Mini 1259: RPG Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Shadow Dancer]

vote Fate

Obvious choice is obvious.

[Shadow Dancer]

Wow, 18 pages already... this is one of

these

games... Just hope it's not mostly some Fate-ranting...
Definitely not catching up today... Probably tomorrow, but I have another game that I also need to catch up in right now and that has priority for me in that regard right now (i.e. close to deadline). But you can expect some content at the end of the week, promisse!

[Shadow Dancer]

Began to catch up... Pretty sure I won't manage anything meaningful today... But when I stumble upon something or a question droected at me I'll just answer it on my way through...

@Aurorus: Are you serious? Is voting you actually an option/hidden game mechanic or are you just playing along on the jerking around?

[...] Shadow Dancer, how did you know that the day kill was fake?

This has become lame gambit no. 1 for a long time now... Also - why would I have to "know" it to RV fate?

[Shadow Dancer]

umm yeah I got bard and didnt know what to do with it so I censored the swear words

Sorry fate.

Erm...
er...
wha... wha...

Is this

serious

... I mean.... It seems to be with Fate confirming it... But... but...

*HeadpalmFacedeskFOREHEADTHROUGHTHEFUCKINGWALL!!!* OUCH! OUCH!! OUCH!!!

Why?

WHY?!
...would you even pick a class that you obviously had no idea what to do with? And don't tell me it was on the bottom of your pick list. That you got that role (though I assume it not to be popular at all) means it was at least a mediocre pick for you that hence you'd know

something

to do with...

You get mod confirmed stances (albeit useless unless you can also prove your skill level), a massive busdrive... And you chose that useless skill - and use it to limit FATE in the swearwords he can use? Instead of doing anything with at least

some

impact on the game?!??!?!!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously... I had to restrain myself to not have this look like one of Fate's allcaps posts... But you just navigated yourself into a situation where you'll be the target of every cheap joke I can come up with for the rest of this game... Don't complain, you provoked it, you

demanded

it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Fate you have no read on me.

Fate doesn' tneed to replace out. Fate needs to stop spamming.

Kiwieagle did a bad move, but it is not indicative of alignment even if Fate is telling the truth.

Either kiwieagle is town or we find scum by looking which 3 players in this game have an added up IQ of not more than 90... Who were all "great choice, we don't need that busdrive, we don't need to sell lies to town... But that silence thingy sounds great... We'll use it to prevent Fate from using 1 % of his favourite swear words... That'll

cripple

town...!"
No, kiwi is as confirmed town as you can get on D1.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh im sorry I dont constantly play mafiascum. And if you actually checked I have been browsing this page the past 50 minutes. Guess why? Dinner! (I left this page open )Timeater answer me this -> a better way to build bard is? Honestly.

Any

other way!

[Shadow Dancer]

OK... Then I need to read on obviously... Still... What a waste of a skillpoint.

[Shadow Dancer]

Just forget it... I was assuming that Fate and Kiwi did not both fuck it up... He only wasted

one

skill point which means there are other candidates for my cheap jokes to come... Still kiwi is most likely town.

Speaking of cheap-joke-targets - Gandalf is a set candidate on my list... But besides that... Or rather the very reason for that - is that Gandalf just fails in this game - and he never ever improves. That being said he is so clearly scummy in this game - even more than he normally is - all his latest post read like scum desperately craving for consistency - that I am very tempted to hammer him which I will just do if he doesn't fullclaim within the next 24h or so...

unvote

for now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Uh... That's bad formulation... The first "this game" refers to mafia in general, the second to

this

particular game...

[Shadow Dancer]

Mastin, you're my hero. You managed what I could only bring rather half-heartedly over myseld - picking away that wretched Shadewalker role so scum wouldn't get it.

vote Per

He spends the beginning of his ISO only questioning other's reads and then major part of it tryng to undermine the Pinkie lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

Addendum: I tried to put a finger on what it is that makes Per so incredibly scummy this game. I figured it out: It's the harsh sarcasm that suddenly shows when the Pinky waggon approaches lynch. That's untypical for Per.

[Shadow Dancer]

You people

Are really pissing me off

Why don't you know how to use skill points

Why don't you know how to pick classes

Why the fuck did you massclaim. THERE ARE NO BREAKABLE STRATEGIES MANG, AND SCUM CAN EASILY LIE. Oh, but apparently OS didn't know that, or fate for that matter.

