Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[nocase]

vote: zorblag.

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vote: zorblag.

Seriously?

elaborate for pizza.

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vote: zorblag.

Seriously?

elaborate for pizza.

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mariyta, why do you assume i am voting on account of the report?

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so, mariyta, you think it's more likely that i believe gandalf is the cop than that i'm wagoning for the usual reasons people wagon a few posts into the game?

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mariyta, i don't see how the timing of my appearance is relevant. i happened to be online at the time, so i posted. in my experience, people jokingly make up reasons like that for their opening votes all the time, and that possibility aside there was no reason not to entertain gandalf in case he was seriously fishing for reactions. i think gandalf's play so far has been pretty clearly facetious. your "seriously?" looked pretty rhetorical, as if you actually thought it looked like i was being serious. it didn't have air (at least the way i read it) of "wondering." similarly to vi, i'm tempted to tag you as scum trying to hard. but i know i can get pretty zealous early in the game too.

I think this is my first time playing with nocase and gandalf.

lol.

I'm already glad they're here.

anyway,

unvote

;

vote: exe

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oh, wow.

unvote. vote: tanstalas.

i still don't like how exe completely ignored gandalf's shenanigans but i feel much more comfortable with this.

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dammit, vi.

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lack of votes do not lynch scum. humorous votes do not lynch scum. serious votes do lynch scum. i am voting seriously where many others are still voting humorously. that's now please explain how that is not expressly pro-town, or are you just reaching for something because my vote's landed on you?

p.s. his.

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so you're leery of me because i found a better place for my vote and acted accordingly.

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yo, inhim, bro, you got da pos'striction up in dis hood?

tanstalas stuff:

Really curious what that is, am I missing something, or is that a secret communication to your scum partner?

extremely scummy mudslinging rhetoric coming from someone who is not a newbie. i'll have to do some meta, though, to make sure it's anomalous.

Not really worried about you voting me, not like I am at L-1 yet, just curious as to your reasoning.

anyone else notice the change in tone/voice when vp baltar really dishes out the pressure?

there is a distinction between being leery of me and thinking i'm scummy, and while players often conflate the two in their writing i think tanstalas was/is aware of it. i don't like that attack on him.

i still think tanstalas's first post is scummy. there were several conversations going on, but tans homed in on two little thing troll said at the exclusion of everything else. it's as if he was just reaching for something easy to comment on, and even then it was pretty clear that troll was being facetious. i'm having a hard time buying that tanstalas could've possibly missed it. and again with the rhetoric: ". . . because you are scum?"

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we are lynching tanstalas and we are lynching him right now.

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then at least post something meaningful. i've been waiting all game.

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you're both being anti-town. now let's hold hands and lynch tans.

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unvote. vote: mothrax.

i could go for this wagon.

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unvote.

You really haven't provided us with anything the past few days. What is your opinion of Mariyta and the wagon on her?

i had a null read on mariyta and i was skeptical of one or two of the players on her wagon. at this point, however, i'm

more

skeptical of

more

of the players off her wagon.

vote: mariyta.

dangle her or i drop your world.

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oh, screw it.

@vi

and

@zorblag

, wax philosophical to me about vp baltar.

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the only thing that puzzles me is that i'd think mariyta-scum would request flavor, as ythill permits it (general rules, 9). lazy scum is the only explanation the way i see it. or mariyta pulled a nocase and liberally skimmed the rules, which WOULD ALSO MEAN LAZY SCUM SINCE THIS HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AS A HEAVILY THEMED GAME

LO

LOLO

LOL

OLOLO

. . .

(also, if mariyta flips scum, then

f.o.s.: xvart

for the bus. in iso. 2 he produced a reasoned vote for uite, and his continued interrogation of uite in iso 3. betrayed that his suspicion of him had not ebbed, but in iso. 3 he also switched his vote to mariyta as the wagon escalated. i'm down with vi and balto there.)

. . .

OLOL

.

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Alright, Mariyta wagon is a go. The zero flavor thing is really eating at me...something is fishy about that.

SCUMMY.

also, note that mariyta-town does not equal xvart-town. my meta of him disapproves of other things he's been doing.

