Want to give this thread a thorough readthrough. Really liked the look of this game!
btw, UK, what is up with the Gurren Lagann glasses? I've seen like a bunch of people with those, and I remain very confused. It's some injoke I missed, right?
Yeah, this is my page 10 break. Fortunately, the drama seems to be winding down.UncertainKitten wrote:It's probably my fault, actually ^-^. One of the games I modded a long time ago had me create an arbitrary rule that everyone in the game had to put Kamina Glasses in their avatar or be insulted by me in every post. It sorta became a meme from there.
And I'm so sorry you thought this game looked good. It will give you a headache by page 17.
Sorry, I thought I read you voting for him. Well, all I can say is 'my bad.' That removes one of my reservations.Mariyta wrote:Don't quite understand this. I think CD is town, not scum. And you're damn right I'm not overwhelmingly thrilled by the drama. There's been a lot of drama in many of my games. Enough to make a girl go mad. As for your gut on LMP, what do you think of the miller claim? That's been a very controversial point.GreyICE wrote: Mariyta - I'm not reading her as overwhelmingly thrilled by the drama, but she seems to be doing her best to help. I don't agree CooLDoG is scum, but if I tried to lynch everyone I ever had a disagreement with, I'd be useless and catch zero scum.
And I disagree with you on your UK comment. I think it's a good idea for CD to use his vig today. Especially if he uses it on UT. That will free us up to find another scum. There is a good chance that CD will die tonight anyway. Scum tend to hit the confirmed (or somewhat confirmed) townies.
Now where are you going to place your vote? Deadline is tomorrow.
Because he does anyway? I mean say he's really the village total idiot. We vote, he hates the results, takes whatever shot he wants, then we what? Lynch him when we're 80% on him flipping town? Not like we can mail in a PM for him.GhostWriter wrote:This is easily solved. We vote on who he kills. After, of course, he claims with name and flavor. Then we commence to the shooting to be sure of the claim and to try to hit scum. Then we lynch Katsuki.
Personally, I say we aim for HF. But CD DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE HIS OWN SHOT. The general consensus is that CD is either scum or VI. Why the fuck would you give him control over his shot instead of us having control of it?
If you were hyper townswoman the townie who just posted that, like AlmasterGM, I'd go... whatever. You're not, and I don't like the implication that that's the ONLY thing I find objectionable.UncertainKitten wrote:Question for GI: How often do you see scum "directing town power"?
And is that REALLY your case on me? That I'm "directing town power?"
More like I don't suffer idiocy. Because your vote is utterly stupid for several reasons.
1)The Zang wagon didn't have much activity by the time I jumped on it, and I weighed WHY I did it.
2)Vote Count Analysis only works when you have flips. You don't have anything concrete to stand on, so your vote amounts to utter bullshit because you thought you saw a trend. Good job.
3)If you look at my posting history, for the most part it's been fairly pro town. The fact you just assume that one vote can suddenly reveal my motivations reveals you are a TERRIBLE mafia player.
Why don't you try hard?
So to go with these strong, compelling statements that make me think of someone like Fate or Reckoner, how are your scumreads?EBWOP: Posting AND voting history. I've been fairly transparent and so far, you're the only person dumb enough to think I could be scum.
Then you build yourself a wonderful SC case. Great. I love it. You had a fucking good SC case. Then it comes down to the wire and you want to... shoot UT. What? Why shoot UT? Not "Shoot UT, lynch SC." Just... shoot UT. Why? You have a strong case, and you derail it for... shit all. I don't even fucking get it. That sort of open-minded bloodthirst says to me that you don't give a fuck who lives or dies. Oh look, lets create an SC case. Oh, people are swinging towards UT? Well, lets just shoot him. Lets not worry overly much about it.Ugh, so much has been smashed here.
SC would be my top read at the moment, already told you why. Being passive, latching onto others, etc.
UT improved a lot but then disappeared, which is kinda lame. So, sure, let's put UT in second for now.
...I really don't have a third. Anyone who I'd consider scummy is really just acting like a complete moron all around. I guess I'd provisionally go for havingfitz because his logic is really silly for voting me. It's also intriguing he picks a wagon that SURE as hell won't get off the ground less than 5 days before deadline. So...
But moar SC votes.
UncertainKitten wrote:Heh, you are also bad at meta. I've done this same "act" as town.
As for shooting UT, I figured it was more in line with what town wanted.
Seeing as how there's a lot more vocal support for a UT lynch than an SC lynch.
Quite frankly, UT and SC can both die for all I care.
