Mini 974: Thrillville Mafia - Over

[Chronopie]

The way I read the Role Choices:

#1: Cop that cannot be Doc protected, Normal Doc
#2: Normal Cop, Doc that cannot protect Cops.

Either way, atm, the cop cannot claim w/out Dying. If we later have another doc choice, the new doc may be able to protect cops, so a normal cop is more beneficial to us.

#1 prevents the cop from ever being safe, so cannot claim, ever, without feeling the NK that night. (unless we get other protective roles i.e. bodyguard).

#2 is a cop that isn't safe, until we get another protective role, but only until then.

[Chronopie]

@CMAR: I might have been a little one sided in my analysis, but I value the info a cop can give us, over an inhibited doc. So I voted for a normal cop over a normal doc. Although atm the cop is unprotectable either way the vote went.

besides, if/when we have another doc PR option, I'd rather a protectable cop.

[Chronopie]

1) Option 2 (Normal cop, Neutered Doc)
2) So Far, so good.
3) The option that is most Pro-Town / Hardest for scum to bypass

[Chronopie]

Only if the mafia can have 6 kills. JK. No you can't

Can we petition for a role to be included? How about a quintiuple-voter, or someone who allows 2 lynches a day? lol

I petition for a reverse Governor. Rather than vetoing a lynch, grants an extra one.

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But seriously, can we ask for a certain research order?

[Chronopie]

Problem.

If they know what power roles are in the game, that means they know that they have a higher chance of hitting a power role.

Even if town has no idea on the new role, at least scums won't know either. Very, very flawed theory.

Wait, what?

How does the knowledge of whether we have a Macho or a normal cop (and other PR choices) make it more or less likely for scum to hit said PR?

Very flawed counter-theory theory.

[Chronopie]

@SSBF: But the PR choices are posted in thread, so the scum can see the same info on potential PRs as the rest of us. Therefore the scum have the same info as town on which PRs the town is recieving.

Therefore we know we have more PRS, and so do the scum. As we have more PRs, there is a higher chance of losing PRs to NKs and Lynches, of that there is no denying. But it doesn't change the fact that

The scum have the same info we do

for PR choices.

[Chronopie]

I picked #2 bc as I said before, I prefer a cop that can

Later

come out with their results, and be protected by any other doctors we pick up by then, despite also choosing a doc that, for all intents and purposes, is neutered. It's better than a cop that will be nearly guaranteed NK'd after claiming.

[Chronopie]

@Mod: Check my sig, V/LA

[Chronopie]

/prodded.

fyi ani: It's already monday here. Assignment's a bitch though. don't take econometrics, seriously.

[Chronopie]

After a quick reread, I wouldn't mind seeing Timeater dead.

Vote:Timeater

[Chronopie]

Well technically mine's the biggest, it has 10

add the sticker to my collection.

[Chronopie]

Well I like my regular anti-town status... but You make a good point.

Unvote,
Vote: SSBF

[Chronopie]

Welcome Magna.

Unnecessary pictures are lol-worthy.

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I think he meant Apple Car

t

Manho might have been trying to earn town cred by saying

"look. potential connections, if he's scum, that would make me scum, lynch me next. (but I know he's not, for epic town cred, cos I was willing to go next)"

[Chronopie]

btw: option #1, not that that's going to do us any good.

[Chronopie]

Vote: Plum

Blatant misrep.

I noted other offenses of both, like Chrono arguing that knowing which powerroles we'd gotten would help scum hit them (it wouldn't)

Problem.

If they know what power roles are in the game, that means they know that they have a higher chance of hitting a power role.

Even if town has no idea on the new role, at least scums won't know either. Very, very flawed theory.

Wait, what?

How does the knowledge of whether we have a Macho or a normal cop (and other PR choices) make it more or less likely for scum to hit said PR?

Very flawed counter-theory theory.

My stance was the exact opposite to what you're suggesting.

[Chronopie]

and ftr, my lurking isn't entirely intentional. It's Exam week(s), so my time is significantly devoted to study (Cramming), with my High priority games (Which this isn't one of), coming first and foremost when I'm on a break.

[Chronopie]

Nup. Just that

intentional

misrep is a big scumtell. Plum explained her mistake satisfactorily for me, for now.

**Scuttles back under rock**

[Chronopie]

^[/color] tag fail ani. lol

[Chronopie]

also VC fail:

Plum (1): Chrono

Not voting (3): Chrono

Don't you have other things to do? Like cramming for Exams?

