The duke of new york~!
@Zinive: I...actually lost count. >.>. I'm guessing somewhere around 20-25.
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Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
VibeBox wrote:VibeBox wrote: What,precisely, in my post you were referring to meets this criteria?
VasudeVa wrote:Yourwhole#65. Lots of quotes, little analysis. You just called someone on shitposting when you are posting shit yourself. What MoI said, basically.
Soo, because I misunderstood your fancy-shmancy hip version of 'Okay', thinking that you were calling me and Zinive not fail when you had little reason to say so, I'm automatically calling for brownie points?
Because podium is a 'fail', what's your read on him? Do you think he's Town-fail or scum-fail?
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a) Quite possible, but too few posts from all players mentioned at this point to make a proper judgment. (Except Fate, but he's forever stuck in nullsville for me outside of Innocent Childed-ness and cop confirmed innocent-ness.)Nachomamma8 wrote:Yeah.
a)VV, do you think there's a possibility of Fate, me, you, Magna, and GhostWriter all being town together? How great of a posssibility?b)At this point, which one do you believe the most likely to be scum?c)Why do you think this?c)Do you believe that it's in the town's best interest to wagon one of these five individuals to determine alignment?d)Do you believe wagoning is an effective tool in determining alignment?e)Who is your second scumpick? Why?
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Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
I'll slog through your 'case' when I'm in a mood to read your posts(Date TBA) and get right back atcha.Fate wrote:VV if you're not voting Podium or doing anything but dickin around on some side angle with someone that's posting more reads and thoughts than half the playerlist then...VasudeVa wrote:Well, Vibebox, now that you are actually explaining what you meant with your #65, it's not at all IIoA now isn't it? Your #65 alone is fillyed shitty unexplained statements on stuff happening in thread that I couldn't even understand what you meant by them. It may be partially my fault that I didn't understand it and saw it as shitposting, but it is also partially your fault that you didn't even bother to explain what you meant with some of those statements because you choose to be the that one guy with lame one liners that he thinks universally understandable.
GOOD TO HAVE YA BACK VV.
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Consider your playstyle for a bit. It's pretty reasonable for scum to kiss your ass if you are tunneling on a Townie.Fate wrote:VV's GHOST AND NACHO SCUM TOGETHER SHEEPIN FATE! Is hilarious.
Him using the words "Fate-virgin" should be added to the wiki. In fact, if VV wants to write a page on "Fate-tells" and how to deal with me I would be more flattered than upset (because no one can ever TRULY out the way my playstyle catches scum, it is ever changing.)
VV your post assumes I am town though, yet you have not stated that in thread yet and your last stance was "FATES BEIN FATE HES NULL"
I did. He went from 'What the hell are you talking about?' to 'Oh, wait you're serious. Okay, I'll defend myself.' and it looks like it has evolved to 'You're stupid, I'll stop arguing now'. How many times have you seen this sort of evolution of tone, since you're Fate and all. And how many times have you ended up on scum/Town?Fate wrote:And VV did you even READ the first reactions podium made to me? He didn't even start defending himself until it was clear I wasn't back down a good 5 pages in. Up until then it was all "HERPZ" and "DERPZ" and calling YOU scum for shoddy reasoning.
SO TRANSPARENTLY TOWN MY ASS
Meh, it was pretty obvious that I haven't exactly read the thread much before my huge post. It makes sense for him to read me as scum. However after dismantling all the horrible points against him, of courseFate wrote:MoI showed your VV scum read disappeared. I question your apparent 180 flip onto a VV town read and buddying up to him calling his post sexy. IF you were town could he not be scum off the wagon trying to subtly defend you?
BUT NO. HES AUTO-TOWN CAUSE HE CALLED YOU TRANSPARENTLY TOWN, AMIRITE?