I don't give a fuck at this point, I'm lynching Fate. If Fate were a high town read, I would still put this vote down, because he needs to die. He is claiming a useless USELESS role and hiding behind "I'M BEING SILLYZ GUYZ AHAHAHHAHA OH AND LET ME JUST GET RID OF MY VOTE SO THAT I DONT HAVE TO COMMITT LOLOLOL"

vote fate

Well well, here's our last scum... Not that it wasn't pretty obvious from the get-go...

Unvote

. Hammering this guy as soon as I am finished reading...

[Shadow Dancer]

I picked it so that scum couldn't, you fucking morons, it was my FIRST choice by the way.I saved.. peregrine last night? Let me go check, I saved one of the two people with a BRAIN from day 1.

Lolwhat? Which brain did Per have? Definitely not his own... Or he just wasn't using it... What do I know...

[Shadow Dancer]

LOL I bet the scums listed the same exact list for all 3 best classes so they would be guaranteed those roles.

If they did my 90 combined IQ points theory was actually a compliment

[Shadow Dancer]

I DONT KNOW WHAT ROLES SCUM HAS, AND I'LL THEORYCRAFT LATER. OH WAIT NO I WONT BECAUSE THIS GAME IS AWFUL, YOU CAN GO THEORYCRAFT WHY HE WOULD.RB THE DOCTOR. I guess you're scum with Fate?

MR. "FATE FUCKS UP THIS GAME FOR ME" IS BEHAVING LIKE FATE NOW. CONGRATULATIONS. WITH THIS ATTITUDE ONE SHOULD AT LEAST ASSUME YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED SENSE FOR IRONY TO DO SO... OH, YOU HAVEN'T?!?! TOO BAD!

[Shadow Dancer]

My logic is flawless, what are you spouting? Either refute it formally using real arguments outside of axioms which you alone hold, or forever hold your peace.

Flawless? I don't even care, it's a pain to read either way and does not make you any less scummy!

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]you also will be posting much more analysis than "he's scum".

This supposed to demonstrate your magic mushroom foreboding powers? Because it better be not an attempt in commanding me around.

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]

Okay, do you want to post reads/analysis or not?

I post what ever seems required at any given time. What you get is what you deserve and stuff.

Nah... I guess you know that I am the tamplar by now... I'd prefer to vig tomorrow, because of sanity issues and stuff...

I got an innocent on mist, but with junpei scum that's obviously not meaningful at all.

Junpei has to go now.

I'd aprreciate protections going my way this night so I can vig the hell out of whoever is still standing scum tomorrow. Thanks.

vote Junpei

Everything else can be sorted out tomorrow.

[Shadow Dancer]

Why vig the obvious lynch? Are you mad, what a waste. NO! Just drop the hammer already and we will be done with it by tomorrow. Another confirmedly sane investigation with nielwarren gone and a vig. I won't give that up just to speed up Junpei's death by some hours...
And scum cannot prevent it with Hindu protecting me.

[Shadow Dancer]

I thought that was shadowdancer.

pedit: wait, if shadowdancer was the templar, why vote fate?

The templar gambit was pretty much the only thing gandalf did that was

not

highly suspect. Plus I could not withstand the temptation, knowing that it might be my only chance to get a legitimate Fate vote going in this game.

Why is Junpei still alive. Over, what do you expect him to do which he hasn't done already by now?

[Shadow Dancer]

Seriously? You can't take on Fate so you vote Per now?
I'll so vig you at dawn!

[Shadow Dancer]

Did anybody else realize that Junpei used the time, that he was, according to himself, going to use for "analysis", for more "later! Promisse!" posts.

[Shadow Dancer]

Point is: If I shoot Per

now

it's well possible that I suicide instead.
Similarly Mist is at least a very bad shot (or lynch) now because of Life Drain.

@Aurorus: As what kind of skill would Life Drain be treated in NAR?

Junpei is our lynch for today anyway, no need to vig him. If he survives because of Faith he's confirmed scum nontheless.
I could vig Rice, but that's not so urgent and definitely not worth giving up my cop sanity for.
Per is also a bad investigatio target because of "Smoke and Mirrors" (damn, he could even be a pain to lynch, but that's to be seen tomorrow). But with Junpei dead every one else is a good target.

[Shadow Dancer]

You should have skilled one level of assassinate
Peregrine is online, I am very curious what

he

has to say.

[Shadow Dancer]

No, wait. Pere, without reading you claim your role and skills right

now

. DO IT!

