See: Rule 6
Lost Season 5 - Son of a bitch...
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Excuse me while I do the obvious.
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See: Rule 6Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Excuse me while I do the obvious.
Vote: xReckonerx
See: Rule 6
Why would rule 6 have anything to the mod, this isn't areckamonic game.
Bolded.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yeah, but level with me here: How ELSE would we be able to stop the time skips?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Darox wrote:Why would you want to stop them?
Double lynch is pretty awesome, yes.
There are a few ways it could be done though, LLD, you've no show knowledge right?
Very little.
But I know that the if we're having Time Skips, and the town loses when Jughead goes off... that lowers our time significantly.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Further, the Mafia will have a kill ability, yes?
It'll probably be based around lynches/time like CYS was.
If there are time skips, it'll help the mafia to get their kills in faster.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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\xRECKONERx wrote:Callandor wrote:Yeah but Dramonic is the weirder of the two. Also in the previous Lost games there's been no mod shenanigans, I'd expect that'll remain consistent.
Or even a... constant?
For transparency's sake: I am not lynchable.
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Ironhead wrote:I can tell just from my role PM that the game mechanics are going to be pretty weird -- which will match Season 5 well (I was an avid watcher ofLost). Without revealing anything consequential about my role,my assumption from the information therein is that stopping the time skips will favor the town.
I am curious as to what assumptions everyone else makes about what their role PMs say and suggest that we share some of our assumptions --those thatcanbe shared, without giving scum any information that would be advantageous to them.I also think this could be a lucrative form of RQS-- scum may lie about what assumptions they draw from their role PM, but over time we may be able to catch them in the web of their own deception.
I agree with the first bolded line.
I agree about not giving scum information.
By that logic, I disapprove of RQS.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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No, I want that answer now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Stop being dumb.
Yeah, vote's staying here until you explain.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Nope, sorry, don't care.
Then you can die ^-^Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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xRECKONERx wrote:Updated the rules for clarification.
04. Separate groups have separate votecounts. If Group A has 10 players, and Group B has 3 players, the lynch threshold for Group A will be 6 votes, and the lynch threshold for Group B will be 2.Groups will be determined through pure randomization (no mod intervention).[/color]Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:who cares 51 confirms the fact he's being fucking useless.
I'm not sure you're in a position to be calling anyone useless, considering.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Callandor wrote:who cares 51 confirms the fact he's being fucking useless.
I'm not sure you're in a position to be calling anyone useless, considering.
finding it hard to take you seriously atm, so I won't.
That's the worst excuse to not answer a question I've ever heard.
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totallynotmafia wrote:What was scummy about her post then, Callandor?
This one.
I think there's a question mark. Not quite sure.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vote: Callandor
No, I want that answer now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Why? Are unexplained votes scummy???
No, not by nature. It can be a reaction test, or your reason could be "gut".
However, you have hinted there there is something you saw SPECIFICALLY that made you cast that vote.
Which means it is too late to use either of those above options, since you do HAVE A REASON.
We want to know what that reason is.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:WHO'S WE?? THE MAFIA? IS THAT A SCUMSLIP?
FOS: LLD
We being TNM and I. Derp.
Trying to squirm your way out of this now?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:What do you think of her first post? That was the one I found scummy.
How many scum do you think are likely to be in the group though? I mean, what are the chances the mafia are going to pile on straight away for an easy lynch on a townie? It's an objection that in theory might happen, but never will in practise.
This could have been explained by "gut"
if not for
Callandor wrote:Maybe I'll explain later.
Implying that you have a reason beyond Gut that requires explanation.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Well okay, it's a reason, technically, but they're almost interchangable.
You never said it was gut.
And if it was "gut", you could have said it. You wouldn't be so evasive in answering our questions.
THEREFOR,If you are town, Gut cannot be your reason! There must be a more complicated answer, otherwise you would not hold back your answer!
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I double clicked, sue me.
And as for your reasoning, that's BULLSHIT.
We're lynching this scumbag today.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Yet you're vote is on town. Funny.
You're not town. Not even close.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Callandor wrote:Yet you're vote is on town. Funny.
You're not town. Not even close.
OH, OKAY. That's convincing. Except everything you've said so far this game has been terrible. You'd probably be doing a slightly better job as scum so far though, since it wouldn't be particularly hard.
You're scum because of:
1) The resistance to getting rid of the time skip.
