1237: The Orange Box - OVER

[RedPanda]

/confirm

[RedPanda]

hello guys. im a huge fan of the games and i hope you guys are as excited about this as i am.

@robocopter
1. RED pandas. they're just the cutest things.
2. IST , from india
3. Very
4. Rain
5. i prefer scum or town PR.
6. Glados.

@CC
1. i think its one of the best games ever. i play it a lot in real life .
2. if i believe the one whos attacking me is town , il use logic to change his mind. if i believe hes scum il bait him.
3. i dont know.

[RedPanda]

So far what I'm seeing is haoala trying to wagon on Bub with Reck, then DH and hip doing the same thing on haoala. That was my first reaction upon reading the thread, anyway.

scum post, pretty obvious one too.

Lets kill this guy shall we?

VOTE: numberq

VOTE HIPLOP

You were so confident about Haoala being scum. Did you just change your vote after robocopter called you out on your obvious bus. and calling that an obvious one is just weak.

[RedPanda]

A random post on haoala after there were two serious votes on him? you even typed in caps SCUM. are you sure how the game works?

[RedPanda]

EBWOP A random vote*

[RedPanda]

Sorry im down with the flu. i was too tired to read anything last night.

@numberq You misunderstanding my vote on hiplop is weak to me. please reread my post.

to everyone else. after rereading this thread my gut tells me that numberq hiplop and haoala are our scum. just seems to me like they keep bussing each other.

[RedPanda]

@haoala i was talking about mafia in general. forum mafia might be a little different from mafia in real life but its still mafia. and calling me out on that is just lame. your actually trying to attack me when im attacking one of your scumbuddies. i guess you want to show everyone here that the obviousness of the way that both of you post is reason enough that your not scumbuddies. ive used the " its so obvious it cant be us " strategy a lot when i was scum. im not buying it.

[RedPanda]

+1 robo. exactly what i was thinking.

[RedPanda]

i said your misunderstanding of it was weak , not that it was scummy(second time you misunderstood my post).

ive placed a vote on hiplop and ive explained why i placed it. about the bussing each other part, i dont see any of your votes on anyone but you three.

[RedPanda]

il post something useful when im back from college.

[RedPanda]

I like cake.

You guys started this game really badly. It hurt my eyes.

Unvote, Vote: RedPanda

Call it unhelpful.

I don't give a fuck.

is that supposed to be a random vote?

[RedPanda]

UNVOTE VOTE HAOALA

Just for post 202.

[RedPanda]

i think thats hiplops vote and the mod just made a mistake about the name.

[RedPanda]

Safety as in don't die?

haha

VOTE HIRAKI

[RedPanda]

UNVOTE

VOTE BUB

[RedPanda]

i think weve already verified it.

[RedPanda]

On a side note, if no-one else has the same win-con as Chrono, that means she's anti-town.

Can someone verify her wincon? Not a roleclaim, just verification.

This is kind of rolefishy.

I didn't check the next page, but I'm against verifying it, at this moment.

If Chrono is alive later, we can see what happens from there.

RedPanda still has no clue what we're talking about and therefore must die.

Immediately.

You do seem like you know what your talking about. but i have no idea why your harping about something when i clearly confirmed his wincon.

[RedPanda]

Why Bub?

My vote on bub is because he wasnt swayed by both the hiplop and haoala wagon and he believed both of them were town. Either hes brilliant at reading town and scum or hes scum. im going with the latter.

[RedPanda]

xRECKONERx has been backstabbed and crushed Night 1. He was Dr. Issac Kleiner, Town Hiding Neighbour.


hiplop has been filled with bullets Night 1. He was Sniper, Town Tracking Vigilant

e.

i dont know why there are discussions about different wincons after this.

[RedPanda]

i agree with alyx being a strong claim.

[RedPanda]

@alabaska why do you think i should be the focus today?

[RedPanda]

RedPanda.

How many more questions are you going to ask?

As many as i need to.

[RedPanda]

Oversoul wrote

]Ok. Very sorry for the delay. I went to see a movie and the outing turned into a whole big adventure, but now I am here. I am tempted to vote a few people. RedPanda is one of those people. In this post he is taking Hiplop's and Robo's obvious joke and turns it into an actual vote instead of voting Hiplop for the actual scummy reasons we all thought he was scummy

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Im sorry i didnt see the obvious joke if it even was a joke. i saw it as a bus and i saw him change his vote immidiately after calling the first guy scum in caps.

