Mafia 1010 - Perpetual MyLo - Game Over

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blue townie yesh

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So far,
Scums are Reckoners and KnightofZero.
Towns are Exilon and SD.

- Exilon sounds genuine in his acusation, though it is wrong.
- SD made a reasonable explanation for why Perpetual Lylo would give us more chance to win than Perpetual Mylo.
- Reckoners and Knight jumped on SD as Exilon suggested bandwagoning, focussing more on SD's supposedly OMGMUS vote instead of his valid reasoning for voting. --> Blatant scum tell.

Vote: KnightofZero

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@Reck: Wow, even more scum slip. From your action I can infer that you like bandwagoning. So why are you suddenly getting all overly defensive when a bandwagon is on you. I myself don't oppose to bandwagon, but the point of scumminess in your and Knight's vote on SD is you don't focus on his main argument to bandwagon but rather disgress on the minor coincidence that he is OGMUSing. Thus I see your actions as clear attempt to be one of the first to be on a wagon to lynch a town. And that makes me think SD is town too, Exilon is being taken advantage of and Knight being your partner.
@Magma: no power role so why not?

Since Knight is VLAing

Unvote:Vote:Reck

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Not adressing my argument but instead choosing to make jokes of your attacker will get you nowhere scum.

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Then Im awful because I voted you? Who's OGMUSing now?

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Wouldn't that be supposedly everyone's argument? That argument alone means nothing.

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And this game is supposed to test the town's ability to get every single town to agree on a lynch .. =.=

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What do you guys think of a day 1 mass-roleclaim?

What's the point?

@Reck: Wow, even more scum slip. From your action I can infer that you like bandwagoning.

What makes you say that?

Through the way he bandwagons SD to this

So SD's IIoA and mechanics-theorizing which doesn't count as scumhunting makes him town?

Also, bandwagoning is not a scumtell

, I don't know how far up your own ass your head is, but I suggest you pull it out as soon as possible.

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we're currently short of pages actually.

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@Reck: Wow, even more scum slip. From your action I can infer that you like bandwagoning. So why are you suddenly getting all overly defensive when a bandwagon is on you. I myself don't oppose to bandwagon, but the point of scumminess in your and Knight's vote on SD is you don't focus on his main argument to bandwagon but rather disgress on the minor coincidence that he is OGMUSing. Thus I see your actions as clear attempt to be one of the first to be on a wagon to lynch a town. And that makes me think SD is town too, Exilon is being taken advantage of and Knight being your partner.
@Magma: no power role so why not?

Since Knight is VLAing

Unvote:Vote:Reck

So no one would care to comment on my case? Not even Reck? I believe this is a huge scum tell right here and the scums are trying to divert attention away from it.

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@Reck: Wow, even more scum slip. From your action I can infer that you like bandwagoning.

Bandwagoning isn't a scumtell. ALSO I HERD U LIEK MUDKIPZ

Bandwagon isn't a scum tell so why act all paranoid when someone tries to bandwagon you? And don't call others your (pokemon?) please.

So why are you suddenly getting all overly defensive when a bandwagon is on you.

Because it was a poor bandwagon built on shitty logic.

Care to tell why it's shitty instead of making shitty fluffs?

I myself don't oppose to bandwagon, but the point of scumminess in your and Knight's vote on SD is you don't focus on his main argument to bandwagon but rather disgress on the minor coincidence that he is OGMUSing.

Is this even English?

Hmm .. It's more English than any of your posts have ever been. I'm guessing you are drunk again. And drunks don't understand English pity on you.

Thus I see your actions as clear attempt to be one of the first to be on a wagon to lynch a town. And that makes me think SD is town too, Exilon is being taken advantage of and Knight being your partner.

Positioning of voters on a townie's wagon is a null tell.

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No sir. I'm more inclined to believe the 1st few slots of a townie wagon are more innocent than the last few.

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Glad to see something productive here.

The actual ACT of bandwagoning in and of itself isn't a scumtell, because scum can bus and townies can be wrong.

However, the way in which someone bandwagons or the case(or lack thereof) which they use for support CAN be a towntell/scumtell.

