Lucid Dreamers - Game Halted

[Fate]

OH HAI GUYZ

I was avoidin this thread cuz SOMEBUDY was lurkin and didn't tell me if my N0 craft was cool or not.

[Fate]

Haylen + Fenhl.

While no-lynch would be good, I can see how experienced LD players can easily take advantage of the possible lack of creativity of the newer players.

I guess what I want to say is that, it is easy to get mixups in the LD setup, considering that everyone is a PR.

P-EDIT: IF I AM NOT REMEMBERING WRONG, ONE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SUBMIT A KILL AS AN ACTION. IN ESSENCE, THE ONLY KILL AVAILIABLE IN THIS GAME IS THE SCUM FACTION KILL.

VOTE: Katsuki

Quicklynch please, Katsuki claimed scum.

[Fate]

Myko's plan is pgood and it gives him town points (imo) because I don't readily see the scum motivation for no lynching (i.e. TOWN outnumber scum and are thusly far more powerful at night in this set-up)

BUT

Katsuki is 100% mod-confirmed scum.

Lynch please.

[Fate]

OH HAI KATSUKI U BEEN TALKIN WITH THE MOD NI YOUR SCUMQT AND HE TOLD YOU "NO KILLZ FOR U" AND U POSTED IT IN THREAD?

SO SAD>

Oh look. It's a Fate.

P-Edit: What makes you think that Fate? I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with your methods.

Mal, do you mean Lambda's question?

BUDDY #1

[Fate]

No, you just reminded me that I should say that

PEdit: Fate: OMGUS
Katuki: NO U

When did Katsuki vote me or call me scum?

[Fate]

The fuck?

OH HAI KATSUKI U BEEN TALKIN WITH THE MOD NI YOUR SCUMQT AND HE TOLD YOU "NO KILLZ FOR U" AND U POSTED IT IN THREAD?

Can you rewrite this in English please??

YOU GOT A SCUM ROLE PM.

PARA ESPANOL EMPRESSU NUMERO DOS

[Fate]

OH YOURE FRENCHIE SCUM ARE YOU.

THE BEST KIND.


NOW KEEP STALLING FROM ANSWERING COUG'S QUESTIONS (I'm not asking because I could care less your response. If you had a town explanation it would've been p[ut forth already_

IT JUST MAKES THIS ALL THE MORE OBVIOUS.

*LLD lurks as Katsuki is being run up, unsure of whether to bus or not*

DO NIGHTMARES HAVE LIGHT TALK MODZ??

[Fate]

@Malthusis: Oho, I misread. I thought the rules stated

"no nightkills"

rather than

"no nightkill (and lynch) immunities

.

I do not think it is in the town's best interest to shoot N1 though. There are too many other better town options out there.

>_>
<__<

>__________>

Unvote:
Vote: LLD

OOPS.

[Fate]

Calling for a quicklynch =/= quicklynch actually happen.

As you say, you're apparently unfamiliar with my methods.

Also if you can't figure out why I found Katsuki as scum you either aren't reading the thread or are just trying to pass off pointless questions as content.

[Fate]

I SAID "OOPS" AKA "MY BAD" AKA "SORRY"

ALSO YOU REALLY THINK A QUICKLYNCH WOULDA HAPPENED?

[Fate]

That doesn't make her town.

Who the hell are you even voting?

SC's hop? Since he said "I'd like to see an explanation as well" he ALSO probably missed the part where you explained.


His selective commenting is worth looking at though.

[Fate]

OK people keep this game civil.

LOL calling someone shotty is apparently uncivil. NOW WE KNOW KITOARIS STANCE ON THAT PLAYER.

LOLZ.

Unvote:
Vote: Lilu Hel

OH COOL. A NEW SCUM HAS ARRIVED!

[Fate]

I meant to get a wagon going on Katsuki because I thought he had scumslipped.

Anyway Haylen is scum.

Haylen is always scum. And she is apparently hard to lynch.

So let's PUT A TEST TO THAT THEORY.

[Fate]

AH HELL GANDALFZ IN THIS GAME?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Fate]

I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR BULLETS FOR BULLETS YOU SCUMBAG CAUGHT ON PAGE 3[DACTED]

Anyway.

Hayldra is scum with Hayldra. Are you *gasp* ASKING WHO IS SCUM WITH XXX AGAIN?

No, no you wouldn't be that bold. Anyway Hayldra is scum, just look at her ISO ffs.
Thread:
WORDS
WRODS
-haylen answers malthusis' question directed at all-
WRODS
WORDS
"WRORDS"!
"NO U"!
-haylen asks that the caps stop-
WORDS
WORDS HAYLEN IS SCUM
-hayeln logs off-

^100% accurate depiction of the thread btw

[Fate]

So, what do you make of that?

