Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[mb53]

I was going to vote vezo for suggesting a mass claim, but then I saw this

And I found a way to break the game open.

Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N

Just answer and say nothing more. Everyone has to do this.

Yes. I see where you are going with this.

Vote: Morthas

, for basing his answer off of the example role PM, instead of his own (because he didn't get a town PM of his own.)

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Hoppster is trying very hard to sound town.

FoS

What consequence is there to answer whether bad guys want your goodies or not?

[mb53]

Twistedspoon seems town to me >_>

Hoppster: Seriously. You can't just go around saying "AH BLAH BLAH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION IS SUPER SCUMMY, DON'T DO IT" and not explain WHY it is bad.

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You guys still aren't saying why it is bad to answer...

I

see no harm in it.

[mb53]

Hoppster and Zyrconium= Scum buddies tunneling on someone (who isn't scummy)

Unvote, Vote: Hoppster

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unvote, vote: Zycronium

Both scum, it does't matter who is lynched first.

[mb53]

Who do you think is scum kalofer?

[mb53]

Ok hoppster, I see your point.

*golf-clap* Zyr made a case

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BTW

I no longer see Hoppster as scum (good explaination), but I can still see zyrc as scum for sheeping.

[mb53]

I think both of you are town.

Need some in-actives in here. Pretty please? =)

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Also, although I don't really like to go too much into closed game mechanics at such an early stage, but has anyone noticed that there were 2 kills pre-game (even though they aren't actually players). I don't know general mafia team setups for mini-themes (2 mafia, or 1 large(r) mafia), but since there were 2 kills, it already suggests something...

I don't think pre-game flavor is relevant to the game at all.

(Also, in case you guys didn't pick up my point with the sheep picture, it was accusing Hazard of sheeping, while cleverly posting a zoo animal)

[mb53]

Twistedspoon seems town to me >_>

How about offering me the same courtesy you requested and explain how you ended up with a town read on TS?

Gut, being active, and the fact that the cases on him are meh.

If I was TS, I could destroy the cases on him. But I am not, so that is his job.

[mb53]

Nope. Thats his job.

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To be more clear about why I am hesitant to defend against the case on TS:

In my first ever mafia game, I defended someone else. And I got fucked over because of it. Now just recently (different game), I destroyed someone's case. Turned out the guy actually was scum, and I again, got lynched for it. Not going to happen again, twisted can do it himself.

[mb53]

Well, I saw what you saw vezo.

Who do you think is scum?

Please join us lurkers

I keep wanting to call out lurkers, then realize that its only been 1 day, so its not really considered lurking :3

[mb53]

That is terrible logic TS. Absolutely

terrible

excuse not to defend yourself.

Dropping my town read down to a could-go-either-way read (null).

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@TS

You can scum hunt and defend yourself.

This. There is no reason for you not t defend yourself. You are just using a lame excuse.

Also, you said you wanted to question vezo. So... why aren't you asking questions?

@vezo

Who do you think is scum?

[mb53]

Meh. Less than adequate defense. Keeping you at null.

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TS is getting scummier by the post >_>

If i was scum I'd be a lot less active and be defending myself a lot more.

WIFOM.

Good morthas post. That is

town

wagoning, while zyr is

scum

wagoning.


P-Edit: Shit big post. I want to throw this post out now, I'll read your post in a second.

[mb53]

Can you please tell everyone where he is going with this or if not then keep your mouth shut and let him go on with it if you DO know and not tease us by saying you know where, but not telling us, that's scummy at least in my view it is. I want an answer.

It is

really

hard to explain without quoting role PMs.

The hoppster is scum trying to sound town post: mostly gut. Besides, I'm past that, and said I have a tow read on him now.

OMG REALLY? Zyrc was only joking, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it and that single statement is not enough to be lynched for a day, if your votes are serious though, can you at least say something more about why zerc is scummy.

Already have. He is sheeping hoppster, without giving any reasons of his own, and then calling for an immediate lynch (90% sure he was serious).

Quote 12:

This post tells me you're either hiding more stupidity or intelligence than you're showing, and you better show what you're hiding quick, my patience is running out.

What the fuck are you talking about.

Well did you really now?, good job on basing so much suspicion and some votes if I'm not mistaken about something that's been proven to be wrong now, great job.

I repeat. What the fuck are you talking about.


P-Edit: Don't claim / nobody hammer. There is at least 1 person who has only posted once >_>

Stop ninja-ing me!

