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Hi folks! I can't say I didn't expect this, since I replaced in because the signup thread said it would be a challenge. Didn't even check the player list, so I'm pleasantly surprised to see some of you (HI LLD)
Apparently I now need to read the rules with an actuarial table.
Um... so far I haven't read anything besides page 19, but Ghostlin and LLD are town. Totally.
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Can someone give me a five minute rundown of the case? I'll do the best I can to answer any role related stuff, but on the 'whose scum, whose town' shit, it's going to take a reread.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Fair beans.
We pay money and bid on abilities, I assume? Is this any more meaningful than PYP numbers, or is it another silly system that's safer to ignore?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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MS bid as follows:
$30 - Governor
$55 - Cop
$97 - Cop
Never won.
I currently have $97, and a "paycheck" balance of $65 I can take a "payday loan" from.
BTW, whoever has the governor should immediately use it and burn it if they haven't already. See MPM and ASOS for details.
Reread is up to page 5, but chuck Ghostlin in the firm neutral. He was the first person to do the "I have no interest in the NK, look at me obvtown" bit. Top of page 3. I think I need to understand the mechanics better to understand what's going on more, but I recognize a scummy 'look I so town' post when I see it.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You scum, Grey-kun? ;-;
Not this time
I'd ask about you, but I really don't have to.
Vote: Ghostlin
He's just terrible at this point in my reread. Every post is like 'look at me helping the town by... having vaguely town sounding concerns.'
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Ethos wrote:GI, do you have any knowledge of MS bidding on Ninja and succeeding or failing? I currently hold Governor and I have no intention of chucking a Benmage with it however if everyone believes it's best to burn it now I'll do so.
We're not lynching Ghostlin today, it's a big no-no, he has one more cop inspection. We let him use that tonight and then proceed to work forward from there depending on the answer to the question Seacore asks.
I'll PM the mod to check, but this thing was in a bloody table format with dollar deductions and tallies, I'd be surprised if Magua made an error.
*twitch* at the idea of letting scum live.
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Ghostlin wrote:What inconsistency?
Either Midnight posted his bidmuchtoo late for it to matter, he's mistaken about the amount he bid, or he's lying about bidding (or what he bid for) Cop.
I don't see how me winning a bid when I bid $99+$1 on an auction means much of anything to alter the any of the three above since the mod just said the closing bid was correct.
Magua wrote:Ghostlin wrote:Mod: Was there an error? If you could fix my balance to show the correct amount, then maybe we can get this cleared up?
The ending bid of $95 for 1. Cop x 2 from D1 is correct.
Look at this. These are the simple facts people:
1) MS claimed to bid $97. I know for a fact this is true.
2) Ghostlin claimed to win the cop x2 with $99+1.
3) Moderator said $95 is correct.
Got that?
I'm down with waiting for tomorrow, but only if we agree that tomorrow goes one of two ways:
1) I get lynched
2) Ghostlin gets lynched.
THAT IS IT. THERE ARE MOD CONFIRMED LIES IN THE ABOVE.
Now here's why you should be lynching Ghostlin and not me.
None. MS bid $97. Scum used some sort of power to either cancel the bid and display $95, or win the bid for $95. I don't know which, frankly I don't care. Ghostlin waited for anyone to claim a higher bid, and when he didn't see anyone doing that, he posted his claim. He panicked when he saw the post from MS, and then fakeclaimed a higher amount, then when he was corrected, posted some bullshit about "OOOH FUCKING MYSTERIES LA LA LA WELL ITS SO STRANGE WELL ETC."
Now here's where we are.
1) I fucking know MS bid $97. Magua PMed it to me.$95 is less than $97
2) Ghostlin won an ability I should have AND LIED ABOUT IT.BLATANTLY.
He is confirmed fucking scum to me. You could lynch me today, and when I flip town lynch Ghost tomorrow, but lets reverse that.
