able to do so.

finally you admitted not reading that case. why did you agree with it then if you hadn't read it? because you are the lazy scum who agree with any seemingly valid case, like imhim's case which is so long.

SSBF said he re-read through the case for clarity. You misrep horribly and say he admitted to not never reading it at all. I’m also starting to notice that accusing people incorrectly about not reading the thread is a thing you do often.

who knows whether he really read it or not?

too hard scum-hunting is a scum tell, just like too hard trying to look pro-town, for me

Please explain what differentiates passionate scum-hunting from ‘trying too hard’. Also you say these things are scum-tells for you. Habitual voting with no support is a scum-tell for me. Thus I pointed out that you repeated did so. If you expect other people to accept your personal scum-tells be prepared to accept their personal scum-tells also.

passionate scum-hunting is anti-town. you need to be calm when scum-hunting, or you will fall into tunnelling and OMGUS. but you are right, passionate scum-hunting is similar to too hard scum-hunting. it will try to drop it then, but trying too hard to look pro-town is still a tell of mine.

explain the scum motivation in habitual voting with no support, please. and define "no support" also.

lol, you are trying too hard scum-hunting. my vote was on RC long ago, and that was a responce for 262

You original reason for voting for RC -

vote: ReaperCharlie for that blatant wagon-hopping vote.

Your support for your revote at 263:

Just iso'ed ReaperCharlie. he has been scum-hunting, but too hard. he has accused half of the players. here is the list:

Timeater
MrSandman
SSBF
manho
Chronopie
Andrius

and his vote is jumping all around, but without much reasons. my vote stay and i'll make a case when i've time.

yes, that's the point. i can't find the reasons for most of the accusations.

You are accusing RC as being scum because you can’t find support for his votes while voting in that same manner yourself. Weren’t his reasons ‘obvious’ to you? Cognitive dissonance is a scum-tell. Also, what happened to that mythical case you were talking about?

"voting without support" is a support for my vote on RC, so my vote on RC is not a vote without support.

and you are avoiding my question. did you realise that I've already voted RC in 186?

so you were skimming through the thread and accuse all posts that only have a vote? read 336

Once again you miss the point. Timeater had already claimed and his wagon was dissipating by 336. That you chose then to ‘shift’ from scummy(in your mind) RC to Timeater. You chose the ‘safe’ time to vote for Timeater under any combination of scum and town between the two of you. It’s opportunistic.

so are you meaning i shouldn't be voting Timeater, after the wagon started to dissipate? It was near deadline then, and the leading wagon is still Timeater and SSBF. I've a town read then on SSBF, so i was supporting that counter-wagon.

also, in the VC in post 374, Timeater still lead in votes, so it was not dissipating then.

i actually think they are scummier than my voting without a reason things. and you are ignoring them as you are not reading but just skimming and looking for easy targets.

I already laid out why I believe those posts are null-tells so your belief that they are scummier than your constant non-supported voting doesn’t really impact me. So please stop incorrectly stating that I’m skimming, but feel free to continue to own up to your scummy play in other places.

i've only casted 3 votes, before that post by you. the first one on SSBF is the only one without much support, while the second one on RC has a well-stated reason behind it in the same post, and the third one is needed in that given situation. so i'm not constantly voting without support. i'll stop stating you are skimming then.

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Two questions –

1. Since he (Timeater) was your last vote and you were ‘sure’ SSBF was Town do you think he is scum or were you just looking for a place to park your vote?
2. If you thought he is scum why haven’t you addressed him today?

Timeater is a counter-wagon for SSBF, and i don't see him as highly scum but only neutral-to-scum, but that is good enough for me. my top suspect was RC then.

[manho]

V/LA until 14/6

[manho]

Timeater is a counter-wagon for SSBF, and i don't see him as highly scum but only neutral-to-scum, but that is good enough for me. my top suspect was RC then.

Following up on this – RC, your top scum-read at the end of Day 1, is dead. Who are your top three suspects?

i'll need some time to check my top 3 suspects, but the top suspect is Magno, for now.

[manho]

ok, timeater is scum.

VOTE: bv310VOTE:

[manho]

VOTE: bv310

[manho]

@magna, maybe you should ask mith to fix your posts, or it is just me that get the code?

[manho]

it is hard to do the iso now, but i still did it on MPR.
MPR go up to 2nd in my scum list. the 1st is timeater/bv310. magna drop out of the list, and the 3rd place is now vacant.

[manho]

Vote Count!

Timeater (3): inHim, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly
MagnaofIllusion (2): CMAR, MehPlusRawr
Chronopie (1):Plum
Plum (1): Chronopie
bv310

Not voting (2): Timeater, Andrius

Day 2 ends at June 21st at 2:54 PM!