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Baltar, a reference that is yet an enigma to me due to having never seen Battlestar Galactica. His permanent identity is one of Hunter S. Thompson, the gonzo journalist with a taste for drugs and adventure. How this ties into his gameplay, I am not entirely sure - although it directly segues into him being called a druglord by ABR, a nickname which has since stuck due largely to me thinking it's funny. Actually, the only thing I'm getting out of this is that someone should be waxing philosophical about me.

i will slap you.

he seems slightly off to me - his rhetoric, partly - but i know you (and, iirc, troll) have played with him a lot, so yeah.

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@#$%ing lucky charms.

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you probably needed it for convincing us that you're not scum.

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Nothing of note. Just the daughter of the Ungrika clan and working as a juggler stuff.

wow. i have no words for you.

[nocase]

The PM said I could request flavor. I didn't see a point. I don't need it for anything.

funny because i'm town and my pm doesn't say that.

@uite

, i'm not outing which ones at this point in time.

we're lynching mariyta.

[nocase]

If you're a power role, you would have the flavor already. If not, it would tell you that you could request it. Good job outing yourself if you really are town.

nope, i have flavor. i'm not outing whether or not i'm vt or pr, though, but good try.

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i'm not telling because there's no need to give scum unnecessary info.

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shrug.

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unvote. vote: exe.

i still wish mariyta could die just because i think her flip would produce a lot of reads but whatever.

i want to stab inhimshallibe in the eyeballs.

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if she flipped scum then i would've been confident xvart was smart with her. a couple of town reads would also have been solidified.

i'm voting exe because he's scummier than mariyta, and the flavor deal was apparently more a mixup than a scum slip.

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sorry, xvart, i didn't expect you to cling to such a dumb question. i wagoned because it was the best place for my vote in terms of garnering reactions.

tanstalas looks town. let's hang the exe man.

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i'm getting bad vibes from mothrax. i'm down with offing him if exe can't go.

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vi, are you scum in this game?

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the lurking hurts. either exe or someone who is both wagoning and lurking has to go. preferably exe. hop to it, jerks.

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i've sucked lately so i figure i owe you assholes some substance. so - and i promise you my reluctance knows no bounds - go-go gadget stream of consciousness.

1.

@balto

, vi's play seems off the beaten vi track. lackluster, maybe. vi and lackluster do not compute. but then to my knowledge we've only played one game together and i don't recall ever extensively meta-reading him, so whatever.

2. inhimshallibe is flying fast and furious under the radar. nauseatingly scant content.

3. at this point i really would rather not lynch mariyta. evidently the disparity between my "flavor" and hers is nonexistent. it's all a big misunderstanding, uh-huh, conciliatory hugs and kisses, the death penalty is murder and i'd rather be fishing, yes, sir!

4. the more attention i pay to mothrax, the scummier he gets. his scum hunting looks lazily constructed and phony in general.

5. when he defends himself, tanstalas bleeds town from every external body orifice i can think of. what gives me pause is the unoriginality (as far as i'm concerned) of his scum-hunting efforts. but i'm not sure if unoriginal scum hunting necessarily translates to phony scum hunting. it tortures me.

6. our friendly neighborhood troll seems never to take a hardline stance. huh.

7. xvart is a big fat vat of . . . i don't know what. lots of vague musings (i'm tempted to term some of it chitchat) in isos. 0–2. iso. 3 concludes with a weak-looking vote on mariyta. isos. 4 and 5 looks more town but there's still too much and too little for my liking. it seems as though xvart homes in too much on specific topics of conversation at the expense of attention to

many

other players at a time, which makes me think he's not genuinely exploring things the way a townie would. granted, it's still relatively early in the game, and i can't say xvart is the only guy guilty of this stuff.

fos: exe.
INTRIGUING, YO: xvart.
???: zorblag.

p.s. vote xvart and i give you tokens.

p.p.s. re: preview edit. GODDAMN IT. more scummy rhetoric from tanstalas. HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.

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ebwop: scratch that last line. i misread tanstalas's last post.

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fos: mothrax

as well, though he's still not quite on exe's level. and

curb-stomp: inhimshallibe

.

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@inHim: Then lynch me. Nothing is stopping you.

DON'T DO IT, FKR.

anyone still voting mariyta needs to be switching to exe or at least mothrax.

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i am seriously in awe at how much irrelevant fluff xvart can spew about a goddamn first-page vote.