- Why the HELL would scum COUNTERCLAIM TOWN when town had an innocent result on some other player?On day 2, after a scum lynch day 1?WITH NO NIGHTKILLS. What's the scum motive for that? "OH HERE'S A THREE MAN TEAM, WE JUST LOST ONE AND THERE'S STILL TEN TOWNIES, LETS LOCK OURSELVES INTO A 1V1 WITH A TOWNIE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA! NOPE NO PROBLEMS THERE, FORGE AHEAD BRAVE SOULS"
- WHY THE HELL WOULD TOWN GHOSTLIN FAKECLAIM!
No fucking way. No fucking way at all.
He was caught scum. He panicked. And you fucking retards let him get off the fucking hook because MS is an incompetent lurker who isn't worth a pound of jelly beans.
No thumbs up our asses. No waiting. We lynch him, and if he flips town, well, guess you have a guilty result on me. No thumb twidling, 'lets lynch someone else' bullshit.
Prefered lynches in order:
1) Ghostlin. Because he's fucking obvious scum.
2) Me. Because then I'll be confirmed town and have CONFIRMED A FUCKING SCUMBAG.
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AND YES I CHANGED MY MIND WHILE TYPING THAT
NO WAITING
NO BABBLING ABOUT NIGHT PLAY
NO SHIT ABOUT COPS AND WIFOM ABOUT WHETHER THE SCUMBAG FAKED AN INNOCENT ON HIS PARTNER.
MOD CONFIRMED SCUM IS STARING ME IN THE FACE
DO IT, FOLKS. IF YOUR HEAD IS SO FAR UP YOUR ASS YOU THINK A FUCKING SCUMBAG WOULD LOCK HIMSELF INTO A FUCKING 1V1 WITH A TOWNIE WHEN THE ONLY DEATH IS ONE SCUM, THEN FUCKING LYNCH ME AND LYNCH HIM TOMORROW. IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN FOUR BRAIN CELLS, LYNCH HIM.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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"WAAA MAGIC SHIT HAPPENED ETC."
No, Ethos. No way. I don't have a clue what happened, but I bid $97, the mod said it was won for $95, Ghostlin hastily claimed that he won it for more than that right after MS said $97.
Look at that post. Just look at it.
Ghostlin wrote:I placed only one bid that day and that was to clean out everything for Cop: $99+ $1 fee. I don't know honestlywhythe bid only ended up at $95 if you bid $97 before deadline. I can't explain that.
And look how long he waited.
Magua wrote:Breaking News
Midnight's Sorrow, Ghostlin have been prodded
Everyone had posted except MS and Ghostlin. Ghost went "oh looks like no one claimed, I'm in the clear" and claimed. I mean look at his babble day 1 about NKs, scum powers, town powers, etc.
They used some ability on the Cop power. Maybe they auto won it, maybe it shows up as won and was destroyed, don't know, don't care.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY SCUM.
There are no super-secret powers. He fakeclaimed, panicked when that fucking lurker MS counterclaimed him, then fell back on 'hee-haw, powers.' That makes 100% sense. The idea that the scum used a super-sekret ability to change the amount to $95 (why?) and that we're just two townies who happened to bid more than $95 on THAT ONE power is ridiculous.
Face it. NO ONE ELSE has claimed that their winning bid was for a different amount than flipped. NO ONE. This has happened ONCE, andby chanceGhostlin happened to wait long enough to get into prod range just to claim it? And then the one OTHER townie who did happen to bid more just happened to be the OTHER PERSON IN PROD RANGE?
Does this make sense?
Or does this:
MS bid $97. No one topped $95. Ghostlin lurked into prod range then posted a prod dodge. Then he decided 'ah, fuck it, no one's gonna claim bidding more' and tossed his claim out there a few minutes later. MS counterclaimed and he panicked in the most scummy reaction EVER.
EVER.
EVER!
Want another scum read? Anyone who thinks the first scenario when we both happen to be town, both happened to bid more than $95, and scum just coincidentally used a power that has NEVER BEEN USED ELSEWHERE (correctly if I'm wrong) to set this situation up, and that miraculously the people it set up were the two people who'd lurked into prod range?
YEAH BULLSHIT.
