Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm

yepeee

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NK IS MINE MUHAHAHA

really who the heck is bidding for setup information?

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So you are assuming that mafia has no interest on setup information?

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Or maybe they dont want us to know more...

Never crossed my mind a SK in a mini setup, but with mafia and NK for auction...

What do you guys think?

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Vote: Seacore

In this game, nominations is mafia stuff.

I'd rather like everyone to give their guesses about the setup, especially the existence of a SK.

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EBOWP: sorry didn´t saw WLC question.

This is a small game, so I think it isn't worth it.
And there are some actions, like "setup information", that don't make sense to keep, unless you want to ask more than 3 questions. Although, if you have more "heavy" actions and no idea how to use them, "grow your business" is better than screwing the game.

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So what actions should be claimed, and when?

The setup questions stills unanswered. Is the SK a possibility?

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Sorry for not being that active this past few days.

Seacore: that was just joking, despite we were discussing the setup and other ideas we had, we were still on RVS that time. At least that's what I think.

About #103: I agree with most of it, but the Cop growing business is really risky. That should only happen if Cop was Doc-protected from the night after we makes the first investigation claim.

IceGuy: the Governor particullarity you mentioned is awesome, but only if everyone sticks to that plan. Also, scum may immunize a townie to make him being linched next day.

Agreed on cop claims, although unless you have a guilty I might be a bit more in favor of waiting with claiming til D3 so you could've used both your cop uses.

This way, if noone claimed, we knew that cop didn't get scum.
This would be a very good idea, unless cop gets killed for other reasons besides claiming. Maybe we should consider to make the cop uses vig-voted-style too.

With that being said:

Unvote.
Vote:malpascp

I mentioned the SK because it was in another Mini I played in. However, it shouldn't really affect how we play this game, as they would be vying for the Nk against the mafia. However, you seem keenly interested in the subject- unnaturally so. Can you please explain why?

The SK thing: well I really hate SK, but in this setup, wouldn't 10vs3 or 9vs4 be unbalanced? Remember that scum doesn't have a faction-kill. I am really not that good on doing those maths, but I think yes, it does afect the game. Do you have any particular reason that I might not be seeing to say that it "doesn't matter"?

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IceGuy: the Governor particullarity you mentioned is awesome, but only if everyone sticks to that plan. Also, scum may immunize a townie to make him being linched next day.

Yeah, but it costs them a mislynch.

Actually, the most likely is the 2nd best lynch to be a townie too. In that case, town gets lynched anyway, and the next day the immunized townie is lynched. Unless we are smarter than them, of course.

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I think that every bid on Investigation Immunity should be claimed. It's usefull information to town and it is useless to scum, right?

Please don't ignore me

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I agree that cop should claim.
Also I would like to know why is Watcher so much better than Tracker (noob question, I guess). Another doubt: a player with Tracker and Doctor could Track a suspicious player, and then protect whoever he targets? Or if he has Roleblocker and Watcher, can he Watch someone that looked town and then roleblock someone that targeted him? I'm not sure if it interfeers with the night resolution.

I want to claim that I won absolutely zero bids D1. Info at your disposal. My thoughts are not very accurate right now, but I will be back tomorrow.

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@HM: So that means that there are 3 people bidding on NK? Or did you bid 189$?

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Why did you bid on NK when it was agreeded that that would be HipHop's task?

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Damn you Ethos

I think you should use it now. Usefull information to the town and so on. And btw, I disliked that bid on NK. Actually, I disliked the claim, because I think that any townie would pay attention to the board before making a bid. Either ways, I think you are scum.

Vote: HellloooNewman

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Maybe

you

forgot that detail

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I did.

Maybe when you realised that you didn't had the need to do that, because Auction detective wouldn't get you, you used that to defend yourself, claiming that your plan would make no sense, and that is truth, unless you forgot it as well.

Can you get me some ice please?

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Who said I'm not a chihuahua? Oh wait, I'm not.

Can someone say something? I'm not quite sober and probablly wont post anymore tonight.

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Anyone has an idea of what this means?

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Who is convinced about HM's "mistake"?