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i am refusing to answer the question because monuments could be built to its triviality by comparison with things that have since transpired. you dig your own grave by continuing to focus on it at the expense of almost everything else that's going on, and i'm prolonging the process because i think there might be a scum lynch on the tail end of it.

[nocase]

hey, guys, hey, guys, hey, guys.

sniper-dangle exe.

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i don't know what to make of this. i really, really, really don't like the idea that the mod can just generate a full role pm on demand. it renders l-1 claims meaningless.

unvote. vote: mothrax.

still down with an exe lynch if people are willing to take a leap of faith.

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balto's got it right.

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mothrax shows up, claims pr, we get off, rinse, repeat, no-lynch.

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balto (and anyone else who cares to wax eloquent about it): inhimshallibe?

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Gut read on vp probably came from avi/name more than anything...

===[]

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reread mothrax's post. feel like an idiot.

unvote.

more later.

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vote: inhimshallibe.

i've been itching to do that for way too long.

exe and zorblag both get to join him in the special corner.

i'm dying of curiosity about some of the content mothrax has promised.

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okay, look, just cut to the troll wagon bit.

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troll's posts don't look like they're coming from the perspective of a townie trying to find scum.

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unvote. vote: exe.

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I AIN'T NUTTIN' TA FUCK WIT.

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Zorblag actually a tad suspicious if Exe is town. A tad.

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I'M UNTOUCHABLE.

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I Produce a Knife.

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tick, tock.

vote: zorblag.

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lol, not telling.

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no, inhimshallibe, you're not the target i have in mind.

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all right, guys, i'm ready to go out on a limb.

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and . . .

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. . . i'm an impatient man.

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you're both town, ergo shut up.

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IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE?

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STOP HIDING, MARIYTA.

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so basically mothrax doesn't pay close attention to the thread and never produces original content.

vi, hold me.

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back off, maaan.

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Although really, if I knew nocase was in charge of the VP Baltar hit you'd THINK I'd be voting him right now.

wait, what?

there's inhim's ability and then there's mine . . . ?

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vi, my day kill is vp baltar's?

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oh.

unvote. vote: xvart.

(L-3)

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BEHOLD, I AM A MORON.

I Use Knife to Backstab: Mariyta.

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that was mega-scummy by mothrax.

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mothrax looks like he just got a fake pm from ythill and, thusly equipped, is bsing his way into supporting a mass claim.

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why are you taking vi's word as the law?

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so why again is mariyta town?

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Rawr. I turn into a werewolf and kill: Mariyta.

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. . . oopsy.

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connections with exe and process of elimination said she was scum.

two wrong-flavor attempts?

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i know. i giggled at your "hands" reference. the knife posts were fishing for reactions, which were pretty goddamn lacking.

what now? dunno. i'ma just sit here with my thumb up my bum for a little while and let you do stuff for me. the xvart move intrigues me.

[nocase]

For some reason I thought you were going after Troll with the daykill

his latest post changed my mind. HOWEVA, i still find his play disturbingly indecisive.

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v/la till wednesday or thursday.

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(from the land of v/la.)

i just realized i need to meta mothrax to see if he's always this incompetent. getting content from him is like pulling woolly mammoth teeth.

xvart needs to die and/or be slapped in the face.

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mothrax: i want reasons for every single read you stated on page 29.

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I am a charlatan, which is sort of a hider/thief hybrid variant. I can choose to visit someone for the duration of the night and possibly find clues/steal something. I cannot use this ability two nights in a row. I used my ability last night on Mariyta and did not steal anything or find any clues.

SO WHO'S UP FOR A LYNCHING?

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I disagree. Exe, Troll or mothrax would all be superior lynches at this juncture.

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huh.

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unvote. vote: mothrax.

i don't know if this answers your question but my ability is one-shot.

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*eyes seraphim warily*

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since you obviously have the time to pay attention to the thread and hold a convo with vi, why don't you get on with producing the content you promised?

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why would mothrax stick his neck out over the chopping block by making that revision if he was scum?

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@vi

, good enough for me. this answer better be good enough for you, too, because i'm feeling particularly lazy tonight.

@mothrax

, you're not producing content that looks deep and genuine enough for me to trust any of your reads. reads like a thinly veiled masquerade.

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hey, guys, let's lynch mothrax. if he's not scum then i don't want him in lylo anyway.