GHOSTLIN DIES NOW
AND IF I'M DERAILING THE LYNCH ON MY BUDDY LOL. TOWN GHOSTLIN? FRY ME. THEN FRY WHOEVER YOU WANTED TO LYNCH TODAY. FUCK GUYS NO TOWN HAVE DIED WHY WOULD SCUM BE THROWING THEIR LIVES AWAY HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And Ethos, why the fuck are you asking me what powers the scum have?
I bid $97. Period. If it was won for $95, I should have gotten it.
I don't know what happened, I don't care how the bid system works, 97>95, that should be my cop power. If someone like 'auction blocked' me I think they'd have claimed it by now, neh?
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That's NOISE LLD. I know you better than that, since when are you tied up in magical wonderland abilities?
Ghostlin wrote:I placed only one bid that day and that was to clean out everything for Cop: $99+ $1 fee. I don't know honestlywhythe bid only ended up at $95 if you bid $97 before deadline. I can't explain that.
That's not NOISE. That's a scum reaction. Like "oh someone counterclaimed me, wellMYSTERIOUS BULLSHIT GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW, LOL ETC"
Either Midnight posted his bid much too late for it to matter, he's mistaken about the amount he bid, or he's lying about bidding (or what he bid for) Cop.
I don't see how me winning a bid when I bid $99+$1 on an auction means much of anything to alter the any of the three above since the mod just said the closing bid was correct.
So either Midnight Sorrow posted his action late or he'sCONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM TO TOWN GHOSTLIN.
Got that? He's confirmed goddamn scum, and he's making noise about other people?
Fuck that. He knows after I flip town if he's sitting there in the obvious 1v1 WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS he's going into the deep fat fryer.
Maybe, MAYBE if he were playing really townie and pushing MS, and trying to solve a fucking 1v1, MAYBE I'd agree that this is some scum bullshittery. But he's running away from this as fast as his little legs will carry him, has been since MS made the damn claim.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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IceGuy wrote:GreyICE wrote:And Ethos, why the fuck are you asking me what powers the scum have?
I bid $97. Period. If it was won for $95, I should have gotten it.
This has the potential to be incredibly funny when the game is over, so...
Are you absolutely sure you/MS bid $97 BEFORE the deadline?
That's what it says. I know I can bid more than I have, don't know if MS did that. Wouldn't matter unless he won. Which he didn't.
Why the fuck would you take me suddenly going 'oh no, guess he didn't submit, lol?' as an answer at this stage? Out with the info. Claim whatever you want, I really don't care. Ghostlin played EXACTLY like a scumbag faced with this, and if it takes my townflip to sell it to y'all, that's what it'll take. GHOSTLIN DIES.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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malpascp wrote:I said that heshouldbe the lynch for today. As you may have noticed, I said the same about HN.
Basically we just kill the person that 7 people think is scummy enough to have their vote. Sometimes it's just a timing issue. We have to analize all possible explanations for Ghostlin's bids, and all the possible outcomes and results of his (mis)lynch. Before that, I won't vote him, unless deadline gets really an issue.
I think it would be too much to scum to have that kind of manipulative abilities. More inicial money, more money each day, daytalk, ability to steal bids, and almost guaranteed NK on the first two days (due to the amount of money they have being much more that any townie; after D3, there might be some town players that can compete with scum for the NK)?
All-mighty scum doesn't fit here. 3 scum togheter would destroy town. Two scum teams would mean that the game is between them, and we are just background. It just doesn't fit the whole setup.
Nooooooooo, there's no issue of vote analysis and implications and well but etc. That's the most stalling waste of a post I've ever seen. And speculating about scum team size is just wasting oxygen. Even if it WERE two 2 man scumteams (and in a game with no kill N1 why would you even suggest this) does this somehow make it MORE LIKELY for scum to throw their lives away in a 1v1 with town?
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Here, lemme give you all the implications. Here's all the scenarios:
1) We lynch someone random today. Tomorrow, we are in the SAME FUCKING SITUATION. I still know Ghostlin is scum. Ghostlin still is scum. We have one fake cop investigation, COOL BEANS.
2) We lynch me today. I'm confirmed town. Tomorrow you FUCKING SPEED LYNCH GHOSTLIN.
