Mini 1070 The Godfather:Hunt for Sollozzo (GAME!)
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It makes sense for scum to confirm late-ish for some pregame talk, no?
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ok coolunvote
I'll put my vote on the highest wagon after Andy gives us a VC.
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......and there is no highest bandwagon.
@Far_cry: Inconsistencies = mafia. Mafia must be more flexible and willing to change stances in order to stay alive and "appealing" to the rest of the town, therefore mafia are more likely to make inconsistent statements.Vote: pacman281292
but,
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Pacman is being inconsistent.Far_Cry wrote:Oops, forgot some two things:
Who are you directing this towards? Who's being inconsistant? Pacman, or me?FakeGod wrote:@Far_cry: Inconsistencies = mafia. Mafia must be more flexible and willing to change stances in order to stay alive and "appealing" to the rest of the town, therefore mafia are more likely to make inconsistent statements.Vote: pacman281292
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My thoughts: lengthening RVS only helps scum. Therefore, RedCoyote's "facetious" attempt at lengthening RVS was anti-town.
however, I learned that anti-town doesn't necessarily means scum in my recent games. I have grown.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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By definition, RVS has no serious discussions, meaning there is no serious scumhunting.
And are you really gonna count on scum making a mistake? psshhMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Bub: Bandwagons are major source of information. Therefore, I believe it's good idea to build one right away.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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I don't know, let's see what he says.RedCoyote wrote:
Do you think Bub is sweating over a vote that you just admitted is pressure-based?FG 91 wrote:@Bub: Bandwagons are major source of information. Therefore, I believe it's good idea to build one right away.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Exilon: softclaiming bunch of stuff might confuse scum, but confuses town much more
@RedC: I don't get the "preemtive voting based on theory" thing. Explain?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Ok awesome, but let's take a look at what I actually said.RedCoyote wrote:
I don't either. You're the one who made the post. It was something like... you're going to vote the next person to start a bandwagon.FG 131 wrote:@RedC: I don't get the "preemtive voting based on theory" thing. Explain?
and if you were unsure what I meant there for whatever reason, then let's look at what I posted right afterward after Andrius gives us a VC.FakeGod wrote: I'll put my vote on the highest wagon after Andy gives us a VC.
It should be pretty obvious what I meant at this point.FakeGod wrote:......and there is no highest bandwagon.
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@RedCoyote: I didn't explain much; I only reposted what I posted beforehand since you missed what I wrote before.
But I would love to explain why I would put my vote on the highest wagon to you if you wish.
I'm also not exactly sure what you're talking about either, and therefore I'll let you further explain your case.
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You're attempting to apply RVS logic on to general mafia play. It does not follow.RedCoyote wrote:
So, should we all just pile on Exilon then? He's a popular vote getter, so he must be scum? Why aren't you voting him?Thor 164 wrote:@RedCoyote - you're seriously advancing as a theory that scumFG declared in thread "I'mma just support that highest bandwagon!" and that this action is scummy? Pretty much every game opener I've done in the past half year I've used the exact same logic and my first vote is always to the highest wagon (unless I'm the highest, natch) - what's so scummy about that at that stage of the game?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Explain.Antihero wrote: And your "I'll put my vote on the highest wagon after Andy gives us a VC" = yikes!My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@RC: I don't know what your definition of RVS logic is, but my definition of RVS logic is something you go by in early game as a conversation starter and/or something that would get you additional info later on. (for example, if bandwagon was built, it would give town information)
Explain how voting for the highest wagon is not RVS logic.
and you misrepped me. I didn't criticize you because RVS was over. That doesn't even make sense.
I clearly said that you were trying to lengthen RVS, which is clearly anti-town.
And I'm not "throwing around positions about what I think is anti-town or not." Again, you're misrepping my position.
Since I sincerely believe in my position, I'm ready to argue against you for my position.
If you wish to tell me that lengthening RVS isn't anti-town, go right ahead. I'll argue back.
You're misrepping things left and right. Only reason my vote isn't on you is becauseThor665 wrote:this feels like newbie insanity to me.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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hey Wingless, any results on that reread you did?
I also don't think RC is scum. (hence I never joined in the bandwagon)
Bub wagon is meh, though Bub just try to shift attention to bv?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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yo Wingless, why do you think the my vote going to highest wagon is bad?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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um......... yo Wingless, why do you think that my vote going to highest wagon is strange?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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I skimmed over a game where Exilon was a VT.
He said that his suspicions grow over time, and that it's hard for him to have suspects on day 1.
He's rather bit more aggressive in this game...My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Exilon is scummy.Thor665 wrote:If you want to claim that Exilon is acting scummy then grow a set and say so.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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I think that was my first ever meta-based opinion ever.
I don't particularly find other not-as-active posters scummy, but I understand. It's college.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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EBWOP: I have college and it's pretty hard to keep up with things, although I do make an effort to come and post.
We're nearing deadline. If push comes to shove, my vote goes on highest wagon.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Exilon: if your meta's unstable, then why did you use that as a defense to protect yourself in the other game?
Excusing yourself from making attacks on people d1 by saying that you usually don't have suspects d1 is valid only if you do that all the time. (by having a stable meta)My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Let Kat jump; deadline's like tomorrow.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Bub: Instead of frustrated "don't vote me" defense, why didn't you claim in your last post?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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I agree with gandalf that SC has been killed by a vig. (flavor fits better as well)
@antihero: Are you serious about your question? Do you realize how important sorting out who was killed by the mafia and vig when there's two kills during the night?
based on who the dead players were attacking, defending, and overall reacting to other players, figuring out who killed who can be critical.
