Mini 1070 The Godfather:Hunt for Sollozzo (GAME!)

[Antihero]

/confirm

Hi RC, Kat, and pacman.

Catchup coming soon!

[Antihero]

Obligatory UNVOTE:

1st page is pregame discussion about the movie. I'll write it off.

Page 2:
Yeah, it's kind of obvious there's nothing to go on, but Thor's heart is in the right place. zajnet pooh-poohing that as an "overreaction" and calling everything a "nulltell" without giving an alternative = scummy
Fakegod, did zajnet's reaction really satisfy you? And your "I'll put my vote on the highest wagon after Andy gives us a VC" = yikes!

Page 3:
Post 51 Fakegod - I see a random floating generality, without anything telling me how it applies to pacman or what happened on the previous page. More scumpoints for you.
SC's vote doesn't make any sense.
Post 67 SC - You didn't answer Thor's question of where the scum motivation is. The last sentence implies you think Thor is scummy, but you don't say what the scumtell is. Scumpoints for you.
Post 72 SC - I thought Thor's case on pacman was supposed to end the RVS (which I personally think should be very short).
Post 73 Kat - I'm hoping you deliver on this.

Page 4:
Post 82 Fakegod - Combines fencesitting with active lurking. More scumpoints for you.
I've read post 87 multiple times and I'm still not following Exilon's logic. However, I disagree with my replacee's assessment of his play, I think Exilon's heart is in the right place.
...and the active lurking continues from Fakegod.
Post 94 RC - Now, exilon calling you out on rolefishing was legit. I'm not sure what you're getting bent out of shape about.

Page 5:
I'm going to join the chorus of people saying RC's "pressure vote" is crap. Scumpoints for RC
Post 122 - pacman has provided content? Really? It seems like the only thing he's been doing so far is defending himself.

Page 6:
...and the active lurking by FakeGod continues...

I was so close...
My eyes are starting to glaze over. I'll pick up on this tomorrow when I'm well rested.

[Antihero]

Sorry I forgot about this game.

Anyway, a few quick things:

• Saying that you're bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning = epicfail. It defeats the purpose of the wagon in the first place (which is pressure) and just serves to enable the wagoner to actively lurk.
  
• Why is any vote on FakeGod "terribad"? He's one of the scummiest players in the game.
  
• Anything that might lead to a conversation about roles or that elicits a response of "well, I know this because I have role X" = rolefishing

Page 6:
Not liking pacman's WoT. I see a bunch of words, but I don't see who he thinks is scum.
Thor on SC = QFT

Page 7:
@Thor: I don't know about RC, but I personally think that the active lurking is the strongest scumtell against FG
@Exilon: why is bub scummy?

Now, as for current events:

Thor, I'm not seeing the case on Bub. I also don't do gut.

Since pacman and FG are the scummiest people to me so far, I think a vote on one of them is good.

VOTE: FakeGod

[Antihero]

@Exilon: Yeah, I also said I don't do gut.

@RC: That Kat vote is pretty out of the blue itself. What exactly are you calling Exilon down on?

If people aren't seeing FakeGod's continued refusal to scumhunt, I don't know what to tell you.

[Antihero]

What exactly are you calling Exilon down on?

His vote is misguided. He's making a new wagon on Wingless out of the blue. He basically ignores everything that went on in the thread for the past 4 pages or so. Thor is right, he's completely self-centered (but I caught on to that some time ago). Do you realize, with that vote, we now have 7 different people being voted? This is what happens when no one is here to debate and argue. I contend we need to address this problem by voting one of the lurkers, and I singled out Kat because she's paying attention to this game, she just doesn't care. I think if Kat was really too busy for this game, she wouldn't spring into action the second someone voted her, nor would she willingly replace into an 86 page game.

hmmm... you have a point about Kat, but I still hate FakeGod's active lurking.

I hate to invoke Lynch All Lurkers, but UNVOTE: Bub Bidderskins and VOTE: Katsuki. I did take a brief look at the post RedCoyote linked me to, so it's not in

THAT

much vain, but it's my best option right now.

If we wanted to lynch ALL lurkers, we would need a lot more rope. RC already told me why he picked Kat, now why are YOU picking Kat?

[Antihero]

If people aren't

seeing

voting for FakeGod for his continued refusal to scumhunt, I don't know what to tell you.

Fixed.

I would obviously prefer a FakeGod lynch today, but if that doesn't happen, I wouldn't mind settling for a Kat lynch.

I think if Kat was really too busy for this game, she wouldn't spring into action the second someone voted her, nor would she willingly replace into an 86 page game.

RC is right about this, and it reminds of someone's behavior in a very recent game (Kat should know what I'm talking about).

[Antihero]

Unvote, Vote: Bub Bidderskins

MY WAGON IS AWESOME!

But seriously, not doing

anything

except for self-defense, inane questioning, and mindless wagoning =/= town. I completely understand if you have other stuff going on, but conciseness and townishness ( That's an awkward word)

can

coexist.

Thor, you're going to have to do better than calling me a loser and saying "gut" to get me to vote Bub. I'm not seeing a case at all.

[Antihero]

Yeah, everyone can quit with the self-righteous bullshit about activity in this game.

Head hurts...

