Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[Voidedmafia]

I was going to go for NK with the boon I got from Last Will and such, and also get hitman to make sure it goes through. I haven't bid just yet because I want to make sure we know where we all are bidding.

I would prefer getting the NK as opposed to Newman, but I'd have no objections if he got it.

I also have no objections to lynching and/or NK-in Omega, Peregrine, or Newman, scratching Newman for the NK if we decide to give it to him.

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Bidding on Hitman right now.

Ethos: I'd still prefer to get FRC in our hands first.

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More to work with today, and should we not get scum, we'll still be 200 over them in money counts.

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Hiphop: Oh, right. Keep forgetting about that.

Well, now to vote for my next-scummiest read now that Ice is gone.

Vote: Newman

And in light of that, I bid on NK.

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*greedy look in my eyes*

Give it to MEEEE!!

...*ahem*

ANYWAYS, do we even have a comprimise as to WHO we're going to lynch? Chaos, pere, and Newman seem to be the picks for today, but we haven't actually decided WHO is going to the lynch or the NK.

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No, I didn't get any cop ability from Ghostlin. Only $99, 2 Last Wills, and 2 Trackers.

I DID use a track last night, but Ice was my target, and he died, so...that was wasted.

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No, I didn't get any cop ability from Ghostlin. Only $99, 2 Last Wills, and 2 Trackers.

I DID use a track last night, but Ice was my target, and he died, so...that was wasted.

This makes no sense to me. It is a tad convenient too.

What happened to the cop ability then?

Ghostlin, at least, never got it.

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I started out with $100. Lost a buck in bidding for Last Will (bid for $29), then invested $99. The wage and efficiency bring me to $90 at D1's close.

Next day, failed $50 bid for Watcher (-$1). investment matures so I get 147. Successfully big $99 on Last Will, then we get my wage, efficiency, and Ghostlin's Last Will for $99 extra bucks and Tracker.

And today I got Grey's transfer, and then bid on Hitman, NK, and invested.

So to clarify, I didn't get Last Will from Ghost. Rather, the way the summary was worded made me assume that last Will came from Ghostlin (I know, I suck for not double-checking the transcript itself, I know).

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Correction: I didn't bid on Last Will, I just thought I did. It's actually the $99 from Ghostlin.

Dammit, I fail so hard at reading comprehension tonight.

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@Voided- Not really sure why you're suddenly a better choice for the NK than hiphop. He did fine with it last night. And to top it off, why would you need the hitman skill in addition to the NK. Those two abilities have a synergy that town doesn't need.

...What.

what.

......what?

As a matter of fact, until I hear a better explanation about why you want to have the ability to NK and bypass RB, BP and doc protection,

Vote: Voidedmafia

DA HELL?!

Dude, do you not understand how important it'd be to have both hitman and NK together? HELLOOOOOO!

Also Since post 674 and 675 confuse me even after I make your correction, can you re-post the totally corrected post of what and how much you bid on what days?

There's no need for that. Only correction is that I didn't bid FOR Last Will, but received money FROM an activated Last Will.

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@Voided- I explained why in my post to Ethos. Explain why you need NK instead of hiphop, and why you need to punch through town-controlled abilities when all countering abilites are either accounted for or would lead us to find scum.

Insurance.

Also, yes, that'd be correct. Though, I had $402 adding the Last Will, and I only invested $100, not al I had.

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Pere, GreyICe yells when he wants to make a point. Even if others disagree with said point.

You are just yelling for the sake of fucking yelling. Now stop, you're hurting my eyes and my metaphorical ears.

Will hammer once I receive notification I have the highest bid, whether it's after FRC or not. And when I have time to actually post the hammer, depending on when Magua PMs me and when I get up in the morning <_<.

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Also, I'll reveal my funds once I have the NK secured, if that's okay.

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He's at L-1, guys...unless Magua's total is wrong.

Anyways, it looks like whatever I was bidding toward NK got stolen, or something like that.

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And if I didn't, considering I bid $300, I won it all right.

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I'm just worried as to how exactly it works, is all. I didn't want to hammer quickly and then realize "Oh, crap, the stolen money means I'm not the highest bidder! *facepalm*"

Looking over all three events, I can see that the indicated money was never actually removed from the place it was stolen from (unless the robber just bid it right back), yet all 3 of them happened on the NK bid, since they all match the highest NK bid. *speciulating*

Vote: Peregrine

. If I don't get the NK, I am going to be SOO PISSED.