I suspect antihero to be mafia.Vote: antihero
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@antihero: your condescending tone, probably an attempt to dismiss my case before even reading it, is noted.
Let's examine who mafia might kill.
mafia kills can be fairly case-by-case different (more so in a theme game), but for early kills,especiallyfor n1 kills, mafia tend to eliminate town who are attacking the mafia members, defending town, and overall doing the right things and getting in mafia's way. This makes sense even against WIFOM because the alternative of leaving people who are pushing/defending the right guys alive for WIFOM purposes is only going to raise the chances that mafia members will be lynched.
I believe Thor has been shot by the mafia. This means that there's a high chance that Thor was doing the above things.
Things Thor have done: (I took out Thor-SC interaction)
ISO 3-17: Thor moves out of RVS and votes pacman.
ISO 18-26: Thor votes RC. Thor gets involved in FG and RC's argument about putting RVS vote on the highest wagon.
ISO 27-31: Thor begins to lean town on RC. Thor mildly supports FG.
ISO 32-37: Thor votes and encourage a wagon on Bub.
ISO 38: Thor criticizes Exilon.
ISO 39-46: Thor warns FG not to use ellipses. Thor is pretty sure that RC is town and discourages the RC wagon. Thor pushes repeatedly on Exilon.
ISO 47-49: Thor says hello to Gandalf.
Conclusion: pacman and/or Exilon is probably mafia, and FG and/or RC is probably town.
I'm not going to post my analysis for the vig kill since I rather not give hints to mafia who vig might be.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@gandalf: haha, which half did you read?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Wingless:
Your first suspect, Bub, was not scum.
Is there something wrong with voting antihero? because antihero attempted to undermine a legitimate statement that is directly relevant to helping town catch scum.
The statement I made in 322 is what I gathered from Thor's death. I read Thor's ISO and his voting pattern, as well as his interactions with others.
Ellipses are "...".
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At least you have a valid opinion.Exilon wrote: See, I, for one, think Strangercoug was a mafia kill and Thor was the vig kill, mainly because Stranger was laying a bit low but was acting in a townish way (or at least that's what kinda showed by the lack of attacks on him) and that wouldn't probably let himself be pushed into a mislynch.
Have you read the flavor? I was also rather undecided until I read how each of them died.
@Antihero: Fact: Thor supported me.
I pointed this out after doing an ISO on him. If there's a problem, feel free to say something.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@Exilon: Wingless's ISO 5-6 says he thinks Exilon is scum.
after some posts about being confused and "I'm rereading now",
Wingless's ISO 17 says Exilon is not scum.
Wingless's ISO 22-24 calls for more votes to finish off Bub.
Exilon was technically Wingless's first suspect. But doesn't that mean Bub was his second suspect, not me? What?
Conclusion: Wingless isn't even keeping track of his own suspects.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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First kill sounds like it was done by more than one person.
Second kill sounds like it was a one-man job.
To me, anyways.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@RC: I'm more sure on my Antihero vote.
And Wingless said I was his 2nd suspect. Bub is his second suspect. That makes me #3, not #2 as he said.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@RC: I would be willing to go with you if you have a better reason than "Let's Lynch a Lurker!"My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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@RC: I already responded to it dude. It was confusing because Wingless's first (chronologically) suspect was Exilon, which is why I would be the third (chronologically) suspect, but he sort of gave up on Exilon and only has two suspects apparently, with one of them (Bub) dead.
@Wingless: do you have any other reads on anyone else? Arguing over whether I'm your first/second/third suspect is getting old.
@pacman: define WTF territory.
@Zajnet: include at least three people you would be willing to lynch next time you post.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Clarification: you are leaning scum on Wingless yet you are not willing to lynch him?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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but you didn't sound very confident about Kat either. (something about lurking cough cough)
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@RC: um, that's because it wasn't a case to begin with. I was seeing how sincere Wingless was about his lynch picks.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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waiting for Exilon to respond to Zajnet.
Gandalf's claiming miller is fine. Isn't the site meta here for millers is to claim right away anyways?
pacman is busy as usual apparently.
@Wingless: I'm not assuming anything.
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The wagon composition seems pretty legit.
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@Antihero: Thanks for telling me that it's possible to have mafia members vote each other. (pretty legit doesn't mean All-Town-100%-GUARANTEED)
Your attempt at soft-defending Zajnet by attacking me is noted.
Having said that, Exilon just conveniently jumped off Zajnet wagon. Now, what does that tell you?
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@RC: Kat's right. It seems like you already made up your mind that FG/Kat is scum no matter what Zaj flips.
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The thing is, the site meta here with millers is that they claim right away that they're millers, and vigs take them out early on.
This way, cops won't waste investigations, and town won't waste a lynch on them.
Unless a vig steps forward and says "I tried to kill Gandalf last night, nothing happened." I believe his claim.
And if you are a vig, shoot gandalf plz.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Now we know that Antihero was chainsaw defending Zajnet, who is scum.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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@RC: I and Antihero were trying to lynch each other for like, the entire game. Are you saying that he and I were bussing each other like crazy?
Antihero was obviously chainsaw defending his buddy, while I help town gun down Zajnet.
@pacman: nice job!My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Lynching the miller claim before LyLo happens would give me a peace of mind.
Vote: gandalf5166My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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It's a very good precaution to get rid of miller claims before LyLo.
However, your accusation against RC is noted.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Man, it had to be RC, but I decided to "do the right thing" and lynch the miller claim.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!
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