Lost Season 5 - Son of a bitch...

[Callandor]

Vote Dramonic

[Callandor]

Excuse me while I do the obvious.

Vote: xReckonerx

See: Rule 6

Why would rule 6 have anything to the mod, this isn't a reckamonic game.

[Callandor]

Yeah but Dramonic is the weirder of the two. Also in the previous Lost games there's been no mod shenanigans, I'd expect that'll remain consistent.

[Callandor]

Why would you want to stop them?

Double lynch is pretty awesome, yes.

There are a few ways it could be done though, LLD, you've no show knowledge right?

[Callandor]

That's not RQS, as RQS is a bunch of useless garbage questions that lead us nowhere.

While stopping them may help us later on, there's also the fact a double lynch early game is extremely useful (it's also fairly apparent there'll be at least 1 scum in each sub group or it'd be fucking stupid) and if I *could* stop the time skips now I'd not.

Ironhead is probably town at any rate.

Unvote, Vote Plum

[Callandor]

What's your justification for putting Plum at L-2?

I think she's scum.

One would think that was self evident, what with the vote switch. Why aren't you voting?

[Callandor]

I've got to go back and watch the season again, but wasn't detonating jughead supposed to stop the skips? Or was that to reset them back off the island?

The latter.

[Callandor]

What do you think of her first post? That was the one I found scummy.

How many scum do you think are likely to be in the group though? I mean, what are the chances the mafia are going to pile on straight away for an easy lynch on a townie? It's an objection that in theory might happen, but never will in practise.

[Callandor]

Oh, I'd forgotten you were in Lost S4 for a bit. It wasn't the OMGUS, that's a crap scumtell.

[Callandor]

Maybe I'll explain later.

[Callandor]

(Do you have anything else to contribute other than a question I've given a vague answer to twice now?)

[Callandor]

So instead you'll just be useless and unvote! How fucking wonderful.

[Callandor]

Stop being dumb.

[Callandor]

No, my vote is basically on you.

@MOD: Were the players randomized for the current split in timelines?

No, you're vote is nowhere. Stop being dumb.

[Callandor]

YOUR*

[Callandor]

Nope, sorry, don't care.

[Callandor]

At this stage I would rather your lynch before anyone elses, and until the mod answers my question I can't be entirely sure that there are any mafia in my time zone at all.

LOL r u srs

[Callandor]

who cares 51 confirms the fact he's being fucking useless.

[Callandor]

TNM can be town too.

[Callandor]

who cares 51 confirms the fact he's being fucking useless.

I'm not sure you're in a position to be calling anyone useless, considering.

finding it hard to take you seriously atm, so I won't.

[Callandor]

OH, OKAY. The question without the question mark.

[Callandor]

You should be more clear in your posts, considering my last post had nothing to do with TNM. Just a tip for the future

Oh, that one. yeah I told him I'd answer it later.

[Callandor]

And I wanna be a billionaire so freakin bad.

[Callandor]

Well I really hope you're not town, because by not answering it now you're just gonna keep digging a hole you probably wont be able to get yourself out of.

BUT I AM TOWN. PLEASE TELL ME, WHAT SHOULD I DO?

[Callandor]

Why? Are unexplained votes scummy???

[Callandor]

WHO'S WE?? THE MAFIA? IS THAT A SCUMSLIP?

FOS: LLD

[Callandor]

However, you have hinted there there is something you saw SPECIFICALLY that made you cast that vote.

If you could quote where this happened; because I'm pretty sure I've never intentionally done this.

[Callandor]

So, you're saying you and TMN are mafia? But I had him as town

[Callandor]

Since when is gut not an explanation?

[Callandor]

Well okay, it's a reason, technically, but they're almost interchangable.

[Callandor]

Well okay, it's a reason, technically, but they're almost interchangable.

You never said it was gut.

And if it was "gut", you could have said it. You wouldn't be so evasive in answering our questions.

THEREFOR,

If you are town, Gut cannot be your reason! There must be a more complicated answer, otherwise you would not hold back your answer!

Red Truth.