Again?

[mb53]

I will repeat myself.

Saying you aren't scum because you are active is WIFOM. Therefor, pointless.

Answering questions for other people is not good. Maybe scummy, maybe not, but you shouldn't do it.

[mb53]

What are your stronger points?

[mb53]

Saying scum wouldn't admit that it is WIFOM

is

WIFOM.

[mb53]

I assume TP is a typo for TS.

I'm hating TS. My gut is telling me that he is town, but all of the evidence points scum. I'd rather lynch zyr, where both gut, and evidence points to scum.

Go go zyr wagon.

P-Edit: I was right!

[mb53]

I believe twisted's claim. Multiple reasons. One, is I doubt scum would be able to make up such a role. Two, my gut town read. Three, I re-read the thread, and found that zyr's vote on TS is even more bullshit than I thought it was.

not sure what I think of switching votes in RVS

Cautious to the extent of AVOIDING scumhunting.... so not town....

anyone want to go RQS?

Deflecting with fluff upon being accused.

He quoted half of twisted's post. The full post...

if we're going to go into the psycology of smilies then yes, you could say I usually dissaprove of vote switching in RVS . You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?

anyone want to go RQS?

What do we do with the items we have? Can we donate them? Maybe if some one gets them all we win:D.

WOAH

what do you mean by 'if someone gets them'
Is it even possible to transfer items?

what reasons do you have for thinking this? I hope this isn't role-fishing vezok from execution mafia again.

Helping vezok rolefish while looking to discourage it(his question)

Or he thought he was scum, so questioned it.

Aaaand... Thats pretty much all zyr has contributed to the case. All of which hoppster pointed out before him. And he is calling for an immediate lynch.


More zyr votes please.

[mb53]

Also, I think that twisted's role can explain his odd "role fishing" earlier

[mb53]

Kalofer, I assume that since my response post didn't get responded to, that I had an adequate defense? Or did you just miss it?

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So, everyone on the TS wagon (especially the ones who already said that they believe the claim)... Who do you think is scum now?

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So, everyone on the TS wagon (especially the ones who already said that they believe the claim)... Who do you think is scum now?

[mb53]

I'M SORRY I NEVER EXPECT DOUBLE POSTS

[mb53]

Ghaa, slept through our RVS
But glad to know this town is planning on taking it's time, even if scum has decided to make itself known...

if we're going to go into the psycology of smilies then yes, you could say I usually dissaprove of vote switching in RVS . You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?

1) And why would you NOT?(P.S. direct answer is so that someone else is feeling said "reasonless pressure")

anyone want to go RQS?

2) VOTE: twistedspoon
P-Edit: FUCK, there's more than 1!(or vezok is being a retard again, I'd give it even odds)
Vezok, don't ask retarded things like that.... and if you do, do it in PMs to the mod....

Ok so Zycronium's first vote and he is already attacking Twistedspoon. Since he claims that he slept through RVS, I think its safe to assume that he's voting TP based on his two points here. Point #1 is a matter of opinion. Point #2 is based on...suggesting to ask questions? How is that scummy? Also, his last line to Vezok is teaching. Vezok can ask as many retarded things as he wants if he's scum. He doesn't attack him but suggests that Vezok doesn't do so again.

And I found a way to break the game open.
Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N
Just answer and say nothing more. Everyone has to do this.

This is even worse role fishing btw, and it's role fishing that if vezok is town assumes the mafia are all really really retarded..... simple logic could turn this into a massclaim.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE DON'T ANSWER THIS.

So at this point, Zyrconium has continued to go after vezok. Yet, he doesn't vote for him and suggests that it can turn into a massclaim. I'm pretty sure that everyone, scum and town alike, would vote that evil people want to know your goodies.

Anyway, everybody lynch TS now, it's already taken too long.

@ Kalofer: There is nothing that says he is joking. Also, if it were, why didn't he respond when to people voted for him? Contributing any comment to "jokes" is always a bad idea. Just as TP has been saying "oh, i just use WIFOM a lot! ignore it," leaving Zyrconium can say "TEEHEEE I wasn't ACTUALLY trying to quick-lynch!"

