Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[ReaperCharlie]

RHINOX/NACHO SCUM TEAM.

COUNT IT.

[ReaperCharlie]

SERIOUSLY. LOL

WORST VOTE I HAVE EVER SEEN.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sigh. No, I'm saying that because he specifically said this before:

Ok works for me

shun nacho

RC said so.

But now since it's obv that nobody cares about the game, he's going for the easy win.

I just lost two games because of stupid town and this one will NOT be a third.

RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE

[ReaperCharlie]

You're only saying that because he's voting you.

Also, I'm saying that because he fake-voted Nacho, saying it was supposed to be a real vote, and then when I provided a case against Nacho AND him being scum together, suddenly his vote is now against me. But HE ONLY VOTE ME BECAUSE NS ALSO VOTED ME (which I can understand, given NS has been suspecting me all game), because apparently he (Rhinox) is under the delusion that I might actually be lynched today, which is laughable at best and horribly pathetic at worst.

Seriously. Who the @#$^@# fake-votes someone with broken tags, and then doesn't fix it to vote for who they want to vote for, immediately?

And then who decides that instead of fixing their fake-vote, they're going to backtrack with horrible reasoning (oh btw he's not lurking anymore!), in the face of an awesome case against the person they fake-voted, just to chainsaw attack the case-maker?

It's Literally. The. Worst. Vote. Ever.

Also, see here:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3146490

LOLscum

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Nobody Special:

What are the reasons you are voting me?
What are the reasons you are NOT voting Nacho?

(I won't bother asking Rhinox/Nacho, for obv reasons)

[ReaperCharlie]

...

[ReaperCharlie]

But I'll take it.

[ReaperCharlie]

^ LOL

Best post of the game, right there.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ mod:

---

Stefunny

- 1 day 23 hours ago, wrote:

Prod received, haven't logged on in a few days, heading out to a going away party now, but I will post when I get home.

Before that, her last post was

OVER A WEEK BEFORE.

This slot needs to be replaced. Take a hint.

---

Pulindar

- 4 days 5 hours ago, wrote NOTHING about being V/LA.

There should have been a normal

prod > prod > replace

progression by this time.

Especially since Pulindar's slot HAS been gone on V/LA for half the game already.

---

Just sayin.

This game is desperately in need of some replacements/activity.

And it shouldn't be

my

job to have to whip it up out of thin air.

[ReaperCharlie]

wait how exactly am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

It either means:

1. all of the scum are on my wagon and CAN'T hammer even if they wanted to, or

2. the scum not on my wagon are either *gone*, or looking to get town cred by

not

hammering...

(i.e. so that you could use

exactly

this argument that I'm scum)

(because you can't

disprove

the argument that Nacho and you are scum)

(in other words, you FFAAAAIIILLL at trying to deflect attention from you/Nacho)

(HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW)

[ReaperCharlie]

I have no idea what you're on about, so have a

cookie

pancake:

It was another picture before.

I leeched it, and so they punished me. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

1: thoughts on Me/Nacho/NS scumteam likliness then?

Low. NS is probtown due to... certain things.

2a: possible - thoughts on charlie being confirmed town then given that up until today he has been your #1 scum pick and didn't hammer when you were at L-1?

Charlie has been the only other person with a decent amount of common sense today.
Hence, my read of him changed.

2b: is retarded, considering assuming a scum team of 3, a town lynch is game over, there is no need to build town cred or set up this exact argument.

SO IF WE'RE AT

MYLO

RIGHT NOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT NACHO????

OH YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY.

[ReaperCharlie]

Pulindar told me via PM that he was V/LA. and if anyone wants to replace out they should shoot me a pm.

Why don't YOU shoot THEM a pm, telling them that since they are delaying your game horribly, that they should either post, or you're going to FORCIBLY replace them out, and put people in the game who are actually going to CONTRIBUTE?

That'd be

fantastic!

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks. <3

Sorry to be such a stickler.

[ReaperCharlie]

SO IF WE'RE AT MYLO RIGHT NOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT NACHO????

OH YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY.

I'm not ignoring your points about nacho, but everytime I ask you about them, you just reiterate that I'm scum with nacho, and I'm not going to give a lot of thought to a case that involves anyone being scum with me, because I'm not scum.

LOL.

So therefore in your mind, because you say you're town, that means Nacho is immediately town too?

HAHA. I'll take my chances, THANKYOUVERYMUCH.

And its more likely LyLo, not MyLo

/in b4 rhinox suggests no-lynching again

and thats irrelevant to why I

would or would not be

AM BLATANTLY

ignoring your points about nacho. Knowing that I'm town, if you're also town, then both stef and pulindar ARE scum 100% in addition to 1 of either nacho or NS.

Well guess what. Stef and Pulindar are lurky mclurkersons. The fact that they're not modkilled or replaced yet makes me HEAVILY lean that they might be third-party scum of some kind, and mods are usually less likely to replace them. But I'd also HEAVILY lean towards that 3p scum being Stef as opposed to Pulindar.