Unvote, Vote: Bub

IF MY COUNTING IS NOT FAIL, I BELIEVE BUB IS AT L1 NOW

I'm sorry about your headache, I hope you feel better soon.

But still, this wagon jump = fail.

[Antihero]

SC was vigged. That's clear. Unless our vig and mafia are both just completely retarded.

Is there any protown reason for saying this? At all?

Personally, I'm up for a FG or Kat wagon.

VOTE: FakeGod

[Antihero]

Oh, OK. Then please, FakeGod, enlighten me as to how Thor or SC being a mafia/vig/SK/whatever kill tells us anything about anyone's alignment.

[Antihero]

@antihero: your condescending tone, probably an attempt to dismiss my case before even reading it, is noted.

Yes. And...

Let's examine who mafia might kill.

mafia kills can be fairly case-by-case different (more so in a theme game), but for early kills,

especially

for n1 kills, mafia tend to eliminate town who are attacking the mafia members, defending town, and overall doing the right things and getting in mafia's way. This makes sense even against WIFOM because the alternative of leaving people who are pushing/defending the right guys alive for WIFOM purposes is only going to raise the chances that mafia members will be lynched.

I believe Thor has been shot by the mafia. This means that there's a high chance that Thor was doing the above things.

Things Thor have done: (I took out Thor-SC interaction)
ISO 3-17: Thor moves out of RVS and votes pacman.
ISO 18-26: Thor votes RC. Thor gets involved in FG and RC's argument about putting RVS vote on the highest wagon.
ISO 27-31: Thor begins to lean town on RC. Thor mildly supports FG.
ISO 32-37: Thor votes and encourage a wagon on Bub.
ISO 38: Thor criticizes Exilon.
ISO 39-46: Thor warns FG not to use ellipses. Thor is pretty sure that RC is town and discourages the RC wagon. Thor pushes repeatedly on Exilon.
ISO 47-49: Thor says hello to Gandalf.

Conclusion: pacman and/or Exilon is probably mafia, and FG and/or RC is probably town.

I'm not going to post my analysis for the vig kill since I rather not give hints to mafia who vig might be.

This is pretty self-serving, isn't it?

[Antihero]

I don't dislike FG's analysis persay,

but it is too debatable to be objective

.

Exactly.

RC, I'm getting the same exact feeling about your Kat advertising as Thor/Bub yesterday. Yes, Kat has lurked, but FakeGod has been active lurking all game, which is much scummier, IMO. I'd rather go with a lynch that has some rationale behind it instead of "Argh! Gut!" and I don't feel like that's going to be very productive (like we saw with the Bub wagon yesterday).

[Antihero]

RC does have a point about Kat, but I feel more confident about my FG scumread.

pacman, as of now, I don't have a good read on you (though, because of the WoT that I disliked, it's slightly leaning scum). I eagerly await your catchup. Same for you gandalf (except I don't have a read on you

at all

; you haven't posted anything of real substance besides that miller claim).

[Antihero]

@.@

You should include breaks in your text, pacman, please.

[Antihero]

I've gotten busy this week due to exams, so I don't have much time to make a reread. I'll make a better reread tomorrow (

the format I've been taking has sucked

).

While I appreciate your effort, yes it has.

You're still one of my scumreads from yesterday, BTW.

[Antihero]

The wagon composition seems pretty legit.

Zajnet (4): Katsuki,

Exilon

, Wingless, gandalf5166

Let's examine who mafia might kill.

mafia kills can be fairly case-by-case different (more so in a theme game), but for early kills, especially for n1 kills, mafia tend to eliminate town who are attacking the mafia members, defending town, and overall doing the right things and getting in mafia's way. This makes sense even against WIFOM because the alternative of leaving people who are pushing/defending the right guys alive for WIFOM purposes is only going to raise the chances that mafia members will be lynched.

I believe Thor has been shot by the mafia. This means that there's a high chance that Thor was doing the above things.

Things Thor have done: (I took out Thor-SC interaction)
ISO 3-17: Thor moves out of RVS and votes pacman.
ISO 18-26: Thor votes RC. Thor gets involved in FG and RC's argument about putting RVS vote on the highest wagon.
ISO 27-31: Thor begins to lean town on RC. Thor mildly supports FG.
ISO 32-37: Thor votes and encourage a wagon on Bub.
ISO 38: Thor criticizes Exilon.
ISO 39-46: Thor warns FG not to use ellipses. Thor is pretty sure that RC is town and discourages the RC wagon. Thor pushes repeatedly on Exilon.
ISO 47-49: Thor says hello to Gandalf.

Conclusion: pacman and/or

Exilon is probably mafia

, and FG and/or RC is probably town.

I'm not going to post my analysis for the vig kill since I rather not give hints to mafia who vig might be.

[Antihero]

@Antihero: Thanks for telling me that it's possible to have mafia members vote each other. (pretty legit doesn't mean All-Town-100%-GUARANTEED)

Your attempt at soft-defending Zajnet by attacking me is noted.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was the defense soft? Here let me rectify that: Zajnet is probably town, you and Kat are scum. There, I said it. What now?

[Antihero]

I didn't really deserve this win. RC did. Good job.

We don't really say anything earth shattering in the QT; I'll let RC give the link if he wants.