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch!

Mass rpdo going out soon.

bv has replaced timeater. and i've voted bv.

[manho]

magna is at least scum hunting. so why not lynch someone who don't care about reading, like bv, first?

[manho]

i'm not saying magna shouldn't be lynched, but that bv is a better lynch.

and what's the case on magna?

[manho]

@ MPR: Secret info like a current game? /

That's a possibility.

This sounds like some sort of soft claim.

This sounds like

some sort of

role fishing.

[manho]

@ani

, you missed me in the VC. bv has replaced timeater.

VOTE: bv310

[manho]

Awwwwwwww, look at these three:

bv310(3): inHim, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly

Timeater (3): inHim, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly

It's sooooooooo cuuuuuuute, awwwwwww - Anyone who quick votes BV before the deadline will be punished. Do NOT let a no lynch happen. MoI is scummiest based on Sandman, R_C's flip, and his fail arguments.

bv replaced timeater, so the voters are the same.

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@ani

, you missed me in the VC. bv has replaced timeater.

VOTE: bv310

Your stil lvoting for bv, correct?

Also, deadline is Today (my Timezone is EST)

not now with the deadline.
UNVOTE: bv310
VOTE: magna

[manho]

i think that's the hammer.

[manho]

i'm pro-town.

i don't oppose the massclaim.

will read later.

[manho]

lie detector can tell whether someone is lying, so the person writing the sentence is essential. he should be investigating, say, "manho said "I am pro-town" ", but not just the sentence.

[manho]

i got lost in this game. will catch up soon.

[manho]

V/LA until LeBorn James signs with the Bulls, ie. July 1.

[manho]

back from V/LA

wait for my turn to claim...

[manho]

Lanto John, Guest, VT

[manho]

do we have a full claim from slysly yet?

[manho]

so this is what we got from massclaim:

1. Chronopie - Bullet-proof - ??? - ???
2. MehPlusRawr - Vanilla - ??? - ???
4. SlySly - Lie Detector - Kaleo Ekewaka - Manager
5. bv310 - Vanilla - Aucaman Ujarak - Guest
6. InHimshallibe - Vanilla - Itsuki Pippin - ???
7. Andrius - Vanilla - Marcel Adrian - Staff
8. CryMeARiver -??? - ??? - ???
10. manho - Vanilla - Lanto John - Guest

i doubt the name and rank matter much, but i still would like a full claim.

[manho]

edited massclaim:

1. Chronopie - Bullet-proof - ??? - Guest
2. MehPlusRawr

kyle99

- Vanilla - ??? - ???

4. SlySly - Lie Detector - Kaleo Ekewaka - Manager

5. bv310

Timeater

- Vanilla - Aucaman Ujarak - Guest
6. InHimshallibe - Vanilla - Itsuki Pippin - ???
7. Andrius - Vanilla - Marcel Adrian - Staff
8. Furry

CryMeARiver

-Vanilla - Ewald Agaipos - Guest
10. manho - Vanilla - Lanto John - Guest

the uncounterclaimed lie detector should be confirmed, as ani has said that all the roles will by default given to a townie, unless otherwise stated, like the mafia godfather n2.

but chronopie the bp is still not confirmed, as we don't even know if there is a bp. and a vig with a bullet-proof goon is a good option as it may be more balanced than a vig with bullet-proof townie.

and i think the cop should claim, if he has 2 more confirmed town for us. it will give us 4 confirmed vs 4 unconfirmed with 2 scum in it. we will have a 50% chance to hit scum even if we random lynch one of the unconfirmed. although we would most probably lose our cop, it won't be too much a lost for us, comparing with our lie detector got nightkilled. if the cop don't claim now, he should claim tomorrow, he will surely be nightkilled tomorrow night, so it will make 2 consecutive kills for the cop and lie detector no matter what. and i think our lie detector is as good as our cop (slysly should ask the mod to clarify the ability, such as to what extense can it detect a lie), maybe better if it can detect a lie from the godfather. therefore, imo, the benefit of the cop claiming is larger than him not claiming.

[manho]

Result from me:
N1: MoI - guilty
N2: slysly - innocent

[manho]

Vote Chronopie

Cop should target inhim
LD should target manho

I think all remaining scum are in those three.

Will explain it all later.

i agree with chronopie and inhim. MPR follows as the 3rd suspect, but far from the other 2.

[manho]

@ manho: So why don't you agree with LD targetting you? Got something to hide?

i know, for sure, that i'm town, so it will be a waste of the LD ability on me.
you won't agree with a LD targetting you, will you?

[manho]

i think slysly should state clearly who he wants the cop should target. it can avoid both targetting the same one, and make the scum guess who's the cop if they need to kill the cop.