Oversoul wrote

yet again, more bad reasoning that hiplop is scum. I think RedPanda is avoiding calling hiplop scum for the obvious reasons because he knew they were not legitimate scum tells and instead is trying to force other posts of Hiplop's as scum tells for when hiplop flips.

Bad reasoning? i dont think you would know good reasoning if it hit you. Your reasons why you think im scum are bad reasoning.

Oversoul wrote

Do you have any opinions on any other people? You used "reasoning" to say that Hiplop was scum, but now you are saying it is your gut? Did you forget that you were actually voting Hiplop because you found posts of his scummy?

major scum points for this post

Seriously? i used reasoning to say why i think hiplops scum = true. my gut =

both hiplop and haoala are scum

because they kept bussing each other. wait does this mean im losing scumpoints? yay!

Oversoul wrote

Ya. Do not like this post at all. He doesn't look like he is actively participating and just seems to be going with the general flow of the game which was either a Hiplop or Haola lynch.

No wait this doesnt seem true. i do seem to recall me participating more than you. and hiplop was placed L-1 already by someone which is why i unvoted and placed the L-1 on haoala because i didnt like his 202. why i didnt like his 202 ? because the exact same line he used i used before against hiplop and that time he was defending hiplop.

Oversoul Wrote

He is also quick to vote Hiraki who apparently does not have the Safety wincon (I don't either) and continues his general bad posting.

my wincon - MISSION: Safety (wins upon death of all threats to White Forest). Bad posting? back at you my friend.

Oversoul Wrote

I find it funny how Hiraki did the same thing, yet the only reason you voted Hiraki was that he does not have the same wincon as you. This post shows that RedPanda is not actively scumhunting and is content with going along with the popular idea at the time.

Again i voted him because he didnt know what safety was which is my wincon and i didnt think there would be different flavors for the wincons.i changed my vote immediately since it made more sense but again you only got that by post 306 which makes me wonder if your not smart or acting not smart. SCUMPOINTS to you for that my friend.

Oversoul wrote

He is acting like RedPanda in that he is not paying attention to the thread. Actively lurking Bub is actively lurking.

im leaning towards the not smart but ive been tricked before.

Oversoul wrote

That is a good way of putting it. At the moment, there are at least 2 town wincons I believe.

Glad you got there my friend.

@hiraki please do present your case so i may rip it apart also.

[RedPanda]

sorry, acted like a jerk. was just trying to be a little dramatic. i take it back.

[RedPanda]

A random post on haoala after there were two serious votes on him? you even typed in caps SCUM. are you sure how the game works?

You've not completed any games on-site. Are you sure you know how the game works?

I did some rereading and 2 people stand out.

Bub

for basically contributing nothing worthy so far.

Vote: numberQ

I agree with Hiplop. This looks like just narrating. There is no insight or opinion, it's just "oh, this what happened, and I'm not goin got give my opinions". Looks like fake scumhunting to me.

Sheeping. (Note that he hasn't done much at this point either)

No insight and no pressure. The post reeks of "hey everybody, I'm here and I'm reading the thread." Again, fake scumhunting. No honest attempt to follow up on your reads, no vote to try and gain more info and move the game forward, just nothing but useless narration that looks like an attempt to make you look like town. In my book, that's textbook fake scumhunting.

Just saying the same thing again.

Hiplop is probtown. Just is attitude and they way he carries himself is not consistent with scum.

Haola, on the other hand, is difficult for me to read. His early vote on me seems legit, and it moved discussion forward, as does his later vote on NumberQ. However, I don't like his "Lynch Hiplop Flowchart". That could just be a townie mistake, though.

Bub defending hiplop?

Yeah, I guess it does look bad, but I really don't have a strong opinion on Haola. I do think hiplop is town though, after re-reading him.

Looks to me like cautious scum who will say "I told you so" when I flip town.

hiplop

Was a RV on haoala

, i found ACTUAL SCUMMY BEHAVIOR, I lead a wagon on NumberQ. Its the way the game works.

They werent SUPER SRS!

just moderately. There is a

pretty high chance haoala is scum

, but NUMBERQ is more likely.