[Chronopie]

@Andrius: No point unvoting until I find another suspect. Not as though my vote is the difference between Plum Lynch and Plum L-1 atm.

@Ani: I take breaks, I (briefly) check MS

[Chronopie]

@MOD - When you get a chance can we get an updated offical deadline (I'm guessing it's the 21st based on your response) and updated vote-count please? Also a mass-prod if possible.

The issue I find with ISOing currently isn’t the lack of ISO feature as much as the lack of identifiable post number. I’ll be using quotes as much of possible to support the presentation.

ISO of Chrono –

ISO 1 – Discussion about role choices from Night 1.

besides, if/when we have another doc PR option, I'd rather a protectable cop.

Do you think the odds of a second Doctor role coming into a Mini game are significantly more than Zero? If so why? If not why bother even bringing it up for consideration?

I think we'll probably have a second doc option, near the end of the game

ISO 3 – Response to obvScum Timeater’s poll #1.
ISO 4 – Fluff regarding wanting an extra lynch and more role generation discussion.

How does the knowledge of whether we have a Macho or a normal cop (and other PR choices) make it more or less likely for scum to hit said PR?

Very flawed counter-theory theory.

First sign of anything remotely related to scum-hunting. Claims SSBF’s theory is “very flawed” but does not follow-up.

@SSBF: But the PR choices are posted in thread, so the scum can see the same info on potential PRs as the rest of us. Therefore the scum have the same info as town on which PRs the town is recieving.

Therefore we know we have more PRS, and so do the scum. As we have more PRs, there is a higher chance of losing PRs to NKs and Lynches, of that there is no denying. But it doesn't change the fact that The scum have the same info we do for PR choices.

Again argues against SSBF’s interpretation about potential nightkills without taking a stand on whether SSBF was scummy for his views.

Mistaken != scummy

ISO 7 – More speculation about additional doctor roles.
ISO 8/9 – Fluff

After a quick reread, I wouldn't mind seeing Timeater dead.

Vote:Timeater

His first vote in the game. It comes on May 31st at 12:19am halfway down Page 13. As I noted earlier in my analysis of manho this is voting well after Timeater’s claim (which is near the top of Page 10 and 6 days earlier). Timeater at this point is in no danger of being lynched (again see the timeline of votes in my manho analysis). Scummy.

ISO 11 – More fluff.

Well I like my regular anti-town status... but You make a good point.

Unvote,
Vote: SSBF

1. Why in the hell would like the fact that you play regularly in an Anti-Town (and I would venture to say scummy) manner?

Because its a) true, b) true, c) In my sig, it's that true
2. Bandwagoning SSBF at deadline.

We needed a lynch, NLs don't generate as much info.

Manho might have been trying to earn town cred by saying "look. potential connections, if he's scum, that would make me scum, lynch me next. (but I know he's not, for epic town cred, cos I was willing to go next)"

Active lurking at it’s best. He identifies something that manho has done that “might” be scummy while not following up or pressuring manho about it.

ISO 14 – More power role mechanics banter.
ISO 15 – Votes Plum for what he views as a blatant mis-rep (correctly, IMO)

and ftr, my lurking isn't entirely intentional. It's Exam week(s), so my time is significantly devoted to study (Cramming), with my High priority games (Which this isn't one of), coming first and foremost when I'm on a break.

1. Why isn’t this game a high priority for you? What games are a priority?

The one where I was next lynch, at L-2 at the time.

2. How does you explanation of your lurking being related to Exams cover the whole month prior to the post?

Study

ISO 17 – Says Plum has answered the mis-rep satisfactorily, but doesn’t unvote.
ISO 18/19 – Fluff

@Andrius: No point unvoting until I find another suspect. Not as though my vote is the difference between Plum Lynch and Plum L-1 atm.

How do expect to find another suspect if you aren’t scumhunting? Pro-tip - you clearly aren't.

I read, I think, I'll find another suspect. So I don't share every iota of my thought processes, != scum

In summary Chronopie is active lurking to a tee. He only has three posts THE ENTIRE GAME that remotely resemble scum-hunting. He’s kept his vote record to an absolute minimum.

To any Town players not voting for bv310 - Like his predecessor he's not going to bother to attempt to defend his obvscum play so why are you not voting for him? If you don't want to vote for him do you prefer a No-Lynch? Deadline is by my brief calcuation 4 Days away. The time to look for an good alternate candidate and start voting for them (Chronopie and MehPR I would also support to insure a lynch at this point) is rapidly slipping away.

