Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

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Hairy Potter

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The unicorns made me do it.

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The attack MAY have been contrived but...well...it's RC, and he's already calling for an Alliance so he can betray us all T_T

Shun: RC

Why do you have to hurt us? huh? HUH?

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Ugh on spoiler tags! You are making me do more work to read what you wrote.

1. I consider all and any votes made now or in the very near future to be RVS. I have nothing concrete to base my vote on RC right now, so yes and no. I am not considering changing my vote to anyone in particular yet, but I don't see any reason that my vote should stay on RC if any other people add to the wagon.
2. No, I know RC from around site but have not actually played in a game with him.
3/4. By saying "us" I mean the Unicorns. I was referring to a group of people who I joined this game with because I know them from the Unicorn Brethren.

Funny note: The games I HAVE played with Unicorns they have killed me off N1. Not cool guys, not cool.

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Um, is there a possibility this is a game mechanic? Because it just seems cruel...

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@Stefunny: Tell me more about your history in unicorn based games.

I don't see how this is really relevant. I stated what I need to state already. In games I have played with Unicorns I have been NK'd Night 1. They apparently think it's funny...

@NS: Although I find some of RC's posts to be slightly ridiculous I think suggesting or stating you'd be happy with a policy lynch ESPECIALLY this early in the game is extremely scummy.

His arrogance and attempt to direct the town is not to be trusted. He does the same whether he's town or mafia, and without being able to tell the difference, I can't trust him.

How well do you know RC around site? He tends to lean toward the arrogant side regardless of what the discussion is about, you seem to know this since you refer to it being the same whether he is town or maf, so how does it automatically make him maf? Also, are pro-town people not allowed to be leaders in the game? I am confused by how SURE you are that he is scum so early in the game. I mean;

And it's not so much that you're the ONLY PLAYER that I think is anti-town; it's that you're SO MAGNANIMOUSLY anti-town that you're filling up the radar screen so that there's no room for anyone else.

that sounds PRETTY sure. I also think it's funny how SURE you are that he is anti-town but you are concerned about other people's negative reactions to the Alliance idea.

Regarding the alliance idea:

1. Do you or do you not think that alliances could be useful if led by pro-town people? Confirm or deny.

This line implies that we know you ARE pro-town. How would you feel about an alliance where we chose not to include you until we felt you were pro-town?
Also, I'd like to note that TWICE

Why so averse to the idea of an Alliance, NS? Whether that's because you weren't invited, or because you only ever remember me doing it as scum (HP mafia) I don't know, but Alliances are extremely pro-town, and there is a huge net benefit.

I realize how hard it is to trust me after Harry Potter, but hey. I was scum then and I was doing what it took. Now I'm doing what it takes again, just from the other side of the coin.

you refer to a previous game where you had an alliance and you were scum!

That being said I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. If you have a large enough group to start then you are guaranteed that any scum IN the group would have to end up doing anti-scum things. UNLESS, the person who is "in charge" of the alliance is misguiding everyone. Which means [quote="RC]There ARE no cons to this idea, only PROs. A lot of them.[/quote] Is not really true and the fact that you continue to say that kind of irritates me.

At this point I would be willing to consider it, just to see where it takes the discussion. I honestly just see it as sort of a "voting block". I can see how people would be blatantly against it, I think that's a pretty null tell at this point.

My other concern regarding anyone who would be a part of this insanity is that there couldn't be somebody just riding coat tails. I would expect everyone to give equal input, I could see it be easy for scum to jump on this little wagon and just ride along laughing at our potentially bad decisions.

Unshun

Shun: Charlie

You never came back and gave any insight as to why you didn't like Charlies post. You have asked questions that I feel are non-relevant and/or leading, and I don't like how your posts are 98% questions and 2% input.

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And I only referred to HP mafia again because I wanted NS to know for sure that this was NOT that.

Pinky swear?
Is he just supposed to take your word for it?

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I JUST FUCKING TOLD YOU.

READ THE FUCKING POST.

STILL DON'T GET IT?

READ IT AGAIN.

I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SHIT.

2. You've quoted the relevant section of text three times now. Still haven't properly responded to it though. For someone who is SO SURE that Zod is scum, you're not doing much to convince the town.
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5. You're hiding behind the "CAPS LAWK RAGE" to excuse why you're not answering Zod.