Now post 82 is too long to quote, but Zyrconium only says a grand total of 5 phrases! He simply divides up the same Twisted Spoon quote he referenced earlier, playing it off as a brand new point. The whole TP encourages rolefishing thing is BS. TP turns Vezok's rolefishing

towards

him, which is fitting given that he obviously suspects Vezok. As does Zyrconium, who has now completely abandoned the Vezok issue and is instead using Vezok's posts to hurt the now-under-pressure TP.

Then there is the Hoppster buddying issue, which I have ignored but figured it should be mentioned as part of a case on him.

Add, Ad hom to my loist of reasons.

Fair enough, but...

He's refering to MB, reread the sentance, it's kinda subtle, but it's the only logical conclusion.

Whaaa, whaa, you're picking on me for talking too much!

This is AtE... it's suprisingly effective on me, but when I notice it, it pissed me off even more, if you happen to be town TS, you're really really bad at it.....

Add Ad hominem to my list of reasons. And hypocrisy.

Twistedspoon seems town to me >_>

How about offering me the same courtesy you requested and explain how you ended up with a town read on TS?

I can't even find said "courtesy." Nevertheless, you are dodging both mb53 and myself via placing more attention on TS. I don't like how Zyrconium has ignored the two votes on him, whether or not he finds them to be illogical.

I have found significant evidence against TP at this point, but it by no means makes TP our only suspect. He's just going with the most popular lynch, he only briefly talks about VEZOK-scum before turning it against TP, and has otherwise contributed very little.

[mb53]

(Also note that nobody special was posting other places than here last night as well)

Oh and

I suppose. I'm still not liking (not in a personal sense) you that much though, mainly for your short posts, constant vote changing and aggressive behaviour

That is just how I roll =)

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1) Scum might not have to make up such a role. It could genuinely be a scum role.

That is valid. But personally I doubt scum would ever claim their actual role.

2. I said this almost right before his claim.

I'm hating TS. My gut is telling me that he is town, but all of the evidence points scum.

3. Fair enough, maybe I should have just had it not numbered on a separate line.

Is that the only reason you are voting me? Or is there something else that I can defend against?

P-Edit: GRAPPLGOSFNGAJGFKRK NINJAS

[mb53]

Question to town: Has no-one else seen a hoppster-Amrun link? Answer this

Eh, kind of, not really though. More of a Hoppster zyr link (even though I have opposite reads on them xD).

Amrun has a town read from me. I dunno whether its gut or what, but I don't really seem him as scum. As twisted would put it:

shrug

[mb53]

what makes you go with your gut in believing his claim over your head?

I doubt that scum would be able to make up that role. I also doubt that scum would claim their actual role.

Like I said before, I would rather lynch zyrc, where both my head and gut is saying scum, rather than TS where my gut and head are conflicting.

P-Edit:
*Gasp* I see amrun's point though (and hopefully you see mine and vezo's now about the "Do evil guys want you items Y/N" question)

Wait was that the hammer?

Stop with the ninjas..

[mb53]

Don't hammer yet (although I am tempted to with amrun's find). We should here from CP and NS. CP said he will post tonight, and from NS's sig

NO ACCESS Friday March 11 until VERY late at night.

[mb53]

Oh that actually was hammer? >_>

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I don't think its is hammer. Morthas and Hoppster unvoted, then amrun and toasty vote. I think it is L-1

P Edit

Oh wow, I didn't realize so many people unvoted.

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...

What is with you and WIFOM? I've had enough of it, screw my gut town read.

(Will vote after I double check vote count)

[mb53]

Vote: Twisted Spoon

L-3 I think

[mb53]

A little more justification for my vote.

WIFOM. That has been your only defense. All game. Then you say that WIFOM is unacceptable. Then you do it again.

My role PM almost flat out states that your role is scum.

Lack of

good

scumhunting. And I know your excuse will be "I've been too busy defending myself", which is bullshit. You should be able to multi-task.

If you are town (like my gut wants me to believe), you truly played this horribly.

[mb53]

Add AtE to the list.

[mb53]

I will agree that there isn't much defense for you anymore, now that you have dug yourself such a huge hole.

Also, the game has been going on for just over 2 days, and we are 12 pages in/nearing a lynch. ♥

P-Edit. Most people know how to multi-task. Has this skill never been taught to you?

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When he first claimed, I didn't take my own role PM into account. Then I remembered after amrun mentioned it (remember my *gasp* post?)

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Speaking of zyr

My scum read on him hasn't changed. I would be happy lynching him.

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Unvote, Vote: Zyrc

I can guess those reasons.