[Chronopie]

What Inhim said. [/Anti-replacement post]

[Chronopie]

Can we lynch Chrono now?

Vote: Chrono

1) Why?
2) VOTE: MPR omgus

[Chronopie]

@Inhim: I don't geddit...

Why?

[Chronopie]

As far as I can tell, the suspicions towards me are based on Plum's misrep and MoI-Scums post-lynch post (top of page).

Any real reasons?

[Chronopie]

I think a massclaim is in order now. Any opposed?

I'm opposed, too soon.

It took me forever to figure out why Plum posted a pic of a goat. /fail

Why are we massclaiming though? We're not in lylo. There are probably 2 scum left, with 6 townies. That makes 8.
I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I don't see why we're going to massclaim now.

And should we claim N2 votes?

I voted for Lie Detector.

[Chronopie]

Lie Detector here as well.

Chrono, why are you OMGusing on day 3?

Because afaik, I could see no reason for your vote. OMGUS is similarly baseless. Once I find a better suspect...

[Chronopie]

Several reasons I don't support a mass claim:

1) Plum - Doc, RC - Vig. Deceased. Good power roles to have - which we do not.
2) Remaining P-roles: Cop, Lie detector/Famous Guest, +1 (from N1) vs. GF.

3) In a game this size, we can expect about 25% to be scum. 12 players. 3 scum? We've had one goon flip vs. 3 town flips. That means that we have a GF and a goon to deal with, and 3/6 town as PRs.

4) Given the numbers (6:2), a massclaim would be better held off for one more day, to coincide with mylo. (Assuming mis-Lynch + NK)

[Chronopie]

^Actually, with 3/8 as town PRs, is a massclaim a good idea? I'd rather not, but I'll abide by the majorities decision.

[Chronopie]

Uhh...

We were told to vote. Therefore I'd assume PRs...

(And super secret tech info - partially involving RC's vig flip)

[Chronopie]

Putting 1+1 together: We voted. RC flipped vig. [quote="Ani" ]POWER FAILURE!

Must've been becuase of that ejector seat.

You still have

2 choices

, but you don't get to know what they are.

Night ends on Sunday, June 6th at 9:27 PM EST![/quote]

[Chronopie]

Putting 1+1 together: We voted. RC flipped vig.

POWER FAILURE!

Must've been becuase of that ejector seat.

You still have

2 choices

, but you don't get to know what they are.

Night ends on Sunday, June 6th at 9:27 PM EST!

Quote tag fail. >_<

[Chronopie]

^You're right, it doesn't say anything about numbers...

Still against MC.

[Chronopie]

Uhhh... Bv... He (slysly) claimed already, and Plum was the doc...

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Hai Haylen

[Chronopie]

@Bv: the Plum - Doc statement was a reply for

That way, the Lie Detector can check these statements, and they're

not guaranteed to catch a bullet right away.

[Chronopie]

So we're def going ahead with the MC then?

[Chronopie]

He's flaked out of a few games on site in the past couple weeks...

We could just lynch him to save you the trouble.

Not as though we're going anywhere useful atm anyway.

[Chronopie]

Okay.

The reason I was sure that we had two roles assigned N1, and was against MC, is that my role is much less useful when outed.

BP townie (as of N1).

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MPR go!

[Chronopie]

Okay.

The reason I was sure that we had two roles assigned N1, and was against MC, is that my role is much less useful when outed.

BP townie (as of N1).

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MPR go!

We are on D3 now. How about an up to date claim?

Clarify thx.

[Chronopie]

Bullet-Proof.

[Chronopie]

Which is why my role is better not outed. Now the mafia won't be making fail-shots at me.

[Chronopie]

/prod dodge.

Where has everyone gone?

[Chronopie]

Well, CMAR is either cop, or the actual cop is hiding among the vanilla claims. (Or GF) Which is fair enough, as we have exactly 0 protective roles.

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I'm a guest, I'd have to find my PM for my name though. *Goes off to hunt through them*

[Chronopie]

We know there's a cop, given that we had a choice (N0) between a

macho cop + normal doc

, or

normal cop + neutered Doc

. The doc has flipped (Plum) but we weren't told which option.

N1 we had hidden options:

BP + Vig

(?). RC flipped vig, I'm BP.

N2 we had a

GF for the mafia

, +

Lie detector

or

Famous Guest

. Slysly claimed LD.

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Feel free to point out any scummy actions, a fresh eye will help.

[Chronopie]

Lawl. Open 216: Generic Reality Mafia (Over) -

AmishEd took over modding part way through, so the OP couldn't be modified

We played with a modified Hypocop Variant. Everyone gave an innocent

and

a guilty fake result. Although we (Scum, yes I was), had a tailor ability.