[manho]

imo, lie detector can check for godfather, but cop can't, so i think it is better to ask the slysly to check someone higher is everyone's scum list.

my thought:
lynch chronopie,
lie detect imhim,
cop MPR

by elimination, scums are probably chronopie and imhim, with MPR as the third suspect.

[manho]

consider my suggestion again, slysly. stated who you want the cop to check. if that person is the goon, the scum will need to kill the cop instead of you. chronopie is the most likely non-GF scum, and can be investigated tonight by cop. we can lynch imhim today instead. slysly can check whoever you think are scum.

[manho]

VOTE: inhim

[manho]

we can't investigate a godfather, only the lie detector or a flip on lynch and out a godfather. we can stand a mislynch now, and we should use it on the godfather. we shouldn't waste a lynch on the goon and make our cop useless. chronopie is the only one the cop can check.

let's lynch inhim/MPR first.

[manho]

and we are not going to waste a cop investigation.

[manho]

chronopie is the only one the cop can confirm, as he can't be the godfather.

[manho]

there is a godfather in-between us. say we lynch chronopie today, and he flipped scum bullet-proof, we will have a godfather left. as the godfather is investigation-immune, the cop will be useless.

[manho]

i don't think he will pull that BP claim as a godfather.

[manho]

Ok wait. If we're really certain Chrono's scum, why not lynch him now? It seems stupid to let him live, if we know he's scum.
That's why they lost Greek Mythology (to me- winner): they knew I was scum they just didn't lynch me so they could find my buddies.

Unvote, Vote: Chrono

no, we don't know for sure that chrono is scum. just that the probability is really high. on the off chance that chrono is town, we can save this mislynch on chrono.

[manho]

iirc, i'm pretty sure imhim is scum. i'll read him again to see if i can get a case on him.

[manho]

iirc, i'm pretty sure imhim is scum. i'll read him again to see if i can get a case on him.

PSA: you can get a case on anyone with the right mindset.

Please watch out for some serious manho-spin, ladies and gents.

it seems that my recall is wrong. it must be someone else or in the other game.

[manho]

Ok, deadline is in 2 days. Do we have an alt. wagon, since we're keeping Chrono for the Cop?
I can do a readthrough if need be.

inhim, andrius, or MPR

[manho]

deadline is today. we need to lynch inhim.

more inhim vote please!!!

[manho]

i'm still vanilla.

our new power role should stand up and CLAIM BULLET PROOF.

[manho]

Even if they're an RB?

srsly though. I am a BP.

yes, EVEN IF YOU ARE RB, CLAIM BULLET PROOF.

we need to protect our power roles, and by this way the scum need to decide to kill the new power role or not.

so, don't claim your choice.

[manho]

VOTE: chrono

i don't believe the lynch-proof thing.

[manho]

who've blocked the scum?

but wait, it may be the gambit by the scum to intentionally no-kill and get a mislynch.

[manho]

N3 choice: BP.

[manho]

Okay, we have a BP. That's probably what caused there to be no kill last night. He's probably not going to be targeted again, and if he claims now, he'll be confirmed town. Any downsides to this that I'm missing?

I am not sure if the RB factors into play. If the RB was useable last night, the game should be over unless the RB targeted the BP along with scum.

It would make the RB, BP, me and RBed VT clear.

However all we probably need to do here is lynch manho. If the game is not over we can massclaim tomorrow.

the RB last night is not useable yet.

and why would a RBed VT clear? there are 3 ways for a kill-less night, 1 is the scum hit the BP, 1 is the RB blocked the scum, 1 is the scum no kill. so the RBed VT is definitely not cleared.

and i think we should no lynch until the scum kill go through. if you lynch me now, 5 left to go to night, then 1 killed by scum, makes 4 tomorrow, which is MyLo. the scum can fake claim and make a 1-to-1 situation, then the town need to kill the correct one. it makes a 50% chance scum win.

but if we no lynch now, the scum need to kill someone or we can all get a role. if a kill go through and 5 left to go to day, we'll still have the mislynch needed when facing the 1-to-1.

VOTE: no lynch

[manho]

Guys, should the BP claim or not? He's almost definitely what stopped the kill last night.

i think so, as there is no loss for town to out the BP. the scum already know who the BP is.

[manho]

Okay, we have at least 3 PRs left, barring the second night. They will be confirmed town if they claim. There are 3 possible lynches if we massclaim- the VTs. We (probably) have two mislynches. We'll probably get another PR tonight, which would mean 4 confirmed town, or 3 if one of the PRs was killed.

Today: Massclaim, lynch a claimed VT.
Tonight: Probably get a new PR, and probably have a PR die.