You're getting up there because your case kinda sucks, really. Though a bad case doesn't necessarily indicate scum...it's just your case has a feeling of setting out with the intent of painting me scummy.
Have fun with that.
I don't even know what to say. Seriously, this is exactly what I found scummy, this "I don't care who lives or dies" attitude that you just exhibited here along with the very very strong opinions you showed earlier in the thread, and then you just came out and more or less said the same thing, while suggesting my case is bad.UncertainKitten wrote:I will note you're right. I don't care who dies today.We need flips, and everyone thus far having been proposed has been scummy as fuck. CD and your slot were about the only lynches I disagreed with.
I still think that UT will flip town, but that was basically based on my read of UK as scum, so if that's off then I have to take him on his own merits. And he has some decent early game stuff, but it does degenerate into total shit. Also, this?Mariyta wrote:This is actually the town UK I'm familiar with.
So, lynch UT, vig HF? Sounds good to me! Unless CD can vig himself... that would rock.
Really? That's one of the weakest defenses I've seen in a nice long time. Despite that, his early game play seems decent. Is this another frustrated townie? I can see it. This game is enormously frustrating, and it could just be he's tired of the garbage certain posters are dumping in the thread.I'm a great lynch if you're scum. Otherwise I'm a terribad lynch
WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK? WHAT IS THIS SHIT?CooLDoG wrote:I must go. Bye for now.
SHUT UP TURBO CUNT, YOUR LYNCH CHAINING IS NOTED AND IGNORED FOR NOW.UncertainKitten wrote:See, the thing is, it's not really OMGUS. You EACH have scummy things against you ignoring any "cases" on me. Even then, it's a bit conspiracy theoristish...but...then CD claims the big bad of the movie? Uh...no.
Sorry, not going to accept that. If CD is scum, then two of you three form the rest. It's too fucking convenient otherwise.
But, I'll thank you for trying to strap an overused buzzword to me. Learn to play mafia, not rhetoric wars.
/back will post either today or tomorrow when I have time.
CD, you shoot for who you think is scum. If you want to shoot UK, then shoot her. Just because some people have expressed thoughts on her being town means that she is town.
Vig's were never meant to make to be popular. They are meant to smite scum.
Translation: "Hi my best buddy! You know you're so smart and handsome andEBWOP: In other words, trust yourself, CD. I for one think you're playing better this game than in others (though, I've never played with town-you before, so I dunno about your townplay).
Fine, fine. You're the veteran scumhunter, mistress. I still hate your methodsUncertainKitten wrote:Taking a short break.
@GI: It's not that amazingly amazing that you're agreeing with me. Regardless of my methods, people for some reason do seem to think I'm a halfway decent player. You might not like me, but I don't think the fact you've basically started to see what I see is so noteworthy it requires a shudder. Now then, do you think HF is scum with me? What about Katsuki?
Oh, seriously? I thought they were rhetorical based on my post in #825. I'll make it perfectly clear:UncertainKitten wrote:That was probably sarcasm, but in case it wasn't, I did say halfway decent. I'm far from Glork good, or really anywhere near the "high tier" players. I just have some concept of what I'm doing, whether you like my methods or not, mostly all I was pointing out.
Also, there were two questions in what you quoted. Please answer them ^-^.
This statement drives meKatsuki wrote:When did I ever say my CD-town was based on gut?
This whole statement feels frabricated, I don't remember not sounding very confident about cooldog either.
Post is a straight up 'gut' claim. And it really seems like she doesn't want to paint herself into a corner. Everyone is null, except CD and UK. If anyone does an ISO on her and finds her supporting a lynch candidate, well, guess what? She said they were null, no contradictions. It reads really, really cautious to me because it paves the way for a weak bandwagon hop of "Well, they were null to me, but now because of {Katsuki wrote:Unvote{removed spacing for readability}
Just want to say, them being neighbors =/= confirmed town. Just that they're not the lynch for today.
Cooldog is also not the lynch for today. He is a giant VI, but I have a strong town-read on him this game.
LMP is underwhelming. But I think I've learned that town-LMP is underwhelming. We'll see.
Mari is as hard to read as ever. Last two times I had her read as scum and she was town, so.
Fitz worries me. I have no impression of him at all this game. Hell I wouldn't know he was in this game without looking at VC.
SC is being SC, and I have not had the time to read him.
I would be fine with a UK lynch at this time. She is not that town-presence I am used to in previous games. I get this odd aura around her.
Vote: UK
This feels really defensive and completely forced. Why? Well, it's posted on Feb 03. On Feb 02 (the day before) in the ISO:Katsuki wrote:If lazy is not having had the time to read/play properly, then sure. I don't remember the last two times I had to go on V/LA.Mariyta wrote:Started out ok, then became combative, short-winded, and generally lazy. Asking for people to basically tell her what to think. Not the Kats I know.