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but... http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=7307 Make sure to read the whole thread.

[Chronopie]

@Sly: considering you've already claimed LD, I don't think you need to HC.

[Chronopie]

Lack of invested interest in being 'cop' indicates non-cop.

[Chronopie]

How about: "Furry is Town" clearing the CMAR replacement will alleviate any suspicions there.

[Chronopie]

I really think we should lynch Chrono.

1. He's playing his scum meta.
2. My gut alarm is asploding.
3. He was one of Plum's main suspects, and Plum is a confirmed townie with a good record for scumhunting.

LYNCHITY LYNCHITY PLAWX.

1) It's also my town meta. meta-attack fail.
2) don't eat the chilli
3) Plum's misrep you mean.

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So manho wants MPR or Inhim dead, MPR accuses him of being scum with me (Tip: I'm not). but if we run with the (Faulty) assumption, as I'm BP, that would indicate that MPR would believe Manho to be GF. Manho even states that he doubts that a GF wouold pull a BP stunt.

If we assume that MPR is lying scum, therefore I'm really BP-town (Tip: I is), then MPR is deflecting the suspicion from himself and his (possible) buddy Inhim, on to the main suspect of the hour and the one that accused him.

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Since SlySly thinks he'll be the NK, we need to hit the GF today. Vote: inHim If we hit the GF then Chrono_Goon/non-GF PR will try to hit the Cop. So we need to hit the GF to keep SlySly alive.

Run this back by me. I think you're trying to say that I'm the goon, so instead look for the GF, so that the LD won't die in vain?

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: VOTE: MPR

[Chronopie]

Do I count as town for purposes of opposition

Seeing as the entire town is against me.

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But seriously, go ahead.

[Chronopie]

I'll take your vote

[Chronopie]

Well I figure, seeing as the rest of the town isn't going to believe a word I say, until the cop gets back with the result, that I might as well have a bit of fun.

[Chronopie]

IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY IMMEDIATE ATTENTION THAT SOMEONE HAS THOUGH I CHOSE BULLET PROOF TOWNIE TO GET SOMEONE LYNCHED. I DID NOT. IT WAS CHOSEN BY RANDOM.ORG

Ani used Random.org on the Category:Roles page. I complained that he's assigning the same role twice.

[Chronopie]

Even if they're an RB?

srsly though. I am a BP.

[Chronopie]

So no Lie Detector, no Cop, No Doc, No Vig, only a BP townie left, vs. a GF and a Lynch-proof Goon. Yeah, LP.

BP is a convenient alt-claim. and more believable next to a vig than claiming LP townie. tbh, I didn't know it was a vig until I NK'd him, but I'm glad I did pushed it through. I raged at ani because his BP townie choice seemed like an obv. ploy at lynching me.

And now the cop is dead too.

The cop is useless to the town now. We can leave Furry alive.

Push your fail Lynch on me.

[Chronopie]

This is funny to watch. With the vig dead, I'm immortal.

[Chronopie]

VOTE: Chronopie

FTR: I

Was

Lynchproof.

[Chronopie]

Claimed "Formerly" LP scum, with a cop guilty, who self-hammered. Yes.

[Chronopie]

@Ythan: not one-shot; conditional

[Chronopie]

Welp. That's all she wrote.

fyi: I was entirely truthful about being lynchproof. The conditional was until another faction's killing (a la RC-vig) flipped. we somehow managed to hit the newly assigned vig that very same night, so I was lynchproof all of 5 seconds. :/

-pedit: simul post w/ ani lol-

[Chronopie]

Thoughts: Roles should be assigned AFTER night actions. So RC-VT would have died, rather than RC-Vig.

Other than that, the balance wasn't bad. For the first few days. And picking a BPT for assignment that night was another nail in my coffin :/

[Chronopie]

I'd play your next incarnation of this game, provided that the balance isn't so skewed.

And surely, seeing as globo-joy have 50% control of the park, Andrius can just open the gate and let me back in to help stomp Ythan into the ground. rite?

(I was only expelled, not killed in any gory fashion)

[Chronopie]

Well I liked it.

[Chronopie]

Thus it (the roles) should have been assigned after the NAs. A dead Vig + A nullified LP Goon... might as well have had no vote that night.

[Chronopie]

So if he's a neutral survivor instead of a vig...

I can has unlynchable?

then mafia winz

[Chronopie]

Aww :'(