It's hilarious that you managed to botch the red truth here, since it's a naive thing to say and quite factually incorrect.

I never said it wasn't gut. I never explained it all. I could have said it of course, but maybe I chose not to? I don't see how me having a reason makes me MORE likely to be evasive, it looks like TMN actually thinks the opposite.

[Callandor]

Yet you're vote is on town. Funny.

[Callandor]

oh god your*

[Callandor]

I double clicked, sue me.

even mafiascum couldn't lie about your red truth lololol

[Callandor]

Yet you're vote is on town. Funny.

You're not town. Not even close.

OH, OKAY. That's convincing. Except everything you've said so far this game has been terrible. You'd probably be doing a slightly better job as scum so far though, since it wouldn't be particularly hard.

[Callandor]

No, I completely agree that if you were town, and your reason for suspecting Plum was "gut", you wouldn't have said "I'll explain later".

Unless of course you're a jester, in which case gg.

[Callandor]

MY EYES, MY EYES. dat post.

[Callandor]

1) The resistance to getting rid of the time skip.
2) Refusal to answer TNM's question
3) Your reaction to my pressure
4) Your attempt to deflect my pressure, instead of answering it.
5) Trying to pass off your "reasons" as "gut" when I said that WOULD be acceptable, but not in your case. (I.E: Much too convenient)
6) When faced with an argument you couldn't fight your way out of, you resorted to discrediting me.

F- would read again but very reluctantly.

[Callandor]

What other thing do I have coming???? Oh my god I fucking *love* surprises.


See the thing about your case is, it's objectively terrible. 1) wasn't a scumtell untill you made a case, which quite clearly shows your confirmation bias. 2) is newbie game level stuff, actually 2/3/4/5 are all the same thing pretty much but your random.org of case making must have told you to make 6 points. The actualy 6 point is factually incorrect since I called you dumb 2 pages ago.

I'm glad we had this discussion, because I've been entertained as fuck.

[Callandor]

Well the deflecting through questions didn't work out so well, so I guess it's the next logical step.

Actually that's clearly not a logical step at all, but given you've already jester speculated it's probably best you disagree with me.

[Callandor]

LLD should be added to the not voting pile, really.

[Callandor]

Excuse me, I was talking to Reck. How dare you interrupt me with your rudeness. Learn some manners.

[Callandor]

We being TNM and I. Derp.

Trying to squirm your way out of this now?

(I don't understand how you can possible reject my characterisation of your vote when you've literally made this post itt)

[Callandor]

Mod can we check that LLD's account wasn't hacked

[Callandor]

that was probably a little cuntish actually, but the point suffices that the post I quoted shows exactly why you're doing it wrong.

[Callandor]

[quote="springlullaby"]Callandor, you think LLD is scum?/quote]
Not really, no. Very surprised she's reacting how she is, it's not at all what I'd expect from her.

[Callandor]

TheJakalope is fairly townish.

[Callandor]

Callandor, here's a tip for the next time you play as mafia: when you accuse someone of being scum, have a pre-planned reason for why you think they're scum. Town are trying to find out who the scum are, so when they accuse someone of being scum they are going to have a legitimate reason (no matter how wrong or right) for having done so, therefore, in order to look like you're town when you're mafia, you need to have a reason for accusing another player as scum. Having a reason pre-planned helps you avoid such delay-tactics as "Maybe I'll explain later."

thnx 4 da info i iz n00b u c

[Callandor]

And have I played with you before?

Ex-fucking-scuse me. Stop trolling

[Callandor]

my b. I find it amusing jason thinks calling oneself town is a scumslip. Oh and he, not she.

[Callandor]

I detect cross temporal cowardly distancing.
1) Jackalope's "power role playing baddly" is bad. As town, if you pick up on power you don't out them.

So what's the motivation for him saying I'm a power role, as scum, here?

[Callandor]

Sorry yea, i thought He was referring to someone else as town. my mistake

Um, you realise Callandor = Faraday right? As in I am Faraday. I'm only asking because you say 'he' instead of 'you' here.

[Callandor]

Reputation: Forever tarnished.

