I'll put some tea on.The Rulez wrote:10. What happens at deadline? I ask for your address and come to your house.
Also, 9 pm EST abuse ftw.
I'll put some tea on.The Rulez wrote:10. What happens at deadline? I ask for your address and come to your house.
Well, my impression is that we should just punish anyone that tries to make it a free for all, as this will probably benefit the scum. Once the actual game starts, I think we should play it like a mafia game and people can shoot others, but need to explain why they are doing it and have good reason. Players that are willy nilly shooting people are a hindrance and should be executed accordingly by the mob.Feysal wrote:I have no idea how we're supposed to be scumhunting in this setup, without any votes. Possibly the only things we can use are special abilities and game mechanics to identify scum, otherwise this will turn into a free-for-all.
No I'm not. The factional mafia kill in the OP is linear...ie, it can only shoot in a straight line (presumably not diagonally). I suggest you read the sample role PMs. Secondly, most of the attack abilities seem to require you to select a target...especially the mafia factional kill. It's not a proximity weapon, therefore it would PoE immediately and give us at minimum a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum after the first time it's used. This seems like pretty damn good odds if you ask me.ckd wrote:first, you are making a lot of assumptions about how the mafia/town can shoot....how do you know? am I missing something else?
I'm merely spitballing ideas. Putting suggestions on the table is the only way to work this out. As far as the second part of 'it will take time to come up with lists', give me a break. I think it would take all of one or two days for people to post their suggestions. This doesn't have to be an exact science on Day 1.ckd wrote:first you say there is already a group, but then you suggest the groups being broken up into towniest, town, scummy...so which is it? if we break up people in those groups, who is going to say who is the scummiest...it will take time to come up with lists...then, by the time we get the lists there wont be much time for the individual groups to make a decision...
You're right. We shouldn't even try. GG scum, Vi is too smart, so there's no sense in trying.VV wrote:I think that Vi has specifically designed this game so that we cannot game it via plans. Vi is one creative man/woman/beast.
I responded to this already. And I don't think that many players have mines anyhow.VV wrote:I just don't see VPs plan and etc. after reading Feysal's revelation post about mines.
I think Feysal has a semi-valid point about the mines, but scum attempting that early is going to be a giveaway. Later in the game when we are at a great risk for lylo, it may be a danger to follow this plan depending on how thinned out we are. As of the first few days though, I see no reason why this plan would be unable to work. We have roughly 6 days left to move to our spots and kill someone. Then we wait for the mafia faction kill. If they move ahead with it, we have a PoE down to at least one scum out of three players. If they don't for fear of being PoE'ed, then we still at least stopped a kill.ckd wrote:another question VP...if you were scum, could you come up with anyways that scum could use your idea to their advantage?....whether it be in group creation, placement, "voting" or anyting. you are a smart guy, so I really am looking forward to your answer here.
We still scumhunt and kill someone as per normal mafia game, but my plan with the diagonal groupings essentially gives us extra information after the scum make their NK.VV wrote:Wait. So VP, are you suggesting that we cramp up to a diagonal line, (Say, NW, C, SE), and then wait for the Mafia kill to happen on one spot?
Say from the four of us in the NW, I'm killed tonight. That means one of the remaining three players out of that square HAS to be scum. Percentage wise, getting a 33% chance of killing scum on D2 is pretty damn good.VV wrote:What happens next then? Suppose someone fron NW was blasted. What next? We just hunt down the survivors? That soundss like an easy way for Mafia to join the mob and kill people.
I understand this, but you're obsessing about the wrong things. Ok, so let's say a scum gets this power you're worried about. Said scum player is almost always certainly going to target in the direction of multiple (at least two) players anyhow to increase his chances of hitting. Yes, with my plan he has a better chance of hitting, but it's public anyhow...so I don't think the scum is going to be taking unwarranted shots anyhow.Ckd wrote:I thought that the powers were randomly given as were the alignments...if that is true..then they could have the power I had in the demo phase...I chose a target..it had a 70% chance of hitting the target..if it missed..it had a 30% chance of hitting someone else...
Fair enough. If that's the case, we send in someone scummy to take one for the team. Refusal = death.Plum wrote:VP - Some mines don't detonate until there's someone around to hit.
See, now this man is thinking. Pro-town points for you.GG wrote:As for the plan I like going A1 B3 and C2 better- still prevents any linear firing but it also ensures that at least one group is within one tile of any item drops that occur so we can use em' faster.