Self contradiction. His defence against Robo's wall also seems weak to me. I get the feeling that he's trying to brush accusations aside. hiplop is also playing exactly like how scum played in another game. CC, doesn't this remind you of 80's music mafia?

My vote goes to hiplop.
VOTE: hiplop

[RedPanda]

5 more days left. We going for a nolynch is not in town's best interests. we better start picking up the pace.

@hiraki post your case today or get lynched. seems like you keep postponing your case even after the deadlines nearing.

[RedPanda]

Your post = 50% misrep 50% false information. you could do better hiraki. please pay attention.

[RedPanda]

hiraki wrote

So, numberq isn't scummy?

You haven't given a legit reason why Numberq is scummy. Hiplop and Haoala are the small fry. I don't really care about them.

No legit reason. it was my gut saying they were scum because of what i thought were repeated busses. i did mention that.

hiraki wrote

The only time that RedPanda ever mentions, or notes rather, Numberq is from a quote by Bub.

yeah, this is looking swell.

Your daft. I dont have a legit reason why hes scum so you want me to keep tunneling on him for no reason?

hiraki wrote

Haoala time.

First off, apparently there's bussing between him and hiplop. Can we get something out of the way? That's fucking assuming to the max.

Could it be true? Yes. Is it? No one knows but the scum.

So basically, this point is already moot. Even better is that ISO 5 just basically says that everyone that hiplop votes is scum.

I assumed yes. like your assuming im scum now because of my assumption. People already thought they were scum. i was merely pointing out that if one of them flip scum we should make note of the the bussing.

hiraki wrote

You have to actually read RedPanda's posts guys.

Let's see what he +1's.

k?

I didnt +1 that. you have to be really stupid to assume i did that. What i agreed with robo was http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3430037. those were exactly the same reasons why i voted hiplop.

Robo wrote that which you quoted not me( i know you know that this is for the other people )

hiraki wrote

Passive Agressiveness, on the other hand, is a scumtell to me.

He basically read the last line and agreed to it. Because he didn't yell at Hiplop.

That's scummy.

Totally fail. i still cant believe that you would assume i agreed with that

Iso 10 wasnt stupid. your vote without a reason and out of nowhere was.

hiraki wrote

Small tell that I don't necessarily go with, but he's caring about one small vote.

not really that big, not really that small either though.

Really?

hiraki wrote

ISO 13 still makes no sense.

i get that you dont know the halflife reference. but when my town wincon is safety and you actually ask if safety as in dont die i had to assume you were scum. i still dont get why you dont understand simple posts and then you misrep me in everyother post.

hiraki wrote

Right and then we have ISO 11. Sorry for jumping back, but that was a big point in my last case.

but I kind of sway on it now. But I'll put it back now.

Doesn't say why, and doesn't ever e

Noticeably though, it adds another vote to Haoala.

Making on with 6 and the other 4, I believe.

Thanks This was also a big point in my case against you. First of all false information. Hiplop was at L-1 and haoala was a L-2. I dont understand what scum motivation i would have to unvote from one town and place another at L-1. Im sure you understood that and you purposely said 4 because your whole case would fall apart.

Oversoul asked me the same thing. read my post 369 check out when i raise that point haoala attacks me and then he goes on raise that same point on his attack against hiplop which is why i thought haoala was a safer bet than hiplop.

hiraki wrote

and redpanda could be lying about the wincon.

That's all. I think.

again totally fail. 5 people have confirmed that wincon. are you even reading this thread?

[RedPanda]

I still think Oversoul is the best bet, but I would also be willing to vote for Red Panda.

your willing to vote for me bub with no case? i like where my vote is at.

[RedPanda]

Hiraki wrote

K. But that's totally assumptive, so it's a shitty gut read. Which is usually a shitty scum gut read.

You shouldn't have done it in the first place then...

Both of these are stupid.

I

Hiraki wrote

have logic behind me. All you have is relations that may lead to something. I have more concrete. Am I assuming in some way? Yes, of course. Who has more force behind them? Me.

Logic lol?. you have no logic. all your doing is " OH I BELIEVE PANDA IS SCUM SO I ISO HIM AND USE ALL HIS POSTS AND MISREP HIM AND TUNNEL HIM AND ALSO CAST A LITTLE BULLSHIT ALONG THE WAY SO I GET WHAT I WANT " yea nice force.

