Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

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Jesus. $ pages in only a few hours?

Anyway

How is it not obvious that Twisted is Scum? At this point, his only defense against Hoppster is "OMG TUNNEL TUNNEL TUNEL COZ U SAID THAT U LUV ZYRC"

Vote: Twisted

And, I'm pretty sure mb is his scum buddy. He's probably backing off now that Twisted is getting himself into some serious shit.

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If he really is town, shouldn't you destroy them anyway?

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Wait, how was my second post unoriginal?

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Damn, this game is pretty awesome, even though I can never post in it. Thank you, Charlie.

Anyway.

Unvote

I am lurking for 2 reasons. One, It's a habit I am slowing breaking in this game. Second, I never get a chance to. It takes fro ever to read through these pages, and I never have a chance to post by the item I've finished. But now I've got all night, and I ain't sleeping til I've found scum

Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.

I'm going to ISO some people, and be back.

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I have my reasons.

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Vote: Mb53

He doesn't even believe TS is worth voting until Hopster and Amrun restarted the wagon. And then he rolls with the "His claim is scum role with green text slapped on" after I believe Hoppster came up with it.

And, he's really been doing that kind of thing all game. When the TS thing first started, and it got pretty heated, Mb hopped off it.

Sorry, I thought I hit send on this a couple hours ago, and come to find it sitting here still open.

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@Hop
Yes. It actually surprises me you can't.

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I find it hard to believe that Amrun's pm literally says TS must be town. It makes absolutely no sense. Can someone clear this up for me?

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F*** it.

Either me, TS, or Amrun will get night killed, and if we do, AVENGE US, DAMNIT!

TS's role claim is my role. Thar.

...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

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So, I've been reading early in the thread.

What do we do with the items we have? Can we donate them? Maybe if some one gets them all we win:D.

WOAH

what do you mean by 'if someone gets them'

Is it even possible to transfer items?

what reasons do you have for thinking this? I hope this isn't role-fishing vezok from execution mafia again.

I guess you would know, since you've now offered (so very generously ) to take Amrun's items.

My name is Nobody Special, and I subscribe to the policy of Lynch All Liars.

Vote: twistedspoon

HOLY CRAP.

That little [censored].

Vote:TwistedSpoon

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The only thing I can think of is a little improve and that Mafia can take items too.

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Other than the "Game thread is here" and "Reply to this PM to confirm" it's pretty spot on.

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You could have just not said anything, like anyone else would have done.

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At this point i'm pretty torn between if TS is scum or not. I'm still keeping my vote on him for now.

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Just saying I might not have time to really think about what's going tonight. I have/am walking home from track, so I read through the thread. I will say that TS's defense looks like something a normal Scum would make. But even if he is Scum isn't exactly the most normal Scum.

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Also kalofer.
The fact is usually the first lynch might not be a Scum. Out of 13, how easy will it be to get 3/4 Scum?

So what ill do is the same thing when the person you want flips town. Especially since you want to lynch almost half the players.

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@morthas I can read that, you know.
Also ts , pleading to use your or tonight is pointless if its the one you claimed because I have it. I could use it instead.

The reason I am voting ts is lal. Now I personally do think it is ok toie in some cases, like protecting PRs. But TS wad not doing that. He was bot backed into a corner, but instead told a lie when it is completely necessary if he is town.

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@Hoppster: I think TS' lie makes him look like scum.

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You said you'd like to see _________ lynched instead of ya, but you listed 6 different people, almost half the game.

What I meant by that other phrase is, if you push a lynch and I hop as well as others Edith in a lynch of a town, I will do the same thing you would do.

Again typed on my phone while on the go.

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I'd really like to hears some actual reasons as to why you guys are voting NS.

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No, we aren't told what ingredients we get.

But for the most part, I'd like to keep it quiet, not sure this is the best. But then again, I'm not sure there will be a time.

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You are missing things. First of all Charlie keeps track of my candy, I do not get to know what I get, what I can make, or how I can use it. Also, my PM says I can steal if it's a candy animal, so I don't think I can steal things that have already been stolen.

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How has that not already been confirmed.

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vote morthas

That's just stupid. First of all the only thing it might solve is knowing who a candy animal is, but that's if they are told when they loose candy. But, even if I wad Scum, it wouldn't prove that I am such.