[Shadow Dancer]

No, it's OK. You can hammer now. Flinter did not skill bloodlust.

[Shadow Dancer]

@time

: Sorry if this was unclear. I thought I was pretty open about it. Obviously I skilled cop[2], vig[1]. No use for a "hidden" vig shot.

[Shadow Dancer]

Sorry, I don't see wha your question is al about.

[Shadow Dancer]

When you are playing scum, what would you say gives you away?

Lol. You serious? You should ask that question every one but me. Because if I know of etcetc... You get the point. You can find my scum games in my wiki if you're interested in meta.

[Shadow Dancer]

Mist

, you can vote Junpie now, it wouldn't be a hammer. So that excuse us no longer viable.

I'll probably lifedrain some people to verify skillbuilds.

For example?

shadow + mist

has to be

Oh, cool, I am still on some one's scum list. Hey, scum , do you see that. So no trying to kill me toonight, you need me as an easy mislynch tomorrow. Ain't many alternatives available, so you better keep me around!

[Shadow Dancer]

Per, Mod told you how many players targeted you?... There was such a skill... BUt not for the mystic... Please make some sense out odf this.

[Shadow Dancer]

So... You didn't do anything, kiwi?

@Hindu: What? NO! I targeted mist, I already claimed that.

[Shadow Dancer]

The only interesting question right now is still this one: Why should Aurorus send any PM to Per, telling him that he was targeted three times? Especially if he did not use his watch (on self)?

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, Per, so you're saying that you know that you were mod-informed that you were targeted by a third abilty that no one has claimed yet. By the name or effect of it (there's obviously no reason to inform you about it if it had no noticable effecvt on you) you should know by now who/which role/what skill it was. Any reason why you aren't disclosing this to every one?

[Shadow Dancer]

Maybe... the

reads

you promissed, Jun?

[Shadow Dancer]

Town does things for the game until the very last second when the mod locks the thread, scum is only concerned not to be lynched and will give up after that... Another scummy reaction from Junpei. Can we lynch now. He hasn't posted one read that he promissed.... And he's posted a lot. How long are you going to let him stall it?

[Shadow Dancer]

Junpei targeted him with a heal? :/

How would he even know?
I think Jun claimed to have targeted Per. Per just took it for granted.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Junpei: How comes that every one can give reads and hunt scum with the game going on, only you need a "cease-posting" to do so? Stop the lame excuses.

[Shadow Dancer]

"I protected scum because they post so nice..."
You dserve to die. Even as town you'd have deserved nothing better. Seriously... Can't remember ever to have seen worse last minute distancing, by the way.

And, yes, if I turn up dead tonight you know that hindu needs to get rope...

I agree that pickpocket and discord are better not used.

[Shadow Dancer]

How do you know it's a mislynch, Time?

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, that's actually a good idea... I don't know whether it would take priority before Smoke And Mirrors....

[Shadow Dancer]

Its fate/flinter probably

Yeah, Fate's scum. And scum targeted Fate last night.

So you protected Fate although you consider him scum?!

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, yeah, it's double lynch day today. So be careful where you put your vote. I suggest you use

vig X

instead of

vote x

for the first one

[Shadow Dancer]

No, he lost it during D2/N2.

I'm saying I asked AV about Mist's powers and when she had his BP. He just got it back TODAY. She told me to protect Templar LAST NIGHT. Since I knew about her powers taking the BP, I protected Fate TONIGHT. There was no kill this morning. 2+2=4 and Mist is scum. Lock it in.

Mist cannot be scum, I investigated her in N1 and got innocent. Only way for her to be scum is with either Kiwi (using his redirect... unlikely) or Junpei (blessing) which we now know not to be the case...

[Shadow Dancer]

Sorry if I destroyed your gambit. But probably you should stop to just look out for fail scum...

And now to something completely different:

Dear scummy scumheads,

let's assume, just theoretically for now of course, that I had a guilty result on one of your scummy arses tonight... Now would probably a good time to start some bussing, just in case you haven't done it already. Or what do you think? I'll enjoy the show

Yours sincerely
- Shadow -

[Shadow Dancer]

Makes picking them out only easier

[Shadow Dancer]

I have heard more than enough reactions from Tim to be convinced that he is scum by now. The very moment I brought up the possibility of a guilty result he overreacted to it. Defnitely scum, affraid to end up on the wrong end of the knife.