@UK AND LLD

[Fate]

Actually you BOTH just said "SO ITS A POLICY LYNCH MEH? YEAH SEE YEAH" *cartoonish gangster voice*

And then I said, "well then WHAT do you make of it FFS"

But shes a good vote for the mom-

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT VOTECOUNT MOD? YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID.

[Fate]

Actually you BOTH just said "SO ITS A POLICY LYNCH MEH? YEAH SEE YEAH" *cartoonish gangster voice*

And then I said, "well then WHAT do you make of it FFS"

But shes a good vote for the mom-

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT VOTECOUNT MOD? YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID.

You are voting LH right?

Otherwise I reassure you that the votecount is correct.

I like LL-scum.

VOTE: LLD

EGG ON YUOR FACE.

AND LLD ISNT EVEN ON THE GODDAMN VC ANYWHERE

[Fate]

SO.....
LOL SOMEONE STOLE GANDALFS VOTE?


MY MY THATS FRIKKIN AWESOME.

But also anti-townas hell.

WHOEVRE DID THAT NEEDS TO CLAIM OR FOREVER BE KNOWN AS SCUM WHEN THE TIME COMES

[Fate]

Which part needs explaining?

How exactly do you know that only scum can kill?

Answer me.

@Malthusis: Oho, I misread. I thought the rules stated

"no nightkills"

rather than

"no nightkill (and lynch) immunities

.

I do not think it is in the town's best interest to shoot N1 though. There are too many other better town options out there.

He clearly said he misread it, and thought that it meant that you "no nightkill" AND "no lynch immunities" instead of no nk immunity and no lynch immunity, which is a very plausible explanation.

Course I'll be ninja'd by Katsuki when I do post this, but I'm curious as to why SC didn't see my unvote and quote of Katuski's post earlier?

SURELY he couldn't have missed that especially since I haven't called Katsuki scum since, so its not like he wouldn't notice that Katsuki had explained himself to my satisfaction.

[Fate]

So what you're saying is that you have NO SCUMREADS so the only person you can "test" your vote on is someone who is expendable?


God dammit LLD.

Every game with you....every god damn game.

[Fate]

Yeah but you're UK and actually somewhat competent at times as town.

LLD is LLD and NON ONGOING GAMES such as StrangerCoug's NIGHTMARE is what makes me *rageface* at her playstyle

[Fate]

Why the HELL would I be calling out people who haven't even posted yet. You've been here and been doing less than the bare minimum. You've also been online on haylen or your hydra for the past hour or so if memory serves.


ALSO

"its been 4 hours theres no content to comment on im sleepy and tired WHAAAAA"
+
"FoS Fate" which IS content, and a read of some sort.
=
CONTRADICTION+SCUMZ+LOL

[Fate]

Much better LLD.

Muuuuuuuuuch better.

[Fate]

How is it bullshit?

You're online, you're APPARENTLY reading enough to see that I've called you scum, and you have NOTHING to say other then to answer a theory question, whine about people posting in CAPS, and FoS me for voting you instead of people who haven't even been here.

[Fate]

LOL.

In this post Haylenscum ISOs me and twists all of my posts in order to justify a vote on me RATHER than looking at the game as a whole and having ACTUAL suspects.

OBVSCUM IS OBV.

Fate

Post One: In his first post, Fate makes a big point in mentioning he wanted Kit to look at his craft. Why would it need looking at though, the only reason it could need looking at is if it breaks any of 'the rules' indicating that Fate's craft could either be very protown or very proscum. Why would Fate mention this though? Because by mentioning it early, it makes it look like he isn't hiding anything. If he let slip later, he'd be in deep shit.

Post Two: Orders a quicklynch on Kat because she claimed scum. I can;'t see that anywhere in the post he quoted and I consider quicklynching to be very anti town.

I think he's idea about myko's no lynch thing is anti-town aswell. I don't care if there's no intent, we aint no lynching on day one. Especially since I infer from the mods OP that there's only two scum we should be looking for.

Post Three just looks like fluff to me and random conclusion drawing. I believe that's called a 'non-sequitor'.

His posts are giving me a headache cause they make no sense.

Voting people without reason is scummy cause it gives you time to think up a reason, like he did with us and Kat.

I also find it scummy that the first thing he mentions about why we should lynch us is that im difficult for people to lynch. I can see no town intent there.

Post 22 also makes no since, since i provided content AFTER I wrote the first bit of my post -_-

And I didn't FoS for him voting me. I FoS'd him cause he has fail arguments.

Unvote, Vote Fate

1. So how is me having an unothordox, potentially game-breaking action that needs to be cleared by the mod, a SCUMTELL? You yourself said it was either pro-town or pro-scum, nice fencesit??