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A.) Why the HELL would I even WANT Gravedigger? I had the most important ability in this game (NK) coupled with the best support for it (Hitman), there was no need to ask for anything else.

Also, I was at $23 after $75 on Hitman, $300 on NK, and $100 invested, so I was in no position to outbid you.

B.) I am an Entrepreneur, same $100 starting money, same wage and efficiency, same "Can up a 2x ability" ability.

C.) Also, you still need to respond to Grey's post asking for more reasoning than "I was outbid on Gravedigger."

D.) MAL! I CHOOSE YOU!

E.) As an addendum to C, explain why it was me, please. Even if the answer is obvious.

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Also, F.) Even if we're not bidding yet, who's gonna go after what?

WHoever gets Cop ought to get Accountant as well, methinks. Or we could split it up for less chance of it getting RBed should that fall into the final scum's hand.

Not sure who the NK should go to just yet.

Force last scum to get Peace Treaty, then NK said person?

Someone who's the towniest town possible (Grey, Hip, etc.) needs to get RB.

I can get Wage Freeze.

Thoughts?

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Er...did you forget it as you posted? Or did you accidentally post before you typed it?

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And who's going next?

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A.) Why the HELL would I even WANT Gravedigger? I had the most important ability in this game (NK) coupled with the best support for it (Hitman), there was no need to ask for anything else.

Also, I was at $23 after $75 on Hitman, $300 on NK, and $100 invested, so I was in no position to outbid you.

C.) Also, you still need to respond to Grey's post asking for more reasoning than "I was outbid on Gravedigger."

E.) As an addendum to C, explain why it was me, please. Even if the answer is obvious.

LLD needs to answer this.

Also, F.) Even if we're not bidding yet, who's gonna go after what?

WHoever gets Cop ought to get Accountant as well, methinks. Or we could split it up for less chance of it getting RBed should that fall into the final scum's hand.

Not sure who the NK should go to just yet.

Force last scum to get Peace Treaty, then NK said person?

Someone who's the towniest town possible (Grey, Hip, etc.) needs to get RB.

I can get Wage Freeze.

Thoughts?

And i already gave this for bidding suggestions.

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Laaady, you're ignooooooring meee...

Mal: You ignored Grey's 2nd question.

Anyways, I don't think Seacore's claimed yet, and I think he's the last one to claim.

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I have no objections.

I'll go after Wage Freeze as well as any other choice that isn't Cop. Probably Forensic Accountant. Objections?

LLD, please respond to my posts when you get on next.

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WHY me? Why not Hiphop, or anyone else?

I want to know why it's me and not anyone else. Grey even asked near when you first voted, too. -_-

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More specifically, you haven't answered A or C.

if you'd like a recap, A.) is me explaining why I didn't pick it (because I already had the NK and I didn't even have enough funds afterward to outbid you), and C.) is asking the same thing as the above post of mine.

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But, as I said, I had only $23 to my name at day's end. How could I have outbid you?

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I don't know, you could be lying about your wage if you were scum?

I bid $300 on NK, $75 on Hitman, and $100 invested, that puts me $475 in the hole--a hole I'm only able to sink because of a transfer to me and Ghost's last will.

Everything I said when Seacore was trying to numbercrunch (except where I said I bid on Last Will when it really said I recieved a last will) was the truth, and all that plus what I bid/invested adds up to leave me with $23 bucks prior to getting my wages, efficiency, etc.

And Gravedigger needed $40 MINIMUM to even bid on it.

Also, that's exactly what we're saying. Only problem is, we don't know who.

I know I didn't, I'm pretty sure Grey, Hip, or Ethos didn't do it, so that leaves Pere, Newman, Chaos, or Mal.

ICE: That was an incomprenhensible mess of nothing.

Get sober, man.

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chaos sent me $200+ Newman (who can talk with him, said he didn't do it.)

So Chaos is claiming he didn't send you $200, while you're claiming he did, Hiphop? Am I understanding that correctly?

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So...why the unvote?

Also, considering that you, of all people, got outbid, that would have to mean that LLD is being truthful about being very rich and about her PR, at least, as she's the only one I can think of who'd be able to outbid you at this point.

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Certainly possible, too. However, you're the first one to come to mind, what with your ability.

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I JUST got done talking about that -_-

LLD: As of the last VC, it isn't. Most likely it occured after the VC was given, or else that number would be in 500's.

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I suggest you look at other sources.

Voided?

We (LLD and I) just got done talking about the SK being the cause!

hello?