3) We lynch Ghostlin. He flips scum. Tea and pastries.
ONLY IN SCENARIO ONE CAN TOWN DIE TWO DAYS IN A ROW.
THAT'S IT.
EVERYWHERE ELSE SCUM DIES IN A LYNCH TODAY OR TOMORROW
IF YOU THINK I'M FAKECLAIMING, FLIP #2 AND #3, AND LYNCH ME.
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Sure. I have no fucking clue. He never bid on Ninja, I have no idea why he'd bid on Ninja. I have no idea why he'd bid on governor.
Look, it's not just a matter of scummy. Abilities are never 'ultra complex.'
If bids were coming back ALL THE TIME with the high bidder not winning, or with wrong numbers, or other things, we'd have noticed right quick. Bid blocked? What scum in their right minds would bid block MS? Even odds on him not submitting an action any given night, he lurks and flakes like it's a job.
Bid blocked by town?If any town blocked me from bidding with any powers at any point, please just say so
And even if we're both town, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN HIS REACTION? I should have been confirmed liar to him. Do you look at confirmed liars in mafia and go 'well, no idea what happened, let me not poke into that too deeply?' Is that town? IS IT? Or is it scum running away from an OBVIOUS COUNTERCLAIM.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ghostlin wrote:Bullshit. I know where Cop is. (WITH ME) I know it's been bid for. I know damn fucking well your replacements lying, and now you're back peddling to save your own ass. Lynch the scumbag, guys. Both of the replacements have been lurker scum that have been peddling hard to remove me. MS only asked to replace when caught in an obv lie, and bob had been lurking all day with no good input at all.
Really...did any of you read LLD's post...'I'll vote for Ghost tomorrow if we prove there's more than one scum team...' was the synopsis. Not a bloody likely bet unless she already knows the answer is going to be yes, and frankly that's her only justification to lynch the Cop anyway.
You know what I've been trying to do today, Grey? Trying to lynch the other obv liar in this town---but now that you've replaced in to liar MS's slot, you've accused me of doing the same and have the gall to say he told the truth all along. Guys--MS lied to you. HN lied to you. You lynch liars with fire. You don't make deals with them. You don't listen to what they have to say. You lynch them.
See, if you'd been doing this from the start, really pushing MS, I might still think there was some very small chance that you're town. Might.
"Oh no, something happened, no idea what!"
That was your first response. Here we are, down to the wire, and suddenly you're doing what town would do all along.
Well... kind of. Apparently we have THREE FUCKING SCUM LEFT. HN who he's been attacking for... uh... has he ever even mentioned him before? AND TWO PEOPLE WHO WANT HIS ASS DEAD.
Fuck this. You notice he never mentioned this was a 1v1 until I brought it up. What motive does he have to make this a 1v1? None. He knows he has to roll his eyes tomorrow and go "MS was such a derp, oh well, who knows."
Now he just wants to live one little extra day, and get one last mislynch in.
Look at Ghostlin, Folks.
Bluntly, the only two reasons (besides not reading the thread) one would bid on NK at that point would be:
1) They believed hiphop was scum and outbid him to ensure he didn't have it.
2) They were scum either counterbidding or reestablishing their bid.
Newman said he didn't believe Hiphop was scum--yet is forcing him to spend more money to acquire NK?
Vote: HelloNewman
However, Icey's opportunism, particularly since there are plenty of good reasons to vote HN, reeks of scum--I would support an IG lynch.
IceGuy is scum. LLD is scum. HelloNewman is scum. I'm scum.OH AND WE HAVE ONE MOTHERFUCKING FLIPPED SCUM.
"Hi town, guess you guys were in deep shit, what with the five man team and all. I mean sure, you'd normally face that down with 17-20 townies or so, but you guys are smart enough to win with only 8, right? How clever of Ghostlin to figure every one of us out."
Fuck that.
Why would scum counterclaim town with one town dead?
Why would I lock myself into a 1v1 rather than try and extract myself?
Why would I push so hard for this lynch, knowing a town flip means my death?