2. Well then you clearly aren't looking at the quote. And if quicklynching is anti-town, how was I quicklynching? Did I hammer him and end the day early? Did I claim a guilty on him and force his lynch? You're reaching like HELL scum.

3. Which posts of mine make no sense? Why aren't you, idk, asking for CLARIFICATION on any of these posts? Answer: because you have no interest in finding out my alignment and ONLY in trying to paint me as scum.

4. I voted Katsuki with a reason CLEARLY. You're suggesting I voted, called him obvscum and for his lynch, and THEN went back and "came up" with a reason retroactively? STREEEEEEEETCH

5. I worded it poorly. I'm not lynching you because "you're hard to lynch" just for shits and giggles. You YOURSELF have said you're difficult to lynch as scum, and you were my strongest scumread at the time, so I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF to get your ass lynched before you I died N1 and then you coast on your terrible meta.

6. Post 22 makes PLENTY of sense, because you were trying to play the "Im TIRED I DONT WANNA PLAY" card, but then you DID play by FoSing me

AND

7. Your FoS on me was incredibly weak and unsupported. Voting you and NOT other lurkers is hardly a "fail argument" since I was voting you for fluff posting.

[Fate]

UK if I pulled out my Haylen meta where she REFUSED to provide any content, and when I started calling her out on that fact she said "based on tehse few pages, I'd say Fate is scum" and eventually voted me.

Would you vote her?

[Fate]

DAMMIT MYKO. Wait till In get to a real computer before you ninja my reads

[Fate]

Unvote:
Vote: UK

Deflect nothing. There was no SUPPORT for your lynch because everyone was willing to let you ride your meta out.

I WAS planning on faking a guilty but SOMEONE Nightkilled me.

[Fate]

Also you admit your meta is "weak" aka one game, and you ALSO use that meta as "Fate hasn't caught enough scum yet"

1. LOL do you know Lilu Hel's alignment?
2. LOL as much as I like to be an arrogant ass and claim to be a godscumhunter, I actually DON'T nail scum on page 3 that often and the game you mention is a rare occasion. Plus this game is hard to get into because everyone is hiding behind their respective terrible metas, and the only things floating so far are policy lynches. Thusly, I have more solid town reads than scumreads.

ANYWAY NEXT POST:

[Fate]

WHY UK IS SCUM:


LLD and UK have some weird interactions going on. I noticed this a few posts ago when they both said "So its a policy lynch, eh Katsuki?" but neither made any real comment of WHAT THAT MEANT until I called them out for it.

UK is basically parroting what LLD is saying and softdefending her. She is playing the white knight who is "protecting" the easily mislynched townie, LLD, whilst not actively trying to derail her wagon OR attack any of her attackers (instead opting for a Fate vote based on meta of me... not catching scum?)

Here are some examples:

And is that your ~*~only~*~ reason Katsuki? Because I find it fun to guess what Fate is thinking as well. It makes him be clearer.

In reference to why Katsuki was voting LLD

Oh, so you propose a policy lynch ^-^?
In reference to why Katsuki wanted LLD dead
Good to know, good to know~

@Kat: How do you mean that?

To be fair I died N1 in that game. You can't expect my reads to be accurate when I'm not actively playing .

Still weak Haylen.

Anyway, LLD is competent as an SK, at the least

.

Also note the coaching of Haylen (you still can't hide behind your meta Haylen, I might need to bus you) as well.

You still haven't answered my question.

How do you mean related?

Apparently worried about how she is being viewed in relation to LLD? She repeats this a few times.

NOW ON TO THE NEXT PART OF MY CASE:

[Fate]

Uh huh.

You claim this now but you dropped me for a long time. Don't try to make shit up.

Now then, do you have a case on me? Because right now it's looking a lot like you're voting me for having the DARING to vote you. And that's not a very town thing to do, now is it?

I do not know Hayldra's alignment. I DO know that she's more likely to put this...misguided effort into the game as town. It's just IMMINENTLY FRUSTRATING in how terribly wrong it is.

Anyway, as for nailing scum, that actually doesn't matter to me. What matters is I expected three names and you provided one. Your views are mutable. But I feel you would have started out a lot stronger if you were town.

I dropped you but what did I say in the [REDACTED] immediately upon entering there? Just because I wasn't pushing doesn't mean I didn't have you as a solid scumread.

Also, EVERY game is different. This game had a NIGHT zero start, and a playerlist that I am MOSTLY unfamiliar with (myko matlhusis and SC [no SC I will not count PYPII as a game with you because your play was so terrible it must not have been you] I have only played with with them as my mod), and a very fluffy RVS stage unlike the ONLY OTHER game you have me as with meta.