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[quote]According to that logic, candy animals would not have been told of what candy they have gotten in the first place, that would be completely retarded anyway[quote]

What?

I am not told what candy I get, and I'm not even sure if I'm told if I got candy or not. The candy animal might be told either.

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OH, and I forgot, I would like to know what Hazard's results PM is like, just without who he actually stole from.

I'd have to ask the mod.

Charlie, can I tell them?

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It was one word.

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accept, acquire, admit, apprehend, appropriate, arrogate, assume, be given, be in receipt of, be informed, be told, catch, collect, come by, come into, cop, corral*, derive, draw, earn, gain, gather, get, get from, get hands on, get hold of, grab, hear, hold, inherit, latch on to, make, obtain, perceive, pick up, pocket, procure, pull, pull down, reap, redeem, secure, seize, snag*, take, take in, take possession, win

I figure it could either mean I got Candy or something along the lines of understood.

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Yes, that's what it was, I thought that was what you asked for?

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Ah.
I don't want to reveal it at this time.

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Alright. Revealing really just makes it null and void but fine.
I targeted kalofer. Ounce the new day began I got a pm saying I visited my neighbor and we were both got a quicktopic whitch we could chat in for 72 hours. It also said Kalofer is the same role as me but might not be the same alignment.

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Because I didn't understand how he knew TS was town and I figured it give me information.

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Sorry, didn't realize I haven't posted. Been busy with school and stuff.

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Oh, I didn't know you asked me a question.
I'd say he's town, ATM. And, yes I think I did get some good information.

I'll post something with content later if I ever get my work done and stop procrastinating. If not, I'll do it tomorrow.

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Sorry, pretty busy irl, with Track in full swing and lots of projects in school etc. I'm just checking up really.
But I', apposed to a Stels lynch, I'm really not convinced and nothing he's done seems damning. IMO, I'm thinking scum is on this wagon, cause I really haven't seen much reason at all for this.

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Vote: Hoppster

I would have tried to wagon him before Stels died, but you all had to go kill him before I got on.

No, Hoppster I did not target you. Hoppster is obviously trying to get all of the Zoo Visitors to use their ability on one person. And if he does the ability he says he does, then it would be a waste anyway/ Just think about it. He wants all the possible town PRs to use their PR in a hope that they'll get something, but most likely not. It'd be stupid to do that for 2 or 3 nights straight and even not getting anything. And he can just say, "Oh well I wasn't ready to not use the ability."

I visited Zyrconium. And I did get soemthing.

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I chose at random.

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I could use information on everyone, but I can't visit everyone. Solution, random.
What is it with you and not being chosen? If I know your role, why do I need to visit you (not saying I know his role for sure, just what he's told us). I'm not doing this just so get candy, it's the information.
Before this, not really. Now my best guess is Candy Animal.

@Toasty Because he may have the ability to make our power roles (if used on him, at least) null and void.

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I thought that was obvious. Town.

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WTF HAZARD

I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU TO TARGET ME

EGEJGOIRJGO

I DIDN'T HIDE MYSELF LAST NIGHT AND YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN

AND NOW I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO EACH NIGHT NOW PREVENT THE SCUM KILLING ME

AND YOU'RE LIKE "LOL YOU WERE TRYING TO TRICK ME"

SERIOUSLY, WTF?! >>

I would have tried to wagon him before Stels died, but you all had to go kill him before I got on.

No, Hoppster I did not target you. Hoppster is obviously trying to get all of the Zoo Visitors to use their ability on one person. And if he does the ability he says he does, then it would be a waste anyway/ Just think about it. He wants all the possible town PRs to use their PR in a hope that they'll get something, but most likely not. It'd be stupid to do that for 2 or 3 nights straight and even not getting anything. And he can just say, "Oh well I wasn't ready to not use the ability."

I visited Zyrconium. And I did get soemthing.

Aaaand this is all BS. As I've said, I didn't hide last night, and the plan was that you'd only need to do it for the one night if you did what I said, the stuff about every night was to throw the scum off-scent. But no, you decided that you were just going to go with random.org or whatever.

And what makes you think Zoo Visitors are all the possible Town PRs?

The only publicly known ones, they are.

The reason I wanted ALL ZOO VISITORS to target me was because it was painfully obvious to me that as soon as I suggested the plan, if they weren't going to kill me (and I didn't think they were going to kill me) that they would be killing a Zoo Visitor.