And you know what the funny think is: I don't even have a guilty. Had I had one I'd just blew his head off at dawn. I got an innocent on Fate, anticipating scum trying to set him up as a mislynch and considering what a monstrous confirmed townie he makes with his invincibility skillset.

And, yes, I'll basically use my vig like a lynch, but with full veto on my part, i.e. if I am reasonably sure that some one is town (i.e. most people in this game) or a better lynched (i.e. Per a.k.a. "Smoke and Mirrors") I won't shoot.

That being said I fully agree with Rice & Tim vig/lynch in any order... Rice should claim her night result ASAP. No need to hold that info back if there is any.

[Shadow Dancer]

You're right. No reason to delay this shot.

crusade Tim

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, and Fate, please do something about losing your vote every day. Should this game reach LyLo you will need to have gotten the hang of it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Wow. If you are town you are really really really really really...

really

fucking stupid.... I mean really... The conspiray is everywhere, right? it's me and Fate and Mist .... and Hind....

and

Kiwi... Damn, scum are obviously so frick'n numerous this game they should have won by now...

[Shadow Dancer]

Do you really want to keep Rice around in all her uselessness? If we want to lynch Rice we should do it now. Per is another good lynch. I think Flinter is town. No need to test her claim now. Did she claim her night action, by the way?

[Shadow Dancer]

She claimed 1-2-0, right? Anyway... Safest action would be to have some one scummy hammer. That'd be Per or Rice right now if you ask me. That being said we could start by just lynching one of those two and if that doesn't net us a scum lynch we can go for a double strike tomorrow.

Anyway - good night for now.

[Shadow Dancer]

^This!

^^Seriously, Per - your best suggestion for a lynch is "test the cop"? Why don't you start "real scumhunting" right now? And Fate is confirmed town

anyway

unless you think it's him and Hindu which would also require me to be scum... So: No!

[Shadow Dancer]

@Per: People who are either confirmed town or who I have a town read on agreed with me on the shot. It was more of a "give me your opinion" thing then "I'll definitely shoot whoever you vote for".

And, yes, for Fate to be scum I would have to be too (because of investigation) and Hindu would have to be (doc protection, and do you really think scum went for nokill just for the WIFOM?!). But thanks for attemting to sling some mud that way again...
I suggest you point out who you think is scum and why right now.

And:

vote Rice

I have enough of her doing nothing and discrediting/blaming others for it. "Fate is derpydyderping" is an abysmal reason to not participate.

[Shadow Dancer]

....

Trying to Iso the hell out of every one... For the nth time now... But I always come to the same conclusions: I want megalurker Rice to flip because I she almost

has

to be scum by process of elimination alone....
Town: me, Fate, Mist, Hindu, Flin, Over, Kiwi in that order... That only leaves Per and Rice... I tried to second guess myself, but Junpei and Tim lynches already turned out bad... And I wish I had just shot Rice at dawn No way we're carrying her all the way through to LyLo... If I am still really wrong with my reads I need to know it

now

.

I have actually had some recent games with Per, Kiwiw and Over... I'll revisit those, maybe I can find some meta-related discrepancies... Will do it tomorrow... But I don't think that's a very promissing attempt anyway...

[Shadow Dancer]

@Per: Where did you get all these strange theories from, by the way. the Future Mafia (he was town in that game, and pretty obviously as far as I can remember...)? Like "lynching cops to test their claims" or likewise "lynching claimed millers to test them" in Back to

[Shadow Dancer]

Whatever hppened to this post... Here's it again:

@Per: Where did you get all these strange theories from, by the way. Like "lynching cops to test their claims" or likewise "lynching claimed millers to test them" in Back to the Future Mafia (he was town in that game, and pretty obviously as far as I can remember...)?

[Shadow Dancer]

You're all extremely impatient.

1) It's important to remember that Junpei could still have been scum (High Priest always flips town).

Uh?

@mod: Is High Proest a Death-Godfather?

Would surprise me if he were.

3) My actual skill build is of no importance. Maybe I'm a 3-point PGO, or perhaps a tracker. Doesn't affect much right now.

Uh? That's not a townie approach to your role - What about you firebombing yourself and claiming what sear has revealed so far? Info for town and scum just wouldn't want to kill you?

4) Flinter sounds like the best lynch today.

VOTE:Flinter

Reasons?!

[Shadow Dancer]

Recently, because of his loss of powers, I almost want him dead to verify the two "town" results. It would make me feel tons better.
Nominally, I would like Shadow to hammer RBT so that if actual PGO (likely, since RBT sure as hell hasn't provided tracking results) the work can be done for us.
But, in all honestly, I would want more time to ISO and re-read his interactions. This won't happen until Monday.