Want this in writing?
Hiplop, if Ghostlin flips town, submit the Night Kill on me. Promise me?
I can't dodge that. I can't wriggle my way out of that tomorrow. If I am bulletproof scum and live through a goddamn bullet, as well as Ghostlin being town, no one on earth would vote for anyone but me.
I've had some strong scumreads in my day, but Ghostlin has been trying to get out of this being a 1v1 so hard that it's getting funny. His last case is LAL on MS, rather than noting this is a pure "He said, she said" where one of the people saying things is town.
Every step, EVERY STEP, Ghostlin has been leaving himself an exit path for when I flip town.
"Oh guess mysterious shit happened, we'll never know"
"Oh someone hammer MS before we have time to discuss the implications of him possibly flipping town, do it someone, it's pro town!"
"Oh now that I'm being attacked by LLD I'm going to generate a brand new scumread out of thin air and investigate her, over IceGuy or HelloNewman!"
"Oh, MS was a flaking lurker who lied, LAL" (and tomorrow, 'well, no idea why he was lying folks, lets move onto the other person attacking me or HN, tee hee hee')
Fuck this shit.
FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
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Okay, I've read the rules more, and I see a 99+1 bid would only spend 95 if there was a 94. Which still doesn't beat my 97, so mafia needs to die.
Who won the doctor on day 1? It was the ONLY protective role, and the NK didn't go to town, so your target is confirmed town. Rather want to know this since we know the night kill holder for today and if the CONFIRMED TOWN dies overnight we can speed lynch scum tomorrow too.
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PeregrineV wrote:Instead of the doctor declaring, there is the possibility that WLC bought NK and then was lynched and so it was unused.
Okay, see, Ghostlin is confirmed scum to me, so he turbo bussed his buddy with the NK that quickly? Nahhhh.
Whoever the doctor targeted is the next best thing to confirmed town.
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Seacore wrote:I think we wait until tomorrow for the doctor to claim his/her targets. That way that doctor is all used up.
Actually, you're right. hiphop has the NK tonight, plus there's a watcher around.
I was the N1 Doctor. I targeted Red Coyote. I didn't think I'd win both that and the setup. I have little money now.
Okay, rock and roll.
I've just started phase 1 of this plan. That is, transfer all my money to RedCoyote. Phase 2 is as follows, the advertising. I want the possibility of an advertised night kill showing up out of the picture. Basically, we're WAY ahead of scum in income tomorrow, because Ghostlin is dead. So them collaborating to win the 2nd NK is at its absolute nadir.
The advertised night kill possibility gets more and more dangerous, and more and more possible as the game drags on, so I basically want it lightning rodded. If someone else gives RC at least some, with my cash that should give him enough dough to guarantee winning an advertised night kill tomorrow.
Basically, the advertising mechanic is really powerful, and I'd like to stop the pro-scum abilities showing up late game. Giving RC enough money to win it will make it basically a 1-shot vig, rather than a late game 'ninja look now we have a new ability.'
Along the same lines, we might want to advertise shitty abilities that suck for the town in LyLo (Love Potion, Vote Nullifier, and Extra vote all stood out) early and then have the winner 'ground' them. Worst case, we'll know the scum spent lots of money to win, and also that they have the ability. Having a ninja 'Extra vote' or 'Love potion' pop up at the wrong time is bad news.
But worst of the worst is the NK, and I think we advertise that and ground it on RC tomorrow.
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IceGuy wrote:
Unclaimed Love Potion and Vote Nullifier are worthless in LyLo, since they confirm the protected player as scum pretty much immediately. I agree with you on Extra Vote, since that can fuck town completely.
tl;dr: Ghostlin lynch, Newman NK.
The major one I'm worried about is the spare night kill, no question. Down with advertising it and making sure RedCoyote gets it tomorrow?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh, okay.
Well lets abort one of the annoying abilities then. Give RC Roleblockerx3? That's a fairly friggin powerful thing in the hands of conf. town.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ethos wrote:Looking through the abilities and items auctioned for tommorow I believe we need to make sure conf town gets Night kill, Roleblocker and ability to be the only one who knows what the current bid is for all the auctions.