Hiraki wrote

Would've been useful if I knew.

I'm not allowed to assume, kthx.

Hiraki wrote

Then what did you agree with?

Because you can't agree with any part of that post but the last line.

You seriously can't.

I did mention the post but maybe you i need to show you since your obviously reading everything out of context.

OK. Got a case.

This is why you should be voting hiplop:

VOTE: haola
SCUM

Lets start off with his vote. He votes haoala. His reason? He doesn't put one. People have voted before him at haoala. Note this. For this makes this vote a bandwagon vote. Hiplop looks scum. haoala did something scummy. So I said, "Bus Much?"

His terrible response was this (Also, I'm not taking anything you say as a joke. You trying to be cool like Fate or Elli and them isn't working. It makes you look bad. Also, those guys are actually hunting scum. And they do it pretty good too. They, unlike you, actually make cases and give reasons. Even if they are difficult about it. So please, save yourself the embarrassment. Because you look awful.),

PERHAPS

Again, no reason. Helps no one at all.

Then,

So far what I'm seeing is haoala trying to wagon on Bub with Reck, then DH and hip doing the same thing on haoala. That was my first reaction upon reading the thread, anyway.

scum post, pretty obvious one too.

Lets kill this guy shall we?

VOTE: numberq

He changes votes in the blink of an eye. Again, he doesn't give any reasons. I see nothing scummy about numberqs actions. And even if I did take his actions as scummy. This is barely enough for me to vote numberq or present the idea of his lynch.

Because his antics are just making him look bad, I tell him to stop his nonsense.

No. You need to stop this stuff you are doing.

Why is that an obvious scum post? numberQ is totally right. Though I don't really think DH jumped on the wagon rather than he just wasn't here to post first.

So. Please. Why is it an obvious scum post?

no thank you

the content doesnt matter, its the way he phrased it. NEWBSCUM etc

The way he phrased it. The way he phrased it was enough for you to say "Lets kill this guy shall we?" Really?

Also, notice the refusal to cooperate. I don't think its indicative of his alignment. However, it is anti town because hes just being stubborn, not realeasing info due to thinking hes cool.

the last sentence specifically is not town posting!!!

Again again and again and again he has failed to

Explain

why it is scummy/not town.

@robo, its the way people phrase things when they're new and scum. It pretty much works like a safety- and makes him never appear too one sided on any specific issue. Also, the first part is like they said; a simple narration, its not giving his opinion on anything.

Or its newbtown. I can easily see this as a "nervous that people will think hes stupid if he says the wrong thing." You are jumping to conclusions that aren't found in evidence. Its as easy that hes newbtown as he is newbscum.

So far what I'm seeing is haoala trying to wagon on Bub with Reck, then DH and hip doing the same thing on haoala. That was my first reaction upon reading the thread, anyway.

scum post, pretty obvious one too.

Lets kill this guy shall we?

VOTE: numberq

VOTE HIPLOP

You were so confident about Haoala being scum. Did you just change your vote after robocopter called you out on your obvious bus. and calling that an obvious one is just weak.

o_O Not sure if serious

Was a RV on haoala, i found ACTUAL SCUMMY BEHAVIOR, I lead a wagon on NumberQ. Its the way the game works.

He is serious. You switched votes right after I called you out on it. Why do you have this level of ego that makes you think that whatever he says doesn't apply?

Whoa whoa whoa. It was a RV? Since when? Why are you explaining this now? You found actual scummy behavior on numberq? You mean possible a newbscum bad phrasing. Thats not very solid. Its not the game works. You switched votes super fast and he asked you why. I wanna know why too.

They werent SUPER SRS!

just moderately. There is a pretty high chance haoala is scum, but NUMBERQ is more likely.

"SCUM" is clearly a super serious case that shows that I'm not going to change my mind at all this phase, especially when its 4> pages in [/sarcasm]

Now you are changing your story. You said it was a random vote. meaning there was no backing to said vote. but now you are saying he is scummy. AND that there is a

high chance

he is scum? Really? High chance? Me thinks not. Numberq is more likely than "High chance" its like you think hes confirmed scum.