Granted. I don't think it's time for another quickhammer either. Your hammer plan doesn't work, read the skill description: If Rice put a firebomb at her feet it would only be triggered by night kills.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, come on mist. Quicklynching Rice without a night action claim is just bad. If she declines again or claims "derp I did nothing again" then down with the hammer. But I prefer to play it safe from an information point of view.

[Shadow Dancer]

Because scum quickhammering would be all the info I ever wanted. Unless there is another amok player who doesn't know the basics. That person should have been adressed in my last post.

[Shadow Dancer]

You could make the same case, that you brought forth against kiwi, against Per, flinter. Do you think those two were Pinky's partners?

[Shadow Dancer]

What exact evidence on Per's skillbuild do we have?

[Shadow Dancer]

Yes, Over claimed that.

[Shadow Dancer]

Well... We have

one

"free" lynch left.... Doesn't mean we should use it just to confirm any one's claim...

Not that I had better idead right now... I think I have proven more than enough (and tried to reconsider things often enough - in vain) that my scumhunting is really off in this game. Frankly I was considering just sheeping mist for today... But that's out of question now... Leaves me with sheeping Fate. I don't really like that idea either.

Seriously I am absolutely at a loss right now. Hasn't happened to me in a while (at least concerning mafia games), but I feel like really out of promissing options right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Let's see. it's 2:5 now.
Let's assume flinter's a town vengeful - if she shoos correctly it'll be 1:4 at nightstart and it'll be 1:3 MyLo tomorrow which means one lynch left... No gain for town compared to any other lynch. In case of a town flinter shoots town event it's most likely a scum won.
So: No! We don't lynch Flinter just becuase she is vengeful.

[Shadow Dancer]

He never seems to call flint town, but when people vote her he always comes and defends her.

Referring to me?! Pretty sure I said I had a town read on Flinter at mutliple occasions. Not that it matters anyways, I don't give a shit about my town reads any more...
And I also don't say that we shouldn't lynch Flinter, I am just saying we shouldn't do it for the wrong reasons.
So now is your chance to bring forth your case again and convince me that she really is scum. After a week of willfully refraining from dealing with this game I hope that I have gained enough of mental distance to be open for almost any point of view again.

[Shadow Dancer]

No, that's not what I was saying, try again.

[Shadow Dancer]

Not sure I understand you there, Hindu. Why do you think scum is forced to bus right now?

And flinter, what do you mean when you say you

"know"

that kiwi is scum?!

[Shadow Dancer]

kiwi: Your actual Flinter case?! I am still eagerly waiting.

[Shadow Dancer]

Because right now I can see significantly more of where she is coming from than you. And I don't want to hear any more "Flinter doesn't want do be lynched today, she must be scum" bullshit.

[Shadow Dancer]

So... I can add "voted for her RB target after no kill occured" (i.e. she turned out wrong on that one - as any one else on that waggon did, too) and "OMGUS" to the list. Great.

[Shadow Dancer]

Ah, so we're looking for people who were

wrong

now, not scum. Well... I guess that makes things a whole lotta easier at least....

[Shadow Dancer]

And that post is supposed to convince me that you were really just dumb when you gave Fate that poszt restriction?!
Because, you know, that second quote is clearly D1, clearly contradicting your "point" that I never even mentioned PP. That makes your "parks vote on Fate counterwaggon" void because I voted Fate in RVS when he wasn't counterwaggon to any one and wasn't doing anything until my next posts where I clearly called PP scum and unvoted Fate immediatelly.
And I am pretty sure I made clear that I would only vig people that I'd agree on, but wanted some thoughts from others first.

But your last point is defnitely the worst: You say Flinter is town. So you vote for me for not supporting her lynch or seeing the case against her? Sorry, now

you

have to really convince

me

that

you

are not opportunistic scum.

vote kiwi

[Shadow Dancer]

@Fate: If I had not investigated you as innocent I'd think you're scum now. Really, can you get any

worse

?

That being said he is so clearly scummy in this game - even more than he normally is - all his latest post read like scum desperately craving for consistency - that I am very tempted to hammer him which I will just do if he doesn't fullclaim within the next 24h or so...