Kat:
This is NOT THE ONLY instance of unnecessary defensiveness, it's just the only one that makes my head hurt this badly. I'm not going to summarize everything wrong with this interaction, because it should be fucking obvious.Katsuki wrote:I forgot to mention.
V/LA until Sunday/Monday due to holidays and weekend trip.
I will definately try and squeeze in a post pre-lynch though.
So what, he has a power like "can use the NK as a day kill?" And that entire song and dance with theUncertainKitten wrote:All right. The wisdom on speculating on a no kill is mostly in the event you assume it wasn't a doctor. Granted, the length of my speculation only extends to "I wonder if CD has a penalty for his vig"
You of course don't try to speculate about doctors/who they protected.
I've completed two games on this site. Lets see:UncertainKitten wrote:I don't see the rolefishing. And hilariously enough, scum don't tend to rolefish. It's HELPFUL to them, but it's one of those weird things where most of the time a townie will rolefish. Of course, it's possible there's an exception.
RobCapone wrote:we need to decide if we think that day killing role is Vig or SK
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=100RobCapone wrote:it's pretty obvious who the day killer is unless I am completely off base, at first I thought it was llama by the way he kept talking about it but than after he suggested it could be a SK instead of a vig I realized it wasn't him anymore and found it pretty easy.
I thought you were scum day 1. Then I thought you were town. Now? I still think town, but Zang being your vote of the three was like... what? You had an entire case on StrangerCoug built day 1. And guess what? Since then he's hard claimed "copy editor," "totally incomprehensible," and "really fucking prickly." Woohoo. LMP has done jack shit except lurk, try to get CooLDoG to vig you lamely, tunnel you lamely, and lurk. Zang has just done fucking jack shit and fucking scummily too. Every time someone calls him on it he lazily fucking nips at them a bit and then yells at someone random and goes back to lurking. And frankly Tripod seems to be trying to throw suspicion on everyone EXCEPT you, who he fucking scumbuddies pretty much most of day 1. "Superbusser" for Tripod? He puts little disclaimers before half his reads going "well, this is probably wrong or something, teehee" while doing his day 1 lists.UncertainKitten wrote:GI, if ANYONE in this town tries to outguess the mod on neighbors, I am SO going to be pissed. That'd be utterly dicktarded.
And you don't trust me, GI? That's nice to know.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say specifically what it was so you can decide though...
Just where do you stand on me, GI? That's never been particularly CLEAR, you see.
Either way, if you guys are gonna end up lynching me, give me warning. I'll be on later to use my ability to hopefully disable a scum from using the QT tonight.
Sigh I know. I sicken myself with my play as of late. Hence why I'm in only 2 games now (including this one), and not joining any new ones.
I was overdue for retirement a few weeks ago as my head hasn't properly been in mafia, but thought I could stick it out for this game. Evidently I was wrong.
I see NO EVIDENCE that Katsuki submitted her power. Mine uses the thread. CDs uses the thread. Even assuming Katsuki did NOT use the thread, I don't see any evidence from 2:40 that the power was used.ok, fuck this honkey noise
vote Katsuki
AGM was her single top scumread going out. No matter how bad her play was, she knows the drill - on day 1 you Jailkeep on to lock down scum reads, not to protect town reads. He says NOTHING in the QT all night to Zang and... what? They decide to submit a shot on him anyway? The only person who would have the least little idea that Katsuki submitted her power would be Zang - no talking from AGM. And AGM just claimed to beKatsuki wrote:As much as I love you, I'll hate you for all eternity if you actually are town.AlmasterGM wrote:OH AND NOW UR REPLACING OUT
BYE SCUM.
MoI seems like a nice guy. Let's save him the trouble of finding a replacement by LYNCHING THE CLAIMED SCUM. Yee?
This reasoning is shit. I stated that we first assume Katsuki used the Jailkeep ability on you with PM. Even then, you want this heroread that the night kill was submitted on you.1) Zang is a moron.
2) He could have been V/LA.
3) Maybe I was just V/LA, or something. he couldn't know.
4) You just said yourself that KATSUKI DIDNT ANNOUNCE USING HIS ABILITY. SO FIRST YOUR STORY IS, "OH, AGM IS LYING ABOUT BEING TARGETED" and then your story is "OH ITS SO OBVIOUS THAT AGM WAS TARGETED." YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
5) Secret tech that you are not allowed to know at this juncture.