The only problem is that if the auctions end simultaneously then it's likely if RC splits his cash that scum could just pool it and overbid him (since cash is tied up in bids).
Like, RC has $500, he does $300 on the NK, $200 on the RB, and scum put $225 on the RB, then it's going to scum.
Plus it minimizes the risk if they do get some sort of RB ability that we have a bunch of abilities shut down.
I'd rather see cash pool on strong town reads - Seacore, you, or LLD for me - and then have those people toss ALL their money on the agreed high-priority abilities to keep away from scum.
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Hahahahaha Ghostlin just claimed scum.
Ghostlin wrote:Really, guys. The bid manipulationtheoryis lame.Odds are GI's lying to us.
Ghostlin wrote:2) I won Cop with a $99 bid that I only used $95 of.I'm REALLY confused why.
ISN'T IT BECAUSE I'M LYING TO THE TOWN GHOSTLIN? WOULDN'T THAT BE THE REASON THAT YOU WON IT FOR LESS THAN I BID? HOW WOULD THAT CONFUSE YOU?
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hiphop wrote:If ghost flips town, do you still want me to nk you?
Hells yes.
He just fucking admitted that he knows I'm town. Look at that. He said I was 'most likely' lying, and that he 'didn't know what happened.'
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The above is serious btw. If he's actually town, I'm just going to get lynched, or shoved aside by the scum so they can push a lynch on me closer to LyLo.
My last reads if Ghostlin flips town and I'm shot:
Hiphop is town
LLD is town
Seacore is town
Everyone else... meh, too much effort, I'll just put the people who are easy to read, 'cause ghost is soooooo not town
PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior. He didn't want to push MS to the wall because he knew MS would flip town and that'd throw a spotlight on his behavior. He only started screaming for votes when the wagon was well underway and he thought it would go unnoticed. He then attacked me and everyone pushing him when the tide started to turn, and then made that last post where he blatantly waffled all over the place, when town would have NO reason to believe my bid claim if they legitimately won the auction as town.
Oh and then there's his day 1 play.
The cop auction was a great reason to suspect him. He won while underbidding me, then IMMEDIATELY started going 'strange stuff happened, dunno, lol' when MS claimed, rather than seeing it as any sort of scumslip.
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hiphop wrote:
Ok, then. I understood the part afterwards, it just that I thought the cop auction was the reason you were pushing him. If that is the case, why would one of you or ghost be scum? Cop auction, or part after?GreyICE wrote:PEdit: It's not the fact the cop auction was fucked with. It's his flip-floppy wishy-washy behavior.
60% auction, from the fact that he claimed one thing, I claimed another, and warring claims usually involve scum.
40% behavior. All of it.
Fuck, he was the first and only player to go 'look at me, I'm so townie I don't even want a night kill!' which is scummy as fuck. My opinion is town should be conspiring openly to GET the goddamn night kill, not declaring openly how townie they are because they're fine with not even trying to keep it away from scum.
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Anyway, who cares? Shoot me if I'm wrong, 100%. I'm not being a goddamn mislynch later in the game for the scum.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And furthermore I don't even have a dime onhand, so all my cash will end up in RedCoyote's coffers. You can't take a dime away from the town, whereas any other shot can.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Fuck it man, I'm not arguing that the lynched player is scum in the twilight. I'll tell you my bidding strategy tomorrow, when I've had more time to think about it. I've claimed all of MS' bids, and I'm not going to even try and guess what he was doing. It's less comprehensible than when TS claimed to have a big secret about his role... as VT.
If he flips town, I want you to shoot me so I'm not a goddamn mislynch later in the game (I HATE being a mislynch).
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Ethos, your watcher power is going to be important tonight.
We have two threats. A potential scum DOCTOR and a potential scum RB.
Oh no, a scumbag could protect a townie from the night kill.
Plox don't tell me you actually think seacore is scum hun... I know you're paranoid, but I just don't think that's true.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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PeregrineV wrote:GreyICE wrote:
I currently have $97, and a "paycheck" balance of $65 I can take a "payday loan" from.