I'm not going to vote for a maybe-scum at this point over a for-sure-scum. At this point, my vote has to be either for stef or pulindar if I think you're town, or you if I think you're scum.

So you're saying Nacho is only maybe-scum, according to this?

if you're also town, then both stef and pulindar ARE scum 100% in addition to 1 of

either nacho or NS

.

Well then WHY ARE YOU HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME SAYING

VOTE: NACHO

IF YOU THINK HE'S MAYBE-SCUM. ITS PLAIN AS DAY THAT I'M TOWN, AND IF YOU WERE TOWN THEN YOU'D BE VOTING NACHO BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO NO LYNCH AGAIN, AND BECAUSE STEFUNNY AND PULINDAR AREN'T GONNA GET LYNCHED TODAY. SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH.

NOW, IF WE WERE AT MYLO AND YOU HAD STRONG CONVICTIONS THEN IT, WOULD *MAKE SENSE* FOR YOU TO RESIST. BUT YOU JUST SAID ITS *LYLO* (which basically means you have inside info about the scum team size(s), ha ha ha lolscum) AND *NOT* MYLO, SO THEREFORE IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE FOR YOU TO RESIST HITTING SCUM OF ANY KIND.

ERGO YOU ARE SCUM WITH NACHO AND YOU ARE REFUSING TO BUS HIM BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN BY ENDGAME OR BY WHATEVER OTHER DEVILRY YOU HAVE UP YOUR SLEEVE.

TELL ME I AM WRONG. TELL ME.

[ReaperCharlie]

(also, tell me WHY i am wrong)

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok Rhinox, listen. Because I'm only gonna say this once.

Fact:

Nacho hopped off Rhinox wagon at the last second yesterday, causing a no-lynch.

Opinion:

Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.
Nacho: Hey, Hiraki left the wagon to follow me, and he was town. Therefore I am town.
Rhinox: If Nacho would have lynched me, we'd have blown MYLO. Because I am town.

____________________________________

Here's my first problem with that, Rhinox.

1. Nacho has said absolutely nothing about hopping off your wagon yesterday in order to strategically no-lynch so that we wouldn't blow MYLO. That was entirely your fabrication. So basically: "Hey, if scum teams are X size (assumption), then this certain (scummy) thing that this (scummy) guy did, would actually be pro-town (except he hasn't mentioned it yet, but I'm sure he will now). Get it?" ..... Uh uh. Not flying.

And my second problem with that is:

2. If you notice, out of all three of our opinions above, only ONE of them is NOT predicated on "hey this proves I am town" or "hey, this logic makes sense if I am town, which believe me, I am". First, you can't expect us to believe you, given the circumstances. You are high-class OBVscum at this point. Second, scum don't have to defend themselves, all they have to do is scumhunt. Scum focuses on their *own* innocence in other people's eyes, because that's the only tool they can use to make it to endgame. Whereas *town* scumhunts and doesn't worry about how innocent they may or may not look, because they *know* they're town and don't have to prove it to themselves along with others.

*That's* where you've gone wrong. The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

And the fact that both of you guys (Nacho/Rhinox) keep trying to say again and again that you are *town*, and are defending each other to the hilt, erroneously and unsolicitedly, gives me THAT fishy feeling in my tummy. You know the one. The fishy feeling of scumbuddies.

I haven't gotten that fishy feeling from Pulindar. I haven't gotten that feeling from Nobody Special. They both seem pretty straightforward, and though I'd like to see Pulindar replaced (

@mod:

preferably

immediately

), Nobody Special appears like he can listen to reason and even put aside his (albeit well-earned) suspicion of me in order to sheep my

common sense

instead of following scum off a cliff like an idiot.

As for Charlie and Stef, I got the fishy feeling from them earlier on, but Charlie has proven himself today in a way that I can't really look badly upon, and Stefunny is in the same boat as Pulindar, except

she

hasn't posted for about 10 days, versus Pul's "mere" 5 days.

____________________________________

I could ramble on and try to convince you that you're scum with Nacho all I want, but it's not going to work. So just vote for Nacho, he'll flip scum, night will happen, and then we'll lynch you.

People I will NOT lynch:

-Nobody Special (very much doubt he's scum)
-Pulindar (if he's scum, he's third-party (sk?) if anything)
-Charlie (I've reversed my read on him, I think he's town now)

____________________________________

Another thing you seem loath to discuss is the fact that there were three deaths last night. i.e. at LEAST two kills, with one of them causing another lover to suicide. So what do you think it is? A vigilante? A serial killer? Two scum groups of two? I admit, I am heavily leaning towards the last option at this point, because for the life of me, I cannot connect a third buddy to you and Nacho.

How come you haven't mentioned this, either?