You can change your mind, but not into straight contradictions. You can change your mind without saying that you didn't do something you said you did but really didn't do.

yeah, can we please all just kill numberq? Sheep me and you will PROFIT

Again with the thinking your cool. Your accusation is as flimsy as <something super flimsy here>. Unless you make a case then I don't see any reason to believe you.

Some people's reactions to haoala's wagon are amazing.
For example, Hiplop's #94 and #96.
In #94 we admits Haoala's scumminess, but says NumberQ is scummier. This is exactly the same as the "Vote: town, FoS: scumbuddy" tactic I've seen used before. In #96 he wants everyone to jump off the wagon (even though Haoala is scummy to him), and onto his wagon.
Sounds like scum trying to get scumbuddy out of trouble.
VOTE: Haoala
I'll take Reck's place

ON PAGE FIVE MY READS ARE MOST DEFINITELY SOLID.

Not sure how you could possibly think im scum but OK you do that captain corporal. What about the 90% of town players who have more than one scumread? Why are you clearly ignoring the more common situation?

You said they were solid. You said HIGH CHANCE. You said that numberq was EVEN HIGHER. That sounds like you said your reads were pretty darn solid to me. So tell me, whats your story this time? Its seems to change every time.

VOTE: haola

Numberq last post was townish, haoala is being the opposite

Why? Why is his post townish. Why is haoala's vote not townish? Reasons. Explanations for reasons. Case. Vote. Simple as that.

ALL THE WAGONS ARE GOOD WAGONS.

Vote: haoala

AJ is still scum, though we can take care of his buddy first.

idk theres an idiotic wagon on me

Nice defense. "idiotic wagon on me". Good job. This totally makes me think you aren't scum. [/sarcasm]

Disrespectfully agree!

Wish this was a DOUBLE LYNCH game

This is totally useless. Fluff that does nothing. Explains nothing. Defends against nothing. Accuses nothing. Nothing.

Summary: hiplop has changed his vote, changed his story, not explained anything. Been uncooperative. This is not an "idiotic wagon".

Hiplop: Make a defense. Don't say its and idiotic wagon. Don't be stubborn and say "no thank you". Stop trying to act cool. And do something useful.

VOTE: Hiplop

Robo out for now.

That was exactly my case on hiplop. i dont understand why you find it so hard to understand simple stuff.

I

Hiraki wrote

was nowhere on your scumlist. I make one random vote, and you vote me.

What does that tell me?

You have no clue who the scum actually is, and are just being opportunistic to the max.

I like cake.

You guys started this game really badly. It hurt my eyes.

Unvote, Vote: RedPanda

Call it unhelpful.

I don't give a fuck.

is that supposed to be a random vote?

and i voted for you where?

Hiraki wrote

haoala (5) - DemonHybrid, numberQ, hiplop, xRECKONERx, Oversoul
hiplop (5) - RedPanda, Captain Corporal, Chronopie, Robocopter87, haoala

No one voted before you did, so that's a complete lie. GG.

haoala (5) - DemonHybrid, numberQ, hiplop, xRECKONERx, Oversoul
hiplop (5) - RedPanda, Captain Corporal, Chronopie, Robocopter87, haoala

alabaskaJ wrote

post 223
right now i feel comfortable saying

vote: hiplop

as it seems pretty evident to me (and xRECKONERx, ironically enough) voting outside of hiplop and haola will just stall our day (although i am going to review Red Panda). one last closing thought:

So your post is a lie?

Hiraki wrote

And here's this fluff that RP puts in Oversoul's case.

That little push that I must've manipulated something, because I must be wrong.

no me gusta.

You have manipulated something. You have no case apart from some bullshit. No concrete no force.

Hiraki wrote

No clue! It's not like we all know that they're both town!

Oh wait.

We do.

No wait no wait. You couldn't explain could you so you have to resort to bullshit again. If i was scum And if i knew Hiplop and haoala were town beforehand what was the neccesity for me to switch votes at the last minute and paint a target on my back?

Robo wrote

The thing is, anybody after me who voted Hiraki after I did isn't confirmed. I know it sounds selfcentered or something but I since I was the first, mine was the first legit reaction to it.

RedPanda could have just been copying me. As could the people after that.

Fair enough.

Hiraki wrote

Funny how RedPanda skips some points.

This is policy now.

What points? ive answered every single thing.Stop tunneling on me with bad facts. it makes you look foolish.