So, I'm assuming you are referring to

And since when was having a life a scum tell? Having three posts by page 4 is hardly inactivity, and this is far too early in the game to be saying 'LOL HES AN IRONIC BULLSHITTER CAUSE HE SAYS ABOUT POSTING CONTENT WITHOUT POSTING ANY HIMSELF'.

Your vote on RC can't have been too serious if you vote on the next flimsy reason to pass your eye.

Because that is the only thing I have seen Tans quote 3 times that Zodiark said to him. Honestly I'm kind of confused to. Especially since you are getting so worked up over this. Tans specifically asked what questions he was not answering and I don't really see a question in this post. I see that you want him to RESPOND to it, but I don't know how exactly you want him to do that.

It's just a game dude. Don't get so worked up.

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Oh yes. There are tons of things I can pick on it, but I'd rather stay mum about it until more people post. Be patient, good things come unto those who wait.

This was in reference to RC at #65, yet I don't see you making ANY reference to it in your most recent post. That was a large part of my vote on you. And no, I don't see enough content in your post to make me change my mind. You didn't make any stands on any of the topics that have been discussed in the last 5 pages, not even a wishy-washy one.
AND after saying you had all kinds of things to pick on about RCs post you still base your vote on GUT?

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@Haylen: On your latest vote count I believe you have me still listed as voting RC when I actually had changed my vote Here To Charlie.

Sorry for the confusion.

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@Pulindar: The point that there may be two maf groups is a good suggestion, and I can see how it can nullify the immediate use of an alliance. For now I feel like this idea needs to wait at least a couple of days when maybe we have a better idea of what our situation is. At that time I would be willing to consider it, I just think there are too many potential variables at this point. Also, you are 'Good-postin' and I think your contribution has been above that of most of the people in the game (aka Ignore RC's cockamammy list)

With regards to Umbrage/Tanstalas. Both of you are being ridiculous and immature. However, I don't really see cases against either of you except OMGUS and howling at eachother. If either of you would kindly like to state what you think of the rest of the game it would be appreciated. I doubt Umbrage is maf and I doubt he is Jester as well.

I still think Charlie is where I'd prefer to leave my vote. I feel like he's tried the hardest at LOOKING like he's giving input without actually doing it. Things like this:

Oh no, don't you start! You know exactly what I mean.

and this:

I do protest, but I also do not want to engage in a full blown argument over this matter.

AND THIS:

Oh yes. There are tons of things I can pick on it, but I'd rather stay mum about it until more people post. Be patient, good things come unto those who wait.

Feel extremely dodgy to me.

Hiraki, what happened to the motivation RC gave you to make a wall post?
Zodiark, BESIDES Tanstalas who do you think is scum and why?

Also since I think my vote is still getting missed...

UNSHUN:

SHUN: CHARLIE

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I feel like I need a translator link at the end of this post just like at the end of Kryptinen's posts.

At 54, just to note, if anyone hadn't caught on yet, Huir means to escape. I don't think there's a real Spanish verb dedicated to shun. So, just putting that out there for Kryptinen. The mod.

This also confirms Kryptinen's post restriction because I'm going to go off the probability that Haylen knows Spanish.

Not looking good. So, if anyone, near Endgame calls Kryptinen fake for some reason, don't buy it. Or else.

I don't think the argument was whether or not Kryptinen was FAKING the PR, I think it was more is it a TOWN PR or a SCUM PR.

I also don't understand how your quote of Charlie is a reason that Rhinox should die. Especially since you call it "Part 1" and I don't see any parts...let alone a reason for calling it part 1.

I also think you are mixing up peoples quotes. A few quotes you did of Kryptinen are quotes that I think are not by Kryptinen. I think you have gotten names mixed up.

Zodiark and Umbrage look meeeeh due to Tans' points. I see where both sides are coming from. Umbrage loses more scum points though for contradicting the obvious.

What do you mean by "loses more scum points" Is he less scum or more scum for contradicting the obvious?

How in the world does RC @ 127 make you feel he is town?

Ugh. Tans is right about Umbrage though in 151. Umbrage hasn't stated anything. Which is detracting from Umbrage-town status.