I know this will be turned around on me, but we have no way of knowing that is true. The fact is, I had no way of knowing you would use the protect or not. I'm not going to waste my PR just because you say so.

And trying to wagon me? What's this?

Sorry, pretty busy irl, with Track in full swing and lots of projects in school etc. I'm just checking up really.
But I', apposed to a Stels lynch, I'm really not convinced and nothing he's done seems damning. IMO, I'm thinking scum is on this wagon, cause I really haven't seen much reason at all for this.

Uh-huh, here was your vague post opposing the Stels wagon without addressing my case AT ALL, and then your vague non-specific attack followed by NO VOTE which now lets you say "WELL I MEANT HOPPSTER". No, that's not going to work, sorry.

What? Is all this directed at the one quote? I was stating how I felt about the wagon quickly. It had no vote because it wasn't meant to have a vote. And "I MEANT HOPPSTER" makes no sense.

Your reason provided for targetting Kalofer is also a steaming heap of BS.

Because I didn't understand how he knew TS was town and I figured it give me information.

WAIT THAT SEEMS AWFULLY FAMILIAR

Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.

MMHHM, THOUGHT SO.

So how come you had mysterious reasons for thinking Twistedspoon was town, yet Kalofer does as well and it doesn't occur to you that you have the same mysterious reasons?

That doesn't apply. I was able to try and find out why he thought that, so I did. I never said he couldn't have his reasons. You are putting words in my mouth now.

VOTE: Hazard

@Hazard: If Hoppster wants all Zoo Visitors to target someone, then why does he want himself targeted? May just be a phrasing issue

waiting for some more input from people

Okay, my thinking was admittedly quite selfish, but when it turned out we were lynching Stels and thus couldn't use the 'Zoo Visitor-Cop target Stels' plan, my plan was to confirm myself as town. There have been suspicions about my role as a scum fake-claim or whatever, and I wanted to prove my hiding was OPTIONAL - and I thus had a role that would be extremely improbable to be in the hands of scum imo.

The reason all Zoo Visitors were needed to target me was because it was very likely imo that one (and it was probably going to be Kalofer) would be killed, and then I'd be held responsible. This problem would not occur if ALL ZOO VISITORS targeted me.


@ Amrun: I'm waiting for follow-up posts and discounting that first post by Vas as null.

Morthas: If you could compile everything I need to answer into one post, that'd be great. I did see you asked for reads though. I'll get that in a follow up post in a few minutes.

Zyrconium: You weren't told. Did you happen to have raw dough before night one? Because that is what I was given. Also, your post is sending mixed messages to me. You are disagreeing with my Hoppster wagon at first, but then you say a Hoppster/VV team is possible. Isn't that contradictory?

Amrun: You asked if we are assuming Candy Animals are town, I remembered reading soemthing in the beginning about some of the visitors being evil.

Someone remind me what the case is for CP? He hasn't even posted yet (I think).

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Oh, forgot, my type in purple.

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Amrun: Null/Town.
He hasn't done anything very scummy at all, but his posts seem like fluff most of the time to me, usually consisting of simple one line questions that sometimes don't need to be asked anyway.
CP: null
He hasn't done anything scummy, but he hasn't done anything at all. He's lurking far to much, but I don't really believe in Lynch all Lurkers.
Hoppster: scum.
Mb53: Null/town: He seems pretty town ish to me. Is he on V/la or something?
Morthas: Null. I don't know what to think about him at this point. He seemed pretty town during D1, and still now I guess.
ToastyToast: Town. He strikes me as town by the way he posts I guess.
NS/VV: Based on his recent posts, town.
Vezok: Town. From what everyone else has said, he must be incompetent.
Zyrconium: scum/null.

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I know this will be turned around on me, but we have no way of knowing that is true. The fact is, I had no way of knowing you would use the protect or not. I'm not going to waste my PR just because you say so.

Okay, let me get this straight.

1. Do you think I'm town or scum?
   
2. Do you believe my role part-claim?
   
3. Why didn't you target me last night?

You may have answered these separately, but I want them all together in this context.

Scum
Yes
Because it was a trap to waste my PR

What? Is all this directed at the one quote? I was stating how I felt about the wagon quickly. It had no vote because it wasn't meant to have a vote. And "I MEANT HOPPSTER" makes no sense.

