Lost Season 5 - Son of a bitch...

[Darox]

Vote: jasonT

for putting someone at L-3 this early in the game.

[Darox]

Why would you want to stop them?

[Darox]

I think one of us is misinterpreting what the time skips mean.

[Darox]

This argument is so dumb, for reals.

[Darox]

Oh hey now I've got something.
I'd

Vote: TheJakalope

but the coward is hiding in the future. How about it, future spacemen? It's a good vote.

[Darox]

It's mostly because of your role fishing.

Unvote

in the mean time.

[Darox]

So, you also pick up on same thing I do, but decide to me because I'm stuck with no way to vote him through no cause of my own? I think the only appropriate thing to do here is blow raspberries at you.

Pedit: I guess that makes sense if you missed 120

[Darox]

EBWOP: decide to FOS me

[Darox]

Oh sweet now I can

Vote: TheJakalope

[Darox]

I think you might be deliberately stupid at this point. I unvoted Jason, because I didn't really have a reason to keeping him. I wanted to vote you, but couldn't. Now I can, so I am.

[Darox]

And yet, no unvote.

[Darox]

Maybe unfos darox, maybe not.

*thbpptt*

In other news, Jason is being anti town yet probably believes otherwise. That argument is still dumb, and you're being dumb for feeding it with a bloated monstrosity of a post like that.

[Darox]

Reputation: Forever tarnished.

Where's Albert? It's so cold and dreary without him.

[Darox]

I detect cross temporal cowardly distancing.
1) Jackalope's "power role playing baddly" is bad. As town, if you pick up on power you don't out them.

So what's the motivation for him saying I'm a power role, as scum, here?

Trying to make you slip and say "yeah I'm totally a power role, I do X, Y, and if you tip extra, you might get some Z too". You can't blame him for being hopeful.

There are other possibilities but I'm pretty happy with sticking at level one for now.

/answering questions directed to other people because I can

[Darox]

All TNM was saying was that, like if someone like me (Kind of a newbie) came in acting like Callandor/Faraday did, I would have been lynched within a page or two.

Only if the town was filled with TNMs and LLDs. I wasn't planning to ever vote Callandor and I've never played with Faraday before, to my knowledge.

[Darox]

But it still is odd that Callandor seems to be sitting on knowledge.

I am rolling my eyes at you so hard right now.

[Darox]

The other (Town-slanted) possibility I was considering for Jakalope was him trying to lay some pressure down on suspected scum, which is something I've done to scare people. It's got bonus scare weight because a power role read is often really a 'Not-VT' read, and mafia goons fit that description.
But Jakalope shot that idea in the head with this post.

I'm just kinda drifting in this game right now, in the morning I'll go back and read over to see if I can gain divine meaning from this turgid mess, cause I apparently missed out when it was being served the first time.

[Darox]

Alright, time to win the game, save the princess, and earn unspecified baked goods.

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Albert B. Rampage

#1 - Don't understand the reason behind this Callandor vote.

Wow ok that was not a lot of points. Either I've gotten really bad at this, or it's because most of Albert's posts are short affairs which are largely unobjectionable and he's acting pretty sensibly. (It's the second thing)

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Callandor

#9 - Ugh this is the start of the roller-coaster of dumb. Don't really get any scum vibes from Callandor's side of it though.
#42 - Everything up to here has been retarded, but this one I just don't get.
#65 - Is the nightmare over? Sure to the TNM reasoning. Disagree with the Jakalope thing and that argument being helpful. Got a reason for the vote?
#90 - Don't like the first line here about Albert.
#104 - Not digging the implicit accusation here.

Disagree with everything they have wrote, are writing, and will write, but not really getting too many scum vibes from it right now. This seems kinda odd, will probably check in on this again later.

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Dramonic

#1 - Dram keeps the hypocrisy low by FoS'ing Elsa for not saying much of note, with his first real post of the game, 200 posts in.
#2 to 4 - Oh wow there's nothing here. 2 instances of calling people town, calling Elsa scum, and some promises to provide content.

Insert the disappointed teacher reference of your choice. Let's see you say something.

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Elsa von Spielburg

I'm gonna skip the post by post points and just say Elsa is awesome and town. Could stand to see more talking without death threats being involved, but still, awesome.

