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am i still voting for no lynch?
did i expect no lynch to pass?
do you read?
i expect 3 answers
Simply awful.ok, and you completely dodged the real question
Also though I'm glad you gave me the two games is there anything specific you want me to look at?
EDIT: I don't like Hop's "scum can't daytalk" it doesn't look real to me.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Focus on reads of every player along with thoughts on the Furc and Hop wagons.foilist13 wrote:Right, I'm back. Give me a minute to catch up. I'll have my first epic to semi-epic post tomorrow.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I'll do you 50 times better and quote it.
(bold mine) - That's what I saw as WIFOM anyway.Furcolow wrote:
I like your reaction, but I don't like RVS bandwagonning necessarilyLordChronos wrote:Vote: Furcolow
Why no lynch?
I dislike HOMJ's OMG ANTI-TOWN.
If I was scum, you really believe I would do that, or let me rephrase this:
Do you think my partners would let me vote no lynch? Don't you believe I would be trying to ask their advice?
unvote
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Town would be sort of neutral on this, even if they voted me. Sort of like what Lord Chronos did. He asked why. You just simply declared something is anti-town. DID YOU EXPECT ME TO EXPECT NO LYNCH TO PASS? LOL.
I didn't.
Anyways, doing this is pro-town in another way. It helps to end the RVS. I fucking love the RVS, but it is anti-town as shit.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Smarg: I've been scumhunting being the first person to vote Hop today and oner of the main proponents behind Furc. I might have been wrong about Furc and you might disagree with me on Hop but that doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting. Along with Hop, there's GW for possible scum
Hop: Taking quotes out of context to try and make a player look scummy is scummy itself. (The quote he quoted was in response to Hop having null and scum reads on everyone as we would expect from scum that doesn't want to get boxxed in but still feels the need to post their reads on everyone) Also if you actually want an increase in activity stop posting as much as you do.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. I am, the post you quotyted out of context is an example of such.
2. It proves I'm not just bandwagonning players.
3. You were implying that I was being hypocritical. In context that was clearly not the case. So yes it is scummy.
4. That's clearly not the truth.
5. Its counter intuitive, true, but that doesn't change the fact that its true.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. I was referring to where I pointed out you were keeping your options open with regards to scum reads.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:
1. That post I quoted proves nothing, the way I read it, ghost implied he had a pressure vote 1. A. You have no examples from day 1 and an incredibility weak example day 2.Empking wrote:1. I am, the post you quotyted out of context is an example of such.
2. It proves I'm not just bandwagonning players.
3. You were implying that I was being hypocritical. In context that was clearly not the case. So yes it is scummy.
4. That's clearly not the truth.
5. Its counter intuitive, true, but that doesn't change the fact that its true.
2. So you bandwagon yesterday and figure if you vote me first today you will not be accused of bandwagoning, noted scum
3. "I'm not hypocritical cause I say I'm not" lol
4. What's not true? Bandwagon hopping? Look at your vote history and explain how it's not.
5. What is counter intuitive?
2. Seriously? What was I doing, staying up late at night press f5 to make sure I got there first.
3. Anybody is free to look at it in context. I've no wish to convince you just to stop you convincing anyone else.
4. I've voted two people seriously. I'm pretty sure that my first vote on each of them was before they had a bandwagon.
5. Not what you'd intiutively expect (I may have got the term wrong.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Provide quotes. I said that my voting before their was a wagon meant that I wasn't bandwagonning. Not that it was infallable evidence for me being town.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:
YOU said you were scum hunting by voting firstEmpking wrote:EBWOP:
Strawman: "I don't remeber seeing a rule that says if you vote first you are automatically town"
YOU implied that by voting before they had a wagon to make it seem like you are not scum
I don't have to twist it cause you posted it in black and white
(Nowe I really am not going to talk about it any more.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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DB: Are you really such an awful player that you think back and forths between two players are a good thing as opposed to an activity killer?
Do you have anything specific that I haven't answered?
Hop: Again stop purposely misintepreting me. I never said people should follow me.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. Stop misintepreting my comments. I clearly didn't think "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo " was serious but I also presumed it didn't come out of nowhere. Its clearly implying something.