UGH.

Good to know you are paying such close attention to the game.

Oh. That's a good point. Umbragetown is back!

And then Umbrage responds with Caps.

And no answer.

Which is what he accused Tans for.

FUCK YOU UMBRAGE.

YOU'RE SCUM, RC IS TOWN. FINAL.

Yeah #162 confirms that Umbrage hasn't been reading. He's back at null. Not town. I can't leave an active lurker like that.

Rhinox is still scummy, so it's okay.

He's not scum anymore, but leaning. Probably lying near the border.

So Umbrage not reading makes him null instead of scum? Also please clarify why Rhinox is scummy but not scum. You make us follow this "scum! not scum! scum!" argument back and forth about the same person and it leaves me wondering how the hell you came to your ultimate conclusion. I'm confused how you expect us to follow this.

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Are you only voting RC due to him not talking?

I think NS was asking who THIS referred to. Were you referring to NS' vote on RC? Or someone else's?

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If "haaaa dumb" isn't a serious response then how is giving a "facepalm" in response to someone's accusation a serious response? In fact, all of this response

2) I give you a facepalm in regard to your second paragraph. You're picking an argument just for the sake of arguing.
3) I find your words long and unconvincing.
4) WIFOM. And confusing
5) Nothing to say.

Is pretty much useless. Especially when you look at your latest responses.

Well, your scum alarms are borked.

So go fix them.

Then again, don't.

So I suppose you want me to defend against you?

I don't think you should be snarky about other people's snarky responses. I also would like to kindly ask that you please pay attention to quote tags. I know you said you don't really care because YOU know who said what, but that doesn't really help the rest of us in the thread.

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Okay so I wrote a post and then deleted it because I didn't think it would be worth posting, but now I'm posting it.

GODDAMMIT RC. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTENT TO POST THEN DON'T WORRY, WE WON'T DIE IF YOU DON'T POST EVER 4 HOURS. Prod-dodging is ONE thing, what you are doing is just a huge distraction to anyone who is trying to actually follow the damn game.

One thing I am gonna say though, is that in the middle of the day, when things are in full swing,

if the best thing you have to do is pick on a lurker, that means a) you're scum, or b) you haven't read the thread.

So if you're not scum Zod, go back and read the freakin thread. You are one of the guys who's off my radar at the moment, because I don't remember reading any posts by you, or having anything stick out to me.

For me, that makes me suspicious of experienced scum knowing how to slide by w/o attention on them (at least until LYLO or just before).

Helloooo contradiction. How is what Zod is doing any different than the lurking you are referring to? Perhaps he thinks you are a the experienced scum sliding by?

Also, I applaud Zod dropping the Tans thing.

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Honestly the slight possibility that there is a jester in the game is the reason I have not switched my vote to Umbrage. I know it's a very very slight possibility, but I'd rather wait a day and see what happens than risk it. I have not really played many games that were not open or semi open so I'm not sure how often a jester occurs on site.

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Tomorrow.

I'm about to pass out.

If I don't post tomorrow, then I can be a viable lynch for lurking. But I will, so don't worry.

What will I do?

Well, if I tell you, your minds may blow up.

So I won't tell you.

Does this mean you believe in lynching people solely because they are lurking?

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This is me asking.

OK. Think about it this way; put yourself in the shoes of a mod. Now you're the mod. You decide to have a PR-ed player in your game. You weigh the pros and cons of a Town one vs. a Mafia one (or, you automatically make a Town one no questions asked). The PR Townie here is limited in so many ways; they'll be difficult to read, they have the ignored by the lazy, they'll have difficulty in getting their points across. Generally, a crippling role. Very suited to Town. I hope this is logical.

This definitely falls under "Expect the Unexpected" and It's realistically WIFOM. Yes, it makes more sense logically that the PR is town, but how do we know that the mod didn't anticipate that and make the PR mafia knowing that some would write it off as town. This whole discussion is null. We do not know either way. You should judge what you think Kryptin's position is by the content of her posts, not by her PR.

RC is scummy. He's wallposting and verbose because he's excited.

Being excited is a scum tell?

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Did nobody else acknowledge the fact that Doombunny requested replacement?