That happens a lot.

[Callandor]

I think it just makes him

dumb

silly town.

[Callandor]

...

Callandor is Faraday.

Okay, Callandor is town. /sigh

Oh. You didn't know it was me?

[Callandor]

Er can you give me reads on Jason, TNM, Ironhead and Darox while you're here then pretty please?

[Callandor]

This is a Faraday/Dekes hydra for full disclosure, it was in the queue and stuff.

[Callandor]

F-

[Callandor]

If you think I'm playing 'lazy' you've no idea what you're talking about.

[Callandor]

Today's lesson: Having a reputation will either give you a free pass to play lazily as town or allow you to get away with murder as scum. Which is why after this I'm heading back to the newbie queue...shut it, Faraday.

Also I've no idea what the last sentence means, but it sounds like your whining because I don't fit how you think the game should be played.

[Callandor]

I'm not 'above' answering questions, I think I've answered most questions, actually, I refused to answer a specific question. There's a fairly large difference.

You for some reason seem to think scum have some sort of problem faking cases, that's actually not true at all, if I'd wanted to answer it I could have said 'it feels off' or something and you'd have probably been placated. I'm not particularly interested in having a discussion on why I play the way I play, but suffice to say I consider it effective or I'd not use it.

[Callandor]

what other reads you have, TMN?

[Callandor]

Yeah he's pretty much confirmed town, I think TheJakalope and Iron are only slightly less town though

[Callandor]

Which is quite clearly factually incorrect if you read the thread.

[Callandor]

(in that several people found my responses townish without anything about 'reputation')

[Callandor]

Already given my opinion on tmn; but for more detail:

Callandor, here's a tip for the next time you play as mafia: when you accuse someone of being scum, have a pre-planned reason for why you think they're scum. Town are trying to find out who the scum are, so when they accuse someone of being scum they are going to have a legitimate reason (no matter how wrong or right) for having done so, therefore, in order to look like you're town when you're mafia, you need to have a reason for accusing another player as scum. Having a reason pre-planned helps you avoid such delay-tactics as "Maybe I'll explain later."

This pretty much made me rule out TMN as scum completely. I don't see a player of his relative experience saying this as scum to someone he knows will flip town. Although it's fairly condescendingly douchey, but I suppose that's understandable given my play towards him.

Make himself look townish by 'defending' potential power role/ buddying up to power role.

Seems fairly unlikely to me with the way it came about. I don't think TheJakalope is the type of player to risk this as scum (it's also worth pointing out I don't think I've ever seen scum openly speculate on pr's in thread, so while it theoretically should be scummy I think it's a town tell, of course

now

it goes out the window but blah blah blah)

It depends what you consider 'unhelpful', unexplained votes are very helpful, I think I've been fairly helpful , comparatively, anyway.

Oh, and Plum for the original vote, it was just gut,your first post just looked like you were trying too hard to fit in. I'm not really sure how much I like your catch-up post, the first part regarding thejakalope seems nitpicky, I don't think him phrasing it as justification is anyway indicative of alignment, I'm also fairly unimpressed by the reasoning for everyone's voting Jakalope.

MOD PLEASE PROD UNCERTAINKITTEN

Vote Darox

[Callandor]

I'm also looking forward to Jason's next post.

[Callandor]

I disagree, and found it very helpful. But I don't really care.

What I do care about is your jason read, help me out, I'm not seeing it, like at all.

[Callandor]

Also y no vote?

[Callandor]

Can you like say why you think I'm scummy in your own words without quotes?

[Callandor]

I'LL WAIT WITH BAITED BREATH UK.

just agree with my reads and i'll be happy.

[Callandor]

Nah, TNM's a good guy.

[Callandor]

I SEE YOUR BOLDED TEXT AND RAISE YOU SOME

ITALICS

. He seems genuinely bewildered as opposed to frustrated he's lost support for his pet mislynch.

