Ender's Game Mafia (Over)

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What up, bitches

vote TSQ

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Seriously though. Claim, right now. Or I will day kill you. I'm not joking.

lawl

if you're actually a dayvig you realize that you'll have to use your power today. shoot sleepykrew he's kind of an idiot.

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unvote, vote Zang

choo chooooooooooo

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never said he was scum

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don't you mean

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wah wah

get on the rvs wagon you pussy

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love Zang's vote

and by love his vote I mean I'd be perfectly content for him to hang

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Well, IS is probably going to be pushing this wagon until either he or Ghostwriter is dead. Time to reread I guess.

Jedo doing a bit of a soft push on Zang is interesting. If they're both scum, that was perhaps the worst attempt to bus a partner ever.

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UTs 26 is off to me. Earlier he suggested that I dk krew, which, was probably a joke, but when I responded seriously, instead of admitting that it was a joke and moving on, he simply said "I never said he was scum." i don't get that, are you claiming that you want me to day vig a player you don't see as scum? That is senseless.

The point was that I was saying you should kill him because he's stupid. I never claimed he was scum. And since you seemingly can't get this on your own, no I didn't actually want you to dayvig him.

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I never said that he was town. I don't think he is town, I just don't think he's scum.

Huh?!? Then what the fuck is he?!?

Ever heard of a term called "null"?

Null isn't an alignment. I'm still super comfortable with my Zang vote because of the "I don't think he's town or scum" thing. That is not at all the same as saying he has a null read, and it strikes me as wishy-washy and scummy.

Let's hang Zang, folks

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Yes, but you weren't

this

aggressive, and your posts were much shorter and more tunnel-y.

Every single game I have played or read with IS went like this one. For the past 8 years. Just for the record.

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you're goddamn right we're going to criticize you for that

what the fuck was the point of all the voting/unvoting?

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I feel two ways about a massnameclaim

1. I know that it should probably hurt the town because scum would be able to pick off town power roles pretty easily.
2. Banking on the assumption that Jedo isn't lying, the role distribution must be absolutely fucking bananas if Ender is a VT.

That aside, I really don't think a day 1 mass claim is a good idea. Either it totally breaks the game or it totally fucks over the town. I prefer winning to losing because I tried to take shortcuts, personally.

On another note though: scum-Jedo probably understands that he's going to get lynched soon, so he's claiming what would presumably be the most power town role in an attempt to out the real Ender before he dies so his scumbudz can either tie up a potential doc/JK protecting ender for the rest of the game so they can more easily pick off town PRs or just make an attempt on Ender's life every night.

IF JEDO IS SCUMBLUFFING AND THERE IS A REAL ENDER OUT THERE IN THE GAME, DO NOT CLAIM AT THIS TIME PLEASE.

That being said, we have a pretty good chance that Jedo is scumbluffing. I see no benefit to us moving on to another player for a claim and a flip when we've already outted what might be a VT, especially considering the proximity of the deadline. Jedo serves no use to us as an outted VT because it would be a waste of any power role's time to target him and he is too much of a question mark as far as his alignment goes if/when he does not get nightkilled. I hope you're lying Jedo, because I hate lynching townies. Even if they're useless.

unvote, vote Jedo

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The number of theme games based on a book with an Übermensch main character who is vanilla: small
The number of theme games based on a book with an Übermensch main character who is a power role: large

I'm no ruling it out, which if you had read my post you would know, I'm just saying that in either scenario lynching the claimed VT is the correct move. Which you would also know if you had read my post. And were town.

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Zang,
your play right now is reminding me REALLY strongly of Brotherhood of the Wolf, where you were also scum.

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It isn't him claiming VT but him claiming ender and I doubt that Ender would be a mafia fake claim.

scum-Jedo probably understands that he's going to get lynched soon, so he's claiming what would presumably be the most power town role in an attempt to out the real Ender before he dies so his scumbudz can either tie up a potential doc/JK protecting ender for the rest of the game so they can more easily pick off town PRs or just make an attempt on Ender's life every night.

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PEDIT: IS, what is the name of your faction? NOBODY ELSE ANSWER THIS

I'm not sure this is allowed to be asked/answered...
that being said, information in my role PM makes it obvious that Ender is town.

This needs to be said for posterity. That has like a 60% chance of being a scumslip.

Zang, IS and another player as scum. Saying it now.

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IS, DONT YOU FUCKING DARE AVOID THAT QUESTION
UT, that's why I asked the question. I want faction name nao just to make sure.

I don't think you understand how good IS is at talking his way out of anything.

I have seen that man talk his way out of getting lynched when he had been confirmed as scum. Just saying. We're playing with fire by letting him talk.

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and Jedo, if you had read what the fucking wrote, you would know that I think it is probably correct play to lynch you regardless

jesus tapdancing christ are you people illiterate or do you just not like actually reading the game?

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WELL WHY DON'T WE JUST REVEAL ALL OF THE POWER ROLES ON DAY ONE IN ADDITION TO HELPING SCUM MAKE MORE CREDIBLE FAKE CLAIMS, HOW DOES THAT SOUND

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claiming when you have some votes on you shouldn't be a fucking reflex

especially if you're a goddamn cop

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who was going to hammer you?

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I don't think you know exactly what WIFOM means. also any analysis I make today is going to be based on knowing absolutely nothing but my own role and trying to figure out what your claim could mean. Maybe the logic isn't as fleshed out and substantial as it could be, but it's a day one day start. We have nothing to go on.

I find it more likely that Ender would be power than vanilla and I find it more likely that you're scum than that Ender is vanilla, so I'm wary of your claim. That's not WIFOM at all. That's just probability.

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Saying that "Ender would be more likely to be a power than vanilla" is WIFOM. It's the definition of WIFOM. You have no Idea what the mod choose for the roles in this game and it is WIFOM to assume that you do.

No.

WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

Don't correct people if you're wrong.

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no krew, let's let the scum nitpick a reasonable day one argument to waste our time instead of making any proactive steps towards a lynch. it'll just make it easier for us to catch them later.

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Yawn. If someone isn't calling you scum, you're not doing it right.

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Wake me when you're done jerking each other off

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UT list of reads?

Zang, IS and another player as scum. Saying it now.

Zang, IS and Jedo as scum

everyone else is either town or null. But it's day 1, so my reads aren't based on much more than gut.

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Oh man

where the fuck is PBuG?

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my apologies to the mods, but here is the current VC

Votecount 1.79

GhostWriter (1) - Internet Stranger
SleepyKrew (5)- GhostWriter, Jedo the Jedi, Voidedmafia, smallpeoples343, Zang
LordChronos (0) -
Jedo the Jedi (5) - PBuG, Cyberbob, Thestatusquo, Untrod Tripod, SleepyKrew
PBuG (0) -
Voidedmafia (0) -
Zang (1) - Bogre
Bogre (0) -
smallpeoples343 (0) -
Internet Stranger (0) -
Cyberbob (0) -
Untrod Tripod (0) -
thestatusquo (0) -

Not Voting (0) -

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-07-21 23:00:00)

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OH HAI BOGRE WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN

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I hope to god that I was the mafia kill.

Bah.

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I'm really upset that I only got D1 in this game because my D1 reads were shit.

go town

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give us the fecking scum QT already