Aaaand here's what you said earlier:

Vote: Hoppster

I would have tried to wagon him before Stels died, but you all had to go kill him before I got on.

Aaaand here's what you said before that:

But I', apposed to a Stels lynch, I'm really not convinced and nothing he's done seems damning. IMO, I'm thinking scum is on this wagon, cause I really haven't seen much reason at all for this.

You wanted to wagon me, there was your opportunity. Instead you chose to make a vague non-specific attack which is then your reference point in the future for saying "LOOK I TOLD YOU I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF THIS GUY YESTERDAY!!1!"

That's the only quote you have from yesterday that could be construed into you being suspicious of me. And yet, it came with no vote.

Ok, first off, my post yesterday WAS NOT DIRECTLY POINTING AT YOU. I was quickly stating what I thought of the Stels wagon before I had to go. I did not directly think you were scum before that post. If you actually were to read my posts, I have not ounce said anything along the lines of "I TOLD YOU SO, SCUM WAS ON THE STELS WAGON." It's you making that BS up. It came with not Vote, BECAUSE I WASN'T SUSPICIOUS OF YOU YET.

Stels (7) - crazypianist1116, ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, Zyrconium, Amrun, Hoppster, Kalofer

Please tell me who the scum are on this wagon and how you can distinguish from the non-scum who also voted, even though, as you say yourself, there's not "much reason at all" for it.

I can tell you're scum because you wanted to waste PRs and now making idiotic case on me, just like scum would make.
"even though, as you say yourself, there's not "much reason at all" for it." What?

That doesn't apply. I was able to try and find out why he thought that, so I did. I never said he couldn't have his reasons. You are putting words in my mouth now.

No, I'm quoting what has been said, and then filling in the gaps in a logical manner.

It does apply, for the reasons I have said: you had mysterious reasons, you thought he had mysterious reasons... You can't refute it just by saying "OH IT DOESN'T APPLY". The fact is you, of all people, should have been able to quite easily guess Kalofer's reasons if you thought he had some role-related reason for thinking TS was town. And how would targeting Kalofer explain his thought process? If you're town and you've been honest, you should have had no reason to believe that targetting Kalofer would reveal any insight. All we knew was that Zoo Visitors that target Candy Animals get goodies.

Just because I had mysterious reasons doesn't mean I'm not allowed to use the PR. We all have the right to hide things, and we all have the right to request them to answer or vote them if they don't. And, if you notived I revealed my mysterious reasons. I did not think he had role related reasoning. At the time, I didn't think there'd be more than 2 of the PR. How would targeting him explain his thought process? I got a QT with him where he explained it.
REALLY? NO INSIGHT? We got PLENTY of information from that.

You still haven't justified your stance on Stels from yesterday. Please do.

As I have mentioned in the post you have quoted dozens of times, I disagreed with your reasoning.

Amrun: Null/Town.
He hasn't done anything very scummy at all, but his posts seem like fluff most of the time to me, usually consisting of simple one line questions that sometimes don't need to be asked anyway.

CP: null
He hasn't done anything scummy, but he hasn't done anything at all. He's lurking far to much, but I don't really believe in Lynch all Lurkers.

Why is Amrun Null/Town but CP just null?

This is just fliff. I stated why I think they are scum/town/null. Try reading you quotes.

Mb53: Null/town: He seems pretty town ish to me. Is he on V/la or something?

Morthas: Null. I don't know what to think about him at this point. He seemed pretty town during D1, and still now I guess.

Why is Mb53 Null/Town but Morthas just null?

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Vezok: Town. From what everyone else has said, he must be incompetent.

Sheeping people's reads?

No. How is that sheeping?

Zyrconium: scum/null.

Justify this kthx.

Idk, gut feeling.

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Hazard: I must have glazed over when you placed Zyrc as scummy after you told me he was town. Why did you say he was scummy?

What?

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Evolution?

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4. because you wanted me to waste my PR
5. Because you are scum who would benefit one way or another from me not using it.

"So you say your quote from yesterday disagreeing with the Stels wagon isn't attacking me. Uh-huh. Who is it attacking then? Are you being deliberately vague? Why didn't you specify?"
It isn't attacking anyone, and yes I was deliberately vague because I had to walk out the door in five seconds after the post. I don't really understand what your getting at with your second bullet in D, but it sounds like it's the samething as in the first one. FYI, D2 comes immediately after N1, if you hadn't noticed.