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As for Hazard, that does make me more doubtful, but am I supposed to trust you over my own role pm? I don't think so.

What about two people? For me, that is enough.

[mb53]

This means that since X wants Z and Y wants Z. X isn't neccesarilly Y.

Ah, that is a good point. Me and amrun are possibly being narrow minded?

[mb53]

(My) Sequence Of Events/Thoughts

Thought TS was town.
Kept getting scummier, even though I kept a gut town read.
Claimed, believed claim.
Realized that the claim had to be scum.
Trusts hazard, TS must be town.
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And then he rolls with the "His claim is scum role with green text slapped on" after I believe Hoppster came up with it.

No, I'm going with amrun's "My PM says that that role

is

scum"

Seriously though, TS, you honestly are really terrible (this game at least), whether you are town or scum.

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Mmmm... I really don't want to say what I think hazard's reasons are, but I kind of have to to defend myself...

[mb53]

Jesus, why is everyone zeroing in on the word "trust". I 'trust' him now, because I can guess the reason he doesn't want twisted lynched.

[mb53]

Just checking in. I don't really have anything to say right now though.

[mb53]

mb53: in YOUR PM, is it explicitly stated or just (strongly?) implied that TS's role is scum?

I guess strongly implied would fit best.
Also, yes, amrun explaining is good.

[mb53]

No, I don't think that you did say it earlier. I did guess that however, which is why I backed off of TS.

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@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

Yes, I believe I said in my last post that I guessed correctly.

I am not sure I see why everyone is voting for TS now, especially after his role was confirmed by hazard. I think TS had a good motive to lie and protect his power role. And no way could he accurately guess what the zoo visitor role does.

(Obviously, I am against LAL, or any type of policy lynch for that matter.)

Would like to hear more from NS. Have you even read the whole game yet?

[mb53]

Why would they have the exact same role PM if they were different alignments?

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@ Kalofer: I don't think a mb53 lynch is going to happen. Out of Zyrc and TS, whom would you rather see lynched?

Not to try and get myself lynched, but we still have a week, and anything can happen.

I think that TS is town. He was confirmed by the same role. I don't think either of them would lie, I see no motive for hazard to lie (whether he was town or scum) and no way would TS as scum successfully guess what the role does.

On a side note, I think vezo is town from his early "Do evil people want your goodies" question.

[mb53]

Okay; those of you NOT voting TS, please tell me why. Time for summaries.

I expect 7 responses.

I think that both TS and hazard have the same, town-aligned role.

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@ Toasty: Well, I'm conflicted on vezok. The fact that mb53, Amrun and yourself answered it makes me think there may be some conceivable angle vezok is coming from. I'm not sure how vezok would know to ask a question that at least three other people would answer 'yes' to if he were scum. Having said that, I'm not sure why town would assume such a question would break a game open, so I'm unsure.

I forgot/can't believe this wasn't explained earlier >_>
Sample role PM doesn't have the part about stealing goodies.

Not sure what to think about hoppster's case. I shall think it over and post on it tonight/tomorrow.

[mb53]

Everyone in this game has officially gone insane.

[mb53]

On behalf of TwistedSpoon and myself, I would like to shout out: I TOLD YOU SO!!!

QFT.

Now could we not be idiots by lynching hazard today?

Vote: NS

I'll post reasons later today.

P-Edit: Oh, I see we

are

going to be idiots today?

[mb53]

I'm lazy/don't have time, so I will post reasons for my vote tomorrow

[mb53]

So, for my NS vote, I didn't say why I think he is scum right away, because I was planning on pulling direct quotes, but he hasn't really said anything that I can find that is specifically scummy, it is rather just generally scummy play. He lurked a lot through day 1 (whether on purpose or on accident), then voted TS for LAL (which is say is a really easy way for scum to get on a wagon, because when the player flips town, scum can just say "Well he lied, why would I think he was town"), then didn't really do anything else.

Really vezok? You essentially are suggesting a mass-claim?

[mb53]

Why

does hazard need to say who he stole from? ... >_>

[mb53]

Scum can just as easily lie and say they targeted someone.

That confirms NOTHING.

Hazard is still town BTW

[mb53]

A better question is what does scum gain if said secret is revealed?

ROLE INFORMATION.

What does town gain if that secret is revealed?

NOTHING.

[mb53]

we MIGHT get told if the person has goodies, I don't think that's especially mindblowingly awesome for scum

I disagree. It seems pretty clear that scum want to know who has goodies.