Also, I can garauntee it's not accountant and wage freeze.

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I disagree. I think it was scum, not the sk.

Do you believe the sk gets a nest egg?
How about a wage?

I wouldn't know.

If you think it's scum, then would you agree that LLD would most likely be the only one who could outbid you?

Also, oh.

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Who's bidding on Accountant? I was going to get that -_-

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Also, what's the reasoning for voting Newman?

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Whoever just sniped that ought to use it now.

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Yeap, definitely not a good move, Newman. Or did you really think you could cross us and not be found out?

I'm ready to hammer, peeps.

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Well, I hope our robber's happy. <_<

Newman, that still doesn't explain why you decided to bid on Cop after most of us decided to let someone else have it.

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It's more like, "We already have people we trust going for cop, why are you going for it, too? Especially since we don't trust you."

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Got Accountant. Taking all suggestions for who I should use it on. (disclaimer: Any decision of its use will be mine and mine alone. Said usage may not fit with any suggestions given by surviving members, and therefore all suggestions will be taken with varying grains of salt).

Newman getting enough money to outbid Hiphop with $510 really suggests scum or SK to me, unless he did a lot of investing. I mean, I may be wrong, but I can't help but feel that the SK and the last scum got the NK and the Peace Treaty, though who has what is obviously unclear.

Don't know what to make of the RB getting taken. It does suggest that someone has enough money to outbid them, but that could be anyone, including me. (Don't have to worry about me though, cuz I only won accountant.)

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I can follow that logic, Ethos. Now that I think on it, I don't think Mal has actually asked what he should bid on, nor really participated in bidding discussion, which would fit if he was trying to hoard his money.

Vote: mal

L-1.

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Actually, I forgot I had Hitman when I used my NK back when Pere was lynched.

Anyways, I'm gonna go for Doctor and probably tracker, and I'd really like to get the former. Failing that, I do kinda feel like I ought to have the NK again since I have Hitman still, but I guess Seacore can bid on that and hitman.

Only two people i really suspect are lld and Newman, with Seacore a distant 2nd to both of them and hiphop a distant 3rd. Still don't think Ice and Ethos are scum.

On that note, though, in a bout of sudden speculation, I'm not entirely sure if Peace Treaty's usage clears Newman. You'll have to forgive me, as it's just a random thought and I haven't worked out why this is, but I'm sure it's still plausible.

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Anyways, I'm gonna go for Doctor and probably tracker, and I'd really like to get the former.

This cannot happen. One or the other.

Well, fine <_<

Doctor, then.

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Not likely.

Also, I used Forensic Accountant on IceGuy last night. The results are:

D1, obtained Double Vote x2 and Investigation Immune x4.
D2, obtained Roleblocker x3

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She claims as such, anyways

Also, Hitman+NK can break through one of II or RB, but not both. So the NKer'd just have to hope he/she only has to deal with one.

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I already have Hitman, mind. Wouldn't garaunteed doc be better than garaunteed track?

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Oh.

I retract my statement, then.

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Well, I certainly don't have any leads, and LLD has been in my scumdar these two days.

Also, I have no PM, but considering the final buying price is ($70), I can confirm that I got Tracker because I bid that amount when I noticed I was outbid. Also, yes, I still have Doctor

Everyone fine with me hammering?

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Voided said here that the Rb had 3 uses left. D2 states that Rb only had 3 uses, how could voided be rb?

He stated that IceyGuy WON the auction for Roleblocker x 3, not that there were three uses left. There's a difference.

Still doesn't explain why Icey didn't use it to block the shot on him, though. I mean, he WAS looking the scummiest besides Ghostlin D2, right?

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Also, clarification: Apparantly I didn't win Tracker, just Doctor.

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Grey, I'm hurt :<.

Anyways:

D2: Auction Detective x2, Ninja x4
D3: Vote Freeze x1
D4: NK x1.

So, one sure town NEEDS Gravedigger, no questions. And another town needs to get NK. I'm fine with Seacore getting the NK.

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Absolutely, positively, 100% sure.

'Course, there's no garauntee that she actually hasn't used them yet, but I'd assume NK was used N4, at least.

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I don't think the 2nd paragraph is irrelevant, though.

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Dammit, I was getting all excited and whatnot.

Excited? What did you have to get all excited for? -_-

Also, whoever sniped Doc from me would probably be scum.

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Seacore, needs to win nk. He has hitman, and he has the funds to win it.

*ahem*

you keep forgetting. I've had Hitman since D3.

