Back to the Future Mafia - Over: Was Hill Valley saved?

[Maruchan]

/CONFIRM

LOOKS LIEK SHITLOADS OF FUN!!!!!

[Maruchan]

HAI STARBUCK!!!

[Maruchan]

Ooba claims Dr Whatshisbucket, who can control the time machine?

[Maruchan]

Ooba claims Dr Whatshisbucket, who can control the time machine?

You don't know Emmett 'Doc' Brown, one of the two main players in the trilogy, by name?

Sigh ...

When the thread opens I'm running you to lynch for BTTF sacrilige!

Everyone calls him Doc, so I forgot his name. I haven't seen the movies in years. Maybe I'll go download them tonight.

[Maruchan]

Downloaded & rewatching now

[Maruchan]

LOL!

And i jsut finished the first one. watching 2 and 3 tomorrow.

[Maruchan]

Till they kill themselves

[Maruchan]

Vote: xvart

I like me some good 'ol OMGUS after a heavy workout session.

[Maruchan]

DayKill: xvart

This game is going at a snails pase

[Maruchan]

dot dot dot

[Maruchan]

Take look at player list

Pick lynch fodder that needs policy lynch

- Maru
- Per

vote Maru

And why am I lynch fodder that needs policy lynch?

[Maruchan]

Interesting idea SnakePlissken, with the 88th poster thing.

@Everyone, does anyone think a mass nameclaim would be beneficial?

[Maruchan]

I didn't think it would be, I wasn't sure at all. Thats why I asked. I was curious if it would or not, and knowing I had a name unconnected with my role, I figured I would ask for the opinions of those more experienced than me.

[Maruchan]

Interesting idea SnakePlissken, with the 88th poster thing.

@Everyone, does anyone think a mass nameclaim would be beneficial?

Seriously?

Unvote
Vote: Maruchan

Did you not read my explanation?

I am new, I have never played mafia before where there were names besides "cop nilla mafia doctor" and so on. So I have no fucking clue as to when a good time to nameclaim (not roleclaim, nameclaim) is. THATS WHY I ASKED. Sorry that you dislike the fact that I'm new to forum mafia.

[Maruchan]

Interesting idea SnakePlissken, with the 88th poster thing.

@Everyone, does anyone think a mass nameclaim would be beneficial?

Seriously?

Unvote
Vote: Maruchan

Did you not read my explanation?

I am new, I have never played mafia before where there were names besides "cop nilla mafia doctor" and so on. So I have no fucking clue as to when a good time to nameclaim (not roleclaim, nameclaim) is. THATS WHY I ASKED. Sorry that you dislike the fact that I'm new to forum mafia.

Most theme games are designed not to be breakable by flavor. The mod may have Biff, Biff goon1, and Biff goon2, but knowing that a mass name claim would out them, they probably have fake names to use for claiming.
Basically, for any mass claiming, hardly ever is it a good idea off the bat.

See, I didn't know this. Now I know this. This is called learning.

[Maruchan]

So why is Peregrine a policy lynch for you? Please expound.

Also please explain why Vezok didn’t make this ‘Policy Lynch Worthy’ list.

maru was D1 mislynch in Campaign mafia.
Per was D1 mislynch in lemming mafia.
Both ongoing games, so I won't elaborate.
I never played with vezok before.

So basically you've made a policy lynch list of players you no longer want to play with?

And my name got on this list due to a unique-mechanic game that I tried something and failed at? So now you never want to play with me again based on a fucking EIGHT HOUR game-day's worth of interaction with me?

[Maruchan]

Vote: Shadow Dancer

I find his "policy lynch" list a fucking joke way for scum to justify stupid votes.

[Maruchan]

hadurdadur. Special Mechanic call for Special Circumstances.

Nice to know you've formulated an in-depth opinion of my personality based on 8 hours of gameplay in which I had the pleasure of defending myself from 10 pages worth of attacks.