In case you're not here tomorrow, it looks like you are a non-standard role. If you did not win, it also looks like you did not receive a wage. If that is the case, what is the source of your payday loan if you don't get a wage? Also, was that ability available day1?
I get a paycheck every two weeks. I can use money in that paycheck to bid, but if I win, every $8 I spend from the paycheck takes $10 out (and I can't reduce the paycheck below zero).
I don't know if the money was available day 1, I'll ask.
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By 'every two weeks' I mean every two game days, to be clear.
Just fairly obvious where the flavor came from.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Yeah. Either I get lynched tomorrow, or on day 6 or 7, the scum go 'remember the mystery when we lynched Ghostlin-town trololol?'
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This is hysterical.
Are you seriously fucking telling me that no townies have died, and we're down three scum?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Unnecessary. FRC is a 5 day deadline, RC can bid on it for pete's sake, if scum jack it up, someone else can come in on top of them, and in any case RC will have his money untied before NK deadline.
I'm ignoring the last will shit.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ethos wrote:No, we get a scum read to bid on it. Makes more sense. If anything, they will be out some money.
Works for me. I nominate ChaosOmega.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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None of those abilities are horribly anti-town, at the moment.
If 'mystery bidder' wins the vote freeze, we can just not vote at/near LyLo until we're CERTAIN (which we should be doing anyway wtf). Vote freezing isn't gonna change anything when there's THIS MANY town. Hitman's obnoxious, 'tis true, but I think we can control the NK for the foreseeable future, especially with money pooling and FRC.
Blind bid is irritating, but I think fails to be more than that.
Bulletproof is like... lol, mystery person wins bulletproof, townie shoots them, we're like 'who do we lynch I wonder...'
LLD getting gravedigger is fine with me, but I'll wait for Ethos, Seacore, and Voided to comment. With an advertised Gravedigger, we can work out WLC and IceGuy's powers, meaning we have a full list of scum powers.
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Oh and:
Vote: ChaosOmega
I don't think he gave a FUCK who we lynched yesterday.
Pedit: Blind Bid? I dunno. I know it would ANNOY me, but with only one scum, a mass claim of who got what and for what price might actually even be pro-town.Scum would have a hard time using it to cloak bidding on pro-scum powers, as they'd have to claim their bids and if someone claims to have not bid at all when several anti-town options were won by scum, well, we'd have a definite suspect.
It'd be different with 3-4 scum left, of course, but in this situation I just can't see having one scum having access to the cash reserves to bid on town powers AND bid on scum powers.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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LLD has gravedigger since it apparently interacts with one of her powers, unless she wants me to have it. Someone mind advertising Gravedigger for like $1? I can't advertise.
If Chaos wins bid on FRC before day ends, can he use it in the night phase if he's killed?
Eh, fuck it. Submitted minimum bid on FRC. The idea of waiting for those lurking lunks and then having them argue with me fills me with sorrow, and it's like $10.
Have them transfer their money to a strong town read before they die.
@LLD: I don't give a fuck if bulletproof is in scum hands. What's going to happen? Mystery bidder wins the vest, and then someone gets shot and doesn't die, and no one claims RB/Doctor/whatever?
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Ethos wrote:HHey Grey, was the name of your role still entrpenuer?
NopeShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Haha.
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I'm kinda curious why 8:2:2:1? I mean beyond "this is going too well, gonna be a kick in the balls somewhere "
My thoughts are I'm going to play like it's not possible, and then if we get a scumflip and the game is ongoing VERY hastily revise my plan. Honestly don't think it's that likely.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Okay, thoughts:
The thread should remain open long enough for me to win FRC, and get us all $200. If you invest your $200, you get an extra $100 in day 4 tomorrow, which is a shit ton more than the $15 we lose for waiting 3 days (as I understand invest, haven't looked at it too much).
I'd rather have voided go for the NK because he has to have the cash reserves to beat the scum, but we should probably hold off bidding on it until the FRC passes, since scum could overbid with the FRC money. So 3 days to decide.
