Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[bv310]

Hullo, there!

[bv310]

Oh, I see it's Night. Well then.

[bv310]

vote: Hop

Setup speculation, in and of itself, is not scummy. Ignoring everything that has happened so far, including analyzing players based on known flips, in favour of pointless speculation is very much vote worthy.

Also, Hi! I'm your new Foilist. I'm partially through my readthrough now, and will attempt to get a big ol' wall of text up tonight or tomorrow.

[bv310]

Oh right, that's what I was supposed to do. Anyway, I'll get it done tomorrow.

[bv310]

Okay, so in catching up, I have decided the following:

HoMJ, Zang, and possibly Furc need rope. As it stands, I want HoMJ dead first. Every single post he's made so far today has been beyond useless. In some cases, he's just being a moron. In others, he is playing actively anti-town. He keeps trying to argue off his pointless posts by claiming that they're "just his playstyle". He's also being entirely too obsessive with activity (which is a classic scum tactic to seem pro-town)

Vote: HoMJ

If there's anything else you want me to comment on specifically, then ask. Otherwise, I'm going to take a look through again later on, once we've lynched HoMJ.

[bv310]

Are you seriously taking offense to the moron line? Don't go whining to ES just because you're being scummy and I call what I see. Anyway, since you asked so politely , here's just a few examples of you playing in ways that would have gotten you lynched if our stupid site meta didn't excuse Village Idiots for their own terrible play:

And why I say no lynch is anti town, now I don't have figures for the entire site, in newbie games when NL happens, mafia wins > 80% of the time

no lynch provides no useable vote comparison cause

Starting off nice and early, you immediately resort to Appeal to Numbers. Throwing up random stupid statistics like this is a classic way to give yourself an air of legitimacy.

2. This site has made me more cautious with lynching people like furc, because he belongs to the same group of people like Andrew, Shotty, David Parker, and some would say I belong in that group (I disagree with myself cause I have never and will never fake claim a power role if I am vanilla townie, and the others in that group including furc have) that being said these guys are almost always lynched day 1 because they are just crappy players and come off scummy almost every game.

That was the reason I unvoted him, I just don't want to be part of a furc wagon so early in the game

I completely understand people finding my actions slightly scummy but I can assure you I am not scum.

Bolding is HoMJ's, not mine. This is a shortened version of a massive chunk of scumminess. The bolded and the last line are probably the worst for it. First off, who gives a flying fuck when in the game it is? If someone is scummy enough to earn a vote, it shouldn't matter when it is. Last line is terrible too. There is no possible way that a Townie is that dumb to post something like that.

@LC

I went back and read and your straw man accusation failed as I never twisted anything noc said

I did misread one aspect of his post, I thought when he said" the wagon went too fast" he meant "the wagon went away too fast"

but he still lied when he said I pushed for his lynch, cause I never pushed for his lynch

right now I have caught noc in 2 pretty big lies and one minor one

for those at home the lies

1. I pushed furc's lynch - never pushed anything
2. I voted and quickly unvoted - 12 hours and 40 posts is not pushing
3. Said he posted his activity is limited, he never does - minor lie to possibly excuse his lurking but the Internet issue can be real so that is why I am mostly ignoring this one

Figured this whole post needed to be quoted. It is easily one of the worst defenses I've ever seen in a game of mafia, but I feel like the part that needs to be noted is the Nocmen case. Look at what he's using to push for a Nocmen lynch, and tell me if those seem in any valid.

And that's just in his first three pages of ISO. Shall I go on?






Also, In my post above, I wrote Furc instead of SV. My bad.
@Smargaret, I know this is pretty underwhelming, but I really cannot stand to read some of the posting in this game (which has been more than half of it, for the record), and I really can not draw reads in this game.

[bv310]

You see, your problem comes in assuming that I care whatsoever about whether you voted for me or not.

[bv310]

^It'd sure help me make sense of this last bit. Trying to read your argument back and forth is headache-inducing.

[bv310]

very interesting note, Emp's last log on is registered as Novermber 26th yet he has posted all day, the only time I have logged on anonymous is when I was scum.

you can call it WIFOM or whatever you want to twist it, but I am telling you the truth, the only time I want to hide my online status is when I am scum

I have no idea why he wants to just thought I would point that out as well.

Seriously? What the hell are you on? I've logged on as anonymous when I was avoiding a game.

[bv310]

Explain to me how you are cleared.

[bv310]

Reads on others will come later. Like Sunday-ish. Doombunny, I'm only doing it because I like you complaining so much.

Also, Hop, you are not confirmed town. You are

POTENTIALLY

confirmed as commuter, but even that is tenuous at best.

[bv310]

vote: Empking

Die scum die

[bv310]

Exams and essays, smarg. Got plenty of free time now, so I figured I'd go ahead and do a bit of a reread. Something stunk in Empking's posting, and I figured he was worth it, so I went ahead and investigated him. He is scum. Let's hurry up and lynch him, then aim for his buddy (I'm thinking either Primate or CDB at this point)

[bv310]

I'm not claiming what you think, but it's very very close.

[bv310]

Would you like me to fullclaim, mister third scum? I will be happy to. I'd prefer not to, given that I've still got a few more aces in the hole for the requisite NK attempt, but I will if it'll make you feel any better.

[bv310]

What I was saying is that I find DB's post right there extremely suspect. Why do you say there's only one other scum?

[bv310]

I just meant it as in "We already have Empking caught as scum, plus CDB is being all lurky, and now DB's reaction is hella scummy. Therefore, third scum."