Oh wait. What about malthusis game? How come you don't even compare my play from THERE to here? Because I SURE AS HELL didn't have three scumreads in that game EITHER.

Selective use of meta? Yeah, check. Calling me scum because I don't meet arbitrary high expectations based on said selective meta? Check.

ALSO the quote where you say "none of you clowns know how to play mafia" is HILARIOUS seeing as how you've gone the whole game not giving out any reads, and then you FINALLY pop out with a vote based on weak meta, and you call THAT scumhunting? Who are your other suspects? I don't care if your reasonings aren't 100% complete, if you HAVE them based on SOMETHING, WHAT ARE THEY?

Hayldra, until you can ACTUALLY USE REAL FACTS THAT EXIST IN THIS GAME, I don't want to see another fucking post out of you.

LOL. So you, using meta and not "facts" in this game, because the FACT is it that you can't know Hayldra's alignment (my other suspect) UNLESS YOURE SCUM WITH HER-and me "always catching multiple scum very early" is not a FACT either to base a vote on.
HYPOCRITE IS HYPOCRITE.

[Fate]

UncertainKitten's deduced a lot. The fact that she comes to the conclusion I'm scum further indicates he's trying to frame me knowing it will piss me off and rage.

I'd suggest that everyone take a look at her interpretation of my meta, as well as the facts of this game themselves. And make you rown conclusion, because it's fairly damned obvious what's going on here, and UK's is NOT so stupid as to not be noticing.

Confirm Vote: UncertainKitten

[Fate]

You were in Malt's game? Because I certainly don't recall that. Further, it's an extremely old meta if you WERE.

As for the rest...

*pat pat*
It's okay Fate.

I WAS YOUR FUCKING MASON BUDDY FOR ALL OF DAY ONE AND NIGHT ONE.

DON'T TRY TO PULL THAT BULLSHIT EXCUSE AS TO WHY YOU ARE USING ONE META AND NOT ANOTHER.

YOU GODDAMN SCUMBAG

[Fate]

HEY MY NAMES UK AND IM DODGING ALL THE OTHER POINTS FATE HAS MADE TO ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER OLD GAMES ARE VALID META BLAH BLAH I ASAW A WEAK POINT IN HIS OFFENSE! CAN YOU BLAME ME???


WE C WUT U DID THAR.

[Fate]

IM NOT VOTIGN UK FOR META.

IM VOTING HER FOR HER PASSIVE BS PLAY THAT HAS PRODUCED A WEAKASS "vote; fate he hasnt caught multiple scumz yet" WHICH IS THE LAMEST ATTEMPT TO FRAME ME YET, ALONG WITH NO OTHER READS EXCEPT A "Katsuki is town" WHEN CALLED OUT ON IT.

AND SHE SPARKED HTIS, SO THAT CLOWNS IKE YOU WOULD SAY "hehehe look two people yellinbg! they must BOTH be town" BUT IM SAYING IT HERE RIGHT NOW: NO. UK IS NOT TOWN. UK IS SCUM. UK MUST DIE.

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SCUM MOTIVATION FOR DEFENDING YOU AS YOURE BEING RUN UP LLD? REALLY?

[Fate]

Oh? You had points? Because I don't think I actually noticed them.

Your main point is a connection between me and LLD. The rest is just the ragefluff you specialize in to get people into pointless fights. I'm not taking the bait.

I think that town Fate would have thought about that connection a lot more rather than just Rageballing it into me being scum. Hence why I'm fairly sure you're just trying to do some nice window dressing and hope I get lynched.

@LLD: Hayldra is a little more likely to be town just because she's throwing so much :effort: at things. Scum usually don't bother as much. This tell does, however, become weaker with the fact she was under pressure, which forces a response. Regardless, I need her to post a bit more before I discern her intent.

And do you really want scum to start leading the town, LLD?

I DID THINK A LOT ABOUT THE CONNECTION. I NOTICED IT A GOOD 3-4 PAGES AGO WITH THAT KATSUKI PL LYNCH THING. THEN I LET IT SIMMER, AND BAM.

DINNERS READY. WE'RE HAVING UK SCUM.

YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS "this is what Town Fate would do. Town Fate this TOwn Fate that! I KNOW TOWN FATE SO FUCKING WELL FROM TWO DAYS WITH HIM RECENTLY, since apparently I FORGOT the other game I was in with him" LIKE IT MAKES YOUR VOTE MORE VALID.

IT JUST MAKES IT REEK OF MORE BULLSHIT.

[Fate]

Ah, that's hilarious. Because I'm usually passive in early game, waiting for someone to post with scum intent. I'll also note my stated reasons may not have been all of them ^-^.