Maybe I should Policy Lynch all of you from now on for not giving me a chance? Yeah I think I'll do that. That seams almost as stupidly idiotic of a reason to create a policy lynch list as the one you've given.

[Maruchan]

Calling for a policy lynch is not a RVS vote. its a vote with serious reasoning behind it, you want the player being Policy Lynched gone.

Policy Lynch =/= RVS

[Maruchan]

Vote: vezokpiraka

Hey there!

Don't like the policy lynch, Shadow. Though Maruchan's reaction is really vehement, which is not at all how he played last time I was in a game with him. Gotta go look at some of his other games.

Its because of the particular reason I am being "Policy Lynched" I feel is terribad.

[Maruchan]

I'm sorry that I feel the need to defend myself from people disliking me for no reason?

[Maruchan]

sorry kiwi, its how I am. I post alot. THats what happens when I am at my computer 24/7

[Maruchan]

Interesting idea SnakePlissken, with the 88th poster thing.

@Everyone, does anyone think a mass nameclaim would be beneficial?

Seriously?

Unvote
Vote: Maruchan

Did you not read my explanation?

I am new, I have never played mafia before where there were names besides "cop nilla mafia doctor" and so on. So I have no fucking clue as to when a good time to nameclaim (not roleclaim, nameclaim) is. THATS WHY I ASKED. Sorry that you dislike the fact that I'm new to forum mafia.

This post is not true. He replaced into Ender's Game Mafia, which just finished. We had names. He did not have any such confusions about nameclaims in that game. He also suggested a massclaim, though much later in the game. And was SK.

You know what, I don't like lying.

Unvote; Vote: Maruchan

L-2, I believe.

@kiwi

Your post appears to be incomplete.

@Maruchan

At what point do you cease being new enough that scummy actions can be written off as newbtells? One month? Three or four games? Two months and five games?

I don't know, once I have in past games done what would be a scumtell if it wasn't a newbtell at least once.

I didn't suggest the massclaim in Ender's Game, but you are right I did replace into it. By "never been in games with weird names" I meant like before I joined MafiaScum, sorry for not making that clearer. And Ender's Game shouldn't count because as I stated, I wasn't paying any attention to the game whatsoever.

[Maruchan]

I find Maru a bit VI-ish so I don't have a problem with SD's ~RV? policy vote. I would not support a VI policy lynch if there are better options...which I would hope there are by the end of the day. That said..Maru has asked for the attention he is getting and I would think scum (whether Maru is scum not) would be taking a backseat to Maru's antics (i.e. the nameclaim query, his over the top defensiveness, and his untruth regarding his experience) and letting town do all the work. I'm on the fence as to whether Maru is bad town or bad scum. I'd probably put my first non-RV vote on him if it wasn't going to put him at L-1 so early in the game. I'll UNVOTE: for now and

FoS Maru

as a placeholder for an impending vote on him unless someone pings my radar harder.

Why does everyoen always assume I am just bad. -.-

One or two bad actions do not a bad player make.

[Maruchan]

Why does everyoen always assume I am just bad. -.-

The quote below would be a good start...

And Ender's Game shouldn't count because as I stated,

I wasn't paying any attention to the game whatsoever

.

I replaced in at 40 pages as the game came to an abrupt stand still, and I was SK so I had no particular reason to be loyal to any other player to actually pay attention.

It was a rarity, do not worry. My first-game on site, I replaced in at like 10 pages, and I had read the entire thread twice before I even ASKED the mod to let me replace in.

Ender's Game Mafia was the exception to the rule, not the rule.

[Maruchan]

That first sentence was said remarkably well. Which is the crux of why I got so fucking vehemently defensive in response to Shadow Dancer's "RVS" vote on me.

I can't explain the whole situation do to it being ongoing, but go to my wiki and read the first 4-5 pages of Campaign Mafia for the full story.

[Maruchan]

Why does everyoen always assume I am just bad. -.-

The quote below would be a good start...