This is me calling Gand scum and clearly expressing my intent to hammer him. And I did not move my vote top Per obviously. I didn't vote Per until D2. And "your vote sitting on me for the longest time" is a really bad malinterpretation of the objective fact that my vote was on you for only four real days with no activity whatsoever on my part where I could have possibly have switched my vote. That the game grew by 18 pages in that interval does not in the least suggest that it was "a long time" or me "parking my vote".


@Over: Call OMGUS on me all you want, but don't you find kiwi's sudden 180 on Flinter in the least odd?

[Shadow Dancer]

Just shut up, Fate. I don't have a nerv for people who only have to provide bad retoric like that in a game in critical state.

[Shadow Dancer]

Have you even considered the possibility that kiwi might have given you that post restriction in full awareness of the fact that you would fail to avoid "fuck" in all your posts (that he gave you the PR in the first place clearly proves that he knows your posting habbits very well)? And is there any other reason other than "kiwi did something trmendously senseless, he needs to be town" to still insist on him being town?

Flinter likely isn't scum because most of her posts make a lot of sense and no one has even given a good explanation for their scumreads on her yet.

Possible partners could be Over or Per... I will check for specific interactions once I have a confirmed flip. I am leaning a bit more towards Per possibly being town as of late because I realized that he did similar things as town as he did in this game. Both of them definitely need to provide more opinion now.

[Shadow Dancer]

I want Over so dead now... Reading through his Iso is way too depressing.... Wait... Did I really just say that?

Over, what do you think about kiwi demanding flinters lynch first and then suddenly calling her town and voting for me

for defending town

?! Doesn't this remind you a lot of Anti's scum slip in "Back to the Future"? The irony is that it was Anti attacking kiwi there...

[Shadow Dancer]

You weren't in BttF?! Was Lemming Mafia our only game together? And wtf? Failed buddy attempt? How is it a buddying attempt. Read that game, have a look at antifinities behaviour on the Maru waggon on D1 and tell me what kiwi just did does not remarkably look the same.

But look how kiwi cannot even stay consistent with his "reads"...
Post #1837:

[...]One of the reasons Flinter is null/leaning town is due to Shadows always seeming to passively defend her...[...]

Yes he did call flinter town.
Guess where his vote was before? -

flinter your case was a mess, I refuted it.

VOTE: Flinter

Seriously, it's day 4 - and all kiwi has to contribute to the discussion is this kind of stuff?

[Shadow Dancer]

Sorry, I wasn't motuvated to play mafia this weekend... Just do me a favour: Don't quicklynch Flinter out of pure imaptience, I'll try to get some quality input in by tomorrow.

@Over: What do you mean when you say you're going crazy? And: If you suggest to lynch Flinter and use her vengeshot if she is town - are you aware that she is also a bulletproof?

[Shadow Dancer]

Uh... This game...

unvote. vote Per

His latest posts brought him all the way up on my favourite lynch list again...

[Shadow Dancer]

That post actually implies a couple of things, but I will let Kiwi explain himself. I have two scenarios in mind that make Kiwi's play town in that respect.And now you just trying to play off that horrible post. Why should I care what another person's scum meta is, if they aren't in this game?

This was never about any one else's scum meta. It was simply the point that hopping off a waggon, suddenly calling the person one voted for town and attacking the strongest defender of that person (and even with wrong accusations of "chainsaw defense" when it clearly was an open defense in the first place) is a super scummy act in and on itself, no matter

who

does it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Actually

unvote. vote kiwi

On looking closer Per rather looks like the next townie losing his nerves Please, Per, get reasonable and stop voting Fate, it's really the most wasteful thing to do right now.

My guess is Kiwi-Over scum team. Let me check their isos again...

[Shadow Dancer]

@_@ Isn't any one paying attention to the votecount before placing their votes any more?
Well... Sorry Per... Anything left to claim for you?

Fate, please just stop being a total dork.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hmmm... Hindu, can you prove that you have a double vote? If you have one that confirms you as town, I guess, because with a scum double voter alive game would be opver now... Or yo are a scum double voter alive and our mod is a bastard that wants us to play it out nontheless... In which case it doesn't matter anyway...

That leaves only kiwi/staeg as a scum team... A bit odd... But I guess we can agree on a kiwi lynch.

vote kiwi

Fate, please stop being pig-headed about kiwi-town. He has done nothing to still justify a town read.
And he probably still had his redirect, so that he was blocked and the kill went through means jack-shit because redirect takes priority over roleblock.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hindu failhammered per, not me. And you cannot redirect every one to fate, Just A->B->C->A if I remember right.