Ah, that's hilarious. Because you usually use your own meta to defend yourself. BUT there's something more:

-If you have MORE reasons for why I'm scum, why aren't you saying them? THere's NO town motivation at this time if you TRULY believe me to be scum. Its just bullshit
-You wait for someone to post with scum intent? Then why don't you INCLUDE this in your case on me? WHERE have I posted with scum intent: HINT: FUCKING NOWHERE BECAUSE IVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND SCUM.
-Your reasons for voting me were "lolmeta" NOT "Fates post -here- had scumintent"
-You then UPGRADED your reasons to be "Oh Fates trying to get me mislynched!! Confirm Vote:!!" WHEN YOU KNEW THAT WAS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU CAME AT ME WITH A BULLSHIT CASE THAT I SEE RIGHT THROUGH.

[Fate]

Who the hell is chamber and how does he know me?

EASY TARGETS? Yea, Ihave. I found LLD, EASY TARGET #1, and then FOUND the scumbag who was defending her from the shadows without actively defending her.

Because she wanted her lynched but didn't want to be responsible for it.

THAT SCUMBAG IS YOU UK.

[Fate]

NO.

NO DAMMIT.

THis is the trap I fell into in the other game, "ah I can get UK lynched later, when its more obvious because of PoE" AND THEN I GOT FUCKING KILLED.

1. WHY DONT YOU WANT LLD LYNCHED? I thought you were defending her PLAYSTYLE not her ALIGNMENT???
2. BULLSHIT you wont' state why you were incorrect. You DONT back down from a 1v1 with me with "oh I was wrong, lets' move on" NO. YOU JUST DONT WANT TO END UP LIKE VV SO YOURE TRYING TO SHIFT THINGS ELSEWHERE. STATE WHY YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND OR LEAVE IT AT AS YOU BEING SCUM RUNNING SCARED.

BECAUSE IVE DONE "NOTHING" TO CHANGE YOUR MIND SINCE I STILL WANT YOU DEAD.

[Fate]

Unvote:

One sec, first off:

Here's that meta, which I never pulled CUZ U NEVER ASKED:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... lect=11246

Oh. I'm not lynched. Nice.

I still think it's Fate, from what I've read he's been really scummy.

Vote Fate

Currently, my top suspect is Fate. He seems to be...flailing quite a bit over his past few posts.

QUESTIONS for you UK:

You said you MISSED Katsuki's vote on LLD, BUHWHHAAAA? Let me go re-read.

[Fate]

"http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2696777"

You yourself noticed he was pushing a policy lynch on LLD, AND THEN WENT ON TO CALL HIM TOWN?

What changed your mind? The fact that you just realized he hadn't voted her until someone else had?

One more sec...

[Fate]

UK I do not see the issue you have with Katsuki's votes. His "push" for LLD started on the same page he voted her on, and he specifically said "that reminds me" as in, "ah gandalf's vote reminded me I'm just random-voting and I want LLD dead for policy." You're suggesting that he didn't want to start the BW on LLD but was more than happy to vote her once gandalf had voted LLD?

That doesn't work because gandalf didn't "push" LLD with a case or anything, just a vote. Therefore the main aggressor of the case would be seen as Katsuki whether he voted before or after gandalf.

AND I unvoted you because you started providing content on the ENTIRE game, with a few reads I agree with (SD and Haylen, not so much Katsuki or gandalf). Gandalf because, well hes gandalf and fuckin sucks, and Katsuki for aforementioned reasons.

Now that you've provided content AT LEAST you'll be able to be caught further on down the line instead of coasting on a weak meta vote and "Im holdin my cards close" BS.

Vote: Hayldra

MUUUUUUUUUUUCH better.

[Fate]

Katsuki's LLD policy push reads as town, so as to whether he has posted other content (there are hints of him getting reads on people in some of his posts) isn't a big concern.


My Hayldra meta shows her in that game as lazily "I'm not going to put the effort into catching up" IN THIS GAME all of her "effort" has been focused on a SINGLE BS FATE VOTE and case, with NO effort to get a read on anyone else. That much is apparent. Just because she replaced in one game and started out in the other doesn't mean her complete and blatant anti-town play isn't the same. Have I seen her as town? No. If its the generally the same do I care much? No.

Anyway, I can't get you lynched today, as you said. And you might just be town. Your recent content reminds me of the FIRST Phoenix game where there was no real scum intent behind your posts, so I'm dropping you off my plate.

[Fate]

oh HEY Parama, your reads are as shitty as ever. "Fate's scum because he realized he misread Katsuki's posts and backed off HERP DERP" Yup.

At least he's town this game.

MOVING ONNNNNNNNNN

I like myko in the myko vs. Stranger debate, as this was probably the best case I've seen made on anyone ever:

Or get me lynched. Currently you are voteparking. Where is the big case that tells people they should lynch me? There isn't one. There is only an excuse for this vote, which has no intention to convince anyone, but only serves to give the vote enough legitimacy that you shouldn't get attacked for it.