Okay, 'bro'. Let me give you a heads up. First, you jokingly entered the podium wagon. Understand that you think you're a funny dude, and that's just you blatantly wagoning. However, that shit just doesn't fly with me. When someone is being opportunistic on a horrible wagon, they deserve to be called out on it.Nacho wrote:Vasu. That's not right, man. Podium just called everyone on his wagon idiots, dawg. No significant ways himself defended he. Nope. Also, I disagree with your read on me... ITS WRONG BRO. YOU GOTTA LEARN TO READ THE REASONS DESPITE THE JOKING, MAN. READ THE REASONS. Also bro, give ya reasoning. You said I was a bully, you didn't say why. You said post #111, and didn't say why. It's all based on ignorance, man. You don't like this style of play, brosesame street. It's okay, though. You don't gotta hate on me like that.
MAGNA SOMEBODY GOTTA SAY A YES MAN DON'T BE PESSIMISTIC ALL THE DAMN TIME DON'T TRY TO BE A HERO NEITHER JUST HIDE BEHIND SOME PROTOWN DUDE AND DO YO THANG.
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Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
What is wrong with podium's 'scumhunt'? There has been very little that has happened that wasn't about podium vs. Fate. This game is like 8 pages of Podium and Fate insult swordfighting with each other with Seacore refereeing and then had like 3 pages of other people when you posted this. In fact, when you posted this, there was barely any scumhunting from anyone else.MoI wrote:@VV regarding 176 – I understand your thought process in labelling Podium’s reaction to the way Fate plays. That said the point I find strongest against him is his ‘scum-hunting’.
This is a lazy opportunistic scum votetm.Implosion 241 wrote:Done reading. Blah. Long story short: MoI is right, podium has blatantly done no scumhunting at all (until earlier this page, and that's kind of shitty anyway). He just complains. And complains. And complains. His reaction to Fate is somewhat scummy IMO (though it's possible that it isn't) but the rest of what he's doing just isn't town. It just isn't.
It was pretty obvious that people were already talking about claims, so it was not unreasonable for Podium to think otherwise. You are making too much of a reasonable query. (Fate did too, but he's Fate so yeah.).GW wrote:176: You claim to not believe that I thought it was an obvious RVS vote whilst calling it an obvious RVS vote. You say that I should have seen it as reasonable for Podium to see it as a serious vote, but, as I have pointed out already, it is nothing more that Nacho's vote defined. If Nacho's is seen as RVS, Fate's was RVS. The corelation between the two is undeniable. When you simplify what Fate said, you end up with what Nacho said, and, assuming you read things in order, or ever went back and read what Nacho said first, this is obvious to see. If it isn't, then someone isn't thinking on the level I need them to think on as town. And rather than assume someone unable to grasp that fact, it seems far more likely that he is scum.
Soo, your main point is...everyoneNext, you talk about my post 59. The problem is that if he's going to even acknowledge what Fate says, then actually do something. If you think was he's saying is pure horse manure and that you want nothing to do with it, then say so ONCE, and let it go until he says something that you, or a good-sized number of your peers, consider to be a legitimate case that you need to argue against. What the hell is good about him just saying "herp derp" until he has multiple pages in his iso making it look like he's posting well when most of it is pointless drivel and contentless babble that has no point?
No. You are not looking into the meat of the argument. It is basically Fate playing dirty(he admitted to this, but it's null with Fate's play.) because he read podium as scum. He didn't even need to admit to it, it was pretty obvious if you actually read Fate's ridiculous reasonings. You did not look into that at all. Therefore, you are not reading into anyone.GW wrote:My 101 is not saying that at all. You tell me, where was my discussion going? In circles. I don't feel like restating my point and restating my point and restating my fucking point. Oh, just because he says "Nuh uh" to what I say, that makes it true? No.
Oh wow, the chainsaw accusation! Let me take a page of what I learned from Glork.GW wrote:That whole post, essentially, was a textbook chainsawing of Podium's attackers. You voted me, the loudest person on the Podium wagon who isn't Fate. You FoS'd Nacho, a quieter member of the wagon who appears fairly solidly locked in. You attempt to dispell Fate by chalking it all up to "you guys just don't know how to deal with Fate, and you're being taken advantage of for it" by use of the "Fate-virgins" term, without actually coming out and FoSing him. I assume it's due to fear. You cut through Seacore's attacks and call them all bad, but leave him alone, I assume because Fate is already after him partly, and you'd rather wait for Fate to commit to it more, and then follow by using this post as your jumpoff. Quite frankly, if Podium flips scum, this post alone would be my motivation to come after you right after.