[bv310]

That was me too, oddly enough. I'm Peter Bishop, Town-Aligned JOAT. I am a man of many talents, with a recorded IQ of 190. I was brought in as a civilian consultant to Fringe Division along with my father, Walter Bishop. I have several one-shot abilities, including an investigation, a kill, and several other useful abilities. I shot LC N1 based on his D1 play and his actions towards the wagons, then investigated Empking last night. I was given the result that Empking is scum.

[bv310]

Also, given that it's likely LyLo, I'd like to propose a massclaim.

[bv310]

I am the Observer. Alternating tracker - watcher. Tracked DB night 1 got nothing. Watched TM night 2 got nothing.

You misspelled "Scum Goon" here buddy. No reaction to my investigation at all?

[bv310]

Hi Zang! What do you think about Smarg being Emp\s scumbuddy? Trying to discredit a cop investigation on her confirmed-scum buddy seems to be pretty clear to me, even when I'm drunk.






[offtopic]
Also, GSP!GSP!GSP!

[bv310]

I was previously ignoring them for the simple reason that I did not have other strong reads beyond what I posted. By ignoring you, I had hoped you would move on and let me be my lurky self in peace My claim, however, is fully truthful.


Let me put it this way, do you believe the kill part of my claim? If not, why? If so, do you believe the investigation? If not, why? This will give us our scum/town division quite perfectly, I assure all of you. Also, DB, if you just put me in hammer range without being scum, congratulations on losing the game for us.

[bv310]

So Smarg is the other scum. Why would you wait this long for a Counterclaim? Oh yeah, it's because you are lying scum trying to save your buddy.

vote: Smargaret

Let's lynch the liar, then lynch my guilty result tomorrow. Two scum for one.

[bv310]

So you're saying that you didn't counterclaim because you wanted to save yourself, rather than do a 1-1 tradeoff? Yeah, you're full of shit.

[bv310]

Plus you thought you were an insane Doc, and you wanted to stay alive? Better luck next time, Smarg.

[bv310]

I'm willing to vote for either of them at this point. They're both very clearly scum.

[bv310]

Scumteam is bv, CDB, and TM.

So what you're saying is that you were willing to lynch someone in LyLo that you don't believe is scum? Nice try, scumbag.

[bv310]

What changed beyond your obv-fake counterclaim?

[bv310]

Yeah. That's what I've been saying. You're scum.

[bv310]

DB, he doesn't have one on me because he knows my claim is true and he's scum with Smarg.

I'll try to get a few connections or something up by later on tonight, then we can lynch either Smarg or Emp, prove my claim to be true, then lynch the other one tomorrow, and hopefully call it a game (If one of my remaining night actions works the way I think it does. It's kinda vague.)

[bv310]

No, you won't kill me. You'll make me "disappear", then I'll turn up dead a few days in. You know, your scumkill.

[bv310]

We've had one night KILL, which was me JOAT-Vigging LC on N1. Other than that, we've had the two scum-disappearances, which come from you/Smarg/your buddy. Please, feel free to try though, since this should be quite entertaining.

[bv310]

EBWOP: Misread, thought you said we had an SK.

But I went back and reread Smarg's claim.

On that note, Smarg trying to claim insane doc is blatantly false, since Zang was taken to the other side, then returned as mod-confirmed Town. Unless you're trying to say your N1 "protect" straight killed your target, then your N2 sent them to the Other Side and back. More Smarg votes please.

[bv310]

bv - Or, I targeted Zang but my ability, as stated in the role PM, only works against kills. If scum is responsible for the kidnapping, then scum could kidnap and I could protect the same person and the only thing that would show up would be the kidnap.

If so, then you would have stopped the kill on LC when I targetted him N1.

Why would you even target LC N1 anyway?

[bv310]

I have a Doc left. I just wanted to act vague to try and make the scum second-guess NKing me after we lynch one of them.

[bv310]

Except she didn't send me to the other side, someone else probably did. Depending on the mods order of actions,  Bv's protect/kill didn't work on me because I was already in the other side and could not be targeted.

I never targetted you. I killed LC N1, then Copped Emp N2

[bv310]

Same. I think we've kind of hit a dead end here until Primate/CD/TM decide to post...

[bv310]

Vote: smarg

I see what you're selling, and I'm not buying

<3 TM knows what's up.

[bv310]

They're both scum, so either lynch is a good one.

[bv310]

If we lynch Emp and he's not scum, I still have a doc left and Smarg is still lying about her role.

[bv310]

Please, someone hammer! Let's get our first scum lynch of the game!

[bv310]

Cool. Please do hammer. It'll give us two guaranteed scum lynches.

[bv310]

vote: Empking

My thoughts: Smarg was the shapeshifter. Not like anyone's gonna believe me now, despite the fact that we had a shapeshifter-cop claim before, but hopefully you guys can still win this after you get rid of me.

Search for TM

[bv310]

How do you know that?

[bv310]

And now to see who the last scum is (since smarg was #1, and Emp is #2)

[bv310]

Well, that'll teach me to not keep watching after watching season 1 to back up for this game.

Now I'm wondering what the hell's going on with 2 Peter Bishops. IIRC, he's the only one without an alternate.

[bv310]

GG Scum. Emp, you're a devious SOB to get out of a cop guilty on you. Congratulations.

[bv310]

Definitely a lynch, likely game, unless TM and DB both make miraculous comebacks.

[bv310]

What motivation would I have to lie now Zang? You lynched another Townie, despite a Guilty. With two scum left and the other two missing, short of them returning it's game over.