[mb53]

I think we are all looking far to into roles. How about you scum-hunt instead?

[mb53]

And MB, if you happened to be reading you'd see I've already found scum, I'm just being ignored on the subject.

You have not found scum.

[mb53]

I think this role bickering is going no where fast. Heres an idea! How about you guys attack who you think is scum. Then, we can lynch scum! Nifty idea right?

Because seriously, this claiming stuff is not helping catch scum.

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@morthas

I would rather you say all of your arguments for why he

should

reveal.

[mb53]

Hey guess what, I could say the exact same thing to you.

[mb53]

Its much easier to respond to if it is in one place, rather than spread across multiple pages. Don't be stubborn.

[mb53]

What's the case/suspicions on NS?

So, for my NS vote, I didn't say why I think he is scum right away, because I was planning on pulling direct quotes, but he hasn't really said anything that I can find that is specifically scummy, it is rather just generally scummy play. He lurked a lot through day 1 (whether on purpose or on accident), then voted TS for LAL (which is say is a really easy way for scum to get on a wagon, because when the player flips town, scum can just say "Well he lied, why would I think he was town"), then didn't really do anything else.

[mb53]

V/LA until the weekend

Tons of school work this week. If you see me posting elsewhere on the site, its because those threads take no thought.

[mb53]

I'm back I'll post in like 12 hours-ish

[mb53]

Gah, I forgot about this game yesterday, and just replaced into a different game, so I doubt I'll be abl to post tonight either. I

will

post tomorrow,

I promise

...

[mb53]

Quickly caught up.

Stels case is convincing. Willing to hammer.

Still think NS is scum (even if it fits meta ).

[mb53]

"Quickly"

But basically yeah. Not

that

much has happened since I left...

[mb53]

Should I reveal my goodies info?

Yes

[mb53]

You already said that, I was just telling you to say it again for testing lying

[mb53]

For now I will vote the lurker until VV/the replacement makes a post about the game. I still have a feeling about NS scum. Also have a small scum read on zyrc from back on day one.

Vote: CP

[mb53]

Oh crap.

I just got something. Amrun is scum. Or at least I think. Maybe not.

I lol'ed

[mb53]

Apologies, see sig. Will post late tonight or tomorrow

[mb53]

Ok, I am finally here and reading.

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I'm pretty damn sure Zyrc is town now. He's definitely read my wall and understood where it was going (with A), which I don't think scum would.

Why would scum not see where that was going? I thought anyone could (apparently not hazard though).

Hazard's circular reasoning is terrible, I can't wait for an explanation.

Hoppster's little section about hazard not finding anyone on the wagon suspicious is good

Vezok is

still

town because of his "do evil people want your goodies" question at the beginning of day 1.

Yes, I'm saying hazard and zyrc could be scum together

This is certainly a possibility. I'm thinking about making a case on zyrc tonight.

[mb53]

Scum would not have the answer in their role PM like every candy animal does.

[mb53]

CP's vezok jump is scummy.

[mb53]

Who is VP?

[mb53]

This has slowed far too much for my taste. Can we kill someone? I'm happy with zyrc, CP or VV.

[mb53]

Woo, another day of lurking...

Come on people

[mb53]

Thats because there isn't anything else to fucking comment on because the scum is just lurking through this game *cough cough* CP *cough cough*

Can we please get a lynch?

[mb53]

V/LA until Sunday

[mb53]

Mmmmmm, I still have only skimmed the thread since when I posted V/LA way back when. I'll probably re-read he whole thing tomorrow.

[mb53]

Ssshhhh, I'm busy. And no, I'm not going to claim before I read the thread

[mb53]

Alright screw it, w/e claiming now.

Just normal candy animal. Want me to claim flavor and/or goodies?

But yeah, re-reading thread tomorrow.

[mb53]

Ok, so I lied about my claim. I did so because I knew the second I said "3rd party" everyone would scream "ZOMG LYNCH NAO," and since I got a mod-provided fake-claim, I would figure I could use it.

Since I figure I will get lynched anyway, w/e.

So yes, I am a 3rd party Fat Kid (lol <3 Charlie). I win if I gain 14 goodies. Whenever someone who has goodies die, I get those goodies added to my completion list. Each night, I can visit someone and find out if they have any goodies. I have targeted NS (yes has goodies), CP, and amrun.