And Ender's Game shouldn't count because as I stated,

I wasn't paying any attention to the game whatsoever

.

I replaced in at 40 pages as the game came to an abrupt stand still, and I was SK so I had no particular reason to be loyal to any other player to actually pay attention.

It was a rarity, do not worry. My first-game on site, I replaced in at like 10 pages, and I had read the entire thread twice before I even ASKED the mod to let me replace in.

Ender's Game Mafia was the exception to the rule, not the rule.

The game had only 34 pages when it ended. You replaced in on page 27. And the game did not come to an abrupt stand still. Extreme hyperbole much?

Or are you still "not paying attention"?

I did read it. You were an idiot. Try not to be that much of an idiot in this game. I don't care how dumb you were in that game. I care about your half-truths, contradictions, hyperbole to make yourself not look as bad, and outright lies.

@Snake

Explain his half-truths with regards to experience/Ender's Game then.

I have a lil quote I'd like to quote to you. Maybe you'll recognize it. Its the first line of this post.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2047834

[Maruchan]

@Maru- So have you ever played a theme game like this before?

Had to check my wiki to accurately answer this as I learned making vague guesstimations about stuff (lie say, the number of pages in a game) makes people go MARUSCUM MARUSCUM BLAH BLAH BLAH LOOK HE LIED SOGHTPOW*UYTP(*GHNBLI:O@!*Y%THGP: which is bad.

I have played 4 Theme games that I have flipped in (and are therefore the only ones I am willing to talk about). One had a role-name attatched (Ender's Game), and it was a game I didn't really pay any attention to, and also the rolenames you would EXPECT to see as PRs (mainly, ENDER) were VTs. So it is either a norm that name-claims have nothing to do with role, or that game was out of the norm. Either way, I found it only to be educational to me/beneficial to inquire about the possibility of nameclaims. One was only a theme do to crazy mechanics (READ: Game I am "Policy Lynch Candidate" because of), in which all players are Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons. No flavor whatsoever. The third game had name-claims, BUT the roles were so wildly-unique and custom never seen before that the name didn't mean jack shit in relation to the game. ANd the fourth game the role was not given any names, we were told 5 "Traits", given a flavorful description of who we were, told our abilities (this is the role,without telling us the actual NAME of the role), and given a win condition.

The rest I won't discuss

[Maruchan]

OH I meant to say this in my last post my bad.

@MoI: IGMEOY. I love that you don't find me scummy, but your uber shield of Maruchan mode smells of possible buddying material.

[Maruchan]

I was on the Maru wagon for the same reason I imagine most people were. Reaction fishing. I don't think there is much a chance at all that Maru is scum. Kiwieagle tried to distance himself from the lynch he wasn't even on, which makes it seem like he knew for sure Maru was going to flip town, and was worried Maru might actually get lynched. Since the format makes it unlikely for Masons to exist, I strongly suspect Kiwieagle of knowing Maru is town because Kiwieagle is scum.

I don't know about kiwieagle's knowledge of me, but I confirm 100% that I am in no way shape or form a lover nor a mason, and I was not informed of any other persons alignment pre-game.

[Maruchan]

yay 4 rpodz

[Maruchan]

@Mod, was there a time-change at all already and I just missed it?

[Maruchan]

Oh good. Antifinity just pointed out that everyone has different roles in different time periods.

I wan't to ask about that but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. WOOT WOTO.

Thanks antifinity.

[Maruchan]

His stance makes slight sense, but also at the same time it is very shaky. It was an interesting tactic, but it had as much danger of lynching me as of finding him scum.

[Maruchan]

Shadow I know how you feel about that campaign mafia.

[Maruchan]

Oh good. Antifinity just pointed out that everyone has different roles in different time periods.

I wan't to ask about that but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. WOOT WOTO.

Thanks antifinity.

Why do you think that Anti has better an idea of the set-up than you do?

