Cereal Killers - Mini 1027 (Game Over)

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/confirm

Give me some time to catch up this weekend.

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Unfortunately, I am not done yet. I was going to jump in after reading Day 2 like I did with a few other replacement gigs, but this game is... the kind where I actually have to know what happened in the prequel. I'm going to finish up reading Day 1 late Tuesday evening or early Wednesday morning, and then I'll have content soon after. Sorry for delaying in an already inactive slot.

In other news, +1 to the requests to Robocopter87 to explain himself. +3 given that more than 24 hours have passed since said requests were made, and Robocopter87 has been around (and not just modding).

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Just because he acts bad doesn't mean he's scum. More of a VI type thing.

This is where we differentiate "anti-town" and "scummy." The latter implies pro-scum motivation.

I HAVE to have a scum read? Well.

Uh... being a bit more proactive to GET some would be good, yes.

/slinksbackintotheshadows

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Lynching who exactly?

This guy, of course.

VOTE: hiphop

I apologize for the long-ass delay. I've had papers due back-to-back this week, and I underestimated the amount of effort I needed to put into them. Now I'm home, my brain is shot, and I'm functioning on caffeine. Doesn't make anything I'm about to say less valid, but coherency may be an issue.

Uh. Progress. I'm missing a small-ish chunk of Day 1. It's not bad enough to render me absolutely useless, but the information I'm missing is significant enough that it's giving me question marks on two slots (jenniwren, SpyreX). Everyone else and SpyreX are on various points of the continuum.

Okay. Wagon. Uh. Yeah. I trust most of the people on the Robocopter87 wagon as far as I can throw them (and maybe not even then), so if I go on that basis alone, I do not support the wagon. The soft claiming is a bit... irksome, though. I need to sleep on it, probably quite literally. >_>

Uh. XScorpion wagon. If I go off what I know from this game, I'd be willing to support this wagon, but SpyreX's defense is... I don't know. It's not like I trust the guy (I don't), but the way he's defending Robocopter87 and XScorpion reminds me of the way he defended charter, so I'm willing to pass on the XScorpion wagon for now. Bleh.

jenniwren. I know absolutely nothing about jenniwren. Sorry. I'll have to get back to you on that.

Okay. Instead of saying who I want lynched (which can easily be summed up in two words), I'll just say who I'm not lynching today: Benmage, Robocopter87, Super Smash Bros. Fan, XScorpion. Everyone else I am willing to string up, with varying degrees of desire. YES, DESIRE, DAMMIT.

MOD: Is deadline 2 PM CDT?

Yes

Okay. So... assuming the answer to that question is yes, I'll definitely be on sometime before that, but I will not be on at deadline. Just warning you guys ahead of time.

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Why?

It's close to deadline. You're a viable wagon, and you're on my list of people I'm willing to lynch today.

I second the request for deadline extension.

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This extension issue sure has thrown a wrench into things.

If there is no extension, I will not be here to move my vote, so please get a lynch in if that is the case.

And for that lynch, I'd prefer it if it weren't Robocopter87 or XScorpion on the chopping block. I have already stated why, and I still stand by that reason.

SpyreX, just hop on the hiphop wagon, please. Unless we get the extension, you're not going to have time to convince five other people to jump on the jenniwren wagon (and I don't have time to finish reading the case and evidence).

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This game is going to give me a headache. ...which I kind of need.

The fact that hiphop added flavor information gives his claim +10 credibility. Robocopter87's absolute refusal even at this juncture makes me nervous and sends me into WIFOM hell. Ugh. Right now, between the two leading wagons, I'd pick Robocopter87 over hiphop for the aforementioned reason.

Super Smash Bros. Fan calling out Robocopter87's comment as AtE is interesting. I'll keep this in mind for Robocopter87's flip.

Unvote, Vote: Robocopter87

L-1

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Tick, tick, tick...

BOOM.

Being so close to deadline makes it difficult to read voting behavior, but xvart... woah.

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XScorpion, what's your reasoning behind shooting xvart?

In other, also unfortunate, news, I have to leave for a bit, and being the lazy prick that I am, I didn't do much reading during the night round. Unless I'm assigned an ungodly amount of writing before Wednesday, though, I should be okay with doing that reading as soon as this is over:

V/LA until September 14

PREVIEW EDIT: Ninja'd by Benmage.