2. What does "and did you really just call DB a bad mafia player, LOL" mean? (Are you budding him or trying to imply that there can only be one bad player in a game (excluding yourself))Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I never said you were buddying, I was asking you whether or not you were buddying. Stop twisting my words. Also, you never answered my question; what did you mean?HopOnMyJoystick wrote:and who is straw manning now, twisting my words to imply I am buddying? wow you keep spiraling and flailing
When have I unfairly insulted a player?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ha. I was actually trying to say that he didn't really think that a long boring back to forth was a good thing.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:Maybe you didn't directly insult him but asking him if he is really that bad of a player is a sideways attemp to insult himPlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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FoS: Doombunny
Doombunny - Answer my questions with actual answers now (not "nothing that Hop hasn't mentioned".)
bv: Presume "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo!" isn't sarcasm. Using that supposition does that imply that I'm asking people to follow me. (The answers "no" before Hop- and DB try and twist that into something it isn't.)
Zang: If somebody sarcasticly says "town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo" is it fair to presume that something prompted that and its not just a random comment.
Hop: Third time now:I never said you were buddying, I was asking you whether or not you were buddying. Stop twisting my words. Also, you never answered my question; what did you mean?
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That doesn't seem to fit with the quote to me. Or at least doesn't fit with the attitude you later professed about insults.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:cause I found it funny that you are flailing so badPlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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(bold mine)HopOnMyJoystick wrote:if you are pro-town how are you going to earn credibility with the players in the game if you insult them?
if I came in and saw someone insulted another player, no matter who it was I would vote them immediately
if you are trying to defend yourself there is no need for insults.
That strikes me as a little more than "not pro town" to me.
I'm not sure if you're serious about the last bit (of your last post).Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I don't know why I keep on getting into these with you. I'm not going comment on this anymore.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:I already said if you are pro-town there is no reason to insult someone, so if I logged into a game and saw someone had been insulted, I would vote the person doing the insulting.
insults are not pro town
not sure why you are confusedPlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. I never said it did.Doombunny9 wrote:
Well there is the question I did ask you that you didn't answer (How does thinking two people are almost equally scummy make me a bad player?)Emp wrote:Doombunny - Answer my questions with actual answers now (not "nothing that Hop hasn't mentioned".)
Also:
-How didn't you find what the bolded part in post 327 was supposed to mean
-Why did you suddenly begin to post more when pressure builded on you?
2. I'll answer on quick reply.
3. I post when I have something to say. Defending myself is something extra to say and (I find) that once I say quite a bit then I'll continue to post. (Its actually I problem because unless I force myself to stop I'll monopolise the thread.)
How does not wanting the game to devolve into a back and forth between me and Hop benefit the scum? (I'm making a presumption here (that actively scummy actions are done by scum to benefit themselves) . If you don't like it then I'll rephrase the question.
Well that's not scummy at all [/sarcasm]Emp wrote:I don't know why I keep on getting into these with you. I'm not going comment on this anymore.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. Its evidence that I'm being independent and not following other players. It wasn't the only evidence I gave.
2. Actually it wasn't the only reason. So, heh.
3. I'm doing plenty.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. I can't post examples for where I tried "to find scum based on their actions, words, and sometimes lack of words." and nor could anybody else. I can post examples of where I tried to get data to analyze or where I posted my results from my analysis.
2. I've given plenty of reasons for voting you (and previously for voting Furc) and I'm sure you know that otherwise you wouldn't be acting as if my only reason for voting you today was ""same as yesterday"" when I gave another reason in my actual vote post.
3. Town have never blindly followed anywhere. I'd have to be insane to think that'd change now.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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EDIT: I don't like Hop's "scum can't daytalk" it doesn't look real to me.Hop's play especially with the change of mind about the claim and the lack of vote look like poor distancing to me. I'd be happy with either lynch at this point.
Yeah, no reasons at all.Hop: Do you have a positive read on anyone? Because it looks very like that you're keeping your options open?
Doombunny: What do you tyhink of Hop trying to mislead the town about my reasoning for voting Hop?
Hop: You were keeping your options open by not closing any (closing an option = finding a player towny)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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"back and forth" = Conversation. Do you still think I'm changing my story.Doombunny9 wrote:
You said "emp wrote:1. I never said it did.DB: Are you really such an awful playerthat you think back and forths between two players are a good thing as opposed to an activity killer?" Stop changing your story kthxbai.
What is it then.