2) Refusal to answer TNM's question
3) Your reaction to my pressure
4) Your attempt to deflect my pressure, instead of answering it.
5) Trying to pass off your "reasons" as "gut" when I said that WOULD be acceptable, but not in your case. (I.E: Much too convenient)
6) When faced with an argument you couldn't fight your way out of, you resorted to discrediting me.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yeah, if you think you're going to deflect my arguments by attempting to be witty, you've got another thing coming.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:LLD should be added to the not voting pile, really.
Keep flailing, scum. Makes this so much easier.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
We being TNM and I. Derp.
Trying to squirm your way out of this now?
(I don't understand how you can possible reject my characterisation of your vote when you've literally made this post itt)
What? What does MY VOTE have to with the post where I CLARIFY something for you?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:springlullaby wrote:Callandor, you think LLD is scum?/quote]
Not really, no. Very surprised she's reacting how she is, it's not at all what I'd expect from her.
And what have you come to expect of me...?
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She never voted me Spring.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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springlullaby wrote:Oh wait, I reread iso, you (Callandor) were asking reck to add LLD to the not voting.
Right. Nevermind me. I don't think Callandor is scum at this point.
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TheJakalope wrote:So let me get this this straight. You put your vote on me, when you knew it wouldn't actually count. You then unvoted when your vote was never actually on me, and now you're actually voting me?
Alright, something's up.
VOTE: Darox
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Callandor is Faraday.
Okay, Callandor is town. /sighYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Callandor wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:...
Callandor is Faraday.
Okay, Callandor is town. /sigh
Oh. You didn't know it was me?
NO I didn't know it was you!
I assumed it was some newb!scum who was flailing, trying to avoid being caught.
But now that I know it's YOU, all the trolling makes sense.
AND the not giving an explanation makes sense.
Fuck it all to hell.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ironhead seems pretty town from his first post. He's wrong town ATM (voting me lolno), but he's town.
TNM asked the question that I pushed you on earlier... but once I started pushing seemed quite content to just let it ride, and add little pot shots here and there.
I had a feeling last night that the interactions between you and he were not town v town, but of course I thought you were scum SO. I want to look a little more closely at him now :S
Darox vs. Jack seems... off. I can't put my finger on it. At least one of them is scum. Potentially both. And if I were a betting woman, I might say that one of them is third party. It's just got that feel. I've nothing to substantiate it with currently, but I'm looking.
Jason's long wall post poses several problems.
First off, the entire section which just parrots what I say, but never really takes a firm stance on you as a read is just something scum would do.
Next, the whole reaction to the time skip was just... bad.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:LLD is one person, and a very hated person at that.
W-What? I-I'm hated? ;_;Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:LLD is one person, and a very hated person at that.
W-What? I-I'm hated? ;_;
Uh yeah...you're the most hated person on this site, slightly worse than zwet.
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Hey Faraday!
UK is V/LA at Otakon until August 1st. She'll probably be tired too, so don't expect anything just yet.
Thanks ^-^Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Vote: TotallynoymafiaYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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totallynotmafia wrote:Firstly, just because we're split into two groups is no excuse for not commenting on or not scumhunting players in the other group. We're all in the same game and chances are there'll be another flash before the next lynch anyway. I think we basically need to play as if there's not two groups.
Secondly, on the time skip speculation on page 6, it clearly states in the rules:
xRECKONERx wrote:03. Every [amount redacted] hours, a time skip will occur. This shift will reshuffle the groups and reset the votecounts.
It's a bit disconcerting to think that there may be players with important PRs who haven't read the special mechanics yet.
Plum wrote:TNM, what of Cal's play has been both calculatedly scummy and completely excused by Faraday's playstyle reputation? Really. Because I hear the terms 'complete allowances in terms of play' and 'get away with murder' and I think of moves more intentionally and profitably scummy than voting me for a very early post and getting away with not explaining it. Or, do you really think that Faraday-Cal's playstyle idiosyncrasies are opaque enough to cover anything truly and dangerously scummy better than most other experienced players' playstyles?
I was talking about playing games of mafia more generally and what frustrates me when players base reads more on playstyle they've come to expect from another player rather than content etc, which to me is dangerous.Lady went from calling for Cal's lynch to calling him town, and what was the only change between these two extremes? she found out it was Faraday. If Cal IS scum, then I'd consider that that is, and I use it as a figure of speech, getting away with murder. However, in this case I can understand that a great deal of Lady's change in heart was due to the fact that she now knew Cal was not a newbie rather than it was specifically Faraday, as it is harder to believe that a player with experience would make the scum error that we were suspecting Cal for.Lady calling Cal town though is the dangerous part to me, as it must be based entirely on an expected playstyle from Faraday or else she wouldn't have been so sure he was scum earlier.