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Argh, that is the SECOND time that Hiraki has attempted to fish for reactions but has made it more of a joke than anything. You didn't even wait 45 minutes. How do you expect to get reactions when you don't give enough time? Even if it's an attempt to start discussion you have to let it play out longer.

I'm currently happy with my Charlie vote but based on the super dodginess of his posts I would also support a Hiraki lynch.

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How do you know he would claim VT? Do you somehow know his role?

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Stef: I did note that, but it is still the spot. The case is weak, and I know that when Nacho is town he is the most protown player I have ever seen. I refuse to vote that spot today (now that he subbed in) but really my main prospect today is Zod.

I was commenting on it because certain people were still demanding votes on Doombunny even after replacement. I thought it was scummy to push for the lynch based on the posts Doom had made thus far when there was a replacement incoming.

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If Zod flips scum, I think you may be right on Hiraki being scum.

They seem to be buddying a lot, or their scumdar's on each other are broken

So you would consider a Hiraki lynch D2? Would that be regardless of Zod's alignment, or would that be only if Zod is scum?

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So if Zod were to flip town you would be against a Hiraki lynch? I didn't ask a stupid question, I was clarifying.

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I think you (Tans) are trying harder to get Zod lynched by using coersion and negotiating then you are by building a case against him. While I agree he has done some scummy things I think there are better lynch options because the case on Zod is relatively weak. Obviously I don't want a no lynch to occur but not voting for Zod does not make me part of the problem either.

And how the heck does that work? I don't understand how Pul and you would be considered obvtown if zod flips scum. You are forgetting that we have already discussed the possibility of two mafias, therefore nobody is obvtown.

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PURE SPECULATION INCOMING:

Home for a quick lunch, but I just had a thought. What roles would be lovers in this mafia? I know it's not for sure, but I'm thinking if Hiraki and Zod are lovers chances are they may be the blue and pink unicorn.
FOR GOD'S SAKE THEY STEAL ORGANS!
I think those would be scum roles.

I have to go back to work now, but it was a random thought I had while working...

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Shun: tans

Now that he's claimed, he dies. No excuses. Pull your heads out of your asses and kill some scum now. I'm not lynching Zod. tans wants him dead and that's enough to convince me he's probably town.

And what about the reverse? If I get lynched, when I flip town, will that be enough to convince you that Zod is scum?

Why do you keep stating that a scum flip or a town flip should convince someone of another person's alignment. In a game where we could have multiple scum groups and possible third parties this is so not the case. You're push for a self lynch irritates me to no end and while I agree with some of the case that has been built on Zod you continue to push for his lynch with statements like these:

(@RC)

If you don't switch to Zod like you said before deadline that will cement my opinion that you are scum.

If we don't lynch someone, scum get a free kill. Now, are you going to part of the solution or the problem?

You'd prefer a no lynch and let scum have a free kill tonight?

These are almost like threats and it really bugs me that you sound like you are bullying others into agreeing with you.

I was jokingly speculating about lovers being the pink and blue unicorns, but I do believe that lynching potential lovers at this point might be a mistake. I would assume one of them is most likely scum but I would really like to

hear from Hiraki

to see if he confirms Zod's claim before we lynch him.

I would like to see the lurkylurky Charlie get some pressure but as everyone has pointed out we are drawing near deadline and it's time to pick a lynch.

Shun: Tans

@MOD: I will be V/LA starting Friday the 20th and will be back Monday the 23rd

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Tans pushing for a self lynch doesn't irk you in the slightest? I've not had a lot of experience with this situation, but the few times I have seen this happen it's been a great way for scum to discourage their own lynch.

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Nacho, I'd like to apologize to you. In the past I have had a hard time dealing with you because I think perhaps you pushed a lynch on me and I was town, and it made me angry. I let emotions affect my feelings toward certain players but I've kind of changed my perspective of other people in the game as of late.

Your last few posts have made more sense than most of the crap in this thread and you are actually quite persuasive. I didn't think about Hiraki denying the lovers claim and what affect it would have on my views of Zod. You pointed out both situations and what they would mean. While I'm not convinced that Tans is town and that his VT claim/self lynch was town motivated your posts are :Good posting:

I suppose if it came down to last minute I would consider Zod, but I would really like to see Hiraki's reaction before we potentially lynch him. I still would rather see a Tans lynch, but I agree that a no lynch is not a good situation.

