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Hello everyone. I will be reading this game now.
Only 15 pages? Let's see if I can't fix that~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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First things first.
UnvoteYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin wrote:malpascp wrote:NK IS MINE MUHAHAHA
really who the heck is bidding for setup information?
You may be kidding about this, but the most common folks after NK will be in fact mafia. So this makes me kinda churn, even in no votes on NKx1 yet.
vote: malpascp
Vote: Ghostlin
This is something I can see scum doing. Ghostlin is absolutely 100% correct in saying the scum would like the NK.
But as town, wouldn't you like to have that vig shot, if not just to steal it from scum, but also to be able to shoot at your top suspects?
Malpascp is town for this post, and people should be voting Ghostlin for this. There is MASSIVE scum intent behind it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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ChaosOmega, Hiphop: You will explain why your are voting town!Mal in your next post.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin wrote:Seacore wrote:Yeah, me asking questions to better understand the roles, that's so scummy. If I was scum, I'd probably just be discussing the roles with my buddies in QT.
Speaking of which, while scum will have more cash, there's likely only 3 of them. So lets assume 9v3 (allowing for a 3rd party of some kind). They'd have to have x3 the money we have, which is possible, but they'd have to go crazy with it.
I agree that somebody should throw down a 99 bid on the NK, just to make them bid more.
Also, while I like the already proposed questions for the Set up Knowledge, the one that I want everybody to ask is "Are there more than two different win conditions amongst the PMs?" Then we can fuck around with the money questions.
I agree with this, and am kicking around an idea: I'm thinking, for the sake of knowing exactly who has it,that any protown player that ends up with NKx1 should claim it so we can dictate how it should be used(sort of like a second lynch). If no one comes forward, it'd be safer to say scum snapped it up. If the person who gets it doesn't follow our instructions, the idea that they might be scum would bemore likely.
I'm not sure that would work, however.
This reads as scum afraid that town might get the NK, and wanting to control it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin wrote:Seacore wrote:Apologies for the triple post, but you'd all best get used to it.
NK isn't the only ability that should be claimed
Night Kill
Governor
Investigation Immunity
Extra Vote
Vote Nullifier
these should all be claimed, as they are stronger in the hands of an unknown scum than in the hands of an unknown town.
The rest, should stay hush hush.
Totally open for discussion.
Agree with the first three. The last two I'm queasy about incase scum do get the NK and don't claim, we could be making it easier for scum to kill off abilites that could be useful, particularly if muitiple use.
Big surprise here, scum!Ghostlin wants to keep the vote manipulation powers hidden.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Seacore wrote:Due to the fact that there is a sample PM, claiming cash will not out scum. It may out special town roles though, so no.
This is town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ethos wrote:LLD, Ghostlin is cop and near confirmed town to be honest. It is confirmed that mafia sniped at investigation immunity at the end of yesterday meaning that they feared cops investigation or wanted to remove a chance of having cleared players. This essentially means that they themselves didn't hold cop, therefore Ghostlin is town.
I don't see how this makes Ghostlin town.
First off, this assumes that scum was 100% on getting the cop investigation?
Secondly, this assumes that scum would not benefit from having the cop ability?
Thirdly, this assumes that scum wouldn't take the investigation immunity AND the cop ability to achieve just this reaction? The fact that the scum can co-ordinate their purchases makes this likely.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Seacore wrote:Okay I just got my answer. So as you'll recall, my questions was
"Are there more than two different win conditions among the role PMs sent to players?"
My answer was in theaffirmative(just in case quoting = copying a one word answer)
So, there's the win condition in the Entrepreneur Role PM. Then there's the scum one. Then there's at least one more.
Unless there's a hole in my question, but I think I've covered it.
So, that could mean there's a 3rd party. Or it could mean that members of one of the other two factions have a different worded win con. So if you're town and not an Entrepreneur, check your win con. Don't answer anything in thread, but eventually, I might want to know.
Tomorrow I might as about how many people are in the same faction as the Mafia Zaibatsu Member.
Also, this.
This all but confirms that there are likely 2 scum teams.
Unless you want to say there is a third party serial killer (which I don't see as likely).
So why WOULDN'T scum want a cop?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is still ignoring the all but confirmed multi scum factor?
Don't tell me you don't see the same thing I see. I mean, Ghostlin was your top scum read on Page 4 or so.
Assuming 2 scum teams for a moment, do you still see Ghostlin as confirmed town?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ethos wrote:Seacore, here is the question you need:
"Are there three or more factions consisting of at least two people?"
