Zom Com Mafia - Mini 1225 (Abandoned)

[Twistedspoon]

after reading my role Pm i feel I need to claim

I am (you are) Michael Jackson [from real life], Wight-Miller

one of my abilities is called Black or wight. It means I appear as 'wight' instead of human to all investigations

Unsure what wight was, I PM'd the mod if wight was the scum faction (as mafia is for a miller) and she replied that conclusion was up to me to make.

either way, I am a miller and i'm claiming now

My thoughts so far.

If you are a Hydra, POST ON THE HYDRA.

Out of Seraphim, Maruchan, and SleepyKrew, one is scum.

I don't like Maruchan's "RVS" vote at all.

where is your RVS vote compadré?

VOTE: Jakalope

[Twistedspoon]

/facedesk. TS you're here too? Just what I need. More people I am currently in other games with to fuck with my reads on people.

yeah, you read the playerlist don't you

and why the guilty conscience/paranoia?

[Twistedspoon]

can i just say that captain corporal asks random questions in RVS all the time as town. It's part of his meta

examples:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3131888
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3137723

I don't mean to white-knight, but It's an observation I've made from my past games with him and I think it should be said. A little extra info doesn't hurt

[Twistedspoon]

Guys.
I'm not joking.
Seraphim is caught scum, possible Maru buddy.

'splain

[Twistedspoon]

Because he is opportunistic and flailing!
I got hit in the head by a flailing Zombieber.

...

if he was opportunistic I feel the miller (me) would have been the easiest target

[Twistedspoon]

No, he was opportunistic with his Chrono vote.

I felt like he was applying pressure and trying to get us out of RVS

also, how can you be opportunistic with a FoS

[Twistedspoon]

no, but I'm a miller

nor a sheep for that matter

[Twistedspoon]

Seraphim/TS/Maru
Hey Zombiebers, are these amongst you?

townslip

SK forgot to read the OP where nikanor said there are 4 scum

congrats SK

[Twistedspoon]

How did SleepyKrew townslip? I don't read the post like that. I do think he's town though.

he thought there were 3 scum

scum would know there are 4 as mod said there were

[Twistedspoon]

I thought the zombiebers was his posting restriction though, so had to post something like that regardless

meh, maybe it isn't a townslip. I still find him town though.

not that I find his proposed scumreads realistic at all so far...

[Twistedspoon]

Hai.

Twisted spoon, why are you so willy nilly wanting to call something a townslip. I dont know why but that makes me uncomfortable. Its not that i cant see how you can see him as town, its just i feel like you are trying to project the image of you being town through that. forcefully non the less

I do it all the time in my games

'tis meta

I townhunt rather than scumhunt you could say

[Twistedspoon]

Unvote

So SleepyKrew has a PR. I sincerely hate the word "Zombieber".

all players are PRs

why did you not know this

[Twistedspoon]

why is everyone talking about opportunistic votes?

It is/was RVS >_>

[Twistedspoon]

Twistedspoon, who is scum?

that's the £10000000 question

If I knew I would have said

Jakalope maybe?

I'm rereading anyhow

[Twistedspoon]

scum?

possibly cojin for strawmanning the entire thread

have no idea on chrono and Starbuck

I think seraphim's town, but then again I thought that in Band Upick and I was woefully wrong so...

[Twistedspoon]

you do realise Maruchan's madness is his town meta?

Going further on that. I doubt SleepyKrew's post restriction goes along with him being scum, and out of Seraphim and Maruchan, I'd have to VOTE: Maruchan

this looks very much like sheeping

this is a very vague reason for a vote

confirm vote: jakalop

[Twistedspoon]

gimme two secs to go open my PM. my role is really confusing.

this might read scummy but It's a towntell

townies should be confused about their role in this game. I know I was

also

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3324841

it fits perfectly with his town play

[Twistedspoon]

you do realise Maruchan's madness is his town meta?