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...and that is...where, again? I never said that.

Newman: You ignored my question here.

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Seacore, needs to win nk. He has hitman, and

he has the funds to win it.

fixed, messed up the quotes.

Ah, okay.

Also, I'm sure I have the funds to win NK as well. Granted, not as surefire as Seacore, but sure enough.

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Am I really the only one to notice that Hiphop goes from being 100% convinced that it's Newman and being perfectly fine with himself being lynched and having Newman shot tonight to asking to get watcher or graverobber tonight.

Well, I

noticed

, I just didn't know what exactly it means, nor did I realize it might have any significance, and thus dismissed it.

Still, it is rather interesting that he switched from lynching/killing someone else, then going back to him (but with the added caveat that the "someone else" be shot), and then trying to take abilities with him.

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Why is Newman getting NKed instead of lynched, again?

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I firmly think Ethos is town, so I'm going to go for the more suspicious of the two in my mind and

vote: hiphop

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Mod: I'm voting Hip, Mag...

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They're objecting because at one point you said you're fine with lynching Seacore, and recently you're saying that he and I aren't the lynches

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Town Ethos -> GreyICE -> Seacore -> Hiphop -> Newman.

On that note, since I'm getting the sense that neither an Ethos nor a Hiphop lynch is likely,

Unvote, and Vote: Newman

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The 'attempts to figure today out' he's doing seem, if not 'exactly what optimal play is,' heads and shoulders above, say, VoidedMafia

You know me, Grey. I try in the beginning, and then slack off at the end. that's practically my town meta at this point. <_<

[Voidedmafia]

Now will you please vote with me, for the longer we sit here, the longer the chance the SK has of bidding on an item and stealing the funds.

unvote

I think we should no-lynch.

Lookie here. He asks me to vote with him to prevent the robber having time to steal funds, then on the same page he unvotes and asks for a no lynch, something that would take near forever to have everyone agree on, organize and do.

Not to mention I don't think everyone wants to do that. I sure don't.

Unvote

. Looks like the hiphop wagon's starting up again. And yeah, bidding $450 for no reason just screams, "Hey, I'm the robber!"

Staying a vote till I double-check VCs for whether or not I'm hammering or L-1. But for now,

Votecount, magua?

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Nope, only got one vote.

Vote: hiphop

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And with Seacore dead, we'll never know if LLD really was carrying that.

Grey, any thoughts on bidding? Should we still go with me trying for the NK or no?

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But yes, if we're still in agreement about that, I (or whoever we agree to give the NK to) should be the ONLY person who hammers. No questions.

I fucked up horribly in not reminding any of us of that fact, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice.

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Actually, I suggest we no-lynch today. You might diagree, I know, but 1 kill and a track to help find out where someone else (presumably Newman went) and still be able to to catch the final scum the next day feels like a better option than risking that today's lynch and tonight's NK get the SK.

Granted, I myself don't really want to lynch Grey, but I'm starting to feel paranoid about this now.

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And, in case you're wrong and Ethos is actually town, what then? NK you for trying a last-minute leadaway? NK Newman?

I mean it, Grey. Put some thought into after this as well as right now.

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Unless I'm Properly Paranoid and I'm right in offhandedly thinking you're the SK, then yes, I think Newman is it.

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I know, I know! *sigh*

Has Newman even commented on anything yet?

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While I see the implications of this, I assure you I had bid $100 beforehand and didn't get to snipe it myself.

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If you are, then vote.

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All right.

Hammer in half an hour, roughly.

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See?

THIS IS WHY I'M PROPERLY PARANOID, GREY!

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Though, I don't see why we couldn't have had a night phase, since there was still a chance to kill the last guy.

Also, I was seriously contemplating NKing you tonight, Grey. And TOO BAD, I WAS ANYWAYS!

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Oh, you sneaky little bastard, you.

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Moral of this game: ALWAYS SUSPECT GREYICE NO MATTER WHAT.

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I repeat: ALWAYS SUSPECT GREYICE, NO MATTER WHAT!

YOU WILL THANK ME FOR MAKING YOU PROPERLY PARANOID!

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Correction: You'll hate my guts at first, but then you'll hail me as saint once I'm right.

Or, yknow, you can always hope Grey isn't scum again. Not that that helps.

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EBWOP: Did I make a bad connection, drawing the conclusion that you were town based on your play from Newbie 1079 being very different from your play here? I mean, I know I was wrong, but was that a bad thing to do?