Which is exactly why I'm accusing you of bandwagoning SD. SD posted some mechanic contents and you guys disagreed on it. Then you suddenly bandwagon-ed SD solely because he had an OGMUS vote, failing to point out anything wrong with his logic. This is even worst than bandwagon with a lack of case. This is bandwagoning with invalid and misleading evidence.

Care to tell me why you think this logic IS a good reason for voting me?
Reck discussed the possibility of using a randomiser to decide the lynch for today.
This suggestion is stupid in my opinion.
Therefore, Reck is scum.

I never said this?

No sir. I'm more inclined to believe the 1st few slots of a townie wagon are more innocent than the last few.

So then why am I scummy for being in the first slot if this is your belief?

Because you were trying to get on the town-like position of a wagon with unbelievably misleading evidence.

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So for Reck sounds genuine. I will consider backing my suspicion off him and look at the big picture. Now what I see is half of the players lurking/actively lurking ( one of the best ways for scum to handle games like this because a good strategy for town is to find connections between players ). I encourage all towns who read to speak up and speak a lot because I'm giving town credit to those who do right now.

@Reck: How do you find KoZ piggybacking your vote behavior?

NPIAU(/nopoint; what should we call you?) forgot to address something which I found important.

No, I'm being serious. I have no fucking clue what you're trying to say in that post. That second bit of the sentence is such a jumble of words and fragments that it's difficult to work out in my head, but I'll try to respond:

How exactly did Knight and I attack his OMGUS and what do you mean 'his main argument to bandwagon'?

I already explained it. Reck and KoZ didn't focus on SD's argument on game mechanics, but instead chose to vote SD over an OGMUS.

Your OMGUS votes are not really well justified. I can see so for Reck, but you voted me for disagreeing with you and believing that that strategy was scum faking a genuine attempt at helping town. Also you misread me, called me stupid, and didn't even bother to comment on my post which answered to you, simply changing your vote to Reck in a contentless post, which effectively does not make any mention to the reason you advocated as being the one for the OMGUS vote.

So, wanna keep burying yourself, or...?

Exilon, though he chose a wrong approach of accusing you, his intentions are nevertheless genuine. SD was speculating and would natural retaliate those who oppose his view ( and with what other than a vote ). Don't let your emotion get in the way and try to keep an open mind. The only reason I'm trying to persuade you to take a less severe stance on SD is that town tunneling town in this sort of game (where mafia has close to majority) is inherently self-destructing.

What I said that this town - every one, including me - desperately needs to stop to be a bunch of pissed of jerks blindly savaging each other. That will just cause town to turn against itself and give mafia an easy vitory.

I don't like this at all. so far I haven't seen people acting more distrustfully than what is usually seen on normal games, so why are you trying to make this look like 'chaos'?

The lack of objecticity in the attacks against me only allow three conclusions:
1.) The attackers where VIs who did not understand what I was trying to explain.
2.) The attackers where scum, trying to inhibit strategy debates, because a disoriented town helps scum (it is reasonable to assume that at least some of ther attacks had this motivation, could be associated with 1.), of course).
3.) The attackers where just over the top paranoid, thus not able to react rationally, like making their own calculations, actually trying to prove me wrong or to improve my strategy.

I don't think it's either of those. It could just be a town who has a different view from you. Apart from KoZ and maybe Reck and Magma ( Magma tends to active whatsoever alignment), I'm leaning towards town on most people contributing so far.

And the Lowell wagon I don't oppose to it. I don't oppose to any of the Moles/Lowell/Thief/Quoi wagon actually. I'd like to see more from them.

Unvote.Vote:Lowell

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Right, then.

From the first few pages:

SCUM:

nopointinactingup, Shadow Dancer

Whoa, suddenly someone calls you out and you're like all on that person huh?

The fact that SD continues to stick to his guns about LyLo > MyLo confuses me. Shame, if you hadn't, I would've been a lot more certain we'd pegged scum there. He is, however, being aggressive in his defence, which I dislike.

You sure sound agressive in your defense.

nopointwithalongname is scum for this post - it's either not thought through about LyLo/MyLo, or it's a blatant defence of a scumbuddy and a strategy which will scum a clear advantage. And his whole 'townie' first post gets on my nerves.

