Mini 974: Thrillville Mafia - Over

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Hi guys, I replaced in! Will read the thread soon.

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I read the thread! Most of it was random stuff that wasn't game-related. Oh well...

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1. What option did you vote for, 1 or 2?
2. Do you think animorph is a good mod?
3. What do you think is most important when voting on roles?

1. I don't know.
2. Yes.
3. ...getting good roles? What's this supposed to mean?

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Kyle didn't vote.

When I choose roles, I'll choose the choices that benefit the town the most, of course.

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Is there an actual case against SSBF?

This. I read the thread and have no idea why he's at L-2.

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A sniper sounds like somebody who points out scummy things that a lot of people did and tries to lynch them all.

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Does anyone else find SlySly really scummy?

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I find the way Sly talks scummy. "Pretty scummy" "Rather hypocritical" I don't know why, but I think he's scum. Call it gut if you want.

First CMAR brings up the discussion about revealing our role votes. Later Timeater straight out ask everyone to reveal their votes. I am not opposed to revealing my vote, but I think this is a clear type of role fishing, which I find scummy.

That's not rolefishing. Anyway, in that same post, you pointed out like 5 various small scummy things people did but didn't push cases on any of them. You voted for timeater solely because Tim had the most votes.

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Oh, I meant to vote for Sly.

Vote: Sly

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Option 1. Bah, SlySly, I have no idea what to think. I'm tempted to assume that you always play like this.

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Bah, I would've wanted the second option. If it was like that, the Doc could probably protect every role but cops. But with the first option, the cop couldn't be protected if we brought, say, a bodyguard in.

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Vote: Chronopie

Look at him, the only thing he has posted in this thread has been about power roles, not finding scum.

That could go for other people, too. This game isn't exactly gonna win a "most scumhunting in the first 5 pages" scummy...

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EBWOP: Oops, 10 pages*

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That deadline snuck up fast. Jeez. We need to lynch someone. Preferably Slysly. >_>

Also, Mb is a 10-tuple voter? Judging by the "
Chronopie (10: mb53 "

Mod: I hope that's not correct.... O_o

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Hi Plum!

I thought I was clearly joking about the "10-tuple voter" thing.

With 5 days to deadline, I guess I should get on a wagon. I do like that nice pattern of 4, 3, 2, and 1 votes though.

Okay, just ISOd Timeater and SSBF, the latter is far scummier. If anyone wants, I can be bothered to post a bunch of reasons why, but whenever that happens, I post terrible reasons, as my playstyle involves me going off my gut on everything then using logic to help convince others. The logic tends to be bad, as it's not what convinced me in the first place.

Unvote: SlySly, Vote: SSBF

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Well, you continually tell people "less junk MORE CONTENT" while not providing contact yourself. You said that "the closest you have to a town read" is SlySly, one of my gut scumreads. Saying that lurking is a scumtell- I believe that it's not unless it's active lurking. Calling something that's not rolefishing rolefishing.

In fact, the only helpful thing you've done is ask the mod to extend the deadline.

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Hmm, if SSBF flips scum, there's a decent chance that Manho is also scum.

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I've heard that Sly does usually play like this, MPR

Danke schoen. I actually forgot that Sandy was in this game, oh well. We do need to do something about him.

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call me bussing if you like.

We will now call you Bussing for the rest of the game.

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What does the [spoilker] tag do, Ani?

I'm ready to lynch Sandy over this unless he comes out with an amazing reason.

Unvote, vote: Sandman

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Hopefully nobody, because I wanna hammer for the first time. Hope he's scum! (I've already provided my reasons for wanting to vote him)

Unvote, vote: SSBF

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Plum gets to hammer after all. >_>

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I'm glad I'm not SSBF.

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I voted for option 1! Too bad we don't know what the options were.

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You know, I kinda wanna lynch Manho. His "lynch me if SSBF is scum" post doesn't sound good at all, and I think that he's scum trying to get townread credit.

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How so?

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There is no "great contradiction." I never vote without some form of reason, however bad it might be. I'm not just going to post a hammer with nothing else in the post....

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@MPR, so you thought SSBF is scum or not at that time when you voted?

Why would I hammer someone that I didn't think was scum? Of course I thought he was scum.

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@MPR, so you thought SSBF is scum or not at that time when you voted?

Why would I hammer someone that I didn't think was scum? Of course I thought he was scum.

i think i can understand your thought when you hammered now. but i really hate people say "hope s/he's scum" when hammering.