Why's that?GG wrote:except I think VV is more likely town than not
Well, we hear the click and a person has to be in the square when they plant it, correct? We should have a good idea as long as people aren't spread out crazy like.Plum wrote:In principle, sure. In practice, we may not know where a mine is until it's too late.
For the most part. We at least need to be in them after we kill whoever.Plum wrote:Wait, we're going to be in our designated squares for the entire phase?
Yeah, I considered that. See, the thing is that you shouldn't say aloud excuses for the scum. Let them find their own ways out of explaining things. They make mistakes, especially under pressure.Feysal wrote:If Plum started from A2, and was going to B3 like you said she should, then it makes perfect sense for her to be in A3.
Because it is the most logical explanation. I've already explained that I think scum having a hidden weapon while they are visible is unbalanced in their favor. Cloaked scum with hidden weapons makes perfect sense however. I don't know what Gamma's PoE is, but he's my strongest town read at the moment and I trust him not to be lying. He could be wrong, but odds are he's going to explain it anyhow. No sense in not pressuring Plum.Feysal wrote:You suspected Plum immediately after the explosion, without even exploring other possibilities first. Why? Just now, you accepted Gammagooey's unexplained process of elimination that Plum had to be in A3. Why?
Eh, I think Fate isn't really pushing plum that hard. He did mention the cloak thing first, but it could be distancing rather than bussing. He's certainly putting very little real pressure on her, choosing to shoot me inexplicably instead. Also, Fate seems the type of scum to bus from what I know of him, so its' definitely not out of the question.Feysal wrote:Also, remember it was Fate who pointed out Plum being cloaked and started the whole uncloak or else train? And now you say Fate and Plum are scum together because Fate is reacting to the pressure on Plum, when it was Fate who started that push and has kept it up consistently?
May be? I'm not saying I'm above reproach, but no one has even explained why I'm scummy at all. If you're going to shoot someone, you better have a damn good reason. I don't think Fate has any reason whatsoever other than he doesn't like me pressuring him.Feysal wrote:Fate may be wrong to act on them though.
I'm not following here. Even if you confirm her cloak is a special ability, the Gamma Ray has not been fired yet. Isn't the point that scum can only use one special ability at a time? Or am I missing something? How does this eliminate Plum from the scum list?Feysal wrote:Here is how we could do it. All we need to know is whether Plum was hit by your EMP. If she was and remains cloaked, then the cloak could not have been a support ability. Logically, if Plum uncloaks and reveals her position is somewhere on column 2, then she should be town.
What if another buddy is simply holding the Gamma Pulse at the moment? I agree that plum wouldn't drop it for cloaking...but I don't see why another buddy couldn't have it while she uses cloak.Feysal wrote:In the sample mafia role PM, under the description of the Gamma Pulse, it is said that "you may not pick up or equip special abilities while you hold this ability". The way I understood this, scum cannot even carry the Gamma Pulse if they want a special ability, so if Plum is using a special ability, she cannot have the Gamma Pulse. Now, it may be possible for scum to get a special ability at the start by random, but they could still not use it without dropping the Gamma Pulse. And given how great that weapon is, causing massive damage and being able to fire secretly, I don't see why any scum would throw it away willingly.VP Baltar #479 wrote:I'm not following here. Even if you confirm her cloak is a special ability, the Gamma Ray has not been fired yet. Isn't the point that scum can only use one special ability at a time? Or am I missing something? How does this eliminate Plum from the scum list?
If Fate and I both die though, that should raise it, correct? Unless we still count as zero after we're dead or something.Feysal wrote:Average HP has dropped to 6,4. Way to go, at this rate the town will self-destruct without even needing help from the scum.
We were attempting to show that I didn't send some spark BS across some squares because I wasn't in cooldown mode. I think it didn't matter because I was a day late anyhow.Fate wrote:What was the point of this, by the way?VP Baltar wrote:PlasmaPistol (TheButtonmen, 0)
VPB wrote:That being said, I also am starting to feel that ckd is town. He just acts like this when he gets upset in a mafia game. I'd be pretty surprised if he's scum at this point, but Gamma should take the module because I think he's town that will use it more responsibly. You're my boy ckd, but you have to calm yourself sometimes.
When I was giving my thoughts from my deathbed.VPB wrote:People should also not kill ckd just because he gets angry. Look into his town meta and you'll see the same, so it's a null tell. I'm kind of leaning town on him, but I'm not all that certain on it.