Still scum: Nacho, Rhinox

[ReaperCharlie]

NS is town due to voting one of me and you in RC's mind. He'd be terrified to call someone on his side scum, after all.

My point about Hiraki is that RC's tell is not the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE he preesents it as. It is also the only reason he has presented against me being scum, despite his incredible confidence of me being scum.

Again, more focusing on discounting the case against himself than he is on finding scum and lynching them.

lolscum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Opinion:
Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.
Nacho: Hey, Hiraki left the wagon to follow me, and he was town. Therefore I am town.
Rhinox: If Nacho would have lynched me, we'd have blown MYLO. Because I am town.

You're off-track on all 3 of these.

How can you hold your opinion true since Hiraki jumped off the same wagon and wasn't scum?

A sophisticated combination of having played with Nacho before, gut, common sense, and the obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Nacho is not arguing he's town, he's arguing your scum-tell is not valid.

Same difference.

Regardless of the situation yesterday, I have a big problem using the fact the nacho caused a no-lynch instead of mislynch as a scum-tell.

Let me ask you this: what makes nacho jumping off my wagon yesterday scummy?

FACE.

PALM.

No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for town. All it does is inject WIFOM, and we get no info from flips.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for scum, if the lynch would otherwise be a townie.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% DESIRABLE for scum, if a mislynch cannot be had, and a scumbuddy would otherwise die.

ERGO.

NACHO IS SCUM.

YOU ARE HIS BUDDY.

The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

I haven't gone after lurkers. To be going after lurkers I'd have to be trying to get someone lynched specifically because they're lurking. THAT'S the tell. Just because I've identified someone who has to be scum (if some other conditions are met) and they happen to be lurking/inactive doesn't mean I'm committing the "going after lurkers" tell. If you refuse to see the difference, you're either scum, or an idiot.

......

SAME DIFFERENCE.

Also, town uses self-knowledge all the time. In what world is that a scum tell? I recently singlehandedly lost a game for town because I was in a lylo situation with 2 scum alive and didn't realize that a certain string of events that happened proved that another player was scum with 100% certainty from my POV. I got chastised pretty hard post game by other town players for not realizing that. So again, now you're either scum making up tells, or an idiot.

Again with the "scum or idiot" ultimatum. lol

What I'm SAYING, is that there's no possible way that YOU are gonna convince ME that you're town, and by extension there's no possible way that YOU can convince ME that Stefunny and Pulindar are scum.

Maybe it is only happy coincidence that the two people you're 100% sure are scum are also the two people that are 100% lurking. I don't know. But it seems pretty darn convenient to go after them solely on the basis of something involving their (supposedly feigned) absence, when it's obvious that they're *actually* gone.

Another thing you seem loath to discuss is the fact that there were three deaths last night. i.e. at LEAST two kills, with one of them causing another lover to suicide. So what do you think it is? A vigilante? A serial killer? Two scum groups of two? I admit, I am heavily leaning towards the last option at this point, because for the life of me, I cannot connect a third buddy to you and Nacho.

How come you haven't mentioned this, either?

2 scum groups of 2 isn't likely IMO because there have not been cross kills.

Well wouldn't this also then rule out 3 scum + 1 SK? herp derp

There was also only 1 kill N1. That rules out an SK as well.

Why? Ever heard of a doctor or roleblocker? herp derp

Also, no lynches and game lethargy don't happen when there are 2 scum groups - each scum group wants to get the other lynched. I had originally assumed that krypt was the scumkill and a 1-shot vig took out zod/hiraki.

Legitimate point, but the other two stand as well.

Regardless, 3 scum makes today lylo, and the other options (2+2, 3+1) means we're pretty much screwed even if we lynch scum today without some crosskill magic helping us out, so yeah. We should probably have massclaimed by now today actually.

We're pretty screwed regardless of if we lynch scum today, unless crosskills help us out, but there's only one scum faction?

*SHOOTS SELF IN HEAD, THEN TURNS GUN ON RHINOX*

You are making less sense than [insert clever simile about not making sense here].

[ReaperCharlie]

@mod: Any word from Pulindar/Stefunny?

Replacements BEFORE deadline would be tech.

[ReaperCharlie]

*skims wall*

Yep. Nothing you haven't said yet.

--

Vote for Nacho.

Or yourself.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um... thanks for coming back and being pretty much completely useless.

Chances of Nacho being town after what he pulled when unvoting Rhinox on Day one... 09%.
Chances of Rhinox being town given what Nacho pulled and what he himself has said... 06%.
Chances of Stefunny being scum that's lurking this blatantly (and mod won't replace)... 02%.

Chances of any of us agreeing on a lynch wagon that's neither Nacho, Rhinox, or me... 00%.

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[ReaperCharlie]

I was re-reading, annnd... Rhinox, read this post by your scumbuddy Nacho.

In it, he's criticizing ME for clearing MYSELF for the same thing that you're clearing YOURSELF for.