If you read it carefully, it's obviously not about the LYLO/MYLO ordeal. And it makes sense, even Reck agrees to it to some extents so why are you the only odd one out who doesn't find it reasonable? Also, are you so out of things to say as to mention my "townie" first posts as one of the reasons for suspecting me? You strongly accuse SD and me, yet your case is full of bs, scum mentality much?

Bandwagon isn't a scum tell so why act all paranoid when someone tries to bandwagon you?

Well, people tend not to like death. Just sayin'.

Especially scums.

Hmm .. It's more English than any of your posts have ever been. I'm guessing you are drunk again. And drunks don't understand English pity on you

Aggression? What are you, Shadow Dancer #2?

Again, contentless fluffs probably used to create a false sense of density to your case against me.

I find it curious how SD and nopoint have backed off RECK in the past few pages.
I don't like the Lowell bandwagon.

I'm not so curious as I've explained why I'm backing off Reck. Tunneling is hazardous in this types of game. I suspect KoZ ( your predecessor ) more for following Reck's vote on SD emphasizing on his flaw instead of point out his flaw.

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Also, are you so out of things to say as to mention my "townie" first posts as one of the reasons for suspecting me?

There's a word for this kind of bad defence, but I'm not entirely sure what it is. Can someone help me out here? It's trying to ridicule my case without answering it...

Because you don't even have a case. Point out something noteworthy I haven't answered?

So for Reck sounds genuine. I will consider backing my suspicion off him and look at the big picture.

That's all I can find for you backing off Reck.
Can you please explain what about him you find genuine, preferably with post examples, which show why you think he's now no longer worthy of your vote? Considering on Page 6 you were saying he had "Unbelievably misleading evidence". What's changed?

Nothing changed. There is only spawn of a new possibility that Reck could very well be a town who just doesn't realize his flaws. Why do I think he's genuine, because at first he was misunderstanding my accusation and reacted in a manner typical of a townie who thinks he is wrongly accused (Post #38 and the drunk posts). And when I explained my accusation, he admits to it, point out the possibility of the existence of different viewpoints and began scum-hunting more (#132. #145). His thought process are coherent and his emotional reaction relatively town-like so I don't see the point of tunneling on him when scummier fishes like you are out in the open.

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I didn't suspect Reck because he disagreed with SD about the LYLO/MYLO ordeal, I suspected Reck because he tried to bandwagon SD with an invalid reason. Thus, my accusation is NOT about the LYLO/MYLO ordeal.

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I didn't say SD was town because of that. I'm inclined to believe SD is town because I'm inclined to believe at least 1 of Reck/you are scum.

@Reck: Wow, even more scum slip. From your action I can infer that you like bandwagoning. So why are you suddenly getting all overly defensive when a bandwagon is on you. I myself don't oppose to bandwagon, but the point of scumminess in your and Knight's vote on SD is you don't focus on his main argument to bandwagon but rather disgress on the minor coincidence that he is OGMUSing.

Thus I see your actions as clear attempt to be one of the first to be on a wagon to lynch a town. And that makes me think SD is town too

, Exilon is being taken advantage of and Knight being your partner.
@Magma: no power role so why not?

Since Knight is VLAing

Unvote:Vote:Reck

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At the time you made that post (this is your ISO1, for reference), you had not made that case against reck, but still labelled SD as town.
In the same post, you made the quote:

- SD made a reasonable explanation for why Perpetual Lylo would give us more chance to win than Perpetual Mylo.

It's quite obvious that you meant that he was town because of that.

It was not until the next day, or your ISO 2, that you made that post about the link with xRECKx. My point is still valid.

No it's not obvious because it's not what I implied. Stop implying things to get your way. "SD made a reasonable explanation for why Perpetual Lylo would give us more chance to win than Perpetual Mylo", doesn't mean I label him as town. I become inclined to believe him town because he was jumped on in an unreasonable way. All you've been doing is posting fluffs about me and arkwardly twisting my words to get your case out.

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Someone explain to me the dissonance between this:

Nothing changed. There is only spawn of a new possibility that Reck could very well be a town who just doesn't realize his flaws.

and this:

I didn't say SD was town because of that. I'm inclined to believe SD is town because I'm inclined to believe at least 1 of Reck/you are scum.

