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I, [recruit's name], do solemnly swear by [recruit's deity of choice] to uphold the Laws and Ordinances of the city of Ankh-Morpork, serve the public trust, and defend the subjects of His/Her [delete whichever is inappropriate] Majesty [name of reigning monarch] without fear, favour, or thought of personal safety; to pursue evil-doers and protect the innocent, laying down my life if necessary in the cause of said duty, so help me [aforesaid deity]. Gods Save the King/Queen [delete which is inappropriate].I've made a huge mistake.-
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Though, to be fair, defending against jimmfinn's wiki-strategy was the most logical thing to do. I didn't sense any eagerness, just a question back regarding jimmfinn's vote.He seemed pretty eager to defend you against jimfinn's wiki strategy. Why did you assume my post was referring to you?I've made a huge mistake.-
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I don't understand. If your vote actually counts double, it's the most logical thingMysterio wrote:Is this a serious question? Obviously, the mod isn't going to reveal my power in a vote count. Have you never played a game with someone who had a double vote?tohave it appear in a vote count. Unless my irony detector is off.
And, is the double vote the power of "CHARISN'TMA"? In which case Mysterio would be Cpl. Nobbs?
I'm not saying these questions should be answered as of yet; just getting them out there...I've made a huge mistake.-
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I'm going toUnvote: Thor(my previous random vote) andVote: Mysterio.
No one pressed Mysterio at all for any information, yet he writes:
We knew from the wording of the mod's day post that the power would only last a day. Claiming townie when a roleclaim was not necessary seems absolutely bizarre to me, especially the talk of getting night killed.Mysterion wrote:Well, I guess I don't need to hide it anymore. Yes, my power is only good for today. Tomorrow I will revert back to a VT. Hence me not really caring about claiming early, since getting NK would only mean that town lost a VT.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I'm not referring to you claiming Cpl. Nobbs, I have no qualms about that, and your post above is absolutely correct. The bizarreness I was referring specifically to was in post #106, where you claimed vanilla townie:Mysterio wrote:Why not? It doesn't mean someone is being scummy because they're doing something that you can't figure out. In what way does my RC hurt town? Once you answer that, then you can start making the case for me being scum. So far, my RC is 1) uncounterclaimed, 2) revealed the nature of the CHARISN'TMA power for today, which can give us clues to any future powers it might give, 3) tells us that the main characters of Discworld are in use, so if someone tries to fake claim a really obscure character to avoid counterclaims (assuming no fake claims were given by the mod), we can call them on it. Although, even if fake claims were given, it depends on how many main characters are used. There are only so many.
You're going to have to do a little better, KHG.
I'd just like an explanation about why you wrote that. I'm not intending to be confrontational, that claim is justMysterio wrote:Tomorrow I will revert back to a VT. Hence me not really caring about claiming early, since getting NK would only mean that town lost a VT.Mysterious (ha) to me.I've made a huge mistake.-
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Emphasis is mine. Because scum would be stupid enough to lynch someone like that, without any prerogative evidence? You've been pressuring jimfinn pretty much singlehandedly. My vote will stay on you.Mysterio wrote:Yes, mass RCing does assume that the flavor plays a role in the game. I've never been in a theme game where the flavor meant nothing, but perhaps that's how things are done here. Obviously, if the majority do not agree, then it's pointless for me to try and pressure jimfinn. And with so many votes on him,scum could jump in and hammer.So, I'll Unvote: jimfinn.
Post and relationship analysis, as a start?Mysterio wrote:Here's my question, if we don't go the route of analyzing RC's to find scum, then where do you suggest we proceed?I've made a huge mistake.-
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I'd have to guess it was random (or semi-random), considering there was no night zero and no actions that could have taken place.VasudeVa wrote:Query: Do you have any idea why you were chosen for your power?
I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him. I will UNVOTE: Mysterio for now.I've made a huge mistake.-
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What does a post like this contribute? I'm 45.7% sure you're scum. My sources are the Easter Bunny and Ty Cobb.VasudeVa wrote:
70% sure this guy's scum.KHG wrote:
I'd have to guess it was random (or semi-random), considering there was no night zero and no actions that could have taken place.VasudeVa wrote:Query: Do you have any idea why you were chosen for your power?
I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him. I will UNVOTE: Mysterio for now.
Hi D2 lynch!