If he's town and I'm scum (trying to whiteknight or w/e Nacho said), WHAT'S THE POINT?

I could have gotten an easy mislynch by just switching my vote.

Now what I have is a bunch of people saying I'm trying to protect Zod when it's really just that he's obvtown.

If I was scum, I would have hammered.

Trust me.

You expect us to trust you about your own scum meta?
HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHEAHEEAHEAHEHAEAHE

herp-a-derp... looks like I won't be trusting YOU any time soon.

[ReaperCharlie]

You say that I am scum for jumping off the Rhinox wagon and causing a no lynch. And yet, if I didn't and Rhinox was town, it would be GAME OVER at this point.

HAHAHAHA. Nice last-ditch attempt at trying to make your BIG MISTAKE appear pro-town, by hook or by crook. Rhinox already tried it, and it didn't work for him either, so what makes you think it'd work for you?

Shall I explain?

I think we all know that you didn't jump off Rhinox's wagon to purposefully cause a no-lynch, thereby saving us from untimely death by endgame.

But it's funny that you're insinuating that that's why you did it. Especially in light of you re-voting Rhinox just after the deadline. If you were town, and that had been your motivation (to achieve no-lynch), then you wouldn't have done that.

It's pretty clear that you voted him so that it'd show up in your ISO, then unvoted him so that nobody else could hammer (with NO reasoning, btw), tried your best to steer action away from Rhinox's wagon, and then

after

the no-lynch occurred, you voted him again, to try to make it look like you would have been on the lynch if you could.

HA HA HA. Not buying it.

Seriously. You're obv scum. Don't even try to convince me otherwise.

If Rhinox was scum, then it would still be MyLo. Meaning that if I were scum intentionally causing a no-lynch, I would have absolutely no motive because it would have left us in a completely identical situation to what we are in now, except I'd look a hell of a lot better for getting Rhinox lynched, and I would only have to protect myself and the mythical third as opposed to both of us.

You're saying that as scum you would have lynched Rhinox yesterday, so that you wouldn't have to protect him today?

LOL

You're saying that you'd rather bus your scumbuddy until he's lynched, cheating yourself OUT of endgaming, than not?

LOL

The reason for jumping off the Rhinox wagon, which I'm sure you also won't understand, is because of the hammer gambit. When I popped in and voted, I made it seem like I was hammering Rhinox, and Hiraki and I had an exchange about the hammer. You dropped in and went "I am suspicious of Nacho's entrance into the game..." without correcting either of us

on the hammer.

There

was

no hammer. I never even implied that I

thought

it was a hammer. So don't go there.

In fact,

nobody

mentioned a hammer except you and Zodiark. I know this as a fact, because I just went back and checked.

So that blows

that

part of your case out of the water, too. Now, onto the last part.

You didn't comment at all on Rhinox, which suggests you thought that he was lynched.

I hadn't commented on Rhinox for at least two days prior to that, when I voted for him, here:

Rhinox is my #2 and nobody else is getting shun-happy on Charlie, so I'll just

Shun: Rhinox

as well, and be done with it. I have other games I have to devote time to as well.

You're clearly fabricating this out of your ass at this point, but I'll continue.

When it was apparent I didn't hammer

I never thought you hammered, as I mentioned before. There was no reason to think you hammered, either. You didn't say "Hey, here's the hammer guys" or anything. So you are telling me that you

assume

that I

assumed

it was a hammer, even though you never said anything to make me think that, and I never said anything to make you

think

I thought that? ..... got it.

This case is probably the best I've ever heard. Just throwing that out there.

you posted about Rhinox needing to get lynched; no followup comment on me, no nothing. This shows that you were trying to setup a me-lynch after a Rhinox townlynch, and is why Hiraki and I both switched to lynch you.

Oh, is that what it shows?

LOL

So.... first, I comment about

you

and not

Rhinox

, and THAT's what's scummy?
Then later, I comment about

Rhinox

and not

you

, and THAT's what's scummy?

Seriously, this is too funny. Is there a scummy for funniest post?

...cause you might have just won it.

[ReaperCharlie]

shun: reapercharlie

lol jk

unshun

No seriously though, at this point you've got to be town since you're basically the only 1 trying today (so far). At least 3/5ths of charlie, pul, nacho, stef, and NS have got to be scum. I'm somewhere between randomly choosing between those 5 for a 60% or greater chance of being correct, sheeping your choice, or you know, actually putting some effort in and trying to figure out who's scum on my own.

Hey Rhinox... LOL

[ReaperCharlie]

And Hey Nacho:

You are saying that it's fishy that I spoke about you and not Rhinox, when you came back and voted for Rhinox out of the blue (after days and days of silence). So I have to ask: After you come back from a May 28-June 4 absence (a

whole week

of not posting) just after somebody mentions your name, how is it fishy when I say: "

I am very about nacho's sudden entrance back into the thread when his name is mentioned.

"???