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Ironhead

#0 - Really don't like the tone of this post. Takes the softest possible route to calling time skips bad,

[No details, 'assumption']

not to mention the role fishing potential

[Power roles are more likely to have a stronger opinion]

as well as the simple fact that

all

information about game mechanics that the scum doesn't know about benefits the scum team.
#1 - Thanks for the insight. Got any explanations to go with that?
#3 - Oh wow that is the worst explanation for voting TNM and LLD I have ever heard.
#4 - This question just boggles my mind. Ok, so in #0 you hint you have some information on the game mechanics in your role pm and that stopping time skips is pro-town. Then in #2 you note that the scum don't get a kill with each time slip, and now here you just out and ask if anyone knows how the mafia kill works. What were you hoping to achieve?
#5 - Ok, UK is calling for an Ironhead/Plum double tap, so the sensible reaction is to... vote Plum and attack UK?

Low count plus bad content equals frowny face.

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JasonT

#2 - Jason falls into the trap and responds to Ironhead's first post. The rest of the post is just awful, awful. I guess he hasn't improved from whichever game it was I played with him in ages past.

The rest of his posts continue the trend and make me want to lynch him on principle, but I'm just kinda annoyed rather than suspicious at this point.

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Lady Lambdadelta

#6 - LLD disagrees with Ironhead about sharing information! Joy, the one sensible post about to be destroyed by a tidal wave of terrible.
#7 to 30 - I hate you

I hate you

I hate you

I hate you

I hate you

I hate you

I hate you

All so bad

#35, 36, 37 - Ugh you're being dumb again.
#41 - Rolling my eyes at the buddying here.
#44, 45 - You're bad

Throw another log on the "I wish I could dayvig you" fire.

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Plum

#1 - Hey look everybody it's Plums only real post. It's... actually not too bad. I like it. It's not enough to cover the game, but I don't think it's bad through it's own merits.
#2 - Oh wait Plum makes a second post while I was writing this. It's also pretty sweet. Way to be agreeable, plum. Now do it another ten times.

Really needs more stuff, flying pretty low at the moment.

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Springlullaby

#5 - *thbppt*
Eh, most of my reactions to her posts are "I disagree, but I can see where you're coming from", except unlike Callandor, I don't get bad mojo vibes from it at all. Except for
#14 - Because I don't like the jab at ABR here.

See above.

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TheJakalope

#2 & 3 - Oh wait I guess I was wrong 'dumb town' is totally a plausible explanation.
#5 - Still terrible.

Ok so I've already covered half of these and I'm feeling lazy, bottom line, Jak seems like a newbie with potential but who often just makes me want to stand with a forlorn look against a desolate background while a single, pure tear rolls down my cheek. Still hate his PR callout debacle, but there are tastier fish to fry.

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Totallynotmafia

Sigh. I'm really not up for this right now. The initial playthrough made him look fairly townish if newby, and I just don't have the will to go through another one of those at the moment. If someone's got a compelling case for why he's scum go ahead, but otherwise I'm setting him to the side for now.

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UncertainKitten

#9 - There are a bunch of jokes I want to make here, but they're all really cheesy and/or lame, so I'm just gonna go with I like this post & style.
#27 - Elsa is super town, but at least you see she's not lynch material. The coasting thing is a Darox-tell. I am one of life's natural born coasters. Especially when I don't have anything interesting to pick on.
Man, I'm terrible at picking up points when I'm mostly agreeing with what you're saying. The exchanges with LLD make me sigh, and the third party thing is silly, but mostly pretty good.

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Is this post finished yet?

Nope, Dram made some posts while I was writing it. Are they the promised reads? No, they're more awfulness. Seriously, what is up with that UK vote? That's just bad. The rest doesn't impress either.

So, I'm up for Ironhead or Dramonic lynches. I was originally considering Ironhead vs Plum with Dramonic as an outside third instead, but then they both made their respective posts.

Let's roll with

Vote: Ironhead

[Darox]

Ok that post was pretty all over the board. This is what happens when I write a post over the course of several hours, it gets corrupted with all sorts of different typing styles. Whatever, it's done.

[Darox]

LLD, you have suspicions of me? Like, real ones, not just a line saying "I think Darox should post more"?

Please help.

[Darox]

I'm just going to take a moment to curse this current timeline split.