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my gandalf rb

Stop. Breathe. Double-check. Breathe. Retry.

HE'S FLIPPIN' CONTINENTS.

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in other news.

xvart's play is just so lackluster that it flies totally in the face of my meta on him. i still really hate the conflict of my reads with the role claims.

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This is simply a prod response. The break has continued to be busy and I've not had a chance to look at MS at all since my last post in this thread. I'll get some actual content in before I head out for the evening tomorrow and once the quarter starts on Monday I'll actually be in a much more settled schedule.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

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why wait for them? he isn't at l-1.

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i haven't undergone an alignment change.

also, hey, guyz, i'm a pr; want me to claim?

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um. okay. urgh.

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hey, wait, why is inhimshallibe town again?

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HEHEHEH.

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if xvart is scum then i am officially an asshole for letting claims sway reads.

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tick, tock, uite.

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i am an asshole.

okay, guys, i'm a cutpurse. i choose a player each night and discover a flavor item that player is carrying.

two nights ago i checked inhimshallibe and found an ungrika clan seal.

last night i checked uite and found a . . . lol, did uite ever claim his role? i can't find it.

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no, troll, because i was considering the possibility of some sort of sane-insane combo.

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which, you're right, probably would have been ridiculous since your role is also investigative.

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yeah, it was a pitch pipe.

hmm.

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vote: seraphim.

l-2.

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wooooh. mothrax, explain to me what clears uite.

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unvote.

first, i'm pretty sure when gandalf said uite was clear he meant me, and regardless that spiel of his looks mega-town. second, i'm super dubious about the idea that xvart would pronounce such a strong town read on his scum buddy.

anyone wanna enlighten me on why i got a clearcut innocent report on inhimshallibe and an ambiguous role-specific report on uite? i've got a hunch that the mod would be inclined to drop the ambiguous on a townie and the clearcut on a godfather. i'm anxious to see him confirm his role.

@inhimshallibe

, there nothing more to your role than the balto thing, confirm or deny.

vote: tanstalas.

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why do you feel good about it, inhimshallibe?

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Something is bugging me... Someone tried to frame Uite, vi called him scum so by her dying the natural conclusion would be to assume it was someone she had spoken out against. I need to reread her...

i'm trying to figure out if there's a slip hidden in here.

[nocase]

i'm aware of all that.

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unvote.

tanstalas just looks too town.

[nocase]

to answer your question, nocase, it was process of elimination.

also, wow, i'm slow. check this out.

I already said she was my number two scum read at the time.

Then why would you even consider Vi? I mean, I would have approved of the Vi block given my view during the night, but considering RBing someone because he/she leads the town over your number two suspect?

I'm sort of waiting on Troll/Seraphim before casting my Mothrax vote.

lol? I don't think it really matters if I vote now or after Troll/Seraphim come back; but whatever.

VOTE: mothrax

how certain are you guys that mothrax's role is confirmable town?

[nocase]

vote: mothrax.

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seraphim, what happened to tanstalas-scum?

also, i'm starting to feel like there's something off about tans's style and trail of scum hunting, but maybe i'm just getting paranoid.

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oh, vi, i had misread your list(s) in the first place. for some reason i thought mothrax was crossed off.

uite is not clear. he could be a godfather or i could be insane. intuitively, though, he looks town to me despite his reads.

with respect to inhimshallibe, i'm torn.

between mothrax and tanstalas, i think tanstalas's claim fits the setup better, especially if there are only three buckets. so does uite's for that matter.

also, i completely forgot about the curse element. sup, mafia recruiter. if kills go in ahead of time and recruits occur instantly then that is a potential explanation for vi's continued non-carcassiness.

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d'oh, you're right; we can't have some guy walking out of a scum quicktopic in his town hat. maybe it is preventive then. or maybe it's something entirely different, whatever.

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point taken, uite, but that doesn't clear you of being a godfather type.

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or musical scum.

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I am going to get it if we aren't right, but it is pure luck that I am dropping the hammer.

I meant that in that I had been trying to get to my computer to post a seraphim vote for a while and never got a chance. I would be voting seraphim regardless of whether or not I had hammered.

what the complete fuck?

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i checked tans. he has needles.

vote: mothrax.

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i checked tans. he has needles.

vote: mothrax.