And that's not even

mentioning

that all of this took place after somebody else

already tried

a fake-hammer gambit on Rhinox, only a

page before

. To say that I, of all people, would fall for a fake-hammer gambit twice in a row, is INSULTING. Especially after how the first one came about, with a fake double-vote by... oh wait......

ME!

...the lulz at this point... they are epic. But I'll still go on.

And THAT'S not mentioning the fact that, there were three deaths last night, and none of them were you. If I were scum and you had "found me out" with your

clearly

brilliant-beyond-comprehension second-fake-hammer-gambit-of-the-day, wouldn't you expect me to kill you during the night so that you couldn't go around spreading your story? That's who I would have killed if I was scum: Somebody who suspected me.

Go ahead, tell me that's WIFOM. (see point #9).

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, if your strategy is just to saturate the thread with bullshit, it isn't going to work. You have provided a total of one point against me, and you won't even shut up for one second to make a real response to it?

Hey. Nacho. How are those above posts workin' for ya?

Those responses real enough for you?

[ReaperCharlie]

TL:DR) RC is confirmed scum from mine and nacho's POV, pul, stef, and charlie need to decide whether they think RC is scum or not - if they think RC is scum, he's the lynch obv, if they think RC is town, then me and nacho BOTH have to be scum.

This is pretty much all you needed to write.

It's obvious that I've nailed you two as a scum team (and your third buddy is probably Stef), and now you're trying to get me lynched instead of Nacho, since you know I'm gonna be protected by the doc tonight when Nacho flips scum.

Then after Nacho flips scum, tomorrow we lynch you.

Profit.

[ReaperCharlie]

^agreed.

Hey, people. I will give you all donuts and/or cookies if you vote for Nacho now.

I will literally mail them to your houses.

[ReaperCharlie]

This is f*ck-tarded.

Nacho is obvscum.

Rhinox is obvscum.


I feel like the only person with any common sense in this game!

And that makes me very sad indeed.

[ReaperCharlie]

You were at L-1. If you are town, charlie is town for not hammering. I know that me, nacho, and ns, are not the scum team, because I'm town. I know that nacho and ns can not be scum together if you're town, because there's no way NS unvotes a townie at L-1 when there is a scum not on the wagon who can hammer for the scum win.

Therefore, if RC is town, the scum HAVE to be stef (100%), pulindar (100%), and 1 of either nacho or NS.

FROM MY POV, BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE OF MY ROLE, WHICH IS NOT INVALID FOR ME TO ACT ON. THE POSITION I AM IN, IT IS NOT OPTIMAL TO VOTE FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN STEF OR PULINDAR IF I THINK RC IS TOWN, OR RC IF I THINK RC IS SCUM.

So, Pulindar just flipped a Nacho wagon onto Stefunny. WHERE IS YOUR THEORY NOW???


@ everyone else:

Unless this is an epic bus, it's PRETTY DAM# CLEAR that there are opportunistic scum on the Stef-wagon.

Rhinox's Stef-Pul theory just evaporated into THIN AIR, and my Rhinox-Nacho theory is still 100% viable.

[ReaperCharlie]

unshun: shun stef

based on pulindar's last post. that should be 3 votes on stef or L-1.

OH LOOK.

This post is terrible for hundreds (possibly thousands) of reasons.

Let us count the ways.

1. Puts flash-wagon at L-1. This is TERRIBLE. YOU NEVER PUT A FLASH WAGON AT L-1, WHERE "OOPSHERPADERPSRYLOL"-SCUM CAN HAMMER.
2. Shuns Stefunny "BASED ON PULINDAR'S LAST POST". What happened to YOUR OWN reasoning? Clearly scum trying to pin this mislynch on somebody else if/when Stefunny flips town. One of the hallmarks of scum vote-switching.
3. Eagerly supports a deadline swing off his scumbuddy (JUST LIKE HIS SCUMBUDDY DID OFF HIM YESTERDAY. THE IRONY IS KILLING ME).
4. Announces it's L-1 in an obvious attempt to appear pro-town (just like saying "nobody hammer! k? I'm only doing this for pressure!")
5. I could go on, but this is plenty...

Unshun; Shun: Rhinox

Kill it (preferably with spontaneous combustion)!

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: Rhinox

, obv.

The fact that we are in 5-man endgame means a 2-man scum team for sure, and that only backs up what I've suspected all along. Rhinox and Nacho are it. It's also pretty obvious that Rhinox is going to backtrack on what he said yesterday, that Stef/Pulindar are scum, and say now that since Stef was SK, that Pul/ME or Pul/Charlie are scum, because obv he's not going to help lynch his scumbuddy.


Also, I received some "Fudge Brownies Covered in Sprinkles" last night, which grant me the power to do something awesome. I do not know who sent them. But they are MMM MMM GOOD. As in, extremely delicious.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah except for the fact that NS just flipped town.

LOLscum

[ReaperCharlie]

Why Nacho, and not Rhinox?