How can he have a town meta? He's played one game.

look at my link and his play in that

he's flipped town

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, maru is town

can I get my medal town?

[Twistedspoon]

Spoon, if you want to reference ongoing games, there's an ongoing game with flipped Maruscum and he played just like this.
PEDIT: Jak is also scum. He invites because he doesn't want L-1, then this...
Stop defending your Zombieberbuddy.

Maru's role looks town enough anyways

Jakalope is still scum

[Twistedspoon]

can we just lynch jakalope today?

[Twistedspoon]

PEDIT: No TS. Any Vig should kill Jak tonight.

can't we just lynch him?

[Twistedspoon]

A Maru lynch will give us info. A Sera lynch will give us info. Lynching you or Starbuck will give us info.
But everyone is suspicious of Jak. No info.
How can a Zombieber drive a bus if it can't think properly?

there is no reason to assume there is a vig, and if there is one, that he can be directed.

just lynch the obvscum. then I'll play your game tommorow.

[Twistedspoon]

Also Maru, could you make it anymore obvious you know my restriction is fake?

is it?

[Twistedspoon]

For love of god i sleep then i work then i get on to post and theres a hammer :/
btw jsut as a side note

'tis meta

I townhunt rather than scumhunt you could say

If you know your meta is cant be used as meta to say you are town. This makes you seem more scummy in my eyes.

It's true though

I find townies and work out scum through process of elimination

even check a past game

[Twistedspoon]

just realised where i know cojin from...

anyways

VOTE: Jakalope

I get town vibes from the players not on the maru wagon and jakalope is easily the scummiest on it and always has been

[Twistedspoon]

Also, sup Twisted? Any thoughts on stuff?

Jakalope's probscum
Cojin's town
SK and perev don't ping my scumdar
I'm terrible at reading seraphim and CC, but I'd say they were town

I need to re-read the rest. will do so

[Twistedspoon]

I have a townread on cojin through gut and hopefully PofE once I've finished my readup

no more questions until then

[Twistedspoon]

Starbuck tunnelled on Maruchan and pointed out things such as Maruchan's overreaction to SK's PR and daytalk. Could just be hyperbussing/tunneling. Not sure. She seems to be doing the same to lurkalope right now so we'll see.

If seraphim is scum SK is conf. town as otherwise this post wouldn't have needed to be said

this post actually makes jakalope seem town after a readup. It sure doesn't look like bussing

pie's scumhunting seems rather.. thin. I can't judge though since I've not paid much attention to this game

chrono saying I'm town but shouldn't be allowed to live to the endgame is odd.

i found an interesting quote

You guys are trying too hard to paint that as a townslip.
I just haven't caught the forth Zombieber yet.

THats a fuckin towntell. telling us a townslip isnt a townslip and purposefully saying that the towncred it earns him is not his.

ok, I think this makes SK conf. scum

what motivation would scum maru have of making town SK conf. town? none

maru would only want a buddy of his to be conf. town

It wasn't a gambit. Maru is too inexperienced to do these. It's far more liekly he wanted to confirm his buddy as town. the only reason i have though SK town is his PR. that holds less weight than this.

VOTE: SK

as I said earlier, SK scum would mean seraphim conf. town

[Twistedspoon]

sure I thought i found you a townslip and I'm town

Maru thought he found you a townslip; he's conf. scum. His only motivation would be for a buddy. Mine was for a player I believed town

now Maru has flipped it makes you scum

also, your impression is disappointing.

