1237: The Orange Box - OVER

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confirming it up

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1. What is your favorite animal?
2. What timezone are you in? And if not too prying, where you from?
3. Are you excited about this game?
4. If I say Tornado, whats the first thing to come to your mind?
5. Do you prefer scum, town, or third party? Also, whats your favorite role?
6. Whats your favorite Orange Box character?

1) Penguin.
2) EST. And my location is A small town in ontario, called mount forest
3)Yes! I love unconventional games, they EXCITE~ me and bring me JOY~
4) RUN
5) 3rd party, and being SK or Cult Recruiter is FUN~. Also like scum and Town PR (vig most, IM A KILLA)
6) Hm. Very difficult choice, probably DOG

1. Why do you play Mafia?
2. How do you react to people attacking you?
3. What will you be known for in this game?

1) fun
2) sometimes anger, sometimes sarcasm, sometimes logic, sometimes disappear/lurk
3) IDK, i'm different in just about every game.

oh and sup robo

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VOTE: haola
SCUM

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PERHAPS

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So far what I'm seeing is haoala trying to wagon on Bub with Reck, then DH and hip doing the same thing on haoala. That was my first reaction upon reading the thread, anyway.

scum post, pretty obvious one too.

Lets kill this guy shall we?

VOTE: numberq

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No. You need to stop this stuff you are doing.

Why is that an obvious scum post? numberQ is totally right. Though I don't really think DH jumped on the wagon rather than he just wasn't here to post first.

So. Please. Why is it an obvious scum post?

no thank you

the content doesnt matter, its the way he phrased it. NEWBSCUM etc

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the last sentence specifically is not town posting!!!

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@robo, its the way people phrase things when they're new and scum. It pretty much works like a safety- and makes him never appear too one sided on any specific issue. Also, the first part is like they said; a simple narration, its not giving his opinion on anything.

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So far what I'm seeing is haoala trying to wagon on Bub with Reck, then DH and hip doing the same thing on haoala. That was my first reaction upon reading the thread, anyway.

scum post, pretty obvious one too.

Lets kill this guy shall we?

VOTE: numberq

VOTE HIPLOP

You were so confident about Haoala being scum. Did you just change your vote after robocopter called you out on your obvious bus. and calling that an obvious one is just weak.

o_O Not sure if serious

Was a RV on haoala, i found ACTUAL SCUMMY BEHAVIOR, I lead a wagon on NumberQ. Its the way the game works.

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They werent SUPER SRS!

just moderately. There is a pretty high chance haoala is scum, but NUMBERQ is more likely.

"SCUM" is clearly a super serious case that shows that I'm not going to change my mind at all this phase, especially when its 4> pages in [/sarcasm]

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yeah, can we please all just kill numberq? Sheep me and you will PROFIT

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Some people's reactions to haoala's wagon are amazing.
For example, Hiplop's #94 and #96.
In #94 we admits Haoala's scumminess, but says NumberQ is scummier. This is exactly the same as the "Vote: town, FoS: scumbuddy" tactic I've seen used before. In #96 he wants everyone to jump off the wagon (even though Haoala is scummy to him), and onto his wagon.
Sounds like scum trying to get scumbuddy out of trouble.
VOTE: Haoala
I'll take Reck's place

ON PAGE FIVE MY READS ARE MOST DEFINITELY SOLID.

Not sure how you could possibly think im scum but OK you do that captain corporal. What about the 90% of town players who have more than one scumread? Why are you clearly ignoring the more common situation?

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Ok, that entire post was AtR. Triple points for that
I'm ignoring everyone else who has more than one scum read:
a) Because there are almost none
b) Because I don't think they're scum.
c) Because they're not using scum tactics

...LOL

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VOTE: haola

Numberq last post was townish, haoala is being the opposite

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ALL THE WAGONS ARE GOOD WAGONS.

Vote: haoala

AJ is still scum, though we can take care of his buddy first.

idk theres an idiotic wagon on me

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Disrespectfully agree!

Wish this was a DOUBLE LYNCH game

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RUDE

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Or its newbtown. I can easily see this as a "nervous that people will think hes stupid if he says the wrong thing." You are jumping to conclusions that aren't found in evidence. Its as easy that hes newbtown as he is newbscum.

Strongest case available at the time, reaction fishing all blended into a nice sexy package.

The way he phrased it. The way he phrased it was enough for you to say "Lets kill this guy shall we?" Really?

Also, notice the refusal to cooperate. I don't think its indicative of his alignment. However, it is anti town because hes just being stubborn, not realeasing info due to thinking hes cool.

As someone who is extremely competent with english, and may get a MASTERS in it next year; yes, the way he phrased it is enough to do that.

Whoa whoa whoa. It was a RV? Since when? Why are you explaining this now? You found actual scummy behavior on numberq? You mean possible a newbscum bad phrasing. Thats not very solid. Its not the game works. You switched votes super fast and he asked you why. I wanna know why too.

Wasnt a serious vote, hence a RV.

Thought it was obvious. Yes I did.

It is how the game works.

Haoala wagon makes tons of sense now, earlier it did not.

You said they were solid. You said HIGH CHANCE. You said that numberq was EVEN HIGHER. That sounds like you said your reads were pretty darn solid to me. So tell me, whats your story this time? Its seems to change every time.

Solid for page 5 votes ya. GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH USELESS.