Also kiwi was defending Pinkie pretty for a pretty long time until finally:

Also I honestly dont know why katsuki would flake unless she knows shes gonna get lynched (as scum?) and doesnt want Fate to laugh at her after getting caught so quickly(?)

vote: PP

PEDIT: Cause it was pretty obvious. Why would I want to have silvertongue?

Pinky lynch was already pretty inevitable at that time - and still the only reason for the vote change he could come up with was flaking. Weird justification.
Not taking silvertongue also looks like an obvious scum move, make sure he never ends up in the precarious situation where town wants him to confirm himself with it (and there is actually a way to not only confirm some one's alignment with silvertongue but also his level of silvertongue - just ask him to have "I am town if and only if ths is silvertongue level 1" mod-confirmed).
Giving Fate a PR that is likely to cost Fate his vote, then forfeiting responsibility for his own vote by "lending" it to Fate and his continuous buddying up to Fate are also very convenient things to do for scum.

Nothing in the vote count indicates that Hindu got a double vote. Threshold is also unchanged. Hindu, please confirm your double vote and then unvote to prevent scum from quickhammering. I'll do the same.

unvote

[Shadow Dancer]

I really doubt a scumcop would claim a innocent on his scumbuddy..


also:

vote Fate

Obvious choice is obvious.

Seriously? You don't think a scum cop would ever try to claim a partner? And a first post random vote? Great reasons for you to exclude a scum combo

in LyLo

in deed.
Looks more like kiwi is affraid to lose his "buddy" by calling him scum...

[Shadow Dancer]

I really doubt I can modconfirm "I am town and only if this is silvertongue level 1"

Mod: Is the above possible? ^^

Of yourse you cannot. Because you did not skill silvertongue? Or did you lie to us all the time? In that case I'd advise you to better have that exact statement mod-confirmed immediately.
But theoretically it's but a simple sentence, why should it not be allowed?

[Shadow Dancer]

Im pretty sure you failhammered

Then read the vote count.
Why would you lynch innocent results of a scum cop when you cannot even know if they are fake?

[Shadow Dancer]

With that sentence you could confirm exactly that.

Fate, if you don't start realizing soon how badly kiwi has mucked you about all the time we're gonna lose this and it'll be

you

who people will hold it over.

[Shadow Dancer]

If one is town my sentence is the truth and if one has silvertongue level 1 one can use silver tongue level 1 to confirm it as truth. If one is town and has silvertongue level 2 the sentence is a lie and one can use silvertongue level 2 to confirm it as a lie. In any case one is confirmed town afterwards.

One

, i.e. not kiwi obviously... Pity? No, convenience.

And kiwi's appeal to emotion is noticed. Doesn't make any valid argument why I would be scum though. As don't his other points as I already pointed out. I have been wrong a lot this game, I cannot deny that. Happens a lot. Being wrong != being scum. But obviously it's always a good point for scum to press for mislynches. But about kiwi I am definitely finally right. He is as good as confirmed scum, you just need to realize it.

[Shadow Dancer]

You have no fucking clue about logic... OR you are faking to have no fucking clue to construct another fake argument for your bullshit case.
And, you know what, hammering for scum requires them to pile a second vote on me first without any one interacting.
Oh, look who just did that. Another amazing conincidence? Hardly. Or else you would have realized that by the same logic you could be called scum yourself.

Hindu

, if you are online: YOU NEED TO UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY!

[Shadow Dancer]

Also my case is obviously not only that kiwi did not skill silvertongue, that's just the icing. The points from D4 still hold truth today. Most notably how kiwi slipped off the flinter waggon for really wrong-headed reasons and suddenly called her town.

And just look at his fabricated arguments - a random vote on Fate? Fine Reason to call me scum...
I was not on the Pinky waggon? I was, I only did not vote because I did not want to hammer without a claim.
I was chainsaw defending flinter? No, I hust thought she was town. I was likely wron about that, too, but I was always transparent about my hesitence to vote for her.
And yes, I just realized that level 2 silver tongue could also confirm a true statement... But that's not the point. Skilling 1-1-1 or 1-0-2 would still have been very confirmable and would have allowed kiwiw to confirm himslef - unless he wanted to avoid that because he could not do just that in the first place because he is scum.

[Shadow Dancer]

Congratulations, Fate, you just prove that you suck big time again. Good night.

[Shadow Dancer]

Fate said "Fuck" again... I would have never guessed that I would ever be relieved to hear that... Fate still sucks, but maybe we can still force a lynch with Hindu's doubble vote...