Tomorrow: Have 4 people alive, 3 of which are PRs. The other is scum. Lynch him.

Is this messed up in any way? Even if we don't get a PR, I think we can lynch the scum without a 100% chance of it .

scum will fake claim the new PR, and we didn't have the mislynch needed to lynch both of them, so this plan fail.

[manho]

consider this plan:

today: no lynch
tonight: probably get a new PR, and probably have a PR die
tomorrow: have 5 people alive, 3 of which are PRs. massclaim, if we have 4 PRs, lynch both the duplicated PRs. if we have 3 PRs, lynch both the VTs.

[manho]

If we get a role choice, again we go with RB/Doc/tracker

we shouldn't go with the RB. we probably have a RB now, either we have the RB claimed now, or we can't have another RB. 2 RBs will let the scum slip in as a third RB and we can't lynch all 3.

[manho]

i'm still vanilla, so roleblocking me is good enough to clear me tomorrow.

ignore my previous post, we can massclaim and also stated when did they get the role. it can separate a N4 RB and a N5 RB.

[manho]

So, I was looking for a way to save the mafia team, and I found what may be a good role for them.

I'm so happy.

NOOOOOO

i haven't won a single game for so loooooong. and my other 2 current games is losing, sooner or later. don't spoil my only chance of winning.

[manho]

So, I was looking for a way to save the mafia team, and I found what may be a good role for them.

I'm so happy.

NOOOOOO

i haven't won a single game for so loooooong. and my other 2 current games is losing, sooner or later. don't spoil my only chance of winning.

Pshhh. Town will win Harry Potter. D'oh. Have faith.

HP is the third one.
and don't talk about current games.

[manho]

NO ONE VOTE FROM NOW ON.

with 5 alive, that's 3 to lynch, and 2 votes needed to be executed.

i voted for the executioner.

[manho]

i agree with a massclaim.

@furry, claim the result AFTER the massclaim.

[manho]

Lanto John - Guest - Vanilla

[manho]

... slow game is slow.

blame inhim for not being here and claiming.

[manho]

I am going to be very upset if I have to actually read this game beyond iso of votecounts.

Going to see if that makes me happy enough to lay a vote down.

we are using FoS as an alternate vote now. and it's your turn to give your result.

[manho]

EBWOP: Probably not a Miller if you got Innocent after that. :/ And didn't Chrono say he was Unlynchable or something?

chrono probably is lying and hope we believe it and not lynching him.

[manho]

Hard to explain without quoting a result. My result could have been interpreted as either, while it expicitly said guilty, it was worded in a way that made me think it was a mod error, when I asked it was revealed as such.

does it fit a godfather?

[manho]

just back home after watching inception. so many thoughts in my head, and i need a sleep now.
don't go into my dream and steal anything. my role pm is locked deep into my mind.

[manho]

V/LA until 2/8, preparing for the orientation camp.

[manho]

back from V/LA

i totally don't understand the 4-man scumteam theory, furry.

[manho]

got it. but we are in mylo, not lylo.

vote: no lynch

[manho]

hope that the mod won't introduce another bastard role again.

[manho]

where is everyone?

vote no lynch now and have the win tomorrow.

[manho]

anyone has anything new to share?

[manho]

@ manho: What new information should could we have?

i don't know. may be a secret role assigned or anything.

[manho]

i don't care about it now.

vote: inhim

hope that he is the last scum.

[manho]

V/LA until 14/8

i may have access to the internet, but i dunno.

[manho]

unvote

[manho]

ok i'm back.

[manho]

and what should we do now? i really think inhim is scum.

[manho]

so who's the scum?

[manho]

If that's at me, its obviously you or InHim.

me and inhim are the only 2 choices here, as you and ythan have enough time to vote and execute inhim. so which one do you think is scum?

[manho]

If that's at me, its obviously you or InHim.

me and inhim are the only 2 choices here, as you and ythan have enough time to vote and execute inhim. so which one do you think is scum?

You're implying that we pick incorrectly.
You're also implying something else: in order for scum to execute InHim, you have to be the last scum. (Assuming that InHim wouldn't suicide via Execution.)

no, i'm implying you and ythan are not scum. consider if ythan is scum, and he saw a vote on inhim already, then he can simply vote inhim, and as there would be 2 votes on inhim already, so ythan would have executed inhim and win. as it didn't happen, ythan is not scum, for sure. the same argument apply on you too.

[manho]

as i know i'm not scum, it has to be inhim.

vote: inhim

[manho]

vote: manho

- his earlier vote on me is lolz.

I guess if it's Andrius then GG anyway, as manho isn't backing down. manho's been suspected for a while though. Lemme go digging.

if it's andrius, then he's shit as he got the chance to win earlier but didn't do it.