"I clearly didn't think "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo " was serious but I also presumed it didn't come out of nowhere.emp wrote:2. I did. You and Hop are clearly lying when you say otherwise. People don't randomly sarcastically say people shouldn't follow me. Its prompted by something.Its clearly implying something." The bolded part with the rest of the post mases it seem as if you don't know what the something is.
Why should it lose its meaning when you independantly acknowledge it to be true?
I've noticed it and while its the only thing I can agree with you on, its not enough to make me want to change votes. It also loses some of its meaning when you call out HOMJ for twisting your words, misleading town, etc. on every other point.Emp wrote:Doombunny: What do you tyhink of Hop trying to mislead the town about my reasoning for voting Hop?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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By gosh its almost like I'm voting a different player rather than one of those three!Doombunny9 wrote:
And yet you didn't make a case on any of them...Emp wrote:Smarg: GW, DB and SV are the people I'm leaning at. WSe'll be able to make a much better idea once we lynch Hop and have confirmation thast he's scum.
(I'm leaning towards you because you're acting like Hop's buddy. (Following Hop without seeming to understand what you're following and "I've noticed it and while its the only thing I can agree with you on, its not enough to make me want to change votes. It also loses some of its meaning when you call out HOMJ for twisting your words, misleading town, etc. on every other point." looks like you're trying to distance but want to make sure you're not expected to vote Hop.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. It still looked fake.
2. Its still something weird (Honestly I don't put much weight on this.)
3. That isn't how you left your options open. Stop misrepresenting me. (If you want evidence for how you left your options open look at today how you voted me and SV forgetting the two players you called scummy yesterday. Esentially, despite giving your reads you could vote anybody without looking like you're backtracking.)
I'm sure you're scum because of DB's play but most the fact that you continue and continue to misrepresent me.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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(bold mine)Empking wrote:Hop: Do you have a positive read on anyone?Becauseit looks very like that you're keeping your options open?
I think its pretty clear how you're keeping your options open, plus the fact that I explained it again today.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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How?HopOnMyJoystick wrote:
This contradicts what you just said IMOEmpking wrote:You're right about Lord being dead I forgoty about that. But HOW THE HELL DID YOU KNOW NOC WAS DEAD?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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An answer that's relevant to the question would be preferred.Empking wrote:
How?HopOnMyJoystick wrote:
This contradicts what you just said IMOEmpking wrote:You're right about Lord being dead I forgoty about that. But HOW THE HELL DID YOU KNOW NOC WAS DEAD?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. I am scumhunting and I am reading players. I can tell you why I find them scummy but I'm not going to build a proper case and allow your buddies to use them to get you off from being today's lynch.
2. I'm withholding info from the scum. Town can look at the data just like I've done.
3. I've considered the possibility and have found it lacking.
Edit; How in the good lord's name have I been withholding my reads on players. Everybody is well aware who my four main suspects are. And you've rebutted nothing even DB agreed with that (I think).Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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As town, there isonereason to post a case. In order order to get a player lynched. That's it. And unless Primate or TM disagree with me in regards to that then I'm going to take that to my grave.
(Town doesn't need to be psychic, I know at this point in time I don't have a case on GW I'd have to look at his posts again to make a proper case.)
Smarge: I think bv is clearly town as his actions with regards to Hop certainly look like town actions (it doesn't strike me as bussing nor does it seem careful as we'd expect a scum vote on a townie would be.)
Hop: I'm willing to reevaluate you when new information comes to light.
Everybody: Not that the player who
1. Speaks generally about me saying Hop is misinteprating my posts too much but when given examples agrees that Hop is misinterpreting my posts. Classic scum trying to defend their buddy.
2. Chainsaw defends Hop.
3. Swaps his and Hop's vote (they keep the number of votes the same but allows Hop to move his vote and tries to reduce the connection of them voting me at the same time for a while) on me and just generally acts like Hop's buddy.
Is the one trying to force me into building a case on another player.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I've gotsmargaret wrote:Empking, how is that philosophy not tunneling? There is at least one other scum out there.fourscum reads on players. That's why I'm not tunelling. I'm just not going to expend my energies to prevent Hop from getting lynched when he's clearly scum.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Preferably the second.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:@emp - you told smarge that you think BV's actions are pro town, do you think somebody replacing into the game should focus on the person with the largest bandwagon or should comment on more than one player?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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