I don't care either way, but what makes you so sure about Nacho?

[ReaperCharlie]

To be quite clear, I will vote for either of them.

I just want to know.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think he was gambiting to get Stef lynched because he was more sure about her.

That, OR, one of you two is scum with Pulindar (likely you), and you wanted to buddy up with Nacho by giving prob-fake results, AND diverting attention from you, AND getting rid of the SK that you thought/knew was in the setup based on two kills happening on some nights.

Either way, a vote on YOU is a vote towards EITHER scumteam (either you/Pul or you/Nacho).

So I am actually much happier voting you than voting Nacho at this point.

Especially given the fact that HE stuck his neck out for YOU on Day 1, and not the other way around.

[ReaperCharlie]

You know what. I am like 5 seconds away from believing you/Pul now, but I can't make myself skim over Nacho.

Not because of Pul's claim, but because of WHAT HE'S DONE.


But in the end it doesn't really matter, since

you are on both of the scumteams that I'm warring in my mind over

.

So Charlie, I swear, you better sheep me on this or I will hunt you down IRL. EVERYONE BETTER VOTE RHINOX.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why are you ruling out pul/nacho?

Because that would rule out YOU.

I want you 2 to both leave your votes where they are right now like good little scum until everyone posts

OK. I'm fine with leaving my vote on you.

[ReaperCharlie]

"(LOL)"

[ReaperCharlie]

and there it is. everyone posted and was online before charlie unvoted.

Pul, it HAS to be RC and charlie. Look at what just happened.

If it was me and RC, we would have hammered nacho hours ago for the win.
Could be you and nacho, but you're not hammering me right now, so thats out.
Its not me and you, we'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and RC, you'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and charlie, you'd be hammering me right now.

I suppose me/charlie is not logically eliminated yet. Thats the only hole in my logic, if you want to call it that. If you want answers to your questions I'll give them to you, but its not really necessary due to charlie and RC splitting their votes, and no scum 1-2 hammer coming in. Logically, there are only 2 possible scum pairings. Charlie is scum either way. RC is the other.

Yeah, except, the HUGE problem is that *Charlie* knows *HE'S* not scum, and *I* know *I'm* not scum.

And now you're completely going back on what you said yesterday, when you said:

Logic puzzle

[from Rhinox's POV]

:
a) I am town
b)

Charlie is town

via not hammering
c) NS is not scum with nacho due to NS unvoting RC to vote nacho rather than waiting for a scum partner to log on and hammer RC
at this point, in order for RC to be town, scum team needs to be stef, pul, and 1 of either NS or nacho
d) Puindar is (probably) not scum with stef due to voting stef just now rather than waiting for stef or a replacement to come around for a 1-2 scum quickhammering on RC

I encourage others to look at the situation logically from their own POV.

For example,

from pul's POV:

a)pul knows he is town.

b)pul knows charlie is town for not hammering RC

at this point, rhinox, nacho, and NS are still voting RC
c)NS unvotes RC to vote nacho - either Rhinox/nacho/NS are the scum team and NS unvoted so as to not be obvious, or Nacho is scum and NS is town, making stef the 3rd scum.

work out the logics,

stef's POV will look very similar to puls

.

charlies POV: [duh]

if RC is town, possible scum teams are {Me, nacho, ns}, or {Me, nacho, stef/pul} - again, either Rhinox and nacho, or RC are scum.

Nacho's POV:

he's town,

charlie is town

. Possible scum: rhinox, ns, stef, pul
then ns unvotes RC from L-1. If NS and Rhinox are scum, that means either stef or pul have to be scum and NS unvoting takes away the opportunity for one of them to hammer for the win. That means, NS is not scum from nacho's POV.
At this point, if RC is town, only possible scum team is {Rhinox, stef, pulindar}
Pulindar just voted stef, he's probably not scum with stef.
That means from nacho's POV, RC is confirmed scum because there are no probable scum teams of 3 left. Nacho should be voting RC, and he is.

NS's POV:

he's town,

charlie is town

.
Possible scums: Rhinox, nacho, stef, pul
Can't really get it down more than that. If RC is town, then 3 out of the 4 of us are scum.

RC's POV:

He's town,

charlies town.

Possible scum groups once you work out NS's unvote are {rhinox, nacho, NS} or 3 of {rhinox, nacho, stef, pulindar}

Bolded is mine.

You done got your story

straight

CROOKED.

Maybe you shouldn't have proved Charlie as town to EVERYONE yesterday.

Game is up.

[ReaperCharlie]

And here are some other gems from your ISO:

Why does umbrage nk point to me being scum, but not Hiraki or RC?

You killed Umbrage BECAUSE HE THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM.

Something is up with Rhinox. I can't put my finger on it, but his posts really bug my scumdar. He's more concerned with how he looks than finding scum.