Why?

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MehPlusRawr, are you Town?

Yup! How about you?

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Magna and Chrono.

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Ah, sorry, for some reason I said Chrono instead of Manho. </stupidmistakes>

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Let's lynch Magna now!

Vote: Magna

With his terrible summary and Sandman's lurking, I'm perfectly happy with his lynch.[/s]

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Whoops, I got a strikethrough tag in there accidentally.

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Nice misrep thar, Magna.

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Why should we lynch timeater over Magna or manho or MPR?

Lynching me is anti-town!

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CMAR SHOULD PLAY IN THE GAMES THAT HE'S IN.

That's a weird idea.

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4 – Questions why SSBF was at L-2. He doesn’t analyze who was on the wagon, bother to review the thread to find out why people were voting for him (hint – it was the whole ‘FOS of Andrius due to joke case’ fiasco), or even provide anything that resembles an opinion of other players.

I tend to skim threads when I replace in and missed that. I noticed it later as you've pointed out.

6 – As I noted in my read-through here he polls for support to see if others respond favorably to his ‘read’ on SlySly. Not a real commitment in any direction.

I play in a noncommittal way. That should be obvious by this point.

11 – Notes that mb53’s criticism of Chronopie (not scumhunting) could apply to other unnamed people. Classic passive defense of Chrono via undermining mb53’s point. Complains that there is not enough scumhunting going on. Note to this point he’s done none himself.

Define scumhunting. At the time, I was pretty sure I had found scum, SlySly. After reading his meta, I was far less certain.

14 – “With 5 days to deadline, I guess I should get on a wagon. I do like that nice pattern of 4, 3, 2, and 1 votes though.”. So keeping a pretty vote pattern is more important than actually finding scum?

Of course not, that's why I voted in that same post. It was just one of the general musings I tend to make.

“Okay, just ISOd Timeater and SSBF, the latter is far scummier. If anyone wants, I can be bothered to post a bunch of reasons why, but whenever that happens, I post terrible reasons, as my playstyle involves me going off my gut on everything then using logic to help convince others. The logic tends to be bad, as it's not what convinced me in the first place.”

This is horribly anti-town. Your gut obviously is far from solid as SSBF was town and Timeater is Obv-scum. Bandwagon hop #1.

So, bandwagon hopping. Do you advocate staying on a very small wagon rather then attempting to get a lynch before deadline when we're almost at a no-lynch?

15 – “Well, you continually tell people "less junk MORE CONTENT" while not providing contact yourself. You said that "the closest you have to a town read" is SlySly, one of my gut scumreads. Saying that lurking is a scumtell- I believe that it's not unless it's active lurking. Calling something that's not rolefishing rolefishing.”

The first line is hypocritical given his content free posting. Attacks a gut read made by someone else when his playstyle is self-professed gut-driven. The bolded sentence is telling because he’s saying that active-lurking – which he is doing – is the only scum-tell on lurking.

At least I've attempted to lynch scum. I'm not attacking the fact that it was a gut read, I'm attacking the read itself. And no, I'm not active-lurking. That would be posting stuff like "Hi guys inb4prod see you all 10 seconds before my next one. Also, I love chocolate."

19 – Is ready to lynch Sandman over lurking. Note that in ISO 15 he has previously stated that active lurking is the only scummy lurking. Sandman obviously just plain lurked since he flaked into replacement town. Bandwagon hop #2.

Flaking from a single game while posting in others? How is that not scummy?

20 – Suddenly is back to his ‘top’ scum-read SSBF. Includes WIFOMy “Hope he’s town” reach for Towncred statement.

"Hope he's town?" I said that I hoped he was scum. Freudian slip much?

24 – “I kinda wanna lynch Manho”. Another test the water statement. He doesn’t vote for Manho and his only attack point is the “lynch me if SSBF is scum” statement, which he asserts is “trying to get townread cred”. Hypocritical given his statement along the exact same lines in 20. Ignores that fact he asserted that manho would be scum WITH SSBF back in 16.

Again, being noncommittal is my playstyle. I changed my viewpoint based on Manho's ISO 23.

26 – “There is no "great contradiction." I never vote without some form of reason, however bad it might be. I'm not just going to post a hammer with nothing else in the post....” Wait, I though per 14 you played a gut-read based game, and post “terrible reasons”? Self-contradiction on its face.