[Callandor]

holy fucking shit i just noticed spring lullabies avatar has a mouth thing and it scared the shit out of me

[Callandor]

@Faraday: I'm not bewildered, I said I understand the change in heart because I felt the same thing upon learning Cal was someone I knew was an experienced player as opposed to a newbie. Lady calling you town seems to be entirely based on a playstyle she has come to expect from you though.

That makes sense, but what is a scumtell for player x can be a towntell for player y, which is why knowing who I am is relevant (specifically, I was trolling her with some of my comments which is a reasonably strong town tell for me)

[Callandor]

But actually, what Faraday did is pretty much scummy for all but a few players. faraday being one of them.

(no wai @ that being scummy in general, but that can wait till post game)

[Callandor]

TNM doesn't actually find me town I think, and no, I get a good vibe from his posts. Specifically the LOL U SO BAD one earlier where he was giving me advice on how to play scum.(haha)

[Callandor]

buddying up is a scumtell, i read it on the wiki.

lld should put her vote somewhere else (on scum, preferably, but anyone not obvtown is a good place to start)

[Callandor]

Psh, you know I'll damn well get what I want if I want it. I'll need to reread the game to determine how much I want it ^-^. Also gonna go out on a limb and call Lambda town, but that's not concrete yet. I feel myself following her thought processes on page 9/10 fairly closely which usually implies Lambda is the same alignment as me. The trick is determining if I just want to think that or if it's really true. Sorry for posting incomplete reads but I figure that even if I can't do a reread tonight, I should try my best to give you all *something* to work with.

her thought process on those pages seem to be that tnm is scum, you think tmn is townish. how does this work.

[Callandor]

ABR: plz explain how your LLD scum-read works with your earlier Callandor scumread.

[Callandor]

How would you say TheJakalope's contribution compares to say, ABR or Dramonic? (I realise you can't vote for Dramonic, of course)

[Callandor]

Jakalope is town and both the votes on him are dumb.

Albert's pretty much lacking conviction in any of his scum reads anyway.

[Callandor]

Basically his dumb 'I think Callandor is a PR' is far more likely to come from town than scum, also in his first post where he's shown he's not previewing his posts (definite minor town tell for a newer player). Also having played with him when he was scum this feels noticably different enough that I think he's town.

[Callandor]

No, you're wrong.

[Callandor]

like scum just don't fucking say that but feel free to keep using theoretical garbage tells

[Callandor]

Well Jakalope is town and people are voting him for stupid reasons, is the long and the short of it.

He basically stated he thought I was a PR in thread, and that was why he had a town read on me. Zzzzz newbie town play and that's it.

[Callandor]

ARE OBJECTIVELY SHIT.


finishing sentences so you don't have to.

But no srsly, your whole 'oh refusing to answer questions is scummy' line is bullshit anyway, what motive do scum have to avoid questions? you think they can't explain actions they do? seriously jason?

[Callandor]

your complete lack of willingness to help town or answer questions.

like, this isn't even fucking true anyway so get off your LOL YOU'RE PLAYING ANTI-TOWN horse if you're town here.

[Callandor]

Vote Plum

PLZ UK, CAN WE DO THIS INSTEAD. I wanna keep ironhead.

[Callandor]

Lemme see if I can remember why Iron is town or stuff.

[Callandor]

Yeah, we get it ABR's reason is pants on head dumb. Just ignore it for now.


Anyway, despite the join date Ironhead's relative level of experience with mafia isn't that much, in the last game Reck didn't give us fake PM's as scum, we could request our own, I actually think his early mechanics discussion is a town tell for this reason, as he's probably basing it on his own pm (and he's less likely to talk about it if it's in his scum pm). Admittedly he could do with more scumhunting bit I find IIOA to be only applicable as a scumtell in certain cases - plenty of town players do it, Ooba day 1 is the best example off the top of my head.

[Callandor]

I don't vote because other people tell me to.

totally town response here, just fyi.

[Callandor]

The flashes have nothing to do with Jughead flavourwise, btw.

@UK It's not *required* but I think it's more likely to come from someone with a town pm. I can't really explain why any better than I have, I see your gut and raise you gut!