[Twistedspoon]

shorthand:

Maruchan is scum

maruchan tried to confirm you as town

maruchan would only want this were you scum

therefore you are scum

[Twistedspoon]

it's irrelevant that i thought i found a townslip of yours because I'm not flipped scum so my motivation is different, and even if I was scum, that's twice the reason to think you're scum too

[Twistedspoon]

point them out if you want. I'm here all week and would hate to think you're coasting as town purely because of a PR

[Twistedspoon]

*coasting as town read

obv, not 'town' town

[Twistedspoon]

why do you assume

1) you don't have to explain (and therefore contribute)
2) that scum cannot have PRs (I can see scum being given a PR as a kind of curveball in a similar way as scum trackers can exist and are often mistakenly seen as town because the town never consider the possibility that a confirmed tracker can also be scum. With a crafty mod like nikanor I don't have to stretch my imagination much at all to see a scum PR)

[Twistedspoon]

I didn't

I don't have much time for this SK. say what you have to say and I'll try and talk about it

[Twistedspoon]

I'm trolling the obvscum.

if it wasn't nikanor mod, this would make me replace out. I want to play a good game and you're not helping

[Twistedspoon]

not offended, but I would like to see you explain things rather than assume I will be lynched on basis' you haven't explained

[Twistedspoon]

...

[Twistedspoon]

no, I just felt you didn't say much d1 other than Maruchan-related things, and that's true.

[Twistedspoon]

TS: I think Starbuck pointed this out too, but here it is again for all the folks again. These two posts solidified my read of Jak as scum:

I don't like Maruchan's "RVS" vote at all.

If anyone legitimately thinks Maruchan is scum based on his first vote, stop playing so terribly.

the first quote didn't read much of bussing to me. Votes usually go with bussing iirc

the second one is gold though

the 2 quotes kinds contradict each other in that one is anti-maru but the other is the converse

[Twistedspoon]

The TwistedSpoon wagon is just awful. Post #278 represents an honest attempt at scumhunting, and SK's vote is pretty bad.

@TwistedSpoon - SK is town because of this:

oh I forgot

VoteSKrew

to get rid of the Post Restrictions.

mmm

fine, I guess that works too

VOTE: jakalope

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: bogre

[Twistedspoon]

that depends what you think I should mention...

if you're talking about what i think you might be talking about then my role PM was updated last night, but I shall say no more

[Twistedspoon]

For me, role does not equal alignment and I don't want to play the mod WIFOM game that Ace is quite yet. People unvoting better have good reasons(ace's logic makes sense but I don't know if I buy it) because Jak's play is still scummy as hell.

I believe wanting to conceal your role (at least the best bits) is a very town thing to do. Paranoia of townies etc.

[Twistedspoon]

if his role really is that powerful scum will probably kill him

and if Jak does flip town, anyone pushing his lynch now, post-claim will be near-conf. scum to me

[Twistedspoon]

For me, role does not equal alignment and I don't want to play the mod WIFOM game that Ace is quite yet. People unvoting better have good reasons(ace's logic makes sense but I don't know if I buy it) because Jak's play is still scummy as hell.

I believe wanting to conceal your role (at least the best bits) is a very town thing to do. Paranoia of townies etc.

That's WIFOM.

it's the natural townie reaction

scum know they won't be killed for claiming their role. Townies worry about it

[Twistedspoon]

that spoon wagon you never explained? sure

[Twistedspoon]

you spelt shear wrong :/

[Twistedspoon]

claiming a scumteam never does anyone any favours CC

the people you call out are bound to not be on your side anymore at 80%+ of the time you're wrong, like now

[Twistedspoon]

CC's 180 on me is weird

just how does my meta make me townier in this game? If anything it makes me more suspect as I'm not contributing as much as I normally would :p

[Twistedspoon]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3403101]
Twisted: Do you have any idea why your role PM changed last night?[/quote]
not sure I want to answer this question. I don't see why I should claim

[Twistedspoon]

you're asking me why my role PM changed? I can't answer that without claiming and I don't see why I should at all. That's bizzare

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: pie

rolefishyfishy

[Twistedspoon]

@TS - did you know your role PM was going to change yesterday?

no

I don't even know why we're talking about this. It isn't even that important

[Twistedspoon]

I was de-millerised last night

that is all

[Twistedspoon]

so why would I claim miller if I wasn't one?

surely as scum I would want to be investigated to get a town result

why would I claim miller?