Way to not nest apostrophes. Yes, I attempt to post even terrible reasons over no reasons. There's not a contradiction here.

29 to 31 – Previously mentioned buddying up to Plum.

I was thinking about the suspects in Plum's post, and said what I was thinking about instead of what I meant to say.

32 – Lynch MoI because of lurking (again, per 14 not scummy) and MoI’s list which conveniently lists MehPR in the scum-pool.

Oh, thanks for telling us that your posts aren't scummy. Nice attempt to put a third-person viewpoint on it though.

34 – Care to explain how it’s a misrep? It’s direct quotes. I’m not tearing apart your post to take things out of context (I can’t as your posts are mostly 1-liners).

Response was in response to your comment about my ISO 29-31

36 total posts – No significant scum-hunting at all. Active-lurking. Self-presents that he only can help Town with ‘gut’ reads.

As in all games. I love the role of vig, as I can go entirely off gut without getting bashed on by others.

I’m more inclided to move him up the scum ladder and say he’s more likely to be scum with Timeater than with manho as he avoids interacting with Timeater at all.

I have a town read on Tim. I don't need to continually post "Oh, hi, Tim's post doesn't change my read in the least. So, yeah."

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Yeah, I need someone to reinforce my strong belief that going through the actual MPR/Magna fight won't be really worth it in the long run and is possibly heavy distancing/bussing. Possibly not, but a girl can dream, no?

No, it's not bussing, as I'm not scum.

Hands up people who thought Sandy wold have been a good lynch yesterday assuming we could've gotten a claim. Now hands up people whose impressions of Sandy have been radically altered for the good by Magna.

I wanted to lynch him yesterday, yeah. I'm really not sure about Magna.

Response to Magna's long post coming.

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I play in a noncommittal way. That should be obvious by this point.

Name 1 Pro-town benefit to being noncommittal.

I didn't say that it was incredibly pro-town, I said that it was how I played. Benefits? Benefits compared to what?

Define scumhunting. At the time, I was pretty sure I had found scum, SlySly. After reading his meta, I was far less certain.

Why don’t you define it? It was your original complaint at ISO 11 that little was going on.

Attempting to find and lynch scum.

Of course not, that's why I voted in that same post. It was just one of the general musings I tend to make.

Again what Pro-town benefit was there to saying that you liked the 4.3.2.1 pattern? It’s the equivalent of saying “Also, I love chocolate”

No benefit whatsoever. What benefit was there from Plum hammering with a LotR pic, and whoever it was that posted the "Rock into Mordor" pic, etc.? Why aren't you asking them the same questions?

Do you advocate staying on a very small wagon rather then attempting to get a lynch before deadline when we're almost at a no-lynch?

No, I don’t when it actually is near deadline. There were 4 days between your hop onto the SSBF wagon and when he was actually lynched and Day ended. There was sufficient time for you to go to a Sandman bandwagon and then go back to SSBF. Are you attempting to say that there was not sufficient time to provide actual evidence other than you ‘gut’ read? Just to be clear you admit you just bandwagonned SSBF, correct?

4 days in an inactive game is a rather short time. I could be confusing this with one of my other many games, but IIRC, it looked like there wasn't going to be a lynch if people didn't act.

At least I've attempted to lynch scum. I'm not attacking the fact that it was a gut read, I'm attacking the read itself. And no, I'm not active-lurking. That would be posting stuff like "Hi guys inb4prod see you all 10 seconds before my next one. Also, I love chocolate."

Your first sentence is WIFOM and pointless, as every Town player is attempting to lynch scum and every scum player will say they are attempting to. Attacking a gut read just based on your own gut read isn’t Pro-Town, as your gut isn’t inherently superior to anyone else’s (as proven by SSBF’s Town flip). Active lurking is posting in an attempt to look active while not providing solid content. Which is what you are doing. Your scenario above is just plain lurking. See ISOs 5, 13, 21, 23, 35 and 36 as prime examples of the kinds of posts you mentioned in the last line.

Active lurkers don't even attempt to scumhunt. I think I already said that. I have attempted to scumhunt.

Flaking from a single game while posting in others? How is that not scummy?

Why did he flake? If you can’t give an non-WIFOM reason why a player, under no pressure, flakes for any particular game it isn’t inherently scummy. In looking at his ISO it was May 24, well before he was bandwagoned. Are you saying it would be in scum’s best interest to just stop playing?