[Callandor]

Deadlines on claims go against my code of ethics and thus I cannot support the deadline (claim is fine though )

Don't be silly though, there's no way scum will get a kill *this* early in day. We've been here what 4 days or something? I think reck wanted his games to last a bit longer after the last one ended in a week of quicklynches

[Callandor]

Well I specifically meant this forum, and i've already read your other games or at least skimmed them.

Do you find UK scummy, or just a poor player then?

[Callandor]

I'm very smooth.

P.S. Elsa is town.

[Callandor]

HEY JASON YOU POSTED IN YOUR GAMES EARLIER BUT NEVER COMMENTED HERE.


EXPLAIN.

LOL HE'S SHOWN UP

[Callandor]

Any reason why you say Dram is scum, and done nothing all game, but fail to mention Plum who has made even less posts than Dram?

is this a fucking SERIOUS question jason

[Callandor]

FOS ELSA

However, I'm not ready to hammer anyone yet. Elsa's next post will decide it.

Please don't hammer her, thanks.

[Callandor]

Hey else have you been scum on MS, can you link me to the games real quick if so.

[Callandor]

Elsa*

[Callandor]

@Callandor: Out of curiosity what's wrong with deadlines on claims? Honestly, giving her 32 hours was being incredibly generous. Claiming takes a second, but a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

Eh? Not at this stage of the game it doesn't, plus stalling a claim is a scumtell in and of itself in most cases, so I prefer to let people act naturally.

[Callandor]

Forgive me for being busy and only being able to do one game at a time, shocking isnt it? And yes, serious question.

no thanks i won't forgive you.

[Callandor]

LLD is the town side of null, but behind [Elsa/Iron/TMN/Jakalope] by a fair bit. I think her initial attack is still extraordinarily poor, backing off isn't really a tell either way as she didn't *really* have much choice once knowing who I was. Eh, she's done some thing I kinda go 'wait what?' at but i have a mild gut town read on her.

No idea why Darox is 3rd party over scum, but whatever.

[Callandor]

As a bonus I also love how he votes Plum but acts like I'm scum. Read his little segment on me :3.

You should start bussing Plum then! Think of the town cred.

[Callandor]

Come on, you lazy 2007ers. Get off your myspace profiles and start-a-votin'. Too many promises of content flying around without any actual content.

UK, if you sheep me on the Plum wagon and she flips scum I promise to look over ironhead again to see if your bussing theory could have a point.

[Callandor]

I've hardly been obnoxious at all, be nice.

[Callandor]

Oh, and re-read the context of what UK said, it's not a slip, I told her to bus her buddy plum.

[Callandor]

Oh, and calm down UK. Play nice like me ^_^

[Callandor]

the morningstar line was hardly needed Uk, stop posting for a bit.

[Callandor]

I hope we get a flash soon where I'm with someone else with Plum so we can quicklynch her.

[Callandor]

Also, the sad part is I'm fairly sure Dram is awful town. Mostly gut, part VERY vague meta I wouldn't use to hold up a feather. So, I think Jason might be our third scum here.

I can't even read jason I'm pretty sure we've ran him up as scum and town in the previous 4 lost games and he's been forced to claim. I could see his posts coming from jason town or scum though I'd probably put him as scum at this stage.

[Callandor]

Darox's post is OK.

Don't remember why I voted you, you were scummy I guess. Actually, I think it was the 'answering questions for spring line' that when I read again just seemed off, not that you were answering the questions itself, just the way you said that twinged my gut.

[Callandor]

what do you think of Plum lld?

[Callandor]

Hmm^

Jason should provide reads when he's NOT SICK too.

[Callandor]

I wanna say UK is obvtown but my gut won't let me, bussing Plum would help though.

[Callandor]

Plum's Jason vote makes me feel better about her, Faraday.

Plum your distancing is working, just fyi. (I didn't find that post overly impressive + there's one scum at least in those who piled on Jakalope [spring/plum/darox] (maybe one more), especially given the players involved and just how

bad

the jump on was

[Callandor]

i want to gut you like a fucking fish.

