Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[IceGuy]

Hi. Reading the thread, reads coming soon.

[IceGuy]

Limbo players (ordered from "no revive" to "revive"):

bobsnox: He's been giving me scum vibes (mostly lurking and no-content posts) all over the place. The role claim seems real, but it doesn't confirm his alignment, and the role seems much more anti-town than pro-town. Basically, the ideal time for him to be revived would be a situation where if his claim was real, town would win instantly, and if it isn't, town still wouldn't lose immediately.

Bub Bidderskins: Neutral leaning scum. I don't like how he basically states the obvious in every post, which makes him seem towny yet doesn't really contribute anything.

AntB: Lurk, lurk, one sentence post, lurk, lurk. At least he expresses original thoughts. Neutral.

MrTrow: Genuine townhunter, town, but his predecessor Awesoma seemed scummy. Could be simply newb though.

StrangerCoug: Genuine townhunter, town.

malpascp: Seems to be genuinely townhunting. The "becomes ineligible for the vote" thing sounds like a scum power, and nobody in the thread openly expressed suspicions on him, so the impenetrable aura is a towntell. I can't, however, put my finger on who made the "vote bridge" or what it should achieve. Town.

Regarding the living players: I don't think Pom is obvscum. As I mentioned, the impenetrable aura is likely a scum power, and it was already around D2. On the other hand, when reading their posts, Pom is BY FAR the scummiest; ToastyToast and Packbat both seem town. Actually, ToastyToast seems less town in most of the posts but #304 is a major townslip.

[IceGuy]

The inegibility thing was already claimed...

Could you point me to this post? I must have missed it, and I can't find anything searching for "ineligible", "impenetrable" or "aura".

[IceGuy]

I'm also a Townie.

[IceGuy]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Anyway, this confirms my reads.

Inofficial Vote: StrangerCoug.

[IceGuy]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Pom gets revived. Right after Pom is revived, crypto's vote is stolen and given to malpascp - and both Pom and malpascp immediately vote for Bub Bidderskins.

Yeah, but malpascp always claimed he was going to vote for Bub. So I can imagine that scum chose him as "useful idiot".

[IceGuy]

That's a good reason to not revive you.

[IceGuy]

I'd pretty much shoot anyone against reviving me right now, honestly.

That's an even better reason to not revive you.

I feel like under the circumstances both at the time I claimed and at this point justify reviving me.

No, they don't. When you mis-shoot, you have eliminated a win condition for town. We're only going to revive you if we have a pretty much confirmed scum we need to get rid of.

[IceGuy]

Since I missed it last time:

I'm totally baffled by all the VT claims. I don't get why scum would pick malp, who they knew was going to vote for me. It just seems like a surefire way to get a townie revived. As to who we should revive tomorrow, I'm really not enthused by any of the current players in limbo. I'm really confused by my malp read right now. He seems like scum to me, but he's voting for me which doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective.

Bub, no word on why you've basically claimed scum?

From what I see in CDBs last message, we must have some sort of vigilante or sleeper vigilante who either doesn't know or isn't claiming.

I don't see how CDB implies this. And a "sleeper vig" sounds like a very strange concept. Though, on the other hand, it's strange that town seems to have absolutely no means to kill a living player.

[IceGuy]

I'd be OK with both revives.

[IceGuy]

@Mod

: IG is not voting Bub, I am

Well, I did forget to italicise it, but technically, it's his vote you're using. -Mod

Get my/your vote on SC already. You're still voting scum.

[IceGuy]

What the FUCK.

[IceGuy]

Anyway, why haven't I been revived yet?

Because you're scum.

[IceGuy]

Could either of you do/say something game-related?

I've already said what needs to be said.

Unfortunately, malpascp has my vote, put it on Bub and went on V/LA, so we can't continue.

[IceGuy]

The only reason anybody thinks I'm scum is because of

my obvious fakeclaim

.

FTFY

IceGuy:

you are the town player most likely to survive to tomorrow. If Bub Bidderskins is revived and ToastyToast is shot, are you willing to vote for bobsnox?

I'm still suspicious of bobsnox, for two reasons:
1. I don't doubt his Purger claim. I just fail to see why this is necessarily a

town

power role.
2. If he is town, I'm not convinced of him being calm enough to be not trigger-happy and shoot a town player, thus eliminating one of our win conditions.

Taking into account my current reads, I'd vote him over malpascp, but I'd prefer all remaining three limbo players over him. Especially since I hope one of them is an unclaimed town vig and can get rid of Pom and Bub.

(Note that as long as ToastyToast is alive, he can jinx malpascp, meaning that it is only the day after his death that we are

forced

to revive bobsnox.)

What about AntB, MrTrow or StrangerCoug?

[IceGuy]

I'd say that there's better than one-in-three odds that bobsnox is genuine right off the bat.

It's not just about the odds that he is genuine, it's what happens when he misfires. If he misfires, we've lost. We are never going to get more than three townies alive at the same time as long as scum can kill, and unless there are only six townies or less, which is VERY unlikely, this means we can't satisfy the "half of the town players alive" win condition.