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There have been two major conflicts in this game. Fate and the mindless sheep Vs. Podium and the minor-conflict inVibeBox vs. MoI-Vas-Seacore AVDWPVOLNU(Alliance Versus Douchebags Who Post Vague One Liners Noone Understands.)Zdenek wrote:I've been fairly suspicious of VasudeVa because he seems to have been avoiding a lot of the major conflicts in the game, so I've been re-reading his posts.
Add this to my points against implosion in #263. Zdenek summed it up real well.Implosion 263 wrote:A thought occurs. What if podium is a jester? I'm not sure but I think he might be going out of his way to be scummy... he just ignored my question for the second time in a row, and I'm pretty fucking sure it was on purpose. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
GW's attack on him is stupid. He already had attempted to explain his side to Fate. GW's attack was 'Oh, it's obviously RVS'(it wasn't, due to seacore's claim discussion.). There had been multiple pages of podium trying to say 'Well, I didn't think it was RVS! I thought Nacho's was RVS, but I didn't know that Fate's was!'. Seriously, that argument had been long drawn out by that time, I think.Nachoscummah wrote:Quote =/= my point. Quote was to put GW's case and podium's rebuttal side-by-side, so I could point out that something hadn't been done. Read closer, bromeo.
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Wrong on both accounts. I did not let VibeBox 'off the hook'. I basically warned him about his very easily misunderstood posting style.Zdenek wrote:Here you let VibeBox off the hook really easily.
Your ISO 9 is okay, but it is almost IIoA. It certainly contains some analysis, but a lot of just deals with general reactions to fate and playing with fate.
How is 'His reaction is somewhat scummy IMO' not lazy? (Which was your comment on podium in your whole 241, others are lame questions and lame assertions that barely explain anything)? How is a vote hop onto the largest wagon with you barely doing anything to make sure of your read on podium not oppurtunistic?implosion wrote:First of all, it is neither lazy nor opportunistic. First of all, I had to read through 10 pages since I haven't been keeping up. Second of all, he looked the scummiest to me. I had just come back into the game - how is me voting for him opportunistic?
You aren't even paying attention to the guy you are attacking. Podium's #314 said I was town because of my attention to detail and my perseverence in swimming through the muck. You didn't even disagree with his reasoning there! You simply ignored it.Implosion 241 wrote:If he summed up the thread exactly as you would have, then why the hell did you never mention a thing about Ghost or Nacho? And why does him summing up the thread as you would have make him town, anyway? He did something you would have done. Cool. He called you town. Cool. And this makes him town to you because...?
Sure you have! You've agreed to shit reasoning already available in thread! Wanna know why I think GW and Nacho are scummy? Because they started this shit reasoning. I am giving lotss of heat for it and now you too are burning with them.implosion wrote:I gave an explanation. The reasoning that I had been thinking already existed in the thread. Maybe I didn't go in-depth into explaining myself but I think the reasons I voted him were clear.
Oh that. That was a theory I have on Town/Scum behavior when dealing with someone Fate.Implosion wrote:I criticized your post... without criticizing your post. Interesting. The main reason you said that podium was essentially definite town was the way he reacted to Fate. Are (or were) you implying that a Fate-virgin scum would literally give up? OH BTW he did give up against me... what do you think about that?
The problem I have about your post is that I honestly don't think an honest, rational person could come to the conclusion that podium is obviously town. A dishonest, rational person could come to such a conclusion.
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Oh really~?implosion wrote:His reaction wasn't the main reason I jumped on the wagon. I read through ten pages, and then said what I thought. Yes, I jumped on the largest wagon. No, I didn't do it without reasoning.