@Tans, your ebwop post has circumstances that are not what I was referring to, but I have seen scum self vote/threaten to self hammer. I will have to go back and do some rereading in previous games (At least one situation was on MS) so it might take me a few.

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EBWOP: I've only been in a few games on site but I found at least one of them this game is one example.

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And you should be responding to ongoing wagons.

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I'm gonna have to re-read you and Doombunny carefully, Nacho.

Beware my trained schnauz.

What is this...?
After being wrong about your top two scum reads D1? After distracting town all day D1, without doing any actual scum hunting?

Hiraki, what do you think the chances are of 2 two man scum teams and only one NK?

I could see Zodiarks posts being interpreted as scummy, but I still see no confirmation or denial of the lovers claim from Hiraki.
Stop dodging questions and start responding to things directly related to you.

I don't think lynching Zod is a great idea at this point because possibly we could end up losing two townies. I'm not convinced Zod is scum yet.

Charlie's insane flailing back and forth between wagons at the end of D1 was scummy as all hell, and now he posts again without any content. Same as yesterday.
VOTE: Charlie

If there is support for an RC wagon I would consider that vote as well. He is simply distracting town and has admittedly not kept up with the thread.

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In response to Pulindar:
No, I was not on a one man wagon end of D1. I had switched my vote to Tans in post#441.

I had stated my thoughts on the two unicorns were pure speculation, but at this point with a town flip of the Charlie the Unicorn role I think there is a good possibility the Pink and Blue Unicorn roles are mafia. The only problem with this theory is that it is too obvious for them to be lovers/siblings and a double maf lover/sibling combo would be silly. Therefore until I hear more from Hiraki about Zods claim I don't think they could both me maf. I don't know of anyone else who stated those roles may be scum, it was just a thought based on the webisodes. (CMON THEY STOLE HIS KIDNEY!)

RC refusing to switch is something I forgot to add to my last post. Part of the reason I would consider an RC wagon.

Also. I did it wrong.

Shun: Charlie

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I was not implying that I thought anything about Role blockers or docs or 3 man scum team...I was asking HIRAKI what he thought since he was keeps saying he thinks there are 2 two man scum teams. If you're asking though, I highly doubt it. I would say one scum team most likely, but what I can't wrap my head around is why they would have killed Umbrage when he was as scummy as he was. My only thought is that RC suggested he was possibly jester and there was no confirmation or denial from mod (As should be expected) So they figured we wouldn't lynch him. Other option is there is a SK/Vig who was listening to RC as well. Either way RC has influenced 2 deaths that were town. Yes they played a slightly scummy game but I still think there were more obvious candidates D1. A no lynch however was not beneficial so we had to go somewhere.

ALSO! RC, please stop referring to OTHER games that have little relevance to the game at hand. You keep doing it and I'm not going to go back and read those games.

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Actually I pointed out several times during D1 that I thought Charlie was scum, and continued to do so long after you had changed your vote. So you can say that the Charlie wagon was something *YOU* started and take credit for THAT, but you can't take credit for the Tans wagon that *YOU* also started?
Hmm, seems contradicting to me.

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Oh and, RC, your OMGUS is showing.

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The entire point of me pointing out that you were on Charlie is that YOU STAYED THERE USELESSLY when there was obviously other stuff going on. Exactly what (in my experience) scum would do. And that is why you've gone up on my suspicions list. And you also failed to respond to my accusation saying that you trying to pin Umbrage's death on me is RIDICULOUS as well. So?

But I didn't stay there uselessly, I ended up changing my vote to prevent a nl and I gave input that obviously you missed whilst skimming the thread. Also I said why I already statedwhy I attributed the Umbrage death to you, while it was just a speculation it was also the only two reasons I can see Umbrage being nk'd.

I do agree with you on one thing. At this point Charlie is my suspect numero UNO. But that's been fueled by his last few posts that were complete nonsense and had zero content. After a new day begins and there is a nk everyone else gave at least some sort of a vote or thoughts.

HIRAKI

Instead of repeatedly ignoring it can you please address Zod's claim about you two being lovers? Kthx.