[Twistedspoon]

a player's ability demillerised me last night

so I am no-longer a miller

if i never was a miller then I don't see why I would claim miller only to say I was no-longer a miller today

I believe your claim though, even if it is odd that no-other players are non-human
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bogre

[Twistedspoon]

a player's ability demillerised me last night

so I am no-longer a miller

if i never was a miller then I don't see why I would claim miller only to say I was no-longer a miller today

This is why I asked you if you knew why your role PM changed. You didn't answer me, and that set off tons of alarms.

you asked me if there was anything i'd like to mention. I told you I was de-millerised last night, although how you would know this set off alarms of my own

you then asked me how I was demillerised. This i did not answer, I did answer that my role PM had changed. A player's ability did change my role PM to human but I will say no further as to who it was who de-millerised me. I think that player may have other useful abilities and I don't want to out that player

[Twistedspoon]

considering this game is 'zom com' and my role is Michael Jackson I don't see why 'zombiebers' would be a fake PR

[Twistedspoon]

seraphim isn't scum imho

he seems genuine

Bogre needs looking at. Nothing in his iso justifies his survival to me. If I had time I'd make an analysis myself but through other townreads of mine I feel safe with a vote on him anyways

[Twistedspoon]

chrono too

want to comprimise?

[Twistedspoon]

just vote bogre...

[Twistedspoon]

all 3 are on the wagon

why not? Maruchan was probably the weakest link for the scumteam. why not drop the baggage and get town cred?

[Twistedspoon]

all 3 are on the wagon

why not? Maruchan was probably the weakest link for the scumteam. why not drop the baggage and get town cred?

I look at the Mod's Iso and see single votes on just about everybody. Can the smaller scum team just sacrifice their godfather like that, esp. considering it

does not

give them town credit?

godfather?
where do you get this from?

[Twistedspoon]

@Twisted, MoI- I got my scum mixed up. In another game our day1 lynch was the Mafia Godfather.

should I buy this?

semms an easy way to cover up a scumslip

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: peg

i think you calling maru godfather was a scumslip.

[Twistedspoon]

A. Asked and answered twice.
B. Bogre finally votes someone else and so you do too?

FoS: TwistedSpoon

and I don't buy your answer

and why does my vote have anything to do with bogre? He's still scummy, but i can't explain why. I can for you though

confirm vote: peg

[Twistedspoon]

nty

[Twistedspoon]

I think ace is town


I think mafia is {chrono, bogre, peg} with a couple of other players having outside chances :/

[Twistedspoon]

Twistedspoon- scum for stuff I've said

but that's just it; you never said :/

VOTE: chrono

[Twistedspoon]

why did you fake your PR? >_>

told you it was fake

VOTE: bogre

[Twistedspoon]

does it feel good sera?

[Twistedspoon]

why did you lie about your PR sk?

[Twistedspoon]

>_>

sera....

[Twistedspoon]

why we?

[Twistedspoon]

starbuck?

[Twistedspoon]

MoI, why didn't you talk last night?

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: peg

still Michael jackson (formerly wight-miller due to ability black or wight)
I also have an ability called thriller where if I die, I bring all other dead players back to life as the corresponding undead.
finally, I have some QT buddies who are alignment unconfirmed to me

[Twistedspoon]

TS, are you saying that you'll bring them back as corpses or bones? Because if they just revive as is, then they can talk in the thread, that's it. If they come back as corpses, we're sort of in trouble.

I don't know

all my PM says Is what I said

[Twistedspoon]

TS: what is your role name? Like, your exact role description, like Chrono's "Flesh Restoring Resurrector"?

Michael Jackson [from real life], Vampire-Recruiter Grave Mass Resurrector

[Twistedspoon]

I've PM'd the mod requesting to replace out
apologies