Not yet in any danger is hyperbole. My vote would be L-2. It's perfectly reasonable to want to hear someone's responses to the questions asked before voting for them as opposed to hopping on their wagon.VasudeVa wrote:
If this doesn't sound 'connection-y', I don't know what does. Unwillingness to vote hop on a wagon that's building up on a scummy player who's not yet in any danger is a good tell.KHG wrote:I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him. I will UNVOTE: Mysterio for now.
Which reads are you referring to exactly, Budja?Budja wrote:@KHG, can you elaborate on your reads?Last edited by molestargazer on Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:12 am, edited 1 time in total.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I don't like hopping on a bandwagon without wanting them to respond to some questions. I've voted twice in this game: for Thor, randomly; and for Mysterio, who I believe I was the first person to vote for. Nothing I've done has been illogical.EBWOP: @KHG: Aside from 'wanting to hear from him'. Even with your vote, He'd still be alive and we WILL hear from him unless he gets a coordinated scum speedlynch which is an awesome scum-tactic which all scum should totally do when I'm Town.
All you're doing is shouting names, saying "these people are scum".I've made a huge mistake.-
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I don't understand. I was speculating about the mechanics, and I specifically said these questions shouldPlum wrote:
ROLEFISH MUCH?KHG wrote:And, is the double vote the power of "CHARISN'TMA"? In which case Mysterio would be Cpl. Nobbs?
I'm not saying these questions should be answered as of yet; just getting them out there...notbe answered.
Was I asking Mysterio for any information? No.Plum wrote:
NO ONE PRESSED MYSTERIO FOR INFORMATION??? WHAT WAS THE ROLEFISHING ABOVE? ARRRRRGH.KHG wrote:I'm going toUnvote: Thor(my previous random vote) andVote: Mysterio.
No one pressed Mysterio at all for any information, yet he writes:
We knew from the wording of the mod's day post that the power would only last a day. Claiming townie when a roleclaim was not necessary seems absolutely bizarre to me, especially the talk of getting night killed.Mysterion wrote:Well, I guess I don't need to hide it anymore. Yes, my power is only good for today. Tomorrow I will revert back to a VT. Hence me not really caring about claiming early, since getting NK would only mean that town lost a VT.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see the distinction between "my role is VT" and "I'm a townie". I don't know what point you're trying to make with "ARGH", because I can't understand what you're trying to say when you don't finish your sentence.Plum wrote:
HE WASN'T 'I'M A TOWNIE' HE WAS 'MY ROLE IS VT'. THAT'S NOT SCREAMING ABOUT YOUR TOWN DRAW, THAT'S . . . ARGH. BUT in other ways he seems to be following some degree of internal consistency . . .KHG wrote:
I think it's pro-scum; why would Mysterio hammer the point home that he his a townie when no one was asking for a roleclaim?@KHG, my point is claiming VT at this point isn't pro-town or pro-scum.
I can't think of a single reason.
You're saying you want to hear from Narsis before moving your vote; I said I wanted to hear from Narsis before hopping on his wagon, and VV said I was his scum buddy.Plum wrote:Will reread Tasky later. Might move my vote to one of {Tasky, KHG, VV} depending on how my gut reads and feelings develop but NOT BEFORE we hear more from Narsis and I can gauge his reactions and play in response to everything.
I'm not voting for Narsis right now. I said I'd like to hear from him. Apparently, my not voting for him is scumlike, and if I voted for him, that would be scumlike.Budja wrote:@KHG, you did a very quick switch from Mysterio to Narsis. I'd like to know why (i.e your reads on these people)?
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Okay, Plum, I shouldn't have asked those questions.
I still don't see the sense in this, for the record, but it's not a pertinent issue.Plum wrote:I am a VT = I don't have any abilities.
I'm a Townie = Look guys I am so completely and totally Town, really super Town!
I amMysterio wrote:@KHG Now you've unvoted me and are jumping on the Narsis wagon. What about my previous scumminess has changed?notjumping on the Narsis wagon. As of this moment, I have not voted for him.
I was the first person to vote for you, Mysterio, and your later posts led me to believe you were pro-town.
Narsis has not posted over the last two pages, and I'll give him a chance to respond.