FUCK.

All the people I want to vote are hiding in the future, again.

[Darox]

Sigh. I'd like to lynch you Jason, but it would leave me feeling unclean. Really hate playstyles like that.

Darox, can you make a nice little list of your reads from town to scum based on your long post for all of us lazy folks?

Nah. Just imagine my list as a hot air balloon, with Ironhead being the basket and everyone else being air hanging out in the balloon.

In other news:

05. While a lynch or kill doesn't send the game into night, it may freeze gameplay in... other ways.

I'm looking at this and I'm thinking we really should find out what it means sooner rather than later.

[Darox]

ARGH, SCREW YOU JASON. I HOPE SOMETHING UNFORTUNATE INVOLVING A SMALL VICIOUS MAMMAL HAPPENS TO YOU.

Seriously, I wake up to this disgusting mess? I'd have more to say but lol dumb bullshit filling another 5 pages lol all the scummy people are lurking hard lol stuck in a different timeline.

[Darox]

Darox/Elsa/Jason.

you kind of had a saliant point about discrediting.

Again, do you (LLD) have any written points about your suspicions of me? Cause I haven't seen them, except for "Darox should post something", and while I agree I am insidiously undermining this point by virtue of posting, I don't see how calling your slapfights with Callandor & Jason terrible (And they ARE terrible) affects anything you have said about me.

I mean, sure it makes you think I'm a nasty evil man and that I'm working against you, but this doesn't actually happen.

[Darox]

Ok, so we're in new groups, but we can't do anything about it? Another flash is probably going to happen before 2 days is up.

[Darox]

This voteless phase will never end. It will be my grave.

Jason still makes me want to throttle him. Not getting bad vibes from ABR. That hammer post was all kinds of ugly. Dramonic has given up even the pretense of catching up.

[Darox]

I do. If I didn't mention it last post, I meant to.

[Darox]

Does everyone know what time it is?

HOME IMPROVEMENT!

Wait I mean, VOTE TIME!

Vote: Ironhead

[Darox]

So, you dying favours the town? Rather fatalistic viewpoint, no?

[Darox]

my assumption from the information therein is that stopping the time skips will favor the town.

[Darox]

Iron has a provable role WHEN HE DIES. That's really not the same thing. By that definition, TNM had a provable role.

[Darox]

Thank you for that stunning insight Jason.

I would never have made that deduction without your astute analysis.

[Darox]

@Darox: Between me and Jakalope, who would you rather lynch and why?

You. Because I thought you were acting scummy and you haven't really done anything to dissuade those thoughts. But your claim has left me feeling distinctly uneasy and now I'm just kind of aimless once more. I guess it's time for another revision in the near future to pick up the pieces again. Probably starting with a reread of springlullaby, though I can only sit in the year XX and practise my cheerleading routines so I'm pretty apathetic to doing it right now.

[Darox]

Don't worry Ironhead, that vote is definitely pressuring me, and it definitely hasn't lowered my opinion of you.

[Darox]

Or they are habitual procrastinators who are currently stuck in a timezone with tweedledee and tweedledum, and thus have little incentive to get down to business.

PEdit: Or what Elsa said.

[Darox]

Voteless? Check
Stuck in a tiny timeline with two people I don't really want to lynch? Check
Business as usual.

[Darox]

Jason is being retarded, I'm stuck in the voteless zone.
BUSINESS AS USUAL.

Jason: Who are the 'few' who suspect me as scum? Why would you vote based on others opinions rather than your own thoughts?

Still don't like Elsa lynch, though that may be residue from her near lynch, cause I can't remember her doing anything of note since then.

[Darox]

On review, I'm still liking Elsa as town over say, Ironhead and Dramonic

[Darox]

I don't know why Ironhead is throwing so much mud at the cop. Either she's town and telling the truth [Protip: It's this one], she's town and making shit up for the hell of it [No] or she's scum and decided what she really needs is a couple of unlynchables hanging around [Again, no]
Going into that big semantic discussion just really rubs me the wrong way.

Sidenote: Really, viciously despise Jason's play. "Hey guys am I confirmed town yet? Let me claim my role pm to try and get confirmed. Guys, you think I'm confirmed, right?"

[Darox]

Um, hmm. Shouldn't the groups have changed? Am I still stuck with Jason in voteless hell?