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Uh... WTF? One-shot nurse?

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Cap'n Crunch is loved by many, but he can do naught but "crunch-a-tize" his fans. In other words, I am a vanilla townie.

SpyreX, claim.

XScorpion, scummy enough to overrule any other scum reads you had? >_>

More later.

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WHy Spy, and who do you think is scum?

I wanted some insight into why he's been acting the way he has. Given his claim now, top 2 would be Kirbyoshi and XScorpion. I can't wrap my head around why a town XScorpion would shoot xvart, and Kirbyoshi is a gut read. Kirbyoshi hasn't posted today, and I have half a mind to suggest a speedy No Lynch.

This V/LA is going to be extended by a few hours, so insert my brand new signature of "More Later" here.

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Actually, scratch what I said about Kirbyoshi. Looked at him in iso, what irked me before doesn't irk me now given the flips.

I also don't know why I was so against the XScorpion lynch yesterday. I feel stupid now. >_<

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Something just occurred to me... and it's going to change my reads on people. Scratch what I said in posts 531 and 532 until later tonight when I'm able to write up a bigger post and look up references. (No, can't reveal it now, so please don't ask me until I make the post. kthx)

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OH, SCREW THIS. I SUCK AT MAFIA.

Forget post 535. My revelation doesn't hold water.

Been a while since I did this, but I am not going to vote in this current game state.

FoS: jenniwren

Let me get this straight. You claimed to have left breadcrumbs "all over the place" on Day 1 to substantiate a

vanilla townie

claim? Man, that's anticlimactic. Not even scum day-talk could save you from being inconsistent, eh?

FoS: hiphop

I gave hiphop flavor points, but in light of this, I'm resetting all flavor brownie points to zero. What I fail to understand even now is how a one-shot nurse backed up a

bulletproof

. From my point-of-view, if that claim is true, this borders on bastard modding. What irks me even more is hiphop's response to my surprise is incongruous with what someone faking a claim would do, but his claim does not align with my understanding of the game's mechanics. Blargh.

FoS: XScorpion

When XScorpion is questioned about his vig choice, what does he do? He points to me and says, and I paraphrase, "Well, Equinox said so!" No.

xvart's hammer was weird. I will grant you that. However, there were other targets that, in my opinion, deserved the vig more than xvart. The hammer warranted interrogation on Day 3 and not much more.

This is what I'm thinking. Scum knew XScorpion had to pick his targets carefully because of his claim. His buddies were out of the question. XScorpion wasn't going to get away with another roleblock claim. The next best thing was xvart. After all, once xvart flipped town, XScorpion could just point to someone else and say he just agreed with their assessment.

Protip: Town vigs own up to their mistakes.

That was in alphabetical order, so let me reorder this as:

XScorpion > jenniwren > hiphop

I will address everyone else later when we finish with this mass claim business.

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J > H in the alphabet.

This is why we go to school, kids.

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Remind me when this claiming is finished that there is a VERY IMPORTANT question I have to ask.

VERY IMPORTANT

Save it in Drafts, then. >_>

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Never have I seen a defense fall so flat.

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Can you give the quick skinny on your thought process in 535 and 536? It is p vital.

535: I was going to start drawing stuff from all of the flavor claims to see what made sense and what didn't. And then I realized while writing a draft that 1) the flavor claims have been pretty damn neutral, and 2) bouncy.bouncy declared that flavor had no effect on the game. That led to...

536: I can't analyze flavor, but I can analyze the claims. I found holes. I pointed them out.

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I assume we can do the chit-chat thing now.

What else can I say?

Should have asked this in the scum QT before you tripped.

If you guys would have preferred another target maybe you should have gave suggestions like on day 1. Oops nope, no one did that, so suck it.

LOLOL

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Pretty obvious where I stand here.

Anyway...

I'M CONFUSED, TOWN. HELP ME DECIDE.

I want to lynch scumbag. I see the rat. It's eating croissants and leering at me like I'm next or something. It's so glaringly obvious. BUT IT'S MYLO. MYLO IS LIKE CHUCKY.

So. I'll, like, sleep on this and whip out a vote later.

And I'm ignoring some things on purpose here. The only time I will address them is Day 4, assuming scum choose to keep me around. To reveal them now is counterproductive.