I don't. I just don't want to be the person the town says "YOU IDIOT YOU JUST TOLD SCUM THAT WE ALL HAVE MULTIPLE ROLES" to. So I didn't want to ask if everyone else had multiple roles. However, Antifinity pointed it out without being asked, so I like him. ^_^

2. Nothing about your statement regarding “Masons are impossible” makes any sense at all. Why again can’t players be Masons in all Time periods again?

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

[Maruchan]

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

I would caution against assuming that shifting roles are indication of town alignment. I would assume that the same mechanics that might alter town roles may also alter scum roles; similar to the Color Concentration mafia mechanic.

I never implied that it meant town.

[Maruchan]

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

I would caution against assuming that shifting roles are indication of town alignment. I would assume that the same mechanics that might alter town roles may also alter scum roles; similar to the Color Concentration mafia mechanic.

I never implied that it meant town.

I think every role has the same thing.
Also the at the end is forced. Explain why you used it please.

So now you're my psychologist? You know my emotions based on the smileyfaces of my posts?

go read every post of mine, I guarantee at least 1/3 of them has a smiley face of some sort in it.

I like faces, sue me.

[Maruchan]

But please, maru, stop try and play the newb card to defend yourself, after four completed games on site people won't buy it any longer and it's just obnoxious. And your latest speculations about players roles go steep down towards role fishing. Please stop it.

If you notice 3/4 of the games I replaced into, so I am still relatively a newb to the early-game stages. One of the games was a newbie game meaning anything involving flavor was nonexistant, so I honestly had no idea about whether or not it was a good idea. You say I'm playing the newb card?

Fuck. If someone who HAS A QUESTION isn't supposed to ASK A QUESTION, I don't see how anyone is supposed to learn anything around here? Sorry that I'm not all-knowing about mafia and that I occasionally have a question. After 6 months at EM I STILL had questions about roles sometimes. And this shit is 10X more confusing than EM.


If you don't like people trying to GET BETTER by asking something that they honestly don't know, might I suggest [url=http://shop.leapfrog.com/leapfrog/jump/ ... /cat710011]this[/url? I can guarantee that after 2-3 days you'll never have to deal with there being things people might not understand again. However in a game that is complex (Such as Mafia), it is a given that people will learn new things the more they play. Give me the name of your BIGGEST role-model on-site and I will PM them and ask them if they feel they know everything there could possibly be to know about mafia, or they feel they are still learning.

Guess what I bet the answer will be?

[Maruchan]

No but it is a part of why I asked, and therefore when asked "Why would you ask that" in order to fully explain it, I must say "Because i honestly didnt know"

[Maruchan]

I never implied that it meant town.

But in these two quotes you "imply" that it is unique to the town and say providing this information would help the scum:

I don't. I just don't want to be the person the town says "

YOU IDIOT YOU JUST TOLD SCUM THAT WE ALL HAVE MULTIPLE ROLES

" to. So I didn't want to ask if everyone else had multiple roles. However, Antifinity pointed it out without being asked, so I like him. ^_^

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity

I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period

. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

No,I implied that it COULD be unique to the town, which is why I didn't want to mention it, in case it WAS unique to the town

[Maruchan]

I see you still haven’t provided me a scum motivation for Maru as scum asking whether a Mass Name Claim would be useful in post 155. Again, saying it scummy without details of Why is scumtastic.

I take it you didn't notice me providing examples of theme games based on books/movies where main characters were power roles. I'd say attempting to determine power roles provides all the scum motivation you could want.

And then I provided my one-completed-game example where the MAIN CHARACTER was a VT

[Maruchan]

And was Bean a VT? Compare his relative importance to the story to say that of Vlad, who was a VT. Also, you may notice that while I acknowledged that star characters who are non magical/superhero are often VT, their immediate supporting characters are usually not.