Oh yeah, semi-forgot about the flavor claim on Uite. Maybe it's Troll.

troll claimed to give me day vig and uncced in that regard. he also played a key role in both scum lynches.

why does everyone keep ruling out mothrax? just because he supposedly has a scummy play style doesn't mean he didn't get a mafia role pm at the start of mini 1090. also, he claimed to have "been trying to get to [his] computer to post a seraphim vote for a while and never got a chance" but if you look at his posting history you'll see he made a post in a different game four minutes before he posted his hammer on seraphim. the whole spiel was bizarrely paranoid and survivalist even without that information. if he was desperately trying to get in a vote and his computer was being so stubborn then why would he just switch over to another game and somehow get in a post like he did?

[nocase]

my abilitiwes are instant.

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abilities.

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@inhimshallibe

, could you please go into more detail about the pgo aspect? does it only stop kills? also, is it only effective at night or does it also count during the day?

so, to state the obvious:

• a. inhimshallibe is scum and lolol.
  b. inhimshallibe is town and there are four mafiosi.
  c. inhimshallibe is town, there are three mafiosi, and the remaining mafioso is the guy who no-scoped jfk.

role claims:

• vanilla townies: 2 alive, 3 dead.
  town prs: 4 alive, 1 dead.
  mafia goons: 1 dead/confirmed.
  mafia prs: 1 dead/confirmed.

town power roles

flavor cop. immediate. nocase.

INVESTIGATIVE.

roleblocker. delayed. mothrax.

BLOCKING.

vig/bomb (one shot), temporary reviver (one shot). immediate. inhimshallibe.

KILLING

,

DISTRIBUTIVE

.
inventor effective only on town (one shot), rolestopper effective only on town (one shot). immediate. zorblag.

INVESTIGATIVE

,

BLOCKING

,

KILLING

,

DISTRIBUTIVE

.
kill predictor. immediate. vi.

INVESTIGATIVE.

known scum roles

recruiter into the mafia or a scum-occupied neighborhood (?). exe.
vanilla. xvart.

so basically we've got a straight flavor cop (which is beginning to look like it functions as a regular cop), an investigative inventor who is also a rolestopper, a kill predictor who can confirm invention (and who can absolutely ensure that the cop outs reports before getting killed), a delayed roleblocker, and a one-shot vig who acts as a bomb if he doesn't use his shot and who can also call in a dead player to make a post.

this goes up against a vanilla goon, a recruiter whose role name hints at no other abilities, and one or two other roles, at least one of which must be a roleblocker or godfather.

three investigative roles of some sort, a roleblocker, zero millers out of three dead vanilla townies and two more vt claims, an gun inventor and rolestopper that can't distribute guns to scum, and a one-shot vig and semi-resurrector that can't scum can't safely knock out without taking a loss, AND THE DELAYED FUNCTION OF NIGHT KILLS MEANS THAT THE MAFIA CANNOT QUICKLY REACT TO NEWLY DISCOVERED THREATS.

FZCK.

inhimshallibe should use his shot today. the only way our two remaining vt claims can both be scum is if they have brick-shitting roles, so they're off the table for the shot, and they're probably off the table for the lynch, too. if mothrax is town then we should take a long hard look at troll and inhimshallibe. i could absolutely see a scum-sided gun distributor, especially since he can't distribute to scum, and the curse may equate with a protective or rolestopping ability that targets teammates. a scum-sided day vig is also exceedingly plausible, and day vig is a simple ability so it's exceedingly plausible that it fits neatly in with another anti-town ability.

if we shoot or lynch a pr claim and the player flips scum and the game doesn't end then that would be the time to take uite and mothrax more seriously.

i need to mull over this some more.

unvote.

[nocase]

uite is off the table for the shot so quit making fun of him, assholes.

[nocase]

there's no point in waiting for night results because even if you are town, scum may have an immediate roleblocking ability.

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speaking of uite, uite, stop lurking.

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actually, i'm an idiot, but i do want to know the order of your top two scum reads, uite.

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can you just shoot mothrax before we trick ourselves into keeping him alive?

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SHOOT MOTHRAX.

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THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT.

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am i the only one who's thinking inhimshallibe and zorblag shouldn't be on the same side?

why the authoritative fuck are we lynching uite right now?

[nocase]

that's what i get for skimming.