You're voting for Narsis simply because of "buddying" with Tasky?jimfinn wrote:I've decided that Narsis and Tasky are buddying far too much, especially in the light of the arguments made in #246. I've also been slightly appeased by Mysterio's attitude in his most recent post, even though I'm still a bit suspicious of his original insistence on the massclaim. However, I think it is worth the vote switch, so I will unvote VOTE: Narsis
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Narsis (5): Plum, Budja, VasudeVa, Thor665, jimfinn
Mysterio (3): Tasky, Narsis, FakeGod
jimfinn (1): Chronopie
VasudeVa (1): TheButtonmen
Not Voting (2): Mysterio, KHG
With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.Last edited by molestargazer on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:30 am, edited 1 time in total.I've made a huge mistake.-
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Whether I'm voting for him or not is far from a technicality. A vote is an instrument in a lynch, far more than simple interest in hearing a case against him. Mysterio's actions after my case against him (I was the first one to vote for him) appeased me, and he seemed townlike.Budja wrote:@KHG, Whether you are voting for him or not in a technicality. I want to know why are you interested in voting for Narsis rather than Mysterio who you looked quite happy to vote just a post earlier.
(i.e Why did you change your focus to Narsis?)
I haven't been fully pleased with the cases against Narsis to merit a vote. I'd consider casting one should further discussion have more of a palpable explanation.Thor wrote:@KHG - why no vote yet?
The great irony of this game, of course, is, had I voted for Narsis at this point, the subject now would be my wagoning.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I don't believe Narsis is worth voting for. That's not the absence of scumhunting. You've jumped from me not believing the case against Narsis is strong enough to me not wanting to lynch scum.Thor665 wrote:@KHG - if you're waiting for a case to become actually worth supporting what are you doing in order to help this happen?
In other words - you seem to be sitting on the sidelines and not helping, my gut says 'OMG, no scumzhnting means obvious scummorz, vote pl0x!!!' Why is my gut wrong?I've made a huge mistake.-
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Thor wrote:Where do you think I said this? (please offer the quote and explanation)
Maybe you were being trite, but I don't see the purpose in using language like that. I said I didn't see a case for Narsis, which is different from "sitting on the sidelines".Thor wrote:In other words - you seem to be sitting on the sidelines and not helping, my gut says 'OMG, no scumzhnting means obvious scummorz,vote pl0x!!!'
Perhaps I am truly "deficient", but I don't have a top suspect right now. I'll read through the thread when I get a chance.Plum wrote:Well, who's your top suspect right now? Sitting around without a vote on anyone is a common symptom of deficient scumhunting.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I'm not sure what you mean by the first part of that question, perhaps you could clarify? No one has made an argument against Narsis that I can agree with. If someone can, I can vote for him. That initiated early in the game, when it seemed the Mysterio wagon stalled, which I'll look further into when I have a chance tomorrow.TheButtonmen wrote:@KHG: Why do you always assume they are talking about Narsis when they mention scum hunting and whats your main reason for disliking the Narsis wagon?
What do you mean by unoriginal? I never used that word.Thor wrote:@KHG - I don't see how my comments were unoriginal. I do think lack of scumhunting is a scumtell - do you see any reason to disagree with me on that?
If yes, why?
If no, could you please point out some of your scumhunting efforts (I've clearly missed them).
I don't disagree with you. I'm not going to comb through my posts and decide when I was scumhunting; you can do that yourself, if you're interested.
I didn't show an interest in voting for Narsis so as much I said I was willing to vote for him, just as I am willing to vote for everyone. Perhaps if you explained what was soBudja wrote: ^ Explain this. Explain why you showed an interest in voting for Narsis. (and give me a proper answer this time.)improperabout my previous answer, I could attempt to give you aproperanswer.I've made a huge mistake.-
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Trite also means banal. That's what I was referring to. And, what, exactly is the point of an attacking comment like that?Thor wrote:You used the word 'trite'. Trite = unoriginal. Maybe use smaller words if you're uncertain what bigger ones mean?
It was a throwaway line. I meant that the evidence did merit my voting for Narsis at that time; I shouldn't have implied it was dependent on what he was saying next.Plum wrote:You clearly said "I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him." This implies that you were not merely willing to vote for Narsis (apparently that's default status towards all other players for you; if you were merely as willing to vote him as anyone else, why state it at all?) but actively considering doing so, depending on his responses. You were considering it, and you were interested in it. You never stated why you would be. Please explain.