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He claims he forget his bids and then lied to us about it. There is a reason why I put the word "mistake" between two bunnies.

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Just catchuped this. I think we should wait to know who gets NK before planing our night actions. I'm absolutelly fine with HM and MS dropping dead. They seem to be the obvious choice, but usually the simplest solution is the best.

MS is at L-2. He should stay like that until we have enough info to decide who we lynch, who Seacore wants to NK, and if everyone trusts him (I do).

I think this is a pertinent issue:

@Everyone: do you trust Seacore do direct the NK?

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Damn it, it seems that Ghostlin is even more obvscum than HM did.

Well, when I read #456, I was just thrilled: yepeeee, we got scum.

Altough, GreyICE's lynch preferability order has a flaw: this can be covering up for a buddy. Still, I had the same read on Ghostlin. He should be today's lynch.

And his updates on his thread reading always referred Ghostlin. Is there some reason why you focused so much on him since the early pages?

One more thing: was Ghostlin's vote on MS the hammer? It seemed so...

Unvote

for now

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I said that he

should

be the lynch for today. As you may have noticed, I said the same about HN.

Basically we just kill the person that 7 people think is scummy enough to have their vote. Sometimes it's just a timing issue. We have to analize all possible explanations for Ghostlin's bids, and all the possible outcomes and results of his (mis)lynch. Before that, I won't vote him, unless deadline gets really an issue.

I think it would be too much to scum to have that kind of manipulative abilities. More inicial money, more money each day, daytalk, ability to steal bids, and almost guaranteed NK on the first two days (due to the amount of money they have being much more that any townie; after D3, there might be some town players that can compete with scum for the NK)?

All-mighty scum doesn't fit here. 3 scum togheter would destroy town. Two scum teams would mean that the game is between them, and we are just background. It just doesn't fit the whole setup.

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First of all: who got watcher?

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Well, no other choice. I don't understand why is GreyICE at L-2.
Ghostlin should be there right now.

Let me help:

Vote:Ghostlin

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I killed Iceguy. I will be back in a couple of hours.

No shit....

No shit at all.

What actions do we need to know before we lynch today?

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We should have someone that has 300$ or more to bid them on FRC.

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Who are you targeting Lady? Perhaps WLC?

The FLC bidding idea is greatacular. I suggest Newman to do so.

It is not possible to one single person to raise the bid.

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The biding system is always the same: you make a bid, if it is the biggest one the current bid is the 2nd bid +1. If someone makes Maximum bid= X$, and then makes Maximum bid= X+Y$, the current bid won't change.

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@LLD: that is great. That way, we can investigate 2 people at the same time. We should make two scummy, but unlikely scumbuddies to bid on it and to get investigated by you, respectively.

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Damn it. If noone talked about this, I bet the remaining scum wouldn't remember. SHIIIIIIT

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LLD takes Gravedigger. She asked for it first

Agree with Chaos biding on Chairman; but I really want to lynch Newman today...

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Err...

I think someone is already biding on BulletProof

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@Ethos: if Newman is the scum, we will be 3 town short until you have him as your scummiest read. Is just too much.

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Yep, 2 town. Tipping error.

I am biding on BulletProof. I can tell you my Max bid if you want.

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But thinking better, someone can have the N1 kill.

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Depends on what is considered a threat to town...

We should ask that but as "win conditions". If we ask: are there more than 2 non-town winning conditions?

Also, I think that is very unlikely. This is 2 scumteams. We have better things to ask I guess.

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Do you guys think RC is the person with more money right now?

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*4th party existence

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Let's vig-kill?

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*vig-vote the NK

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But thinking better, someone can have the N1 kill.

Thoughts on this?

Maybe if LLD uses Gravedigger on WLC, we find out if he had NK. But as noone outbid hiphop for the last NK, I assume mafia had no money to do so, meaning that the remaining scum already won a NK auction. If noone was killed, either he still has it, or he used it and was stopped.

This will become easier with LLD Gravedigging WLC.

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Maybe each scum or scumteam had a one-shot steal-from-the-market-thing.