SO ya.

HEY SC, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF LILUHEI?

[Fate]

Give it up Parama, you're just coming up with BS reasong to policy lynch me because "I fuck with your scumdar"

MAN UP and improve your town play.

[Fate]

My town play is fine, thank you.

Then why are you voting for town?

[Fate]

Your meta is shit as are your reads. SC is the only decent one read you have, and ignoring the rest of the playerlist is just fucking stupid.


Also call me Fate, that's my fucking name, stop being confusing.

[Fate]

And so because it's totally possible for you to be right all the time, this is ok?

HELL. You aren't even right HALF the time, as witnessed by SWN III.

QFT

[Fate]

NO you WRONG.

REALLY fucking wrong.

And you were WRONG in PYPIII.

That's the most I hate about your play Parama, you REFUSE TO BE HUMBLED no matter how many times you fucking fail. Your excuse is ALWAYS BS, "oh Fate messes up my scumdar" which is nonesense I don't even, and you don't even CARE if you're wrong. And that's why you'll never improve. You'll stick to catching fucking newbs based off easy tells in easy games, but when it comes to REAL games you never adapt your reads accordingly, because you HAVE to be right.

[Fate]

THAT'S your excuse? Jack flipped AFTER YOU DID. and you were wrong the ENTIRE time you were alive. About that one modkilled guy, about slowsilver, about EVERYTHING. If you either "catch all the scum or none" because I messed with your Jack read first and you based everything off that (how is that even possible) then you're reads are WRONG AS HELL this game because I'm town.

ANYWAY SPEAKING OF JACK, I told you Jack was town because it was easy enough to have a townread on him AT FIRST. He was caught through other methods LIKE I INTEND with "hard to catch scum"

JUST LIKE UK THIS GAME.

JUST LIKE WHY I BACKED THE FUCK OFF.

NOW GO THROUGH LILU"S GODDAMN ISO AND REALIZE SC (YOUR ONLY GOOD SCUMREAD) HASNT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HER

[Fate]

Notice to town: Fate isn't attacking my logic, just me. That's call ad hominem~

I've already attacked your logic

"Fate is scum czu hes not playin to meta"
"Your meta is false, I backed off because UNLIKE POPULAR BELIEFZ I don't just tunnels tupidly if my target drops towntells and content, or if the reason I went after them IN THE FIRST PLACE was shown as invalid"

NOW IM ATTACKING YOU BECAUSEYOU HAVENT RESPONDED TO THE FLAWS IN YOUR LOGIC, AND BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SUCK AND EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO READ YOUR PLAY THROUGH THAT LENS.

[Fate]

B and C?

Where you say I'm just randomvoting?

No, Lilu CAME IN AND SAID: "derp derp no CONTENT FROM ME ON THE THINGS GOING ON"

UK made a TERRIBAD META CASE ON ME after being passive all game and having no real reads, SO YEAH I VOTED DAT ASS.

Your points are not actual "points" just a summary of my play with an "LOL SCUM" thrown on the end there.

[Fate]

k I'm actually gonna take it back, I disagree on no lynch as the best play. Sure while town outnumbers the scum in sheer amount of powers, the scum have

co-ordination

to combine up powers and fuck with people, Ala PYPII as a prime example.


So....

yeah. Mre Halyen votes pl0x

[Fate]

Hmmm I don't like that, I don't like that at all. LLD DOESN"T have a good point SC, and you know better.

myko's transition from "we should NL, we should NL" to "Dear god SC is just too scummy, fuck it" is not a "vote hop" in the slightest, nor was his initial "propose NL plan" just a 'look townie gambit' since I believe if we all agreed he definitely would still follow through on that.


The fact that you are supporting LLD's bad points against myko (and dismissing his case as "flimsy reasoning) makes you all the more scummier.

Also LLD+SC isn't a valid combo so BONUS POINTS.

Unvote:
Vote: SC

[Fate]

"I am focusing all my time and energy on you" ≠ "I am not doing any decent scumhunting." I am focusing my time and energy on you

BECAUSE I FIND YOU THE SCUMMIEST.

Lilu Hel is scummy to me as well, and if you flip scum Fate's chainsaw defense of you will not look good. (By that logic, I could get Lady Lambdadelta into trouble if I flip scum, but she can relax because I'm not going to. I don't think she can really be faulted by what she's thinking either way as she has a developed case, while Fate is just piggybacking on you.)

I'm not sure how its chainsaw defense, since I've found you SCUMMY this whole time and myko TOWNIE this whole time. So when a fight breaks out YEAH I GOT TOWNS BACK VS. SCUMBAGZ.


