Mini 251: MtG Mafia (Game Over)

[Thesp]

no deaths..interesting

vote N_lich

for the uber scum tell

I like this vote right now.

Vote: N_lich

. I thought much the same thing.

[Thesp]

I just like everyone to check in before I change my initial vote. Personal play style, no real reason.

But to get you committed to something, you are liking a vote on N_lich right now?

[Thesp]

I'll provide a FOS:N_lich if that'll help anything, but I think we should hear something from him before we put any more votes on.

Why would that help anything, especially if you're uncertain of suspicion?

FOS: vIQleS

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It is my experience, and I believe Thesp will back me up on this, that people who say "Oh no, X happened " or "At least X didn't happen!" and don't even bother with a random vote are giving us a scum tell.

I do concur.

I'm wanting to hear from him as well, so a FOS might wake him up.

Umm...okay.

[Thesp]

Alright, everyone, please vote for N-lich to kill him. Also, mod, can we have a prod on Nox? Thank you.

[Thesp]

My apologies, that should be "N_lich".

[Thesp]

Alright, everyone, please vote for N-lich to kill him. Also, mod, can we have a prod on Nox? Thank you.

I'm sorry where did this come from? Do you know something? If you do I think we'd all like to hear it. Before we lynch someone based on very little evidence and with no role claim to help us decide...

vote: thesp until he explains this post

Thank you for your contribution. We will trace your actions a bit later, especially the cop baiting bit. I will ignore your request to reveal whether or not I have an investigation.

Also, role claims are not defenses. Why are you sointerested in people's roles?

If our mod won't prod Nox, we could lynch her instead, but I think prod/replacement is more helpful.

[Thesp]

Don't give me that crap. You just ordered everyone to lynch N_lich. Why are you so unwilling to justify your post.

So are you affirming your request to see whether or not I have an information role? Just checking.

[Thesp]

I don't know what you expected to happen when you said "I order everyone to kill N_lich", if anyone did it would be because they believe you have info. In which case you die tomorrow anyway (if he's innocent).
If you're not scum, then regardless of whether you are a cop or not you are dead tonight, because the scum are going to assume the same thing.

You're setting up a lot of unnecessary false circumstances.

The only way this works out is if you are not a cop, in which case we're lynching at random, or based on your vague hunch.

Why would that be random?

So are you affirming your request to see whether or not I have an information role? Just checking.

Fankly if you have nothing to add I'd rather not hear anything else from you. I would like to hear from everyone else. So far this game we've heard from about 5 people... I'm going to shut up as well, until we get some more discussion...

Ah, but I think I do have information to add. In fact, I think we've gotten loads of information from you, and we're starting to get some information from others because they are slowly beginning to talk. I'm sorry you think my contribution is not worthwhile, but I suspect that you may feel that because I'm suspecting you of being scum.

then i would like to hear an excuse for what you may call a slip up.


If thesp still won't talk, i say start a bandwagon and have some fun.

Why is it a slip up? Please show me. This is what's called "question begging" (or "false assumption"), where you assume the truth of a proposition within your proposition. This would fit the definition of CrapLogic.

Interestingly, N_lich is the one not talking, not I.

[Thesp]

No - it's called theorising, examining possible outcomes. Your mislabelling things isn't going to convince people that I'm scum, if that's what you're trying do

Possible outcomes is one one thing, but saying they're the only possibilities is problematic.

Deliberately misinterpreting? Sounds Scummy to me.

Ah, I misread. Not pleased about the derisiveness of "your vague hunch", but that makes more sense now.

I don't need you to roleclaim, you're not a cop.

I do want a roleclaim from N_lich.

vote N_lich

My next vote will go to Thesp, if he's not a cop then he's scum.

I'm really confused by this. You assert I'm not a cop, and that if I'm not a cop, I'm scum? (Not to mention the false dilemma in the latter proposition.) Umm.....

[Thesp]

both thesp and vIQleS seems scummy so

FOS: Thesp FOS vIQleS

Wishy-washy much?

What about N_Lich? What about Fallout Girl? What about Nox? What about anyone else who's posting? Or not posting? More contribution would be nice.

I also support getting a claim from N_Lich at this point.

[Thesp]

We would like to see claim, yes.

ok.

I am Sisay, captain of the Weatherlight (vanilla townie)

And to this, I call your bluff. Sisay's too important to be a vanilla townie.

Then why not place a vote? Some bluff-call.

FOS: bethelmark

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I'm pegging N_Lich at about 75% likely to be scum at this point. I'm comfortable with his lynch.

[Thesp]

Then why not place a vote? Some bluff-call. FOS: bethelmark.

I'm pegging N_Lich at about 75% likely to be scum at this point. I'm comfortable with his lynch.

Why not vote? I didn't want to put him one vote away from the lynch. For all we know, he could be telling the truth. I'm not too familiar with the Weatherlight saga, but I think Sisay would be important enough to have a role. From my experience, games this small don't have vanilla townie roles.

So you think he could be telling the truth, and you didn't want to put him one away from a lynch, so let's look again at how you conveyed that:

And to this, I call your bluff. Sisay's too important to be a vanilla townie.

Something's not fitting here.

Why didn't you want to put him one away from a lynch? I have a guess at why. You get to push a wagon without being on it. I'm feeling less comfortable about my vote right now.