[nocase]

a lot of this is regurgitation.

quick iso. read of zorblag says he could be scum with exe or xvart but there isn't much there other than xvart talking about him a whole lot without stating a read on him.

if mothrax is scum then i'd look to tanstalas and uite, and the urge to ax-murder tanstalas would be all but overwhelming, but ONCE AGAIN they are BOTH off the table today. we assume lylo with mothrax-town and two remaining scum, and mothrax-town confirms that at least one of the pr claims is scum. as far as i'm concerned, it's more likely that both zorblag and inhimshallibe are scum despite their conflicting roles than that both vanilla townie claims are scum.

exe completely ignored inhimshallibe and paid little critical attention to zorblag.

in iso. 13, xvart briefly fosed inhimshallibe and mothrax alongside mariyta. meh. later, inhimshallibe drills xvart's role claim ("hole-y claim is full of holes") and xvart refuses to clear inhimshallibe "without more details surrounding the mechanics of his role, especially since it has not been proven yet." this could be scum buddies tiptoeing around each other, but i'm super dubious.

inhimshallibe seemed apathetic about exe (says in iso. 32 that the role exe claimed looked like a third party—okay, and?). this is fishy because he slammed exe in iso. 20. shamelessly sheeps the exe wagon in iso. 28. on the other hand, i'm not sure inhimshallibe-scum would want to go out of his way to post isos. 33 and 35 just for the sake of looking town in the event of an exe lynch. the "actually, whoa" bit and the hesitation look like they're coming from a legitimately uncertain townie. huh.

inhimshallibe on xvart, now. iso. 19: "not opposed to an xvart lynch." great, more fence sitting. iso. 20, whatever. iso. 31: he considers "most of xvart's posts to not be compelling," which reeks of tiptoeing, and then promises to look into xvart, which he never follows up on. then comes the "hole-y claim is full of holes" bit, accompanied by a vote on xvart. iso. 67: flat-out states disbelief in xvart's role.

iso. 2: both xvart and exe fall under "GETTING THERE." just saying.

i can't be be bothered to attempt to decipher zorblag. his posting style is cold as ice.

no night kills to look at. suck.

i highly doubt that inhimshallibe is scum with tanstalas.

a lot of inhimshallibe's posts read like he's uninvolved in the game.

this sucks. for me it's a coin flip between inhimshallibe and zorblag assuming they aren't both town. if mothrax flips scum then that would help a lot in that regard. the only thing that really sways my opinion one way or the other is this:

inHim is, by our continued semi-existence, Town. It would be a cruel trick otherwise.

vote: zorblag.

with an abundance of meh.

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what the hell was i thinking? if inhimshallibe was scum then he could have just left out the resurrection-for-a-post bit. if his role required that he resurrect someone then he should've used it asap and claimed that it only lasted a certain amount of time.

in other news, i'm willing to bet that there are two scum left, as both troll and inhim have roles that are way too anti-scum for a three-man mafia regardless of whether or not either of them is scum.

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and with respect to timing, i think the best move is to let the mothrax kill go through but assume that (a) he is town and (b) there are two surviving scum, making today lylo. go-go gadget worst-case scenario.

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bump for lynchings.

i just can't get enough of how the first two scum were obvious and all that and we still might be in mylo/lylo with a bunch of obnoxious-to-read bastards.

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what

the

fuck

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@mothrax.

first, here's what you're saying:

a1. inhimshallibe can't be town if there are three scum.
a2. with five townies and one mafioso, a mislynch plus either a mis-vig or a night kill spells three-way lylo.
a3. if it's impossible that inhimshallibe is town, then we can afford a mislynch.

b1. inhimshallibe can be town if there are four scum.
b2. with four townies and two mafiosi, a mislynch plus either a mis-vig or a night kill spells a scum victory.
b3. if it's possible that inhimshallibe is town, then we can't afford a mislynch.

your logic doesn't follow.

second:

Zorblag confirmed you as town with his ability which scum would not go out of their way to do.

it isn't remotely farfetched that zorblag-scum took the long term into consideration, especially since two scum went through the hoop.

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i know you didn't but it was implicit.

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hey, tans, that last post was sorta scummy.