Also I'm losing my mind reading your posts, because where did this CAPS"I FIND YOU SCUMMIEST" even come from???

I don't remember a drastic change like that even taking place, I'm gonna look through your ISO AND YOU BETTER HOPE BROWNIES ARE IN THERE

[Fate]

Conclusion, SC is scum, together with UK. Now, if two players redirected their actions to Gandalf, and someone would make Gandalf a PGO, this would all be a lot easier.

The hell? Explain in detail please.

Major HoS: Lilu Hei and mykonian.

I

WILL

vote one of them in my next post.

This is your FIRST instance of calling SC scum, and its just "what? You made a broad statement and didn't support it!?!? YOU ARE SCUMZZZ"

How does him making an unsupported statement like that benefit him as scum, where is the scum intent?

SC - Fate accused me of OMGUS, I didn't accuse him.

I asked you to address this; you did not do so.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mykonian

Then you follow it up with a: YOU DIDNT EXPLAIN! KA-VOTEEEEE.

So your reasoning for finding him "THE SCUMMIEST SCUMZ OF ALL TIMES" was originally weak as hell.


Now going through the rest of your case, I don't see a "ramping up" of suspicion to you saying "MYKO IS DA SCUMMIEST SCUM I MADEHIM CRACK" all I see is a back and forth quote war between you and myko, with you mostly attempting to refute myko's points and piggybacking off LLD's weak point on myko (that he unvoted optimal play, so it was all just a town lookin gambit). If anything, what I DO SEE is a ramping up of FRUSTRATION that myko won't answer your points, but that doesn't correlate with you thinking HES SCUM, just that he's dense.

Of course when faking suspicion on people you would be likely ot just "translate" that frustration into scumhunting to make it look like a geniune scumread.

BUT I SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU COWBOY.

[Fate]

Replace SC with Myko, obv.

I mean, I too am

curious

as to his theory behind SC and UK scum, but the pure

reactions

he garnished from being stubborn and not saying them have been far more fruitiful for reads than him explaining his reasoning in the first place. (And since I had him down as town, I was more looking for reads elsewhere than trying to get him to explain his reasons to get a read on him)

[Fate]

You're THAT sure he's scum just because he called you and UK scum together.

Seriously Stranger...

That's INCONSISTENT AS HELL. You can't play all passive, "lol passives mah meta" and then go all "MYJO IS SCUM 100% HER R HIZ BUDDIDEZ"

Taking back your weaklink attack on me "Fate IS scum cuz loltell CHAINSAWZ" AINT GONNA WORK MISTER.

[Fate]

I don't know if you said it explicitly in defense form like that, but it seems to be implied/the general feel I get, when reading your defense posts vs. UK and stuff.

[Fate]

I never questioned the pairing itself. I'm questioning the lack of reasoning for calling us scum until pressured for it. In addition, for you to be scum required mykonian to be in my eyes—

me being wrong would have cleared you.

Clarify this last part more, are you saying you don't think myko is scum anymore?

[Fate]

So what you're saying is that your theory of Myko scum+Fate scumchainsaw would be weakened if Myko flipped town.

OK THANKS.

But here's the weird part, you said:

"ANYMORE"

What the hell does that even mean>

Sounds like you made up the reason AFTER the fact (since it wouldn't mean "anymore" since there was never a situation in which a scumbuddy theory would BE valid if one flipped town) when I called you out on it.

HMMMMMMMMM

[Fate]

This implies that you thought I was scummy independent of myko before, but I don't see any evidence of that in your ISO

[Fate]

EHHEAHHAHGAGHGTWEWAGGAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

I picked cop.

LOL PICK YOUR POWER FUCKIN 4. YOU PICKED COP OR GADALF>>>>

ITS FUNNY CUZ GANDAL:F WAS CAUGHT THAT WAY IN THAT GAME.

THE IRONY IS SO FUCKING HIGH IVE EXPLODED AND COME FULL CIRCLE TO FUL RAGELOLOL AGAIN

BUT WAIT. FIRST:::::::::::::::

I now think you stand a good chance of being town independent of mykonian.

The word "anymore" indicates that I changed my opinion about you.

THEN PARAMA OFFERS YOU HIS "heres your chance to live" AND FUCKIN

1. YOU DONT QUESTION HIS DESIRE TO BE INVESTIGASTED TONIGHT WHICH HAS EIGHTBILLION SCUMMOTIVES I CAN THINK OF
2.

Sigh... I'll bite. Fate's misrep of me doesn't sit completely well with me anyway.

UNVOTE: mykonian
VOTE: Fate

YOU VOTE THE GUY WHO YOU READ AS TOWNNN? NO OTHER READS? NO "parama lets kill myko plz" JUST A "PLEASLET ME LIVE PARAMA ILL SHEEP YOU NOBONONBONOBNOB"

LOL>

LOL.