That will tell us whether its 2/2/8 or not.
Fine, we can wait a day on Ghostlin, provided that Seacore asks this question of the mod tonight.
If the answer comes back as "Yes", promise me you lend me your vote and help me lynch Ghostlin!scum tomorrow.
If no, I will yield to you and agree that Ghostlin is near confirmed town.
In the spirit of the marketplace, are you willing to make this deal with me?
Regardless, I agree that Ghostlin isn't the play for today anyway.Unvote;
Let me read some more.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:ChaosOmega, Hiphop: You will explain why your are voting town!Mal in your next post.
This still applies.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You don't see why scum would want to have someone who bid on THE KILL lynched? Their main competition for the kill + the potential of the kill being used against them?
Further, you don't see why scum, should they miss out on the kill, would want to have "the town vote on who to kill"? It's a manipulation tactic to avoid having the scum get shot by what essentially amounts to a vig.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Further, you quoted my post, but not the post that it was referencing....
Hmm, I;m going to have to read you in isolation.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hey Reg, here's what I have so far.
RC is town, you are town, Mal is town, Seacore is town.
Ghostlin is scum, but our deal so not today.
I feel uneasy about Hiphop and ChaosOmega, but I doubt highly that they are BOTH scum.
I want to read IceGuy again, his posting is pretty bad. Not sure if scum or just bad.
I read Newman as null, but I'll read him more carefully in light of his wagon.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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HellloooNewman wrote:Two things:
- Forgot who brought I up,but a SK is highly unlikely in this setup.Considering he'd have to buy his kill and all.
- Random thought. Mass claim amount of starting cash?
This is interesting.
Newman, what led you to this train of thought?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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HellloooNewman wrote:Why do you feel an SK is a possibility? Seems almost too obvious to me that there isn't.
And again... I can see maybe once, but to continue pushing it?
If there's an SK in the setup, as opposed to just 2 scum teams, this is it.
So, in my mind: One of Newman and Ghostlin is scum. Guaranteed.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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HellloooNewman wrote:As I stated, I was unaware of Hiphop bidding on NK as well. I thought that NK was likely to be bid on by scum, and I wanted to keep it away from them. I figured, as I had invested money, that I may have had enough to win it outright, if not I would at least drive the price up on the scum.
Had I won it, I would have claimed it in thread, and used it as a de-facto 2nd lynch (voting on who I used it on).
Ok, I understand the Newman wagon now. The only issue is... who is he scum with? If he's SK like I think, then this isn't a problem...
But if it is as I suspect... and there are two scum teams... who is he connected to?
His WLC vote was pretty damn bad... there;s a bussing potential there? Beyond that, he actually has NO CONNECTIONS to anyone else left in the game. Not that I can see.
P-Edit: Regfan, remember PYP? What point was there to scum taking Goon Cop? It's the same motivation. It's actually FURTHERED, since Oracle's not a provable claim... and if there IS an SK, they probably have extra abilities. (They would need them to survive this game).Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Vig Voting and Vig direction allows the scum to manipulate the vig into killing town.
And it means that you can't read based on kills.
I agree 100% with the person who won Vig CLAIMING. But I would advocate them shooting their scum reads. Town directing vigs is never a good idea.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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And I'm not trying to get into a fight about the rest of PYP with you. I'm merely referencing that the scum in that game took a role that was never expect of them, exactly FOR that purpose.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Regfan, I'm curious. Who are your top scum reads?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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What do you think of ChaosOmega?
-His ISO is 10 posts.
-2 of those are votes for Mal, one on each new day.
- None of his other posts really explain his votes.
I'll look into those 4.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Go right ahead and waste your investigation.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Seacore wrote:Unvote. Vote Midnight Sorrow
Lets get this wagon on the move. MS has lied in thread and hasn't come back to clarify. Let's kill now, hope that hip hop takes out Newman or Icey and all gain our bonuses.
I'm happy with what Lady is bringing to the game, although I disagree on some points, but that's fine.
Also, just to clarify, I ask my questions during the Day, not the Night.
With that being said, lets move this to a lynch.
You are a glorious town read for me SOOOOOO
What parts/points do you disagree with and why? I'm always happy to have input on my reads from my other town reads. Discussion is the town's greatest weapon etc.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hiphop, your vote today seems to suggest that you would kill Mal given the shot tonight.
Obviously, I am in favor of vigs showing their true colors by choosing who they shoot on their own with no mafia influence.