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jesus christ.

unvote.

i hope ythill posts the dead quicktopic at the end of this game. i'm sure there is much tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth. i feel like i'm missing something ax-murderously obvious if one of you is scum.

but.

the reasons not to lynch you are overwhelming.

the reasons not to lynch inhimshallibe are overwhelming.

maybe that's because mothrax is scum.

the amount of redundancy i'm spitting now is the stuff of legend but whatever. looking back on the dead scum roles, temptress strikes me as a potentially devastating, life-sucking, women-raping, children-enslaving role. IF, however, its

only

ability is recruitment or otherwise pro-scum communication then either mothrax's role catalyzes nuclear holocausts or he has a third teammate, which for some reason i considered unlikely as long as mothrax, as one of the pr claims, wasn't scum. that consideration was obviously beyond moronic because the

any

combination of three of the four town pr claims plus vi's role is still overwhelmingly powerful. there

must

be a scum roleblocker, and giving mothrax multiple key abilities unfairly puts all the mafia's eggs in his basket. i figured this whole time that, given a four-man mafia, there's one survivor between troll, shally, and mothrax and one survivor between tanstalas and uite. i really don't know what i was thinking; it makes AT LEAST as much sense that we can find both in the former group. so that alleviates the risk of this lynch a little.

also, going back to the temptress, i'm almost certain right now that it's either a recruiter paired with a traitor. i'm also toying with the idea of a mentor-mentee lover-like mechanic where vi was the mentee. the delay between exe's death and vi's death would make sense given the predictive aspect of vi's role, but going down that road happens to result in a total mindfuck since there's a tangible connection between vi's pro-town play and the purpose of vi's role. THEN AGAIN (lololol), it makes sense for a traitor/mentee out in the cold to know who's gonna die for obvious reasons (although maybe that's more a crutch than a reasonable utility).

terminate stream of consciousness.

tl;dr

it's really not remotely improbable that there are two scum between moth, shally, and troll, so we might be all the hyperventilation and wringing of hands might be whoosh.

To no one's surprise, I was told I would die Tonight. Troll, I suggest you just let it go through.

someone please tell me what the asdf this was supposed to mean.

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@inhimshallibe:

recruiter.

temptress.

RECRUITER.

TEMPTRESS.

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My main ability either gives us a guilty or gives a second shot at scum with the kill (but one in which I could be hit as well.) That's not as powerful as I think you're calling it.

you are a one-shot day doc and a one-shot cop–gun inventor fusion wrapped up in a single bundle of nuttin' but net. that's a pretty goddamn potent concoction, but yes, restriction to a pair of one-shot abilities minimizes your overall power. i would argue that whether or not your role is weaker than shally's depends largely on the usefulness/correctness of the content produced by shally's graveyard contact. i do admit, however, that either way shally's role seems stronger to some (small or large) degree. BUT it doesn't really matter because with two scum left it's overwhelmingly plausible that shally's role is balanced by (a) the nonexistence of your abilities and moth's abilities (on account of you and moth both being scum) or (b) the nonexistence of either your abilities or mothrax's abilities (on account of one of you being scum with tans or uite) plus the status of one or both of the remaining scum as having notable anti-town abilities.

and ultimately i agree that, although your posting style doesn't do much for my gut, your efforts to railroad both scum lynches would make for an absurd bus, especially assuming exe was a recruiter, though slightly less absurd if you have a full-fledged teammate rather than a traitor of sorts or none at all.

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to add to the second paragraph, the only thing that keeps you from totally blowing shally in terms of behavior is shally's paranoid tendencies, which i read as a town tell (and an even stronger town tell in a tense assumed-lylo situation).

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also, mostly because i adore quadruple posts:

@inhimshallibe

, you can't reapply your curse after it is removed, can you? (i'm sure this has already been covered in detail.)

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so why not forgive mothrax and reapply to zorblag, and then LOLOL we lynch you.

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yeah, i was gonna say, way to go.

with an exaggerated sigh,

vote: zorblag

.

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WAIT A SECOND. WHY WOULD INHIMSHALLIBE STAY QUIET ABOUT THE DAY VIG ON ACCOUNT OF PGO IF CLAIMING DAY VIG WOULD BE EVEN MORE OF A REASON FOR SCUM TO KILL HIM?

HOPING TO KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT AND THEN NINJA-DAY-VIG TO SEAL A WIN, INHIMSHALLIBE?

UNVOTE. VOTE: INHIMSHALLIBE.