[mb53]

Hence why I was fighting against the TS lynch, and pushing for NS (and voted CP).

Yeah, go ahead and lynch the 3rd party now

[mb53]

What was your intention of lynching NS over TS? You took his goodies and was therefore useless to you? Also, how many goodies do you have atm?

I didn't take NS's goodies, I discovered he has some (therefor, I want to lynch him). And TS, since he claimed he didn't have goodies, I didn't want him lynched.

I have 7 goodies (all from amrun and CP.)

[mb53]

Because they would try and kill the claimed PRs (and/or someone attacking them)?

[mb53]

Oh O_o

Then IDK why he died. I don't understand why you say that poisoner can't work though, zyr. Thats the only solution I see.

[mb53]

this game confuses me.

[mb53]

^ I don't get it.

[mb53]

I mean, what are our options really? Risk a third party win by keeping mb53 alive another day? CP had 2 goodies, but Amrun had 5. Whose to say he can't win in just a single night phase?

It is my understanding that both 3rd party AND town (or mafia) can win.

but mb53, do you have any last words? more importantly, who should be lynched tomorrow, in your opinion?

Nah, the second I'm dead, I lose doesn't matter who you lynch....

Mafia Ninja

Also, this. I missed this possibility.

[mb53]

Mhm...

[mb53]

What am I supposed to contribute? Now that my place in this game is exposed, what is the purpose of fake scum hunting anymore?

[mb53]

I think that was only L-1. Didn't pine unvote?

=(

[mb53]

FTR I don't see how what TT did was scummy.

So, you are accusing him of being scum for putting me at L-1.

By your logic, you are/were suggesting we are scum together.

Do you

really

think that scum would put his partner at L-1 for me to self hammer? We wouldn't be that stupid.

Just sayin'

[mb53]

99%

[mb53]

TT is right =P

Days over. [sarcasm]Hurray![/sarcasm]

[mb53]

A question!

Does everyone want me dead because they don't believe my claim, or because I'm 3rd party?

[mb53]

Why the hell would anyone want to kill you because you are 3rd party?

I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not.

[mb53]

I do not see how does a 3rd party may affect my win condition whatsoever (especially one who has claimed not having any abilities that could end a townie life) so why would i want to lynch you because of being 3rd party? (although this is my first game witha 3rd party so i may need to be corrected)

Yes, this is what I am saying. Everyone else *cough* toasty *cough* says

Really? 3rd parties aren't alligned with the town. You don't just let them prance around the thread until they achieve their win-con.

... But why not? I'm not hindering you being a winner either.

[mb53]

It is my understanding that both 3rd party AND town (or mafia) can win.

[mb53]

You can win with the town yes. But you can also win with the scum. Another problem. You are stealing goodies. Town needs that.

I'm not stealing them, I only get them from dead people.

Actually, I'm not even sure if I pick them up, or if I just eat them and get closer to requirement.

[mb53]

I obviously am not self hammering

As seen, scum has goodies too, so I am not only looking for town deaths...

[mb53]

I lol'ed.

[mb53]

*5 hours later....*

So yeah, I'm going to bed.

So assuming I am hammered over-night, all I have to say:

Welp. Not much I could do with a watcher claim on me......................

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(in which case Zyrconium is lying scum, Cops don't get guilty reads on Third Parties)

Dude, you obviously aren't paying attention to the game if you seriously just said that.

Wuuuuuuuuut. Two even night commuters sounds even more unlikely then my role. lawls. Totally a fakeclaim. Especially with the "I'm commuter" --- next post "NO SERIOUSLY, I'M COMMUTER *commutes*"

Also, that isn't the hammer.

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I was trying to be super active pro town day 1 (sorta worked) then watched it backfire on TS, so I slowed down for the rest of the game.

I was quite fond of my fake claim, a shame I still got lynched after it. I thought it did a good job explaining my actions all game. When I saw I was going down, I tried subtly hinting that toast was my partner, but no one picked it up.

Pine's even night commuter fake claim was TERRIBLY obvious. Other then that you did great.

I thought hoppster did great, I'm still unsure why he got lynched >_> (I wasn't following this game very closely after I died).

I blame ourselves for being caught on the watcher result, we shouldn't have targeted the obv town amrun.

Good game, too bad it went downhill for us.

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I kind of wanted to keep zyrc alive too, I thought there was a small chance toasty and I could convince everyone to lynch him