This just screams fence-sitting.

I will personally explain it to you. When SD talks about game mechanics, I was neutral on him, but I see nothing wrong with his argument either, at least it is contributive. But when he was jumped on by the host of you and KoZ for an INVALID reason, I'm more inclined to believe he's town and one or both of you being scum. Where is the dissonance in that?

As I said above - his attack on me was riddled with flawed logic/theory. The entirety of his attack boiled down to "Townies wagon early; therefore, you're scum trying to look townie by jumping on a wagon early" which has no logical ground.

That's only part of my case, and it may be wrong because you have a different point of view. But what about the other part of my case that you never mentioned? That you jumped on SD with misleading evidence.

Caught up. Some thoughts:

20- reck suggests 'random lynching' [+, not terrible]
31- SD votes reck for being "sure" exilon is town [-, weak]
36- SD asks rules question [-]
41- destructor asks us to be "careful" b/c only two town are needed for mislynch [-, something offputting about this comment]
46- reck leads w/ 4 votes, SD has 3
50s- SD and reck show
64- magna moves from reck to shadow
69- nopoint joins reck wagon
88- more throwaway comments from SD [-]
100- lowell votes SD
105- magna unvotes SD
112- brian votes lowell for bandwagon hopping [-, two votes?]
116- david votes lowell [-, more parotting]
129- SD leads w/ 4 votes, lowell w/ 3
137- SD votes lowell
141- magna votes lowell [-, dodging SD]
154- nopoint votes lowell
155- mole votes SD

unvote, vote magna

fos SD

SD is a fine lynch, but probably not as good as magna. 64 looks a lot like

protecting reck from lynch by jumping on the leading alternative (SD)

. Notably, when SD then got closer to lynch (my 100), magna immediately jumps off AGAIN and votes.... no one. When another wagon starts to rival SD (lowell), he jumps on that to push it as well.

Magna's entire history so far seems to point to someone who wants to avoid wagons when they get too big.

If the reck/SD debate in the 50s was actually a lot of nothing between townies, then scummagna makes a lot of sense

. He wants both wagons to take off (they're both active and have enemies) but neither to be stuck to him should lynch arise. Even SD-as-scum fits with this profile, as magna's transition from voting SD to unvoting to then voting the leading alternative makes sense.

In the first underlined, you are saying Magma is protecting his scumbuddy.
In the second underlined, you are saying Magma wants Reck/SD town wagon.
So which is it?

Changed my mind.

Post more, fucking lurkerscum.

What's with the quick change? Is it because I'm insisting on your scumbuddy being scum and your other scumbuddy being lynched?

2) I think this is a fair point, however,

NPIAU's main focus was that Reck was scummy for wagoning town

, not exactly that Reck was scummy for being on SD. I could see myself answering the same way he did. Rather than proving town/not town, he chose to disprove the theory-based argument that produced that assumption. In the end, both possible "responses" (theory and town/scum) have the same objective.

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NPIAU's main focus was that Reck was scummy for wagoning town with misleading evidence

Exilon.

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@NPAU: what the hell was my 'misleading evidence'?

Haiz. I'm not going it over the 1 millionth time.

I'm not convince on Quoi, since this is the way he always acts. But I won't excuse his terseness forever.

I don't like lynching scum

just because of lurking.

Orly?

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Fortunately for you we do have time to waste on lurkers who push targets who are uninterested in defending themselves (read: easy targets) based off no reasoning.

Not defending yourself is strongly antitown.

Quoi, this is your reason for why Thief is hurtful to town, which is exactly what you are doing. So tell me why Thief is a better lynch than you when you both lurks, you both do not defend yourself but only you contradict yourself.

NO ONE HAMMERS UNLESS YOU ARE SCUM.

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Players like Reck are the opposite of what townie should be in order to win this game. I will push for his lynch tomorrow regardless of Quoi's flip.

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Having fun means differently to everybody and it seems you're the one who has an odd view of what having fun is. And who the heck is VasudeVa that you're comparing me to? Not like I care what comes out of your drunk mouth. And btw, you're the worse level of fail I've ever seen so don't start the hypocrisy now.