[RedPanda]

@pinkfloyd Who did you use Emp on Last night?

[RedPanda]

Basically your attack was crap. and ive defended myself enough. Concrete evidence? All your attacks were fail. ive responded to eveything. You misrep and give false information about me and then tell me to cut the crap? and those points were stupid. ive responded to everything else.

Also i dont think your scum not yet anyway. the only time i thought you were scum was when you Asked him what safety was but thats been addressed already which makes your whole reason about me getting worried about your vote and voting for you is crap. an iso of all your posts show that youve done zero till now and why did You push all your attacks at me so close to the deadline?

[RedPanda]

Panda, your case for voting Hiplop was Robocopter's case? What the hell is that. ._. Please explain that part of your post.

Bub, want to tunnel me a little harder? Nice way to put your foot in both doors for lynch candidates as well. So townie.

Guys, we need activity of some sort. I don't care who you vote just as long as life is breathed back into this game.

MY CASE WAS THE SAME AS HIS. I PRESENTED THAT CASE AND ROBO ELABORATED ON IT FURTHER.

[RedPanda]

You misrepresented me by posting something I said in my first attack about your robo +1.

Because I didn't know which post it was, I was unaware of what it was really going for.

However, that apparently gave you the right to push that point again after I explained my mistake.

Scummy? No. Mucho assholo? Si senor.

And you didn't respond to the first part of my case, and some details in the middle.

If someone else requests it, I will do it.

I'm not taking any more of your crap though.

Im guilty of being the same type of asshole you are. I even linked to that post in my previous defense. your just lame. The fact is im talking at your level and bullies dont like it when people stand up to them so they turn into wusses. you cant respond because you got burned.

[RedPanda]

Pity i dont have time to change peoples minds. nice going there Using the deadline advantage Hiraki.
Right now ive got two options
1- i claim and we can move on to real scum
2- move on to real scum.

just let me know if the majority wants me to claim.

[RedPanda]

And Pinkfloyd who was your night 1 target?

[RedPanda]

You must be hirakis fan boy. apart from contributing nothing to the game you scumhunt like crap just like him. Hirakis whole wall = bullshit. when i call him out on it. hes like " oh yeah i made mistakes but no u missed something " fail is fail.

there are 4 votes on me now. the next person dont vote just ask for my claim and i will. i dont want any accidental hammers.

[RedPanda]

cute

[RedPanda]

hey hiraki.

Maybe you should realize your full of crap.

Actually scratch that. Your too obnoxious to realize that. So i guess i have no choice but to claim to show your sorry reads as nothing but bullshit.

NAME: Dr. Gordon Freeman

MISSION: Safety (wins upon death of all threats to White Forest).

ABILITIES: See below.

3) Repel - Active. May be used at Night. You can use the Gravity Gun to hurl heavy objects at someone, killing them.

Not going to let you guys know what my other two abilities are. pointless though huge target on my back thanks to one guys Crappy reads.

Now hiraki im not going to vote for you now because i dont know if your scum. the Way you post is great strategy you cant get any reads out of it. so i need to decide on my vig target. i have to decide whether your just a townie with crappy reads or your scum. so help me decide here.

[RedPanda]

Oh i live for now? is that a scum claim? Are you going to kill me tonight? SO easy to misrepresent that right. Anyway looking at your last post I see youve learned nothing. I bet your targeting Numberq because you thought he bussed me but im not scum. Whatever your reason was for voting him is gonna be fail. Im very happy to say your my next vig target.
@Robo nice to see that you think its town vs town only after i claimed. And how can you even say that guys town. i bet he plays like that everygame regardless of whether hes town or scum.

If hiraki flips scum when i vig him = good for town. if he flips town = good for town. Hes just a troll Who does more damage to town as town.

VOTE CAPTAIN CORPORAL

Since nobodys voting for bub. your my second scum suspect after him.

[RedPanda]

Your a dead man my friend. You should actually learn to play. i dont mind your playstyle. its actually quite good. But your goofs ruin it completely. you should practice more. again this is all if your town.

[RedPanda]

Oversoul your scum arent you. thanks for making it easy.

UNVOTE VOTE OVERSOUL

[RedPanda]

cute

[RedPanda]

aw shit. we could have won this easy. anyway i thought this was a great setup. and the mod was actually pretty much more active than all of us here.