Also:

I WAS TRACKED NIGHT 1 AND I WENT NOWHERE

(well duh, by nature of who I AM, I can't "go" anywhere) [/softclaim].

ANYWAY, I COULD NOT HAVE KILLED HIM, DUH.

What I really want to know is what the deal was with nacho switching from me to RC yesterday. What was the catch the made you think RC was scum / or / made you think I was town?

PRETEND LIKE YOU HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. NICE

Do you or do you not believe that Charlie is scum, Rhinox/NS?

If so, then throw a vote down. If not, then WHY NOT?!?!?

I've been saying all game that I don't think charlie is scum. And most of it is meta reasons - his play just feels the same as the last time I remember playing with him. Though I admit at this stage of the game meta is becoming a weaker and weaker reason.

Reluctant to vote Charlie. Even though I pushed him all Day 1 and most of Day 2 (if not all), IIRC.

NOBODY WOULD HELP ME

LYNCH

HIM, REMEMBER

THAT

?!?!

No seriously though, at this point you've got to be town since you're basically the only 1 trying today (so far). At least 3/5ths of charlie, pul, nacho, stef, and NS have got to be scum. I'm somewhere between randomly choosing between those 5 for a 60% or greater chance of being correct, sheeping your choice, or you know, actually putting some effort in and trying to figure out who's scum on my own.

HERP DERP MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'TA PUT THAT ON PAPER

BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE JUST BACKTRACKING. AND ITS SCUUUUUUM-TASTIC.



And then we can look at other people's ISOs. Which is probably why you killed THEM (also, because they had little to no chance of being lynched):

Just throwing this out there: in my experience, the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game is usually scum.

So do you think the scum could be nacho, stef, and pulindar then?

I don't see either me OR Charlie on that list? Duh, cause we aren't scum, and weren't convenient for you to call scum at that point.

Or what do you mean by "the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game"?

AND GUESS WHO DIED LAST NIGHT.

NOBODY SPECIAL.

THE PERSON WHO CALLED YOU SCUM.

wait how am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

It either means:

1. all of the scum are on my wagon and CAN'T hammer even if they wanted to, or
2a) the scum not on my wagon are either *gone*, or

2b) are looking to get town cred by

not

hammering...

(i.e. so that you could use

exactly

this argument that I'm scum)

2b: is retarded

, considering assuming a scum team of 3, a town lynch is game over,

there is no need to build town cred

or set up this exact argument.

Talk about reoccurring nightmares.

You are once again, trying to prove via "X isn't hammering" that "X is not scum".

THIS IS YOUR ONLY METHOD OF SCUMHUNTING, AND ITS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

Also, I like that you call 2b retarded.

BECAUSE YOU

KNEW

THAT SCUM

WOULD

HAVE TO TRY TO BUILD UP TOWN CRED FOR TODAY, WHEN

NOBODY ELSE KNEW

.

DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT

DEFLECT!

SCUM

SCUM

DIE.

[ReaperCharlie]

HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY ACTUAL POINTS.


And yes Charlie. I know what it does.

Also:

Night 1 Charlie tracked me, and

I went nowhere

(because as I mentioned before, I can't. lol).
Night 2 Charlie tracked Nacho (claimed Jailkeeper, suspected Roleblocker) to me.

Three kills

still happened.
Night 3 is anyone's guess, but Nobody Special suspected RHINOX and not me. If I was scum, there were much better people to kill than NS. Say, perhaps, someone who suspected ME. (i.e. not NS). Therefore,

it's Rhinox who's scum.

Also, this leaves only 2 people without claimed actions.

Rhinox and me.

I am Candy Mountain, 1-shot Bulletproof (with a frickin'

nifty

theme song! )

I assume that's why there was only 1 kill on Night 1, because somebody who I was onto tried to kill me off. I am surprised I didn't die on subsequent nights, but that might have something to do with the supposed killer deciding that I might be bulletproof (or protected again, if there's a doc, cause how would they know), and choosing to kill off someone else on N2 (i.e. the Lovers).

And now:

Cue: Rhinox claiming doc. Only thing left to claim that fits in with all of us.

[ReaperCharlie]

I want a massclaim. Please?

Done and done.

Rhinox's turn. This'll be rich.

[ReaperCharlie]

"Reaper" I would assume was a vig, but it's pretty clear that Hayl named the role that so she could flip:

REAPER - CHARLIE THE UNICORN

To which I respond:

N

N

E

E

E

E

I

I

I

I

G

G

H

H

H

H

!

!

!

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, VT is probably the most convenient POSSIBLE claim from scum, because that way they don't have to prove anything they did.

If only you'd have tracked Rhinox instead to see him visit (and kill) people.