[Callandor]

what the FUCK are you doing claiming vanilla with 1 vote on you for no reason on page 17 of day 1.

[Callandor]

that was utterly spasticated.

discuss that instead.

[Callandor]

(we can vote Plum now, though)

[Callandor]

you should've stayed in bed with your food poisoning. i wanted reads, not a fucking derp vezok claim.

also, clearly i am Faraday.

anyway, since we have deadweight with his role pm outed, can you paraphrase what made you think that time skips could favor town?

[Callandor]

are you CC me btw?

i suppose i could ask why you aren't reacting more strongly to a possible counter claim but no it was a joke, duh.

[Callandor]

From my role PM, I also get this conclusion that stopping the time skips will help town

booyah, callandor'd

[Callandor]

Darox, can you make a nice little list of your reads from town to scum based on your long post for all of us lazy folks?

[Callandor]

needs moar plum lynch, just fyi.

[Callandor]

HAPPY SCUMDAY CALLANDOR

[Callandor]

tmn should maybe stop talking about things he thinks he shouldn't be talking about.

[Callandor]

^hifive I agree.

ABR should post something useful though, because he's not done anything remotely nearing useful thus far.

[Callandor]

Well actually that's probably a little unfair on him.

[Callandor]

unvote

Calls reaction to my claim seems gen town to me.

...sigh

[Callandor]

Darox tell me I'm not crazy and that Jason is town here, right? despite *everything* he's probably town.

[Callandor]

Vote Callendor

spell my name right ya waste of space

[Callandor]

Pretty sure ABR hasn't managed to vote for a scumbag yet, we might have to kill him at some stage if he continues at this rate.

[Callandor]

MOAR PLUM VOTES

[Callandor]

Sigh. This game.

[Callandor]

It's not like you're gonna get a say in it. Also Jason is town anyway.

[Callandor]

Well you're not confirmed per se, but the fact you think you are means you're town.

[Callandor]

Plum, what's the scum motivation for jason to claim like that?

jason, why did you claim like that? (tnm, hush!) Do you think two scum would pile onto you in such a short period of time? Also, you haven't cleared up that I proved that you did in fact say what you claimed you've never said.

tnm, springlullaby maybe-scum can wait. What's your read of Plum and why haven't you voted her yet?

Vote:ABR

[Callandor]

Uh, no. When?

Link to post.

And you're going to completely ignore the claim and manner of it?? what the fuck

[Callandor]

In other news:

05. While a lynch or kill doesn't send the game into night, it may freeze gameplay in... other ways.

I'm looking at this and I'm thinking we really should find out what it means sooner rather than later.

Yeah, let's push the red button on this Plum lynch.

[Callandor]

THAT'S NOT A LINK

[Callandor]

and I don't think jasonscum plays the vanilla claim like that, he obviously sees himself as confirmed town now, his whole mentality is that of a townie.

[Callandor]

I have also explained how Jason's original post was scum intent through trying to look town by parrotting everything that had previously been said in the thread, and basically IIoA.

So far, have you seen Jason give a real read besides, "People are scum for voting me"?

No?

Wonder why that is.

i'm interested in lynching scum not people playing poorly.

[Callandor]

i'm pretty sure he says he wants to vote me if he could, how is that not a firm stance. bad what? bad scummy? how bloody long ago was that? has your opinion of him changed since then.

why is this like trying to get blood from a stone

as far as i'm concerned his parroting pants on headness is no worse than the original pants on headness from you and tnm anyway.

[Callandor]

This is uninteresting.

[Callandor]

Come out and play, Plum. Lynching lurker scum is only half the fun.

And, jason, help me wipe away my doubts about you by answering my questions from a couple of pages ago.

[Callandor]

Uh, sure.

I'm a little weirded out by your explanation though, you certainly

show

no signs of frustration or hot headedness in the post you claim; it's almost like it was thrown out there was a talking point --> 'Discuss'. Eh.

EBWOP: yes, but admittedly you did already think you were DEAD in Season 2.

[Callandor]

Plum, as fascinating as the Mind Screw Queue is, maybe you could add to your total of 5 posts here instead.