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Actually, Nacho makes a good point about RC. It's okay for him to assume things are unlikely, but not for Charlie to do the same? And then his sole defense is

No. Your argument is invalid. Zod is town. Charlie is scum. Shun accordingly.

I'm not 100% read up on the thread yet, this just stuck out at me. Off to work and when I get back I will catch up.

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Argh, catching up later tonight. I promise.

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What the heck happened to this game? All it is now is wall after wall of mudslinging. Zod and Hiraki are probably lovers, I didn't think about the fact that it would have been an easy double kill for scum, but they didn't kill, so most likely at least one of them is scum.

I think Charlie and RC are probably scum as well, but one scum or another doesn't really matter, especially when either Zod or Hiraki is obvscum. I would now support that lynch. I have to do some more catching up, but I will post something more useful at the end of today.

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I really don't comprehend the Rhinox wagon. It came up suddenly and I feel like the majority of his posts have been completely ignored. I still have a little reading to do but I don't get why we are lynching him instead of the lover pair?

It's pretty much evident that at least one of them is scum, so why are we pursuing a lynch that has had little reasoning behind it? The only reasoning I see that is valid thus far is some of Hiraki's wall, but I believe he and a few others are jumping on this wagon solely to derail the wagon on the lover pair. A number of the votes on the Rhinox wagon have absolutely NO reasoning with them. It's disgusting.

Deadline is quick approaching though so we need to come to a decision. I'm not a huge fan of the Rhinox lynch at this point as I don't see it being worth it lynch one person who is possibly town instead of lynching a pair that we are pretty sure has scum in it. We know there is a good chance we will be sacrificing one townie in that lynch so why not do it now instead of possibly killing off extra townies?

Shun: Zod

I know my contributions have been lackluster the last two weeks but this is now the only game I am in so that will be changing.

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No, actually, I sadly am starting to think you are town, but I believe Zod is scum.
Do YOU think Zod is scum?

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Oh, look, you're twisting my words, how cute.
I realized that scum would have been more likely to take the double kill if they both had been town. The fact that they did not take the double kill means that one of you is obviously scum.

Hiraki's posting is starting to convince me he is town, but I haven't seen anything from you that makes me think that. I understand that whoever is town doesn't want to die, but if you claim not to know each others alignments then you need to be willing to consider the fact that the other one is very possibly scum. Therefore if you are town your wincon will most likely eventually require that you both die.

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So your wincon doesn't say something along the lines of 'when all mafia are eliminated?'

Because to me that would mean you aren't town.

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My wincon says something along the lines of 'when all mafia are eliminated'. Which is why I implied yours should as well unless you are not town.

And excuse me for not sitting staring at my computer on a Sunday morning. I have other things to do with my life.

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Nachomamma8, please claim in your next post.

Wow, are you seriously asking for a claim like 2 posts after the thread reopens? I really don't think the support is there this fast to lynch Nacho so I think asking for a claim is ridiculous. I mean really, there are so many more options and now there is the fact that there were at least two night kills. There is a lot more to look at now. There are 7 left alive which could very well put us in a mylo/lylo situation. We don't know if there are 2 or 3 scum and with the all the kills last night I now think we either have a 3rd party or possibly a vig. (?) I think possibly a vig because of the lack of two kills N1. I'm not as keen on mechanics though so this is all pure speculation on my part.


Also, based on the discussion that was had about Kryptinens post restriction D1 I think Charlie is a very likely scum candidate. He posted Kryptinen was obv town, which isn't bad in itself, but when pressed about the issue we got

We have our differences, fine.

and

I do protest, but I also do not want to engage in a full blown argument over this matter.

I've felt he was scummy most of the game but with it narrowing down I'm becoming more and more convinced.

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Everyone should go back and look at who the dead suspected.

Seriously? Because I'm pretty sure everyone who has died, with maybe the exception of Zod (I'll have to go back and check, I'm pretty sure he'd changed his scum read to me), went to their grave saying that you were scum.

Do you still think this is valid reasoning for who is scum?

What happened to your alliance talk? Do you still think it is a viable idea? Do you feel like you got any useful information from the discussion of it D1?

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Prod received, haven't logged on in a few days, heading out to a going away party now, but I will post when I get home.