ID CALL FOR YOUR HAMMER BUT LILUSCUM HASNT COMMENTED ON YOU YTE.

[Fate]

OOPS.

EITHER WAY ITS A GAME WITH GANDALF IN IT SO THATS STILL KINDA FUNNY...

OH WAIT THAT MEANS THE TELL IS INVALID. D'OH.

SO, STRANGERCOUG, COP? THATS ALL YOU COULD THINK OF?

MR. "god mod of all the interesting set-ups and games in the land" PICKED FUCKIN "COP" STRAIGHT UP?

B.
S.

Also I forgot to say but if Parama's vote restriction makes him confirmed town (unless gandalf scum, who said he liked giving pr restrictions in the signups. gave HIMSELF a vote restriction in the mother of all WIFOMZ....) BUT that's a stretch.

[Fate]

VOTE: STRANGERCOUG

KEKEKEKEKEKEK

[Fate]

I AM VOTING AND MY NAME IS FUCKING FATE STOP BEING A CLOWN.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

YOU JUST RUINED THE FUCKIN HIGH I GOT OFF LILUSCUM FLIPPING

[Fate]

Hmmmmmmm. Which one was the scumkill let's see...

StrangerCoug - UncertainKitten, Mykonian

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Fate

, Leiskyrie, Parama (4)

Vote: Leiskyrie

[Fate]

So, have finally had time to skim this thread.
I voted UK because of a lot of noise-making (particularly after Parama replaced in), and for accusing people based on meta-speculation. Not that it isn't useful, but I don't think it should be the sole reason in lynching somebody.

And that case on Fate was pretty weak.

So UK, who flipped town, you called out for making a weak Fate-case but Lilu, who flipped SCUM, you don't even mention except to tell her to calm down.

LOL THIS IS OPEN AND SHUT.

OH DAYKILLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Fate]

Meh Broken setup is broken.

Lets all massclaim and see what happens.

Lei can start, then popcorn

[Fate]

Hey Shadow do you have any SUSPECTS or ya know CONTENT since you missed out on an entire frickin day?

[Fate]

b......bv....

BV>>.

BV310 IS IN THIS GAME?

WHAT THEFUCKIN FCK WAS HIS EXCUSE?

[Fate]

I'll claim first, unless you really want Lei to go first Fate.

I do, I know youreager and you have cool stuff to say but unnecessary claims HELP scum fakeclaim, which we don't want.

Which is why scummy people claim FIRST.

[Fate]

VOTE: SD

EASIEST GAME EVARRRRRRRR

BV IS SCUM #3 FOR SHOOTING OBVTOWN.

SEE YA GUIZ TMORROW

[Fate]

EVEN IF KITO MADE A MOD ERROR YOU ARE A SCUM BAG.

"herp derp post restriction"

POST RESTRICTIONS ARE ANTITOWN.

NO MATTER HOW YOU JUSTIFY THEM.

IF YOU HAD DONE MADE HIM A REFLEX TRACKER OR SOMETHING, YA KNOW,

USEFUL

ITD BE DIFFERENT.

BUT MAKING SOMEONE TALK IN ADJECTIVES ONLY???

KEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKE

DIED
EIDIEIDEIDIE

[Fate]

<3

I do what I can /grin

[Fate]

YOURE NOT LYING...

YOU'RE.

DDYINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
AHAHAHHAHAHA
AAHAWHDHWHAHHAQA

HAMMERS FTW

[Fate]

I'm just a vanilla townie.

>______>
<_______<

[Fate]

LLD, calm down.

SD is scum, the last one is very likely Lei.

I see no reason to let scum know my night actions so they know how to deal with them.

[Fate]

See, it was Fate. I win.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Wait till I'm scum in an ACTUAL game.

[Fate]

See, it was Fate. I win.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Wait till I'm scum in an ACTUAL game.

Thanks to the mod for bringing justice to the thread

[Fate]

Anyway I was pretty confident I could've fooled LLD in late game, plus my crafted ability would've stopped all night/daykill attempts on my life etc. etc.


But the fact that we should've won today (well I mightve had to bus anyway, seriously SD what kind of craft was that I don't remember talking abou tthat in the QT...) killed my motivation.

I actually forgot that Katsuki said if he died I was scum >_>

I was a PGO anyway so that wouldve explained that <_<

UK I would've LOVED to have kept you alive because you believed in me as confirmed town due to asking about scumdaytalk and all...

BUT I coulda sworn you were the daykiller

[Fate]

Yup. You were trying to WIFOM scum.

"I didnt take vig I swear!"

<_<
>_>

<3