Or you can die.


Kill her.

[Callandor]

Oh?

How curious, how very curious as Mr. Ollivander might say.

[Callandor]

*oh well

[Callandor]

HUH HOW ABOUT WE STOP TRYING TO GET MODKILLED LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING RETARDS.

[Callandor]

MOD: REQUESTING YOU PUT THE TOWN WIN CON IN THE FIRST POST SO WE CAN GO BACK TO PLAYING MAFIA

[Callandor]

No but seriously, how is Jason town?

the above exchange is townish.

[Callandor]

like i'm 80% sure jason believes everything he's saying and believes he's confirmed town here.

[Callandor]

TMN, put your vote on Plum, we can discuss Spring another day.

[Callandor]

LLD, vote Plum.

[Callandor]

Clearly a very serious case of food poisoning!

[Callandor]

Reck, another flash, please. I don't wanna sit idly around here with Tarewet while all the others have fun lynching Plum. I want her blood on my fingers!

[Callandor]

This is all incredibly dumb and I get the feeling this game will be immensely frustrating to read from the dead quicktopic.

[Callandor]

@ Jason

Spoiler:

Say Plum

[Callandor]

Those reads are OK.

[Callandor]

I have also changed Call from scum to town.

pretty grateful for that. nice to be appreciated

[Callandor]

UK is quite manly, I agree.

[Callandor]

Woah. A bit forward and this isn't Guys Part 2.

[Callandor]

I am being nice, that was clearly a joke.


No thanks on the Plum stuff, I'll let you find your own road lonely wanderer. Making cases just allows her to have something to come back to respond to, let's have her keep fakescumhunting.

[Callandor]

That's nice TNM. You know, mafia involves a lot of INDEPENDENT analysis. How about you look harder or something? Then again I doubt someone of your caliber will ever figure it out. Though hey, start from there. That's a pretty solid reason to vote her! Why don't you?

He only asked

TMN, put Plum at L-1. If she gets in a Flash with me I'll hammer her without a claim, so this way she gets a chance to stop avoiding posting here and

claim

die.

[Callandor]

Oh they are but a Plum/Uk/Faraday pairing is possible!

[Callandor]

Ironhead was viewing the thread earlier too. Just fyi.

[Callandor]

I'm not ingoring your reads I just don't think Jason is scum. Who are your other scum reads?

[Callandor]

Poor Plum. Caught by her first seven words.

Since mafia don't seem to die, but rather are left behind in time zones, I don't want anybody lynched between 1945 and 1977 (when Jughead is on the island and not filled in concrete yet).

Time to find Plum's buddies. Faraday, your turn.

[Callandor]

NOW MAYBE YOU FUCKS WILL START SHEEPING.

[Callandor]

ABR - look at his vote history. fucking disgusting. get out or get lynched, it'd be a mercy kill given your reads.
LLD - that almost looks too bad to be a bus, but her interactions with plum are lolnonexistant/bad
UK - BUSSED PLUM INTO THE GROUND, GG.
TMN - TOWNIER THAN YOU
JAKALOPE - LOLTOWN,GET OUT
CALLANDOR - BUSSED PLUM
IRONHEAD - had him as town for a secret reason, not as sure now.
spring - dat hammer. didn't like the reasons for it, really. plum wasn't scum because she stalled.

Jason. The plum vote on him looks like a horrible distancing attempt tbh. Buttttttt I still kinda think jason is town.

darox could be scum too i guess, but i like him and stuff.

[Callandor]

oh, dramonic is playing. dramonic is not scum via the interactions on page 1 imo. PLUM TRYING TOO HARD WAS PLUM TRYING TOO HARD.

[Callandor]

How as tnm killed in 1452 when he was in 2007? Reck, is that correct?

[Callandor]

Maybe I'm scum. Maybe I'm not. Who can know except for me and the cop.

Well we'll find out when the mod tells us

[Callandor]

ABR keep giving your reads though so I can enjoy ignoring them.

[Callandor]

Plum's scum flip lowers my opinion of UK a bit.