HOWEVER, I would like to note that I do nut understand your scum read on Mal.
I would like you (and ChaosOmega) to answer my original question of "Why are you voting for Mal?" before this day is over.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Seacore wrote:I disagree mainly with your thoughts on whether the town should direct the NK.
I think it should.
Yes the scum get 'input', but they get input on the lynching and we get to learn more info that way, while still having accountability.
Hell, we know I'm town, how about I direct the NK every night? How's that for a compromise? It forces our NK winners to do what I say or claim scum, and we know the scum aren't influencing the decision.
I see your points on Ghostlin, but I'm just not convinced. Yet anyway.
This is something I considered. Kingmaker style.
If everyone agreed upon sending a transfer of funds to Seacore TODAY, so that they arrive for him TOMORROW, and he can purchase the NK himself, this would keep it out of the hands of scum.
And then you can discuss options. Discussing options is fine, so long as the choice is YOUR OWN and you can defend it once you pull the trigger.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Who would you kill, given the option today?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hip, mal town is a STRONG gut read for me. I want to know your reasons for why he's scum?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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IceGuy wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vig Voting and Vig direction allows the scum to manipulate the vig into killing town.
And it means that you can't read based on kills.
Reading kills is unreliable and pretty useless. Vig voting gives us a second lynch vote which we badly need, given the Newman and Midnight inconsistencies.
Ethos wrote:My strongest scum read is Icey by far, his actions throughout today have included obvious contradictions, changing of reads with minimal reasoning and insistence that Newman is scum when he was very quick to drop suspicion of Newman earlier in the day when the wagon seemed like it might die down.
I didn't drop suspicion of him. I just changed my vote because of your chainsaw defense of Newman, and because he had an explanation which seemed consistent at the time being.
HellloooNewman wrote:
I brought up my feelings on the lack of an SK twice, because it was brought up twice. I feel that an SK is unlikely due to the setup. An SK has an adherent disadvantage from the get go. He can't die and win (as town/scum can). He has to kill EVERYONE else. To offset that disadvantage, he gets unlimited NK's. If he has to bid every day for a NK, then his chances of winning become almost none (IMO).
Since somebody can steal money, maybe we have a "robber" who doesn't need to kill and/or survive, but simply amass a certain amount of money at some point.
hiphop wrote:If I get the kill, I am not killing newman. Catching up.
hiphop wrote:Because I don't think he is scum.
How can he NOT be scum? He invented a bid history and had to continuously change it so it fits the example PM, and then there's this:
HellloooNewman wrote:
Yes I lied. I have come clean about everything. The "deleting of mod PMs" was a part of my lie. I was frustrated at the time, yadda yadda.
If he lied about deleting mod PMs, why didn't he just get his bids, investments, etc. from them, at least after we called him out for his first lie? I already explained why his "mistakes" aren't honest mistakes.
Anyway, Newman is scum, Midnight is if he doesn't give a very good explanation,and at least one of LLD and Ethos is.
Vote: IceGuy
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IceGuy wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:So, I OMGUS'd the 3rd or 4th one on my wagon?
You OMGUS'd the only person on your wagon who isn't conftown.
See, this is what I'm worried about.
Bobsnox (aka the person I replaced) was on the wagon at this time. Which is something Ethos so graciously pointed out for you in his next post.
You are effectively calling Bob confirmed town in this post. How does one go from "confirmed town" to "one of these two is scum"?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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+1 scum points to IceGuy for the "OMGUS" routine.
This isn't about you calling ME scum in particular.
You are indicating a connection between myself and Ethos, in which one of us is scum.
How do you explain the connection?
Further, OMGUS is a buzz word that scum uses to deflect town pressure back onto them. Sorry.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Also, your argument that NK analysis when the KILLER IS KNOWN is "WIFOM" only makes me feel worse about you.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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ITT Ghostlin misreps me and misses the entire point of my idea.
Further, in his post he agrees that Seacore is town, further contradiction himself considering that my post was about trusting Seacore.
If you're town, you need to seriously check the way you play this game.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GREYYYYYYY-KUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin wrote:Also, you NOT voting MS is stalling the town--which is lowering town's bonus. In fact, the 4 or 5 folks not voting or voting for someone NOT MS need to get their heads in the game and vote MS so town can get some kind of efficiency bonus.
Congrats, I don't want to rush a day because there's still info to be had.
Besides, MS just got replaced. YOU are scummy for now PUSHING THIS LYNCH and not waiting for Grey to replace and potentially answer the questions.