"And it came with no vote because you weren't suspicious of me? Oh, then who were you suspicious of and why didn't you vote for them?"
No, I wasn't very suspicious of anyone.

"please tell me how you can tell who is scum and who is town on the wagon. Unless, of course, you were being deliberately vague and attacking nobody in paticular"
Vague and inparticular.

How would I know that I would get a QT with him? I Figured if I visited him I'd at least know he had candy if nothing else.

I didn't agree with the stels wagon because I believe and thought stels just got mixed up and accidentally contradicted himself, even thought he was town. The fact is, even if you are scum, you don't try to contradict yourself. It's a mistake. If scum can make mistakes, so can town.

On F
first of all, Amrun and CP are quite different in my mind. CP hasn't been here for most of the entire game, where as Amrun has plenty of posts. CP is flat null because there isn't thing to analyze, amrun is the exact opposite.
Morthas and Mb53 were almost entirely gut things. They haven't done anything scummy, but like I said before with Cp and Amrun, Morthas has been more active recently than Mb.
"I'm just making up reads" That's what were supposed to do, otherwise it'd be sheeping.
Oh, and on Vezok. Without the fact that everyone else has said he's essentially incompetent, he would be the most scummiest scum that had ever been scum. And it's pretty obvious, so why the hell aren't you tunneling him then?

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Sorry, rather busy, but for the most part I didn't know how to respond and didn't realize it got 72 hours.

-Circular motion
This is what I said.
4. because you wanted me to waste my PR
5. Because you are scum who would benefit one way or another from me not using it.

You are reading as I if I said
4. because you wanted me to waste my PR
5. Because you are scum

Now, even if you think he's town, what if he was trying to waste my PR? What, that doesn't make it scummy?
Also, all I've heard is the sheeping what others have said on this.
Person 1: "Hey, that is scummy!"
Person 2, 3, 4, etc: Oh, yes, yes, scummy!
What really makes it scummy? He did something scummy(tried to waste a PR), I think he's scum for it. Why do I think he's scum, because he did something scummy (tried to waste a PR). Why did he do something scummy (try to waste a PR)? Because he's scum (and would benefit from it one way or another)

My reads
"You said Amrun's posts were largely fluff, which means you can ignore them, so actual content-wise they should still have similar number of posts, no?"
Yes. They are the same wise, but they really aren't the same. It really just depends on how you feel about the 2. IMo, (not to say either are good) no posts is better than constant fluff, but that's just me.

"Morthas and mb: Morthas hasn't posted for 4 days now. Still more town than mb?"
Well, this is kind of invalid now.

"You're not meant to make up reads...

you're meant to base them on your gut

at the very least (which is itself based on their posts), or through reasoning (which is also based on their posts)."
Gut, AKA making up.
If you want to deflect onto other people, try being less obvious in future."

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Really vezo?
Everyoen just stfu and make a post.

How about some more votes for Hoppster?

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Ohey.

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Nahh. I'll be watching you though.
Can't wait to hear what you're thoughts are on this.

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I see.

I thought you were scum quick-hammering.

Then you're pretty much confirmed town. If anyone wants to argue with that they should go fuck themselves.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Is this how he normally acts in games?

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Mmmmmm, I still have only skimmed the thread since when I posted V/LA way back when. I'll probably re-read he whole thing tomorrow.

Your kidding right?

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I'm just hear to say I believe the new claim. I'm off to go to party. Probably be here to voice my full thoughts.later tonight/tomorrow.

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I'm starting to lean toward an mb lynch. The flavor of his fake claim seemed real to me, but for the most part Mb hasn't even been contributing.

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I'm starting to lean toward an mb lynch. The flavor of his fake claim seemed real to me, but for the most part Mb hasn't even been contributing.

Hazard, did you mean this in general or just recently?

The contributing part in general, the leaning toward an Mb lynch just recently.

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VLA

Busy as heck and don't think I'll have much time at a computer at all. for a little bit. At latest I think I'll be good by Wednesday, but I'm going to try my best to Keep up with this game.

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I knew hopp was scum when he pulled that BS back in like D2/3

Fun game.