I think Elsa's town, so if Ironhead was to be town as I suspect I'm a little worried about the fact she was more reluctant to vote Plum than the other two.

[Callandor]

So that flip makes Darox town. Just FYI.

why

[Callandor]

Plum's Jason vote makes me feel better about her, Faraday.

OH, btw. This indicates you actually felt bad about Plum, yet wherewherewherewherewhere did you say it?

[Callandor]

SL is scum, I think.

[Callandor]

I will note with hilarity Plum attacks that one point in my Ironhead case completely ignoring the further stuff I've pulled up on him as of late. Way to failsaw, Plum!

Saw it and thought it was mostly a matter of interpretation; yours is legitimate enough, I suppose, but I see it as a fair amount of theory-playstyle clashing here going on, to be honest. The point of yours I actually thought was baseless - and the one where I directly disagreed with you on the read on Ironhead to take from the information (Ironhead scummy for the way he brought up stopping the time jumps vs. Ironhead moderately Townish for doing so and some of the ensuing corroborating information).

This is interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

[Callandor]

Stop spamming the thread foolish hydra

get on my level, boy.

[Callandor]

@Callandor: SL scum is entirely possible. I don't remember anything of value from her and recall her avoiding the Plum vote for no apparent reason.

Plum also asks her an extemely fluffy question in her Iso, that seems like the type of shitty question one would ask a scumbuddy.

[Callandor]

Also lynch --> kill was fairly intuitive, I thought.

[Callandor]

Never mind, re-read his ISO I see what you mean.

[Callandor]

LOL WHAT

TMN being a vig shot is ridiculous

[Callandor]

why would the mafia have killed LLD

tmn was obvfuckingtown. no one vigged him because no one is that much of an utter spastic.

[Callandor]

Ironhead is still town, last post makes it more obvious.

[Callandor]

Plum's scum flip lowers my opinion of UK a bit.

How so? I was much more suspicious of UK before Plum flipped scum. Since UK was an early supporter of the Plum lynch, I think it portrays her in a better light.

look at her willingness to vote plum versus her other 2 suspects.

[Callandor]

You, actually. ABR, maybe. Callandor, definitely. Myself, maybe.

But, we'll see if it was a scum kill or not later. I'm still fairly sure it's a vig. I mean, hell, if I didn't think TNM was town I'd totes N1 Vig him.

@Callandor: What about LLD Vig, Jason Vig, or dram vig? Citing LLD was basically a juxtaposition for how awful the TNM kill was. Sure, he was obvtown, but he sure as fuck wasn't useful in any possible way.

Given this playerlist, I don't think a dumb vig is that far out.

dram would have shot someone like you, lolz. jason claimed vt??? lld isn't that dumb.

Cut by Callan: No, he isn't. Quit being dumb.

yeah my reads are just *so* off, how can I help it.

[Callandor]

also fuck calling me dumb when your elsa wagon was derailed for a plum scum lynch, fuck that.

[Callandor]

LLD's reads are pretty good.

I'm actually on ironhead for set-up related reasons, as if he's doing what I *think* he's doing I find it unlikely he's town, but maybe he's not.

[Callandor]

CALLED HER BUT WERE VOTING TOWNIES. Elsa was never scummy, really.

And no this is all the same person posting, lmao.

[Callandor]

I know! I like to change my mind!

I don't want to lynch him for a bit, SL looks more scummy.

[Callandor]

You shouldn't be tired! This is fun!

[Callandor]

I bet my suspicion of UK is something of a discussion in the scum qt. They;re wondering 'fuck maybe they'll turn on each other'

[Callandor]

OH, FUCK.

scum do probably have daytalk, this makes jason's...thing less solid actually, I could see him being coached in that. hmm.

[Callandor]

OH, FUCK.

scum do probably have daytalk, this makes jason's...thing less solid actually, I could see him being coached in that. hmm.

Except that still requires Jason being able to crossbus on Plum.

Plum's vote looked like LOLDISTANCING to me, was it obvious she was going down at that point?

[Callandor]

Meh, jason's prob town. damn paranoia.