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Seacore wrote:Guess I should have been in that game and town to help them do it right?
No, the town should have shot the numbers INTO THE MOTHERFUCKING SUN AND LYNCHED SCUMMY PEOPLE.
Numbers catch STUPID scum, and give SMART scum a free pass.
We can kill all the fucking stupid people anyway seacore, what the fuck is going on? You're going to turn this game into a cesspit where all we do is debate 1s and 2s and DON'T FUCKING SCUMHUNT AND THAT PISSES ME OFF.
Take your bullshit numbers crap and light it on fire.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Seriously, I had two of the scumteam pegged on day 1, but they were definitely confirmed town because of numbers nevermind the fact that they were so obviously scum that it PHYSICALLY HURT ME.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Seacore wrote:Okay, so I'm still waiting on Grey, Newman and Chaos for their transaction claims.
Hiphop, Pere and Mal all check out fine.
LLD, I'll wait until you get a response from Magua, but I have a couple of questions for when that happens.
You have my bloody transaction claims too, Seacore.
Yesterday. Since then, I gave $97 to Voided (which Magua tells me is $92 when it hit him) and bid $10 on FRC.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Voided isn't bloody scum WHAT THE FUCK YOU MORONS.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Seacore wrote:I don't really, you talk about paychecks but that's about it, unless I'm missing it.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3238197
Duuuuuuuude it's my fourth post in the thread.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Seacore wrote:Do you get the same efficiency and start of day bonuses that we get?
No. My role is significantly different.
Is this getting somewhere? 'cause all I see is someone voting for Voided who you fucking doctor protected N1 because of a number complaint which is EXACTLY WHAT LOST US PYP.
Pedit: 'cause he got doctored, and a night kill didn't happen. Because neither player has done one scummy thing in thread.
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Seacore wrote:You get that I'm not voting Voided, right? I don't have my vote anywhere right now.
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Seacore wrote:GI, I hate your attitude. I play this game for fun and I'll play it however I please. I have won games doing stuff like this in the past. Analysing games and PR results. I scum hunt far better this way than by reading motivations. I also enjoy it. So you're not going to stop me from doing it.
I dislike the way you call people morons, I dislike the way you use Caps for no good reason. And I'm asking to stop.
I won't, so blow me.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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*sigh*
Fine. But I'm not playing along with numbers.
I see we have three scum dead, and the closest we got to running numbers is Ghostlin having the cop I should have had (and that he apparently didn't have so well). And I wanted him dead on his waffle reactions to me being lynched it was sooooo obvious he knew I was town from how he was treating me. Ice and WLC died on play. And I see people voting for Voided, and I'm like... and here we go agaaain, lets lynch some town because lynching scum isn't fun.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Have I ever mentioned how much I love the fact you get my jokes?
Seriously I was soooo happy when I saw you were in thisShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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So you've done less to catch scum than me when I've started off with the small disadvantage of replacing in, oh, like 24 hours before day 2 ended; you've voted twice (once for the reason that 'eh, we'll lynch him eventually anyway,' one for numbers BS), you OBVIOUSLY aren't even reading my bloody posts, you aren't even reading Chaos's posts, hell there's no evidence you're reading anyone's posts; you're trying to turn this thread into some dance for your amusement and which you ADMIT HASN'T EVEN GIVEN YOU A REASON TO LAY A VOTE DOWN A BILLION DAYS FROM LYLO, and you get pissed that someone calls this a pile of BS and doesn't want it around?
And you're going to replace out of games I'm in or not join?
Make my bloody day.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Sweet info right there.
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ChaosOmega is still more likely to be scum imho, but we can't shoot a commuter who doesn't want to be shot.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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It's worth winning the auctions now, because FRC still gives us benefits if used today, and we can drain all the cash scum get from it by forcing them to rebid on the NK.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Also, depending on time stamps, if Voided submits before scum, it might give us a snapshot of how much scum have left.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Regfan - opinions on speed lynch versus waiting?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Non-voided hammers = scumclaim sounds good to me.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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From the bid jump hopefully voided just won it.
We also have a snapshot of scum's cash, $211 right now.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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