God damn this "cop claim" bullshit. If this were a normal game I'd have you nailed to the fucking wall right now.
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Not gonna spoon feed you GI. Do the re-read.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You scum, Grey-kun? ;-;Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm still up fr a Ghostlin lynch today.
Hell, I'll do this. I'm prepared to stake my reputation on this lynch. If Ghostlin is town, you can lynch me tomorrow. I will transfer all my Money to Seacore and you can lynch me.
I'm nOt wrong about this. There's no way Ghostlin is town.
Unvote; Vote: Ghostlin
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malpascp wrote:Damn it, it seems that Ghostlin is even more obvscum than HM did.
Well, when I read #456, I was just thrilled: yepeeee, we got scum.
Altough, GreyICE's lynch preferability order has a flaw: this can be covering up for a buddy. Still, I had the same read on Ghostlin. He should be today's lynch.
And his updates on his thread reading always referred Ghostlin. Is there some reason why you focused so much on him since the early pages?
One more thing: was Ghostlin's vote on MS the hammer? It seemed so...
Unvotefor now
First off, no. MS was at L-2 when Ghostlin voted. GI is at L-1 now.
Er, Sorry. L-2. Ethos unvoted him.
Secondly, this post is awkward. You call Ghostlin obvscum and say he should be today's lynch...
Yet I see no vote for Ghostlin in this post...Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Further, 190$ was stolen from the Auction at a time earlier. Remember that Ethos?
You believe scum did that. Why couldn't this have been caused by that?
Or if this didn't cause that, why can't scum have other manipulation abilities too?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin wrote:Oh, and the scum right now? It's Grey/HN/LLD. Believe it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PLEASE FLAIL SOME MORE.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Not voting (3): PeregrineV, hiphop, malpascp
You could be voting Scum Ghostlin.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ghostlin, that logic for suspecting me is total bullshit. Good job flailing though.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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That's L-1, for those who care.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.
We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GreyICE wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.
We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.
Oh no, a scumbag could protect a townie from the night kill.
Plox don't tell me you actually think seacore is scum hun... I know you're paranoid, but I just don't think that's true.
I don't. Seacore is town ALL the way to the bank.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hahahahahahahahaha.
Called it. IceGuy:Ghostlin as scum. Likely working together.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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They both flipped red?
Unless you mean Cartel/Zeujddjdjejd are different?
In which case, HN is most likely last scum.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh, that makes sense.
And it files with my original theory!
I was FUCKING RIGHT!
Vote: Newman
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That reminds me.
Scum!Ghostlin gives Last Will to RC?!?
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Cross bussing? It's viable, considering that yesterday was going to be MS untilGI replaced in.
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hiphop wrote:I killed Iceguy. I will be back in a couple of hours.
No shit....Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Guys, I am going to take Gravedigger. Anyone outbidding me on Gravedigger WILL BE FOUND OUT.
/softclaimYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Well, I guess I'll claim this.
I have an Auction Investigator power. That'll help us find out if teh scums are outbidding us~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ethos wrote:There is so much win in this thread my nuts hurt.
Last scum is almost surely between Pere and Chaos,I have a gut town read on maland so does Reg.
GEE, WHO WAS SAYING THIS ALL YESTERDAY.
AND WHO WAS CONSTANTLY QUESTIONED FOR IT?
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OH BTW.
NO ONE IS TO BID ON THE BLIND BID POWER.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I've got GraveDigger Ethos.
GI, you should take the BulletProof. Keep it out of scum hands/Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Who's bidding on the BP?
P-Edit: Not really Mal. There's only 1 scum left vs. 9 town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'll be back later guys. This game is pretty much in handYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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- Location: formerly in a Rage
Ethos wrote:Can we just lynch Pere already.
If we lynch Newman tomorrow.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Posts: 25202
- Joined: August 31, 2010
- Pronoun: She/Faer
- Location: formerly in a Rage
My List of Suspects
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Scum
HN
Chaos(He was weird yesterday too.)
Peregrin
VoidedMafia
Mal
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GreyICE/SeaCore/Ethos
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Hiphop
TOWNYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Posts: 25202
- Joined: August 31, 2010
- Pronoun: She/Faer
- Location: formerly in a Rage
Advertise the Gravedigger.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
-
Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Rise of the Phoenix
- Posts: 25202
- Joined: August 31, 2010
- Pronoun: She/Faer
- Location: formerly in a Rage