If not,

Vote: Ironhead

[Darox]

But I'm having an entertaining fight in box office and I don't need to think like I do this game.

I'll get on it once I get real free time and can go back over the last 2~ pages. So something like 3 hours.

[Darox]

Ok let's see. People still alive in this game.

Ironhead:

I'd like to vote him. I really would. Posts like #853 trip alarm bells in my mind. I mean, that's a really awful reason to vote Elsa. This latest case against UK is riddled with holes too, it's 90% filler. The bit about dramonic especially looks like scraping the barrel for more epoxy.

TheJakalope:

I get worried because he's kind of floating in the void of the unremarkable, but he's giving me reasonably good vibes overall.

Darox:

Dashing, Dastardly, Debonair, Devious, Delightful, D... something. Fuck. Edit: Detestable.

UncertainKitten:

Maybe personality bias is tipping the scale, but I think UK is 100% prime grade townie.

JasonT:

I really wish you would drop dead, if you survived to Lylo I think the headache would tear me apart. There's basically two warring factions in my head yelling at each other. It goes like this: 'No one is actually that stupid' - 'Yes they are, we've lost games because of it' - 'We've also lost because someone was faking the infuriating moron act, remember?' and then I have to think happy thoughts about a hypothetical game where I have a dayvig ability.

Lady Lambdadelta:

Move over UK, LLD is the new hotness. Confirmed cop in my eyes.

Dramonic:

See Jason, except the voice saying "There's no way he's this dumb" is a lot louder and the voice saying "Maybe he just hasn't slept for five days" is a lot less insistent. He's staying on the scum shortlist barring divine intervention or a mod flip.

Albert B. Rampage:

Felt good about him, but I think it's mostly because he's letting me fill in the blanks myself by virtue of rationing words like it's the apocalypse. He'll probably post a full paragraph in a week or so and, as starved for his attention as we are, will get showered in praise. Don't think he's a godfather, so he's almost as town as LLD. That's pretty much the bottom line.


Right, with all that in mind,

Vote: Dramonic

[Darox]

In hindsight I should have just gone with 5 D's to match my name, but my desire for symmetry and even numbers was too strong.

[Darox]

You've got to be kidding me.

This is a joke right?

You're not actually fucking with me with your secret campaign to prevent me from using my vote how I want to, right?

[Darox]

Ironhead:

I'd like to vote him. I really would. Posts like #853 trip alarm bells in my mind. I mean, that's a really awful reason to vote Elsa. This latest case against UK is riddled with holes too, it's 90% filler. The bit about dramonic especially looks like scraping the barrel for more epoxy.

Dramonic:

See Jason, except the voice saying "There's no way he's this dumb" is a lot louder and the voice saying "Maybe he just hasn't slept for five days" is a lot less insistent. He's staying on the scum shortlist barring divine intervention or a mod flip.

Right, with all that in mind,

Vote: Dramonic

Just to be clear here, you're saying Iron is scummy for attacking me (among other things), but you're also calling me scum...
So me and Ironhead are crossbussing with a dead scum, riiiiiight?

No, I'm saying Ironhead's points about UK attacking you are filler. Nothing about Ironhead attacking you.

You're both scum.

Vote: Dramonic

[Darox]

I want a time limit on that claim. We're not going to let the scum get another flash if we're going to quicklynch. How does 12 hours sound?

Barring the potiential of the hilariously malicious Dram/Ironhead 2 man time group, I'm not really bothered by the possibility of a flash.
Claim by tommorow sounds good though.

[Darox]

Unvote

because I really don't want Jason to show up, say five words and then hammer, because that's exactly the kind of bullshit he would pull. At the end of the day, dramonic is #2, and I don't him being quicklynched out of nowhere.

If he shows up and votes, then we might be going somewhere, but having him just hanging out with a free vote makes my teeth itch.

[Darox]

Don't want him being quicklynched*

[Darox]

Ok so I was going to give dramonic a couple hours to say something, but that's pretty much a waste of time at this point.