If I can't, then what? I'm not saying that it's a good strategy for scum to flake from one game, but if they gave up, then that would be plausible.

Hope he's town?" I said that I hoped he was scum. Freudian slip much?

It’s a typo (Should have read ‘Hope he’s scum’), along the lines of typing manho as Chrono. So it’s scummy when someone makes a mistake in typing? I just want to be sure that where you stand so I can be sure whether your mistake in responding to Plum was scummy above the buddying. I also note you choose to ignore the inherent hypocracy of attacking manho for that exact style of statement.

According to you, typos are scumtells, yup. According to me, they're not. If you consider typos scumtells, then please refrain from making them yourself.

Way to not nest apostrophes.

You can’t attack the content so you go grammar nazi? Good to know how you play as fingered scum.

Nah, I always do that. You misspelled hypocrisy above, by the way.

Oh, thanks for telling us that your posts aren't scummy. Nice attempt to put a third-person viewpoint on it though.

You once again fail to comprehend the point. You yourself in ISO 14 say only Active lurking is scummy and that normal lurking is not. Then you attack me for Sandman’s lurking, which can’t be active if he flaked 9 days before lynch and never posted again. You are showing cognitive dissonance by stating something and later directly contradicting it with your play. CD is a big time scum-tell.

Selective lurking is also scummy.

Response was in response to your comment about my ISO 29-31

I get that chief. Please demonstrate again how it is mis-repping you when I quote you ENTIRE posts word for word. Mis-repping is taking selective parts of a post out of context to make a case or blanantly saying something that was not said (aka manho on SSBF's re-read). I think at this stage you are just throwing Wiki-scum tells around in an attempt to distract from your obvious buddying up to Plum.

Drawing a false conclusion from the posts. I didn't even know there *were* wiki-scum tells.

As in all games. I love the role of vig, as I can go entirely off gut without getting bashed on by others.

Thanks for admitting you will not bother to pretend to actually look for scum in logical and supported fashion as opposed to just going by your ever-changing gut.

You're welcome, I guess?

I have a town read on Tim. I don't need to continually post "Oh, hi, Tim's post doesn't change my read in the least. So, yeah."

Having a Town read on someone doesn’t mean you stop analyzing and critiquing their play. Unless of course you are Mafia and then know for certain who is scum and who is not. I have Town reads on SlySly and InHim but don’t expect me to stop looking at their play.

Are you trying to say with a straight face you see absolutely nothing during Day 1 that Timeater did that was suspect?

Suspect? He did things that could be seen as scummy from a tunnelly point of view, e.g., the "Frenchy" stuff, but nothing to strike my attention.

@ SlySly, Timeater, CMAR, and Chrono – More posts / content please. I can’t keep town from disintegrating into apathy all by myself.

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V/LA until Sunday

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Magna, read some of the marathons I played. It's pretty easy to realize that I always play like this.

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What's "Theillville Mafia?"

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I have secret-none-role-related-info on Chrono too... I can't elaborate on that.

Hey, Plum, what happened to Magna being one of your townreads?

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Hands up people who thought Sandy wold have been a good lynch yesterday assuming we could've gotten a claim. Now hands up people whose impressions of Sandy have been radically altered for the good by Magna.

Eh, fair enough, but it looked like this quote came from a pro-Magna viewpoint.

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magna is at least scum hunting. so why not lynch someone who don't care about reading, like bv, first?

Wow, I didn't realize that to never be lynched, I just have to post walls of text!

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@ MPR: Secret info like a current game? /

That's a possibility.

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Okay, I guess the game's I was talking about was over now. Note that if I talk that way, I'm not necessarily talking about a game, but I was in this case. At any rate, he was lurky in Square Enix as scum, as was Dramonic, his scumbuddy. They apparently realized that they both lurked as scum. Chrono is lurking. And seriously, since when does "Exam Week" last an entire month? That can't cover the entire game.

FoS: Chrono

I'd rather lynch Magna but I wouldn't mind Chrono.

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Keyword: Week.

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Can we lynch Chrono now?

Vote: Chrono

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Lie Detector here as well.

Chrono, why are you OMGusing on day 3?

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Should we all say "I am town" or such, if we've all voted for a lie detector?

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I'm also pro-town.

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Wait, that might not work, because of the also. I am pro-town.

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Yes, it is protown, because we'll have a lie detector. Why would we massclaim now?

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Who says we have anything from N1? Scumslip much?