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Wait. I just had flash of rational thought. Actually...

VOTE: No Lynch

What I would highly prefer is that we don't discuss these claims until tomorrow. What I'm seeing here is an interesting distribution of claims. Townie players and scummy players have claimed all sorts of roles, and despite all the shit being thrown around, town isn't unified enough at the moment to have people who are absolutely unlynchable. As I understand the game state right now, everyone is fair game.

Therefore, I am going to take a gamble here. If this goes well, I get information. If this goes wrong, I'll buy some Orville Redenbacher.

The exceptions to the thing about claims above are hiphop, jenniwren, and XScorpion, since they have already been discussed. I'm in favor of having SpyreX elaborate a little bit more about his claim. After that, speedy hammers need to be speedy.

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On second thought, EBWOP:

The exceptions to the thing about claims above are

hiphop

, jenniwren, and XScorpion, since they have already been discussed.

hiphop's claim goes to the other category of not worth discussing. The circumstances around jenniwren's claim of vanilla townie and XScorpion's behavior are, however, quite telling, though I don't think we have much else to talk about there anyway.

Point of interest:

**SpryeX who did you jail?

Why are you assuming SpyreX took an action?

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I SPAM THIS THREAD.

Second point of interest:

jenniwren, you voted XScorpion in post 498. After hiphop claimed, you unvoted in 503. Between these two posts, you did not indicate any change in stance regarding XScorpion. Why?

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I forgot about this game. -_-

You guys are an awfully active bunch.

Kirbyoshi and SpyreX: WHY DID YOU LOT HAVE TO GO AND DO THAT, HUH? Now my plan has fallen apart completely.

Sigh. Now what... I'm actually really tempted to just lynch at this point, but MyLo is Chucky and all that.

This whole thing about hiphop is so out-of-whack that I don't know what to think anymore. I blame this on jenniwren.

hiphop: What made you take an action last night, and why did you choose to protect yourself?
jenniwren: Point out your softclaims from Day 1, please.

Down and /out.

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jenniwren, why did you feel the need to crumb your alignment? Those posts are all in the domain of "I am town!" and don't point to anything specific.

SpyreX, how's the parsing coming along?

Super Smash Bros. Fan, perhaps throw in more than a rebuttal when you come back?

hiphop, Kirbyoshi, XScorpion, top suspects please.

None of this "I don't want to give scum information" BS, please. I'm pretty sure scum know who to target.

Additional

demand

request: XScorpion, you'd better answer before the deadline hits.

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EBWOP:

Not that I think it'll happen, but --

Don't hammer No Lynch until XScorpion answers satisfactorily, please.

We also have

plenty of time

before the deadline hits.

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Explain your motivation behind claiming, please.

Are you seriously asking this question?

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Don't worry, Benmage. You'll be around tomorrow to herd the flock.

(I'll address the rest later.)

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Yay for double posting.

I have a question, Benmage. You're confident enough about XScorpion to bet an entire game on his lynch... yet why did you say you would vote hiphop "to avoid No Lynch"?

<_<

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I'm torn again, town.

I have a very strong suspicion of who is going to get NKed tonight, so doing a No Lynch today is going to deny town information. My plan at first was to have scum choose among all the role claims and help me narrow it down, but recent posts have shattered whatever chance that gambit had. Tonight, it's going to be the most pro-town player who dies and not simply the guy with the most dangerous role.

Therefore, lynching someone today appears to be the best option. The only problem is that, for various reasons, I'm not confident enough on any of my scum reads to bet an entire game during MyLo on them; however, I know for certain that Night 3 is not going to help make this decision any easier.

UNVOTE:

The thing that is giving me so much trouble about this game is that we're split on

just about everything

. For the life of this town, we can't agree on anything. Every single living player in this game has two groups either supporting or opposing their lynch. We can't agree on whether or not a massclaim was a good idea, even when the ball was already rolling. We can't even decide whether or not to lynch. Damn.

Scum are doing a wonderful job of running a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" game here.

I really hate the dynamics in play...

I'm going to draw up a diagram of all the finger-pointing and then get back to this. I was going to write up a post about it, but then my head just spun on how to organize it that I figured I should just screw it.

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Hey, jenniwren...