Referring to Mysterio, his responses throughout the thread convinced me that he was pro-town.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I took trite to mean devoid of real meaning; perhaps I used it incorrectly. Do you honestly think a comment like that is the right thing to say?Thor665 wrote:Banal = unoriginal. But please feel free to give me your definition of banal and how you intended it in your commentary.
I used the attacking commentary because I was unamused how you were playing a definitions game to try to redefine the discussion - I still think you're trying.
You still haven't really addressed how I should find your scumhunting work yet. I still submit it's not there and all you seem to be doing currently is defending yourself (and not that well, if I may make a personal observation).
I said you can read my earlier posts and decide if I was scumhunting. If you think my actions merit a lynch, go ahead. I'm pro-town and the town would be closer to losing. You say I'm not defending myself well, but I don't know what to say. Everything's been said about this one post I that I said about Narsis, and maybe I got caught up in my words.
I'm Sergeant Detritus and I'm a townie.
Plum made a big deal earlier about the distinction between a townie and a vanilla townie (which I don't understand), but my role PM simply said townie so I'll leave it at that.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I expected something like this. Obviously there's less risk involved in lynching a townie than someone with another claim, so the town has comparatively less to lose.TheButtonmen wrote:Well I'm happy with my vote.
I've said what I've said, so I'll let you guys talk it out and decide. But if I'm lynched, look back at the end of the Mysterio wagon and the change to Narsis. I think a lot of relationships will be exposed there.I've made a huge mistake.-
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The seeming lack of enthusiasm for Mysterio's lynch without explanation from certain players. I don't have time to go through it right now, but I'll take a look if I'm still alive tomorrow.Thor665 wrote:What exactly about the switch from Mysterio to Narsis do you find scummy?
Now, I'd appreciate if you answered my question.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I don't know what you want me to say. I answered your question, then you told me my answer was inadequate without telling me why. I said I would consider voting for Narsis based off the previous explanations given. That was all I said, and I never moved past that point on Narsis.Budja wrote:KHG, you kept dancing around the point of my question rather than answering it. (I asked three times).
I'm happy to switch to this wagon.
unvote, vote KHG
(Still think Narsis is scum.)
I'd like Chronopie to speak up a bit too rather than just latch to popular wagons/reads.
Preview: Ironic, KHG, since that is where you are getting a lot of your scumpoints.I've made a huge mistake.-
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I unvoted Mysterio because I was pleased with the answers he gave. They felt town-like to me. It was an intuitive feeling.Budja wrote:
No, you expressed interest in joining the Narsis wagon after been pretty strongly fixated with Mysterio. You didn't mention any arguments that had convinced you.KHG wrote: I said I would consider voting for Narsis based off the previous explanations given. That was all I said, and I never moved past that point on Narsis.
Whenever I tried to ask me about it you focused on relatively unimportant aspect of my post while missing the direct point, "what had convinced you to change your stance".
You still have only vaguely giving me an idea of why.
I was unsure of the next time I could post again and thought I should get it out there.Plum wrote:KHG, you had three votes on you. Why did you claim?
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KHG (4): Plum, TheButtonmen, Chronopie, Budja
Narsis (3): VasudeVa, Thor665, jimfinn
Mysterio (3): Tasky, Narsis, FakeGod
Not Voting (2): Mysterio, KHG
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That's the only conclusion you can draw?Tasky wrote:then he claims at L-4 (3 votes)... talking of unnecessary claim...
at this point the only conclusion I can draw is that you are scum, who has a fakeclaim you believe to be good and at the first opportunity want to get that fakeclaim out in order to be cleared for the rest of the day (or maybe game).
I said I was unsure when I would be able to post again. As it turns out, I got a chance to.
I don't know how hard I'm trying, but it's in my best interest to make people think I'm town because I am town and it's easier to accomplish my win condition. I don't see how that's scummy.Tasky wrote:I think this post shows how important that claim is for you. You are trying really hard to make people think you are town. And that is scummy.
Tasky seems to be jumping to conclusions.
No sentences in particular, just your general reactions and tone. Sometimes that all you can go on. Posts #133, 142, 200 as examples gave me a better idea.Mysterio wrote:@KHG, let me ask you what specifically about my posts caused you to unvote me? Don't give me the generic "your posts seemed pro-town", actually cite a specific example.I've made a huge mistake.
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