Why? Why is his post townish. Why is haoala's vote not townish? Reasons. Explanations for reasons. Case. Vote. Simple as that.

you're showing more and more that you dont like me more than you think im scum, cool dont bring that in the game.

This is totally useless. Fluff that does nothing. Explains nothing. Defends against nothing. Accuses nothing. Nothing.

Yup it is.

Haoala is scum, and its pretty damn obvious. numberq remains at #2, but her latest post was sincere, haoala does NOT smell like town. Hes being opportunistic, and has been all game.

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robo, Don't be so damn condescending. I'm not "trying to be cool". And its rather insulting to bluntly say that, you know NOTHING about me. And quite frankly, You shouldnt be talking about lack of cooperation. I've done significantly more than you this game, I just see no need to bs and MAKE THINGS UP.

If you can't handle my playstyle being different than yours, maybe mafia isnt right for you considering TONS of people play like this, "cases" aren't needed for everything.

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because the first half was explained in one of the posts you quoted

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hey robo, why did you completely ignore my post

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dont havve much to say...

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my item is a lie =[

captain corporal is awful, but town.

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Even if I/they were scum, your cases are beyond awful. Its complete nitpicking, like look at that last post. you're not trying to find scum, you're trying to establish an ego.

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So the strongest case was someone who phrased something wrong. Alright. I understand this even though I disagree. Now. Heres my problem with this, you pushed his lynch. You pushed a lynch on the person who you barely had any evidence on. Besides one bad phrase. You asked people to sheep you. Why? You barely had enough evidence to say he was totally scum.

Yup.

Alright. Lets say that you are right in saying that his phrasing was scummy.

It is still not enough to call him higher than high chance.

High is a relative word, I didnt mean "HES CONFIRMED SCUM".

No. Day One interactions and suspicions are among the most important. Used later on for connections. Scum make more connections to their scumbuddies on Day one than any other day because they fell more confident in their secrecy. If they are useless, then why do you want him dead so bad?

Its pretty obvious we weren't going to get a lynch that early, but the effect works MUCH better if you don't say that. Scum will get panicky. Meanwhile someone ie you will get all BY THE BOOK on everyone and say not to.

I like you, I really do. I respect you as a player and enjoy playing with you. However, your actions are scummy to me. Your attitude towards this game was foul. I'm sorry for being rude and all that. But I wasn't going to just let it slide. For if I didn't say anything about it, then you would never stop. We are moving on from this. That isn't important to the game. Lets get back to game here. This is for some other time and place.

You haven't said why I am scummy, therefore not telling you those reason

Really the post just reads as sincere @numberq.

Ok. Thanks for your reasons. I'm glad you posted that. <-Serious. However, I would still like more. Such as quotes of his opportunism. Not because I don't believe you. But to back up your accusation.

If you believe me why do you need that

Establish an ego? Explan

You're saying things you've read others say that dont apply at all.

Im confirmed town, IDK why you guys are lynching me

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just flip out and make it quick I want to sleep

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if you honestly think I'm scum, do a ridiculouly quick meta on me, I told you, I'm confirmed town o_o

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@Self-Meta. I didnt say anything about what the meta is, I just told you to look at it. I'm pretty incapable of copying my town meta, and its pretty obvious too, thats why im confirmed town, its a slight exageration but still.

Haoala going for the easy lynch is NOTED.

at this stage, is it really nitpicking? we are scavenging for evidence early on…we don't have much to work with.

Nitpicking to me means something that isnt actually there, ie making something out of nothing. Thats what it was, his post honestly had no merit at all, and I'd be willing to say hes a scumbuddy of haoala, hes not actually doing ANYTHING. Just trying to look like it.

hiplop's 196 is not gelling with me. He admits the first point is right, counters that the second is semantics (i regard that as a weak defense, unless it is an obvious misunderstanding, which doesn't seem to be the case here), i don't understand his defense of the third point (if it's pretty obvious the lynch isn't gonna happen, why invest so much into it? you seem to imply that scum will get panicky if they are quickwagonned at the beginning, but i don't see why a townie wouldn't panic), straight up refuses to answer the fourth (red flag), (i am confused by his response to the fifth one; was that post by numberq or robo?), and the establish and ego comment is still not explained well. the assertion that he is town DEFINITELY doesn't help is case, as a cursory glance at that post can certainly confuse people who aren't as active.

First was mudslinging
2nd was a misunderstanding
3rd - its scumhunting, I'm pretty good at this game and can tell when its scum or not, the reactions will be different (town mindset it "you're wrong", scums is "ofuck you're on to me")
4th was him, and I was joking around. It does have some merit, however. He hasnt said why I'm scum, but hes pursued me for a long time.

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Hiplop, resorting to self-meta is not the way to go.
There was more AtR in #199. More scummyness =D

see posts like this are why i dont listen to you.

AtR is not fucking anything. Every post should be appealing to reasoning, the only ways to convince people are AtE or AtI (Appeal to Intellect)

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YOUR FACE GODDAMMIT

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umbrage I had fun with our PM session about the cake, quality stuff!

I had fun in this game, wish they didnt rip me

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@ Robo: Yeah, I screwed up with the FLAVOUR EVERYWHERE bit. There was a similar issue in the scum QT.

It was the only reason I joined the game. But like I said, you didn't do half bad. Besides the obvious flaw in the setup, it really isn't that bad. And seeing as your new to the whole modding thing, I'm definitely letting it slide.

@Hiplop: I'm sorry. I acted rash.

bitch ass boy only good role town had too