You unvoted XScorpion after hiphop claimed.
You unvoted hiphop after someone mentioned XScorpion's claim.

Are you having trouble remembering which scumbag you're bussing?

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That doesn't answer the question.

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Then explain the unvoting behavior. You're unvoting people for reasons that don't apply to them but to a different player.

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This should've been an EBWOP, but it's just a new post now.

Pretend for a second YOU were this supposed 'sane gun owner.' Would you claim?
You can bet your ass I wouldn't. Unless I was being threatened with lynch, I would refuse to claim all game.

Kirbyoshi claimed under pressure from SpyreX. The thing I'm hung up on is how off the wall the claim is. Like SpyreX, I have never seen a sane gun owner... It's a pretty weird role for scum to claim. I realize this thought is itself a logical fallacy, but I can't help wondering who would think that up as a fake claim. Kirbyoshi, apparently.

And then we have this, which bouncy.bouncy posted in the Setup Reviewers thread on July 20, shortly after he did his /in to mod in the Mini Theme Queue on July 19:

No new mechanics or weird roles.

bouncy.bouncy's other requests were either irrelevant or scrapped, so I'm pretty sure this refers to our game.

I'll agree with you, though, that I would never claim sane gun owner if I were a sane gun owner. I'd claim something stupid to get NKed.

Hmm...

This is interesting. Add that I don't know much about Kirbyoshi's stances at all... and I think I have a problem.

Kirbyoshi

: Who else do you think is scum?

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Hmm... That makes sense to me, actually.

If this wasn't MyLo/LyLo, who would you lynch?

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My suspects have changed since I last listed them.

XScorpion > Kirbyoshi > hiphop

So far that's:
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You see my predicament here. This is most likely my last chance to have a say in the lynch.

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EBWOP:

For best results, if you're adding your fourth suspect, everyone else should as well; that way the numbers would be more representative of relative scumminess.

That means I should as well.

XScorpion > Kirbyoshi > hiphop > jenniwren

Today

or tomorrow

, we should do a listing of our top three suspects.

Guys, do not delay this until Day 4.

I'd have done this popcorn style, but unfortunately we don't have time, if that mass claim was any indication.

Oh, yeah. If you haven't answered whatever I addressed to you here, answer 'em within your next post with your suspects ranking or diescumdie.

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Hmm...

The thing I was getting at by asking you why you used your role was to see if bouncy.bouncy notified you that it was okay to use. I saw a town deputy recently try to investigate, though, so doing what you did doesn't sound totally whacked.

At everyone- Base on my claim, would you have guesses that Snap or crackler was a protective role?

Mod says flavor is neutral. I believe the mod, so I wouldn't make any guesses either way.

More thoughts later. I'd rather hear XScorpion respond to this first.

Preview Edit: Oh, good.

Based on the alleged pattern of Night 2 actions, hiphop and XScorpion are probably of the same alignment.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to figure out what it is short of lynching them, and I'm not bold enough right now to wager the game on testing this theory. hiphop isn't acting like a fake claim, though... even though he and the rest of us know how bloody weird it is to have a nurse back up the bulletproof.

I think I need sleep. e_e

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VOTE: hiphop

Reasoning: Night 3 is not going to help me decide between my suspects. This is as good as it gets. Besides, XScorpion's eagerness to not lynch seals the deal for me.

You lot had better hope that your scum buddies (maybe it's singular now; it's L-1) are quick enough to hammer No Lynch before town wakes up.

I call the following:

If hiphop flips scum, I accuse Kirbyoshi and XScorpion.
If hiphop flips town, you guys have every right to rage post-game.

Cheers.

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The game ends either today or tomorrow. It doesn't matter to me when the lynch happens.

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MOD: Benmage voted hiphop in 623.

Fixed

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ITT the scum reveal themselves.

I don't see any scumbags hopping on hiphop for a victory, and some of these votes for No Lynch are highly suspect. That's saying something right there.

Good night, guys.

I hope to argue with you lot tomorrow.

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Ugh. Yet another noobish performance from Equinox. I can't believe I let myself flip-flop so much when it was obvious that hiphop and XScorpion needed to die. Sigh. How embarrassing.

I really like this setup. Nice mixture of variety and balance. Thanks for the smooth modding!

Good game, everybody. +props to SpyreX for convincing town to jump on the SSBF wagon.