And please go find me games where town out of the blue said "Hey, let's Massclaim" early Day 1

I don't know what Bean was, I honestly didn't pay attention, and once again, I did not know this. As Ender's Game was the first themed-game I ever played, I was not sure if it was the norm to make lead-characters VTs and their backups the PRs, or if Ender's Game was unique in that respect.

I feel like I am repeating myself, haven't I said this before? And if so why are we going in circles?

And please go find me games where scum out of the blue said "Hey, let's Massclaim" early Day 1.

[Maruchan]

EBWOP I see MoI has already pulled the "no u" argument for me on finding scum-rolefishing

[Maruchan]

I'll claim when someone who isn't voting me explicitly says they intend to vote for me, and not a moment before. I haven't had much else to say because I've caught someone who is more and more blatantly playing in a scummy fashion, and he isn't posting much (prod 2 already) and none of it is substantial, so I can't build a case on him other than what I've presented. As far as a defense? I have none, I built the meaningless Maru wagon to try to pressure reactions out of the people on it, and caught a scum tell instead, so I moved to voting for him, but rather than defending himself, he's posted basically nothing, so I'm just stuck here doing not much. I can't excuse jumping off the Maru wagon, other than with the fact I was jumping onto someone who is actually Scum, and I can't excuse my lack of scum hunting because he won't do a damn thing in his defense. If you want to hammer me for that, say so and I'll understand.

please point to this scum tell you seem to have found so I know what to defend myself from? I defended myself from what I saw needed defending, IE: SD's idiotic vote. I didn't know you supposedly found a scumtell on me

[Maruchan]

SNnake lets not play outguess the mod.

If you eel like playing outguess the mod, I will immediately full-claim so you can outguess the mod for me too.

[Maruchan]

I'm waiting for a vote count to see who I am voting

[Maruchan]

I don't like Snake's playing "Outguess the mod" so I am down for his nameclaim.

[Maruchan]

Mine makes no sense, so I would prefer you not question the mod in role distribution. Kaithnx

[Maruchan]

o.

i must've skimmed over it.

SHUSH YOU!!!!!!!

[Maruchan]

I want to hammer but I Don't want to at the same time. yakno?

[Maruchan]

I think it is POSSIBLE he is scum.
But I also think it is POSSIBLE he isn't scum.

[Maruchan]

26 hours from deadline

Anti gets my hammer in 2-3 hours.

Discuss.

[Maruchan]

Someone asked for votes on someone and I was wanting votecount to see who I was on and how many votes everyone had.

[Maruchan]

I meant to do that^ last night. but then i fell asleep.

owell

[Maruchan]

I want snake lynched JS. More to come after mod answers a question of mine.

[Maruchan]

Sigh.

I don't think the mod is going to answer the question.

this fucking sucks.



My mouse is bullshit so when I sent my last PM to the mod whenever I type it randomly will click to highlight like an entire line and since I am still typing it will erase that whole line and replace it with whatever I am typing, so I have no idea who I targeted last night.

[Maruchan]

No I was all like "if this year then blablabla if that year blablabla" but because of the whoel deleting half a lien of text thing I am not sure which person I actualyl ended up targeting.

Since the mod seems to not wish to confirm for me who I targeted,

I have either an inno on ShadowDancer, or the dead MartyMcFly.

yeah copclaim whatever blabla frlipoutnow

[Maruchan]

@Maru- If you sent in a target, it would be in your sent items. The year was 1985 before.
If you got a result, you must have sent in a target.
Claiming for no reason is bad, so at least get your claim correct before making it.

pedit-GMTA

Wow noen of yo ufucking read do you.

I wasn't sure what year the night resolved in so I sent in a message in the way of IF SUCH AND SUCH YEAR DO SUCH AND SUCH AND IF SUCH AND SUCH YEAR DO SUCH AND SUCH

and due to my shitty mouse it come out as

IF TARGET KIWI AND IF 1885 TARGET SHADOWDANVER

so idk which one I targeted.


how many tiems must I explain this?