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Phone posting is shit.
The problem there is that he has directly stated that the reason for my change of heart was EXPERIENCE.
That explanation would cover HIS change of heart to.
But actually, what Faraday did is pretty much scummy for all but a few players. faraday being one of them.
So really.... Barring you having any SPECIFIC experience with Faraday... His change of heart doesn't hold water.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In other words, my reason for the 180 read on Faraday was based ON IT BEING FARADAY.
Why is Faraday suddenly town for YOU TNM?
Further, Faraday: Doesnt this look like scum trying to get off a sinking ship by tying himself to my reasoning?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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totallynotmafia wrote:@Lady: I don't really understand what you mean...my change in heart is becauseI wouldn't expect someone with the experience of Faraday to make the scum mistake I suspected him for initially.
@Callandor: My point is that trolling somebody with comments is not a very hard thing to replicate as mafia, so it always boggles my mind that people think just because a player plays that way as town doesn't mean they wont do it as mafia. In fact, if it's a reasonably strong town tell it would be stupid of you not to do it, hence why it's a null tell to me as opposed to a town tell.
Explain exactly WHY.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:Oh, also, I've been following the game from after my post. Elsa is scum and I'd vote her if she was in my time period. TNM is...probably town. I kind of have a slight tinge of *maybe* scum but I also remember TNM having a bad habit of doing that to me. It's not strong enough gut for me to go all Demon Navarus about it (Haha referencing past off site games that no one will get besides LLD).
When you get revived from the dead by a multi shot town innocent child Reviver, I'll let you have that. :3Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Elsa von Spielburg wrote:UncertainKitten wrote:Oh, also, I've been following the game from after my post. Elsa is scum and I'd vote her if she was in my time period.
Gonna back up that arbitrary accusation?
Well... I'm pretty sure she'd have backed it up with a vote if she could (different groups).
And I'm also pretty sure she just got back from V/LA into the thread, and she is VERY tired. The fact she gave any reads tonight at all is miraculous.
Besides, this reaction is terribad.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:...
Hrm. LLD, why are you defending me so much anyway? You know I can handle myself and prefer to.
A few reasons.
1) I've been waiting to play a game with you for a while now, I'm willing to White Knight you on Day 1 based off the knowledge that I know you can play this game well.
2) Elsa's reaction to your post doesn't make me feel good about her, so it was as much about pushing her as it was WKing you.
3) Otakon. I could elaborate on this, but I don't feel it's necessary or proper, yes?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Vote: LLD
I didn't like your unvote because you realized the hydra was part Faraday.
So what you're saying is that because I realized that the one player who it would be NORMAL AS TOWN for them to not explain anything, and then troll while doing it was part of that hydra,
That doesn't explain my change of heart?
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Technically UK, I didn't lie in red.
There WAS a more complicated answer to my question that made Callandor town. The complicated answer, the info I did not have, being that Callandor was Faraday.
Red truth, upheld.
Secondly, I don't use meta often. But when I do, I preferDos Equisusing it on players I have trouble reading otherwise.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ironhead wrote:I can tell just from my role PM that the game mechanics are going to be pretty weird -- which will match Season 5 well (I was an avid watcher ofLost).Without revealing anything consequential about my role, my assumption from the information therein is that stopping the time skips will favor the town.
I am curious as to what assumptions everyone else makes about what their role PMs say and suggest that we share some of our assumptions -- those thatcanbe shared, without giving scum any information that would be advantageous to them. I also think this could be a lucrative form of RQS -- scum may lie about what assumptions they draw from their role PM, but over time we may be able to catch them in the web of their own deception.
I think this is town UK. Why do you think this is scum?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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My vote is currently on Elsa.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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ABR, you've been playing like CES this game. Elucidate on your reads, please.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:OH! Right, now I remember why LLD is town.Scum are not going to get in that bullshit mess between Callandor, LLD, and TNM. I GUARANTEE scum were hanging back, laughing their asses off at a town v. town that killed the first five pages.
So get the fuck off LLD and let's figure this out here. Do remember it's possible that all the scum are in one area.
@LLD:That's how ABR generally plays, IIRC.Who's scum right now, LLD?