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- Bid 25$ on Extra Vote, got outbid by 29$, bid 35$ on Extra Vote.
- Bid 60$ on Cop.
- Got outbid again on Extra Vote.
- Bid 90$ on Cop
- Got outbid on Cop.
- Bid 95$ on Cop, got outbid again.
N1: no ability
D2 starting balance: 185$

-Bid 100$ on Doc.
- Bid 80$ on Auction Detective.
-I got outbid on Auction Detective.
- I won Doctor for 40$.
N2: Used Doc on RedCoyote

D3 starting balance: 218$

-Bid 60$ on Bulletproof.

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I think hiphop should get the NK.

The only Doc left is mine. I don't know where the RB is. Unless scum has the RB, Hiphop doesn't need the Hitman. Any way, it would be better if he had both.

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@Ethos: who are you addressing to? I got confused

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Scum could have the NK this night, but thought hiphop would NK town, so they didn't use it.

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Updated from Seacore's post until now, I didn't check the previous "unclaims"

Cop x 2 - Ghostlin claimed, Voided unclaimed, maybe on WLC's body?
Doctor x 2 - Seacore claimed, used up on Redcoyote and Ethos
Extra Vote x 2 - Unclaimed
Governor x 1 - Ethos claimed, still unused
Investigation Immunity x 4 - Unclaimed
Last Will x 3 - Confirmed won by Ghostlin
Neighborizer x 3 - Ethos claimed, used x2 (same QT)
Night-kill x 1 - Unclaimed and potentially unused
Oracle x 2 - Likely won by Newman, not quite confirmed
Setup Information x 3 - Seacore claimed
Vote Nullifier x 1 - Unclaimed

Auction Detective x 2 LLD Claimed
Commuter x 2 - Unclaimed
Doctor x 2 - Malpascp claimed
Love Potion x 1 - Unclaimed
Medium x 3 - Unclaimed
Night-kill x 1 - Used to kill Iceguy, all but confirmed hiphop
Ninja x 4 - Unclaimed
Roleblocker x 3 - Unclaimed
Tracker x 2 - Voided claimed that Ghostlin won and passed it on
Watcher x 1 - Ethos claimed, not knowing if used

I want to know who has the RB.

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I guess Cop and RB should claim right away.

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Shit, my bad.

I meant that "Scum could have the RB"

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Who do you think I should protect tonight?

[malpascp]

I'm Entrepeneur.

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Right, I forgot that.

Seacore is next.

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I didn't get one thing. Wage freeze makes our wage stop decreasing right? If we use it, we get more money. I am willing to bid on it and use right away in that case.

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My top scumreads are LLD, ICE and Newman.

Well, after yesterdays mess, I think I know what to do.

Vote:HelloooNewman

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Right now, I'm posting in this game. On the last 30 minutes, I posted on this and other 7 games. I basically have a town-read on everyone else, what is weird, because usually my scumdar beeps all the time. I would bet that scum is among those 3.

Why wasn't the 200$ boost for everyone used?

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WOW how did you got an image that fast?

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Why don't you guys NK someone that hasn't a Doc ability?

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What robber? Is anything being robbed here? Jeez

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Who is the highest bidder on Cop?

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I think Newman has been screwing us around enough time. That Cop claim was scummy as hell. It would be absolutely pathetic if we lose the game and HN turns out to be mafia or SK.

@hiphop: it's useless to protect Newman if he uses Peace Treaty.

No one told me why am I today's lynch. Everyone should note that we don't have the NK, so this lynch is probabilly the most important of the game so far. If we mislynch, we will down to 4 town tomorrow (assuming the NK doesn't hit scum/SK).

Also, I will be V/LA until Friday. If you want me to bid on something, it's the time to say so.

@hiphop: I was going to use that bank tomorrow. I think now there is no use for it today. It would be possible to finally put our hands on the NK and to not be on this situation again. What do you suggest me to do?

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Oh damn.

V/LA until Friday

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Just... well, it was probabilly the most exciting game I ever played. I continued following it like I would if I were alive.

Congratz to Magua, this is just awesome. I'm defenitivelly /in for the next one.

Also congratz to town, who did a good job early on the game (we started loosing when you lynched me )

Obviouslly, congratz to GreyICE YOU BASTARD