This suure looks like it~ the rest is either IIoA("complaining complaining") or parroting MoI("MoI is right!").implosion #314 wrote:Done reading. Blah. Long story short: MoI is right, podium has blatantly done no scumhunting at all (until earlier this page, and that's kind of shitty anyway). He just complains. And complains. And complains.His reactionto Fate is somewhat scummy IMO (though it's possible that it isn't) but the rest of what he's doing just isn't town. It just isn't.
Sorry, I meant #234, his response when I asked him why he was refusing to give out his Fate/Vas reads.implosion wrote:What number post is this? 314 wasn't a post by podium.
The main difference is: You aren't even reading his podium's posts. You pick a quote and make it appear as scummy as possible.implosion wrote:Would you rather I quote every single thing podium has said? You can argue that anyone making a case is cherry picking by virtue of them only showing certain quotations - that doesn't mean that they are.
This is logically fallacious.implosion wrote:I'm not saying that defending podium is scummy. I don't think saying the case on him is bad is scummy - I just don't think a townie would think he was town. And why can't it work like that? Because you said so? And I'm not even arguing from motivations - I'm arguing from use of logic. I just don't think that someone who was being honest would come to the conclusion that podium is obvtown.
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In this quote, he asks why podium thinks I'm Town. Never mind that podium already explained his Vas-Town reasoning here. He didn't even acknowledge podium's reasoning why he thinks I'm town. Instead...he asks again when the question has already been answered..? This is evidence that implosion is not even reading into the person he is accusing. He is lazily hopping along the wagon without his own investigation.imposion ISO #4 wrote:If he summed up the thread exactly as you would have, then why the hell did you never mention a thing about Ghost or Nacho? And why does him summing up the thread as you would have make him town, anyway? He did something you would have done. Cool. He called you town. Cool. And this makes him town to you because...?
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I don't buy it. Plus it is severely outdated. Do you still think so?MoI wrote:Are you seriously asking this question. I pointed out exactly what I disliked about Podium’s ‘scum-hunting’ in my review of the case against him. ISOing me should quickly show you my thoughts on the issue. Be advised that based on prompting that is explianed further in this post I have revised my opinion on his scum-hunting re: Implosion.
Really? In that other game you are talking about, I had criticized a certain person's poorly reasoned tunnel(scummy) and then identified possible scum motivations(mislynch). implosion critisized my defense of podium(not scummy) and then identified possible scum motivations(lame scum keeping options theory.)MoI wrote:Really? I thought it was easy to identify ‘SCUM INTENT’ in posts even without being able to identify specific scummy things about the post in question. You’ve said so elsewhere. I’d really like to hear your response to this.
Fate wrote:I hate being on a wagon with you VV.
And you wonder why people like to wagon you D1 when you post gems like this.Seacore wrote:I admit that my staying on podium is a little lazy, but I do genuinely find him scummy. Just because other people have been satisfied with his explanation of his behaviour or have moved on does not mean I have to. To just label it as "spaghetti flinging" is not apt. When you consider that over half the posts in this game are podium's, and that his attitude bounces back and forth depending on his mood, it's difficult to address all of it at once. And it's also incorrect to do so. Just because he calmed down at some point does not mean that his early ranting and flailing wasn't a scum tell. It's just a scum tell before a good night slee
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Circular reasoning is circular.podium123456 wrote:why would you revive me if you were scum? so you could say 'why would i revive you if i was scum?'.
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WIFOM is not just something you call WIFOM and ignore forever. Any WIFOM is an inherent problem and has to be dealt with.podium123456 wrote:It's wifom, and can be a scum tell when used as a defense.VasudeVa wrote:Circular reasoning is circular.podium123456 wrote:why would you revive me if you were scum? so you could say 'why would i revive you if i was scum?'.
Who had the other kill flavor then?Seacore wrote:Vas, when you say "Implosion's chicken stuff", do you mean that implosion Role Cop'd Podium During N2 and found out that he was now a chicken? Because that's not a big deal, podium admitted to that immediately after I raised him on Day 2. If you've seen the episode with Billywitchdoctor.com, in an attempt to raise shake from the dead, he raises a giant demon chicken.
Wow that makes podium look bad.
No, it doesn't, because podium was killed by the only kill method currently remaining, so it's not him.
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!