[ReaperCharlie]

Anyway, back to what Charlie was saying:

1 claimed tracker
1 claimed jailkeeper
1 claimed one-shot bulletproof
1 claimed one-shot conditional cop
1 claimed VT

Likely NOT scum roles are:

1s BP (who gives scum BP in a mini?)
1s Cop (mafia don't need cops)
Jailkeeper (unless he's lying and it's a roleblocker)
Tracker (this is not multi-scum, so it's useless to scum)

Likely SCUM roles are:

Roleblocker (if the claimed Jailkeeper is lying)
VT (best possible scum claim in endgame)


Which, again, points to Nacho/Rhinox.


p-edit: ya I had a brain fart.

[ReaperCharlie]

ya i was like "i highly doubt a vt is in the game, what with stuff like "candy vendor" and "reaper", and then i hit send half-cocked

and then like 1 second later i was like "wait a sec, tans flipped vt right?" so i checked the op and indeed, he did. we probably checked at the same time and i was just quicker on the draw. anyway, feel free to laugh at my ineptitude regardless.

nothing of value (or intelligence) was lost. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Keeping an open mind, scum BP makes sense in an effort to protect them from SK.

Anyway, what's up with deleting posts? If you have that sort of power, please don't abuse it

That does kinda make sense with only 2 scum...

I see what you mean.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, it's been fun, but I'm sick of this game.

Me: Will only vote for Nacho or Rhinox.
Rhinox: Will only vote for RC or Charlie.
Pulindar: Will not vote for Nacho.
Charlie: Seems to be undecided.
Nacho: Has said nothing about who he will or won't lynch. Is lurking and trying to ride his claim. Probably won't vote for Rhinox.

At this point, the scum teams are possibly:

Nacho/Rhinox
Pulindar/Rhinox

Pulindar/Nacho

I don't take Pul/Nacho seriously because the only time I've ever seen scum claim cop and clear their buddy was when I DID IT, in Harry Potter Mafia, and that slot was able to ride my coattails until endgame based on that claim, even though they were under very heavy suspicion before. With the amount of discussion on HP mafia earlier between me and NS, I sincerely doubt that Pul as scum would copy that. I think it's much more likely that Pul would be scum with Rhinox and buddying Nacho to get Nacho's vote during MyLo (now) because Nacho seemed unwilling to lynch Rhinox earlier.

Therefore the only two scum teams left that have even A PRAYER of existing are Nacho/Rhinox (which I have been shouting from the mountaintops for DAYS, and nobody has listened), and Rhinox/Pulindar (like I mentioned in the paragraph above).

THATS ALL THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND RHINOX IS IN BOTH OF THEM.

It's open and shut.

We lynch Rhinox today, he flips scum, then tonight we force Nacho to roleblock/jailkeep Pulindar, and then if somebody dies, we know Pulindar's not scum. Which means it'd have to be Nacho.

ERGO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO VOTE ANYONE BUT RHINOX.

PUL. IF YOU'RE TOWN, VOTE RHINOX
NACHO. IF YOU'RE TOWN, VOTE RHINOX
CHARLIE, VOTE RHINOX

[ReaperCharlie]

Prologue

At work
Waiting for haylen to get back to me
Not 100% sure I'm sane but I think
Have seen tracker scum: helps find sk and town prs.

No, it

doesn't

make sense.

Scum-trackers only exist in multi-scum games (multiple

teams

) and this is not one.

What's the use of finding a PR when almost everyone's a PR? This is a MINI GAME.

Therefore the tracker claim is 99.99999% town.

[ReaperCharlie]

Good points there, but do you agree with me that it is either Rhinox/Nacho, or Rhinox/Pul?

If so, why no vote on Rhinox, and if not, why not?

To me it has been open and shut since Day 2...
I am rarely wrong about early reads on people.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait no. I didn't read your post well enough at the part where you said Rhinox is clear.

NO, RHINOX IS NOT CLEAR.

[ReaperCharlie]

THE

REASON

YOU CLAIM VT IS BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING AND YOU CAN JUST SKATE BY.

THAT IS

WHY

I DONT BELIEVE HIS CLAIM

[ReaperCharlie]

omfg if we lose this game because of people overthinking obvious facts that I've been screaming since day 2.

I am gonna be so pissed.

[ReaperCharlie]

Is this the, "the louder you type, the more correct and awesomer you are" strategy?

YES.

RC, don't worry and just keep as cool as a cucumber... Wait I've used this analogy before didn't I?
Nvm, all I'm saying is "have patience".

WELL THAT DIDNT QUITE WORK ON DAY 1, 2, or 3, DID IT?!?!

NOBODY HAS LISTENED TO ME ALL GAME, AND WE HAVEN'T LYNCHED A SINGLE PERSON THAT I THOUGHT SHOULD BE LYNCHED.

THATS WHY WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THIS GAME.

THAT, AND THAT ALONE.

[ReaperCharlie]

REAPERCHARLIE SHOULD'VE BEEN LYNCHED DAY 2.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

TWO DEAD TOWN PLAYERS THAT HAD OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS AGREED ON RC BEING SCUM.

HE SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD LONG AGO.