Who's using meta now Kitten~?
Oh, and a VT claim does not make Elsa suddenly town.
Darox needs to start talking again.
And I've already said that Jason has done jack all. His catch up post (the one you won't read) said all of nothing that hadn't been said before. It was parroting and if you want to go that route, mostly IIoA.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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ABR, I'd still like you to elucidate your reads.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:It's not the VT claim, LLD. It's the entire post.Logically it feels town.
@LLD: Sure, why not . You gave Faraday a meta pass, so I'm gonna start doing it too~. I recall doing this in Cowboy Bebop re:CES and OH HEY I WAS RIGHT~.
Elucidate the bolded.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Elsa von Spielburg wrote:Hah, while I appreciate a bloodthirsty town,I'm less of a fan when it is going after me.
As for my claim, I am Sayid and I am a VT.
That said, Jak's last page has swung him back towards a town read for me. I'm following Jak's reasoning of ABR insta-buddying me for voting his way and I'm not terribly comfortable with it either. Still, there's the fact that someone thinks I'm town, so I'm not going to fight that one right now. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, and maybe Callandor is just that smooth of a talker, but it feels like Callandor is right on Jak's PR-disaster. It would be silly for scum to do that kind of thing so brazenly (and it's not like we're playing in a newbie game here) and I fully admit I latched onto the first thing that jumped out at me.
If I was smart, I'd try to draw this out and wait for a time-shift to save my life. I never claimed to be smart.
Unvote; Vote: Lady LambdadeltaAfter parking her vote on me at the beginning of the time flip, she's just sat back and let an incredibly misguided/enthusiastic UncertainKitten do most of the heavy lifting for her. Has done no follow up work, applied no pressure, has not been trying to identify my ‘buddies’.Hell, she seems to be voting for be based off of a single reaction-line I gave earlier.It was becoming clear that there would be support for my lynch if the opportunity arose, so Lambdadelta got the ball rolling.
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Also, Dram is scum. "I like you... gotta catch up later" post? For serious? You've done essentially nothing all game and we’ve been here long enough for that to be a mark against you. Lynch him
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UncertainKitten wrote:OH! Right, now I remember why LLD is town.Scum are not going to get in that bullshit mess between Callandor, LLD, and TNM. I GUARANTEE scum were hanging back, laughing their asses off at a town v. town that killed the first five pages.
So get the fuck off LLD and let's figure this out here. Do remember it's possible that all the scum are in one area.
@LLD:That's how ABR generally plays, IIRC.Who's scum right now, LLD?
Who's using meta now Kitten~?
Oh, and a VT claim does not makeElsasuddenly town.
Daroxneeds to start talking again.
And I've already said thatJasonhas done jack all. His catch up post (the one you won't read) said all of nothing that hadn't been said before. It was parroting and if you want to go that route, mostly IIoA.
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UncertainKitten wrote:No, that didn't answer my question. You clarified Elsa. You said Darox needed to start talking again, NOT that he was scum. You said that Jason has done jack all, NOT that he was scum.YOUR STATEMENTS ARE UNCLEAR
This clarification does answer my question.
Feels newbtown to me, LLD. The dram line also is echoing something that had occurred to me.
@Callandor: Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind. What do you think of LLD?
Why would I want Darox to talk more? So I can clarify my scum read on him.
Why am I talking about how Jason used IIoA and parroted what has already been said all game? Because I think he's scum.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:I want Darox to talk more. I DO NOT THINK HE IS SCUM. Possibly Third Party
I want Jason to talk more. I AM NOT SURE HE IS SCUM, even though I recognize what you're saying about him.
So no, it's NOT actually clear when you say vague things like that.
Also this is a stupid semantics argument, sorry. I've got what I wanted out of you.
Here's a question for you:
Do you actually think Ironhead and Plum are both scum? I still think Ironhead is town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UK, I see what you're saying, and I'll raise you one arrogant town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:I'm gettingmore weird survivor tellsthan active scum from him. He can die anyway.
I'm really getting frustrated that absolutely no one sees how awful Iron is. I'm probably going to have to compromise with Plum, but GOD DAMMIT!
huhwhat.jpgYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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^ Well, that's handy.
UK, knowing this, what do you read Darox now?
Cut: Yeah, didn't I say that a few posts ago and you told me I was unclear?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm sorry UK . >.> I'm just frustrated.
And I'll look at Iron again.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh Yeah, Darox is scum.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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