Looking at the flash times, another one is due soon anyway.
Sat Jul 30, 2011 03:22:47
Sat Jul 30, 2011 17:33:10
Tue Aug 02, 2011 03:53:47
Thu Aug 04, 2011 13:45:22

Scumlynch @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 02:32:23
Flash @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 02:36:06

Tue Aug 09, 2011 07:14:19
Thu Aug 11, 2011 08:44:45
Sat Aug 13, 2011 03:21:19
Mon Aug 15, 2011 14:55:27
Wed Aug 17, 2011 17:14:07

Vote: dramonic

[Darox]

Note: Those times are taken from Reckoners posts, using my time zone. Which apparently is GMT+11? That's not my time zone.

Whatever, the point is, Reckoners post above is at Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:04:24, which is just under 2 days from the last flash.

[Darox]

No wait that's GMT+13. Silly me.

[Darox]

I'm Sun-Hwa Kwon, Vanilla townie.

Dayvig? Are you serious Ironhead?

[Darox]

So where are all the other vig kills?

In other news, I seriously doubt LLD is going to turn up anything other than more "innocent" results, so we should probably get our asses into gear to minimize kill opportunities. With that in mind,

Vote: Ironhead

[Darox]

I guess I should say I'm only ever called Sun in my role pm, but having not watched Lost I was lost (hur hur) until I finally found Sun-Hwa Kwon in the wiki from the Jughead link. Searching for 'Sun' is not very helpful unless you're looking for the star.

[Darox]

Ok, yeah. The way he's treated Plum & Dramonic plus the steadfast denial of a godfather is pretty damning.

The fact that LLD hasn't been shot means either A: The scum is RETARDED, B: LLD is lying or

C:

There's a fricking godfather

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Darox]

Should have stuck to my gut and held out for an Ironhead lynch.

/back to voteless hell

[Darox]

If we were going to eliminate unconfirmeds, I'd rather get rid of Jason first, but reck thwarting votes and etc.

[Darox]

Ok, I can agree on this plan.

Vote: Ironhead

[Darox]

Sweet jesus this exploded while I was asleep.
Nothing changed for me, I'm still vanilla.

Better start taking an extreme interest in this game.

1) LLD
2) UK
3) Jason
Ordered from most town to least.

Gonna do some reading.

[Darox]

Ok, I don't really get the LLD "Jason is definitely scum, full speed ahead" then immediate unvote. But really, that's a small speck of dust on the shiny polished nameplate that read 'Town' in big gold lettering.
UK's 'I got a power role now but can't do anything about it' is kinda sticky, but I still think she's town.

Jason makes me want to throttle him. V/LA for the weekend when we'll lose on Sunday just makes it worse.

Given all this, I'm going to

Vote: Jason

UK is already voting him, Jason isn't going to vote himself, and I think LLD is 100% town, so I'm not worried about a quick hammer.

[Darox]

Oh yay, I didn't autolose for being asleep. I was kinda worried about that when I woke up and realized it was 12pm.

I actually picked all the kills, and the only time I got disrupted by the "can't kill outside own timeline" was when I tried to kill UK instead of Jakalope. Didn't actually know it was a rule until then.

Thought I had screwed myself royally about three times this game though.

[Darox]

I was going to kill you first (edited it to TNM in scumtopic) but then saw some post by you and decided you were interesting and safe enough to keep alive, and went for someone I thought wasn't ever going to be lynched.

[Darox]

ABR - look at his vote history. fucking disgusting. get out or get lynched, it'd be a mercy kill given your reads.
LLD - that almost looks too bad to be a bus, but her interactions with plum are lolnonexistant/bad
UK - BUSSED PLUM INTO THE GROUND, GG.
TMN - TOWNIER THAN YOU
JAKALOPE - LOLTOWN,GET OUT
CALLANDOR - BUSSED PLUM
IRONHEAD - had him as town for a secret reason, not as sure now.
spring - dat hammer. didn't like the reasons for it, really. plum wasn't scum because she stalled.

Jason. The plum vote on him looks like a horrible distancing attempt tbh. Buttttttt I still kinda think jason is town.

darox could be scum too i guess, but i like him and stuff.

This one.
I have a bad habit of not wanting to kill players who are a threat just because they are more interesting to play with.
Which is why I changed my mind on an ABR kill at some point too.

[Darox]

The real kicker for me was when, after LLD didn't get nightkilled for cop claiming, cop results were still being treated as if they were worth anything.

That more than anything gave me the victory, I think.