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Ani, was there two roles assigned like D1 or just one? Or do we get to know. :/

You don't get to know

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Alrighty. Popcorn?

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Haylen is in this game? Since when?

*facepalm*

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Wait,

both

marathon games? Play over a dozen next time!

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Oh, I think CMAR flaked. We need to replace 'im. >_>

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Hooray, now I get to see a creepy avatar every time I click on this! <_< Hi Haylen.

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Well, just saying, if a random dude covered in blood came up to me, and said "Hi, kid, want some ice cream? It's in my van!", I'd disregard his friendliness.

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Anyway, popcorn massclaim? Slysly chooses the next person.

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VT for now.

InHim?

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LA july 3-9, no access july 11-17. Replace me if you think it's necessary, but please PM me if you're going to do so. Sorry, unavoidable absence.

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N1: Dead since then.
N2: Guilty on Chrono.

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I really think we should lynch Chrono.

1. He's playing his scum meta.
2. My gut alarm is asploding.
3. He was one of Plum's main suspects, and Plum is a confirmed townie with a good record for scumhunting.

LYNCHITY LYNCHITY PLAWX.

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Manho and Chrono are obvscum. Lol, we can stand a mislynch? Nope, it's LYLO. And how do you know which is a godfather?

/me facepalms.

Yo, can people get on here and lynch these guys already?

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oh, I forgot we lynched scum. I guess it's not LYLO. But still, no, we're not going to plan on a mislynch.

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Wth are you talking about?

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Why not?

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Chrono is not confirmed BP. Actually, if he is, he's probably a scum BP, because there was a town vig.

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You're so obvscum it's not even funny.

I never understood the case on inhim. Summary?

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Why isn't Chrono dead? I am disappoint!

He's CONFIRMED SCUM at this point. We would not have two bulletproofs in one game.

Vote: Chrono

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@MOD: Can we get the same PR twice?

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Okay, guys, what were your N3 action choices?

I chose BP.

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9 people max voted, one more BP and we'll have confirmation that it was indeed a BP.

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Okay, we have a BP. That's probably what caused there to be no kill last night. He's probably not going to be targeted again, and if he claims now, he'll be confirmed town. Any downsides to this that I'm missing?

Magna and Chrono.

I was checking the night choices and remembered this- Tbh, I skimmed Plum's post, missed her chrono suspicion, looked at the playerlist, and decided that Chrono had a good chance of being scum. I figured I'd get yelled at for saying that, though, and said that I meant to type manho.

(Yay, 2/3 scum called flipped scum ^_^)

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How do you know we have an RB that used his ability last night? According to Slysly, you don't use abilities the night you get them, and we either don't have an RB or got one RB last night.

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l2readythan

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Guys, should the BP claim or not? He's almost definitely what stopped the kill last night.

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Okay, we have at least 3 PRs left, barring the second night. They will be confirmed town if they claim. There are 3 possible lynches if we massclaim- the VTs. We (probably) have two mislynches. We'll probably get another PR tonight, which would mean 4 confirmed town, or 3 if one of the PRs was killed.

Today: Massclaim, lynch a claimed VT.
Tonight: Probably get a new PR, and probably have a PR die.
Tomorrow: Have 4 people alive, 3 of which are PRs. The other is scum. Lynch him.

Is this messed up in any way? Even if we don't get a PR, I think we can lynch the scum without a 100% chance of it .

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by second night, I mean the one with the POWER FAILURE.

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Hey, guys, if I'm posting more than everyone else

TOWN IS DOING IT WRONG.

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It was already answered. Yes.

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Should we massclaim today, so the RB has a better chance of blocking scum?

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I'd like to take into note that the possible places where our equation might fail are:

A. Chrono. He's expelled, not dead. Maybe he comes back.
B. The fact that we might not get a PR tonight.

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Because maybe he'll see that we're game-breaking and not give us one. I probably wouldn't, tbh

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(Or, it could be another power failure.)

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"Yes" means that "Scum don't get roles unless stipulated that they will."

Anyway.

Vote: No Lynch

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I thought I was supposed to lock the thread, but I jst noticed Day was supposed to start yesterday. My fault.

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Next time, plastar me to death instead of plastering me to death. BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

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WHY DID YOU GUYS VOTE FOR EXECUTIONER OVER SAULUS?

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You receive a role overnight as soon as the day starts- you can't use it until the day's over.