And since Bub and Pom are pretty much confirmed scum but malpascp is only very likely scum, I'm inclined to err on the side of caution.

[IceGuy]

If malpascp were town, malpascp would notice that Pomegranate was scum. If any of the first three revived was the vote-stealer, then they would have stolen the vote and won immediately (if they were scum) or not stolen the vote until there was likely scum in the town (if they were town and the ability was one-shot) or stolen the vote of the most likely scumbag every day (if they were town and the ability was unlimited). And ToastyToast is the Jinxer, so he can't be the vote-stealer.

Given this, if malpascp were town, malpascp would have unvoted.

It's (almost) confirmed the vote-stealing power is a scum power, since it wasn't claimed. It likely rests with Pomegranate. I assume you can either give the vote not to yourself or only to a player in limbo, so she couldn't give the vote to herself. Now malpascp has already claimed he wanted to revive Bub. There are two possibilities, since a Pom flip as "Scum Vote Stealer" or whatever would immediately make malpascp suspicious:
- malpascp is scum and prepared in advance so he doesn't have to explain why he's suddenly voting Bub.
- malpascp is town, thinks Bub is also town for some reason and was selected by Pom as an "useful idiot".

[IceGuy]

This goes for IceGuy too. Unless someone in town comes up with a better game plan, we

have

to commit to reviving bobsnox.

As I mentioned, I'd rather revive a vig or a "limbo-vig" (can move a player from "living" to "limbo").

[IceGuy]

If one exists and claims, sure. Does one exist? Has one claimed?

I don't know if one exists, but it seems strange to me that town should have absolutely no possibility to kill a living player. And if one exists, he probably thought it's better if he doesn't claim at this stage, because it would make him a prime target for scum.

[IceGuy]

Scum can't kill people in limbo, and if we revived him, he could kill one living scum before they took him out - and that would tip the living players in favor of town again.

Exactly, that's why we're going to need him.

Mod: What happens when two players have the same number of votes at deadline?

[IceGuy]

Scum can't kill people in limbo, and if we revived him, he could kill one living scum before they took him out - and that would tip the living players in favor of town again.

Exactly, that's why we're going to need him.

I don't think you understand me. If such a town PR existed, the player should have claimed already. They only need to survive long enough to make one nightkill.

When we claimed, it was not already clear that we are in this situation.

[IceGuy]

If a town vigilante of any kind claims, we can talk about reviving that player instead. Given that the only claimed town killing role is bobsnox, however,

and given that a quickhammered tie is needed to beat out scum

, will you vote for bobsnox if

no

such role exists?

As he is our last hope in this case, I would.

[IceGuy]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but unless a miracle happens (i.e. we have an unclaimed doctor/RB/vig, or there are less than three scum, or several scum factions), we've already lost.

We're currently at 3:1.
Scum forces Bub revive, 3:2.
Scum NK's ToastyToast, 2:2.
ToastyToast's last jinx goes to malpascp.
One of town's votes will be switched to scum.
With four scum: Scum forces fourth scum revive, 2:3, GG.
With three scum: Scum forces a non-bobsnox revive, 3:2.
Scum NK's, 2:2.
One of town's votes will be switched to scum.
Scum forces malpascp revive, 2:3, GG.

Actually, there is another possibility: the vote switch was a one-shot power. In this case, scum would have to be fast enough to get the first two votes.
So as soon as Day 4 breaks, everybody votes bobsnox

immediately

. No discussion, no other votes.

[IceGuy]

malp, when you read this, get my vote on bobsnox. Failure to do so will be treated as a scum claim.

[IceGuy]

I'm not an idiot. Bub is defenitivelly town.

Last chance. Get my vote off Bub or be purged by bobsnox.

[IceGuy]

@Mod: Request Prod: Pomegranate

[IceGuy]

Maybe because she isn't -.-

I don't see an unvote.

[IceGuy]

So...I basically replaced into a game I had already lost.

Anyway, I like the mechanic and would play another Reverse Mafia.

That's probably too much of a departure from the original, but what about the following setup?
- There is only "dead" and "alive".
- In the beginning, everybody is dead.
- On Day 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 everybody can vote to revive. The role and alignment of a revived player is revealed in-thread.
- On Day 1 and successive days, only the living players can vote for revival. Revived players flip as before.
- Nightless.
- Win condition: more than half of the total town players alive for town, all scum players alive for scum.

Balance and add power roles as necessary.

[IceGuy]

EBWOP: Town win condition is a little too easy, should probably also be something like "all town players alive".

[IceGuy]

IceGuy:
That would limit the voting-power of revived scum to quickhammer only.
Also it would make powerroles (assuming no roleblockers) way more powerfull, or roleblockers insanely powerfull.
Or were you considering to make the most powers limbo(dead)-only?

Yes (i.e. they can only be used by players who are alive, but only on players who are still dead), but scum should have a roleblocker to avoid claim-revive scenarios.