[Maruchan]

Oh hey Dekes PMed me.

Shadow your inno.

[Maruchan]

Vote: Snake

cuz he's scum

[Maruchan]

Vote: Vezo

lolvotingcopinno.

[Maruchan]

I'm waiting for a vote count to see who I am voting

/facepalm

I hear ISOing yourself is hard.

IT IS! It requires like 6 whole clicks more of the mouse, plus like an extra 45 seconds. god damn that would be EXHAUSTING!

I want to hammer but I Don't want to at the same time. yakno?

Sounds like scum fence sitting about hammering their buddy.

We all haz perfect hindsight. Glad to know you do too.

I think it is POSSIBLE he is scum.
But I also think it is POSSIBLE he isn't scum.

More fencesitting from Maru re: Anti.

More perfect hindsight.

How bout some more hindsight. if I was scum, why would I make it so blatantly obvious I was fencesitting and cause more attention to myself? Ever think of that? No cuz your just trying to paint yourself a target for accusations.

I meant to do that^ last night. but then i fell asleep.

owell

More excuses from Maru about not hammering Anti.

How about you go ISO me? where I say I'll hammer in a couple of hours, and how I then don't post anything, anywhere on the site, till the next day? Ya you know. Because normal humans have these basic needs, involving 1. SLEEP, 2. EATING, 3. Relieving ourselves. So if you don't have to do one of these, wow dude more power to you, but unfortunately most of the people you meet in life will need ALL three.

Vote: Vezo

lolvotingcopinno.

lolvotingcopinno is the best you can do for a reason to vote Vezo? When he's not even voting SD? Scumpoints for you.

He did though even if he wasnt right that second. nice job though CALLING ME SCUM FOR VOTING THE SAME PERSON YOU FOLLOW A VOTE ON TEN POSTS LATER.

Good job bro. If you're town btw, I am totally changing my stance on blacklists, just to blacklist you. Congratulations.

[Maruchan]

^I finished the read through did you finish yours? you call kiwieagle dead confirmed townie kind of scummy and a lurker?

LMFAO

SHIT I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THIS

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THATS AWESOME

If he is town he is TOTALLY getting blacklisted now.

[Maruchan]

what does the blue mean?

[Maruchan]

@SD I gave all my scum reads already but they were Vezok, XVART and snake if you missed them.

@PeregrineV shouldn't maru be in blue as well if you are taking his claim as true?

No.Scum can fakeclaim cop with an inno on an inno jut as easily as town can claim cop with an inno on an inno.

[Maruchan]

Oh and:


GODDAMMIT I WISH I WAS THE DAYVIG!!!!!!

[Maruchan]

I'm working under the assumption that Maru is town

perfectly fine with you taking my inno to mean inno, however. Why am I not green due to this quote?

[Maruchan]

scratch that, I saw 1 black me and there are three green mes though. ignore me

[Maruchan]

@Shadow, I am afraid I never answered your statement saying you hoped for the love of god I am only 1-shot. Unfortunately I am sadly only 1-shot cop in '85.

[Maruchan]

I honestly just spaced it that night and told myself I'd answer in the morning, and knowing the way my mind works, that was a SERIOUSLY bad idea.

[Maruchan]

And I was halfway debating on whether I should claim full-cop to attract a scum-kill, or claim 1-shot to be truthful.

[Maruchan]

Mod: can I replace out please? gunna site-wide flake for awhile.

[Maruchan]

Just in case anyone didnt read my role PM, I lied about being 1-shot. I was unlimited shot, I lied to deflect the mafia kill hoping to get in a second investigation.

but then I replaced out so

[Maruchan]

Good play all. Finally, I’d also like to say this has been the most enjoyable game in my recent memory on the personality side. Not a single flair-up of name-calling and otherwise unneeded insults to be seen. Everyone should take pride in that.

Really? Nobody called me the worst player on the site in this game?

wow. Yeah this was a really civil game then guys. GJ.