Hindu, come in here and vote Kiwi before staeg-scum gets a chance to hammer me. The clock i sticking, hurry please.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hey, staeg, but you realize that you not being scum basically confirms kiwi as scum either way, whether he is my partner or not? Unless you think it's me and Fate and the innocent was fake. It cannot be Hindu-Fate because then I would have gotten a guilty.

Kiwi's actions have not been incredibly dumb-town so far but, as I pointed out, also significantly anti-town. Not to mention that kiwi wasn't dumb-town in my other two recent games with him.

EDIT: If Hindu really has a double vote then he's either town or scum has won it anyway (unless it would change the lynch threshold, but then town can only achiev no lynch and scum can win via kill...Unless you think it's me and Hindu and kiwi could redirect the kill to us), so no need to put much consideration into that.
And yes, I am advocating a kiwi lynch for two game days now. Do you really think that would be just bussing?
And Fate gets a pass for being Fate? You do realize that Fate is not only Fate this game but also really really useless for a long time now?

[Shadow Dancer]

I have seen scum not quickhammering in LyLo a lot, I've even done it myself.
And yes, kiwi scum means fate scum is still possible because he could have used his redirect on me. But before I figure out who the last scum is I'd rather have kiwi confirmed first.

Hindu, I don't get your point about using your double vote? You have to ask the mod whether your dozble vote would raise the lynch threshold. Our only chance is if either it doesn't or Fate is scum because then town can still force a lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

Fate, you have produced but herpderp and no decent reads at all for days, so just shut up. You made yourself a non-issue in LyLo again, and still you call kiwi town because he gave you a post estriction that screwed you over three times in row now, so just stay a non-issue and stop annoying every one.
If this is really kiwi-fate scum team flooding the thread with pure bullshit I'll be so pissed about hindu/staeg who don't get it...

[Shadow Dancer]

To "confirm" themselves, proof how cool they are or just play it safe against night actions that could still screw them over. I don't know who it is, but unless Fate is scum and already failed in doing so (and the longer I am at L-1 without a proper hammer the more likely that becomes) there is scum out there who does not hammer.

And if you think Fate is town - then think, which lynch would scum want to get through in case of a townie who lost his vote, the one on their partner or the mislynch counter waggon?
Damn if Fate is town and hindu cannot use his double vote to avoid a no-lynch/mislynch we're screwed anyway.

[Shadow Dancer]

I don't eve care right now. Probably the last scum is Fate. But

kiwi

and no one else is the one who needs to be lynched right now. And yes, I am scum and you are my partner, kiwi is the mislynch we decided to set up together, have you forgotten? Lol.
Seriously, if you think this game looks like bollocks then you should realize right now who they are who spilled utter bullshit over this game from the very beginning.

[Shadow Dancer]

Broad hind: That was obviously a joke because Staeg asked me to claim scum... Don't be so slow, Fate, you're better as town.

[Shadow Dancer]

Over, see that was exactly the problem... You did not want to go against Fate and were suggesting a town lynch just for the bengeful, inavitably seeting yourself up against flinter and me, all in all just gaining the worst out of every one. I was even beginning to consider you as kiwi's partner for doing some strange defence in a situation where he was up for a lynch. If you are town you have to speak your mind and vote for whom you consider scum. kiwi-hindu-fate (with two scum in them!) are not nearly enough of a voting block to get you OMGUS lynched. People are afraid of Fate getting them lynched because there are people who are willing to follow him because of that very fear - kind of ironic. Just read the scum-QT. Scum did only buddy up to Fate because they were affraid of his OMGUS ranting if they didn't. Best move is to ingnore Fate whenever you can ;P

Or use it to your advantage, i.e. buddy up to Fate yourself if you want his vote for something... He likes to be "admired".

And kiwi was so obvscum from d4 on it wasn't even funny. Damn, he was obvscum all the way from D1 on, but he could conceal it in pure bullshit about his role at first.

Fate, how often are you going to lose games for town until you finally realize that people kissing your arse are not neccesarily your friends?!

[Shadow Dancer]

No way did I push you because of OMGUS. You can stop bullshiting now, game is over.
And you weren't voted for most of the game not because you weren't obvscum but because you were too scummy to be scum obvscum...

[Shadow Dancer]

waddafak?
I think silence should be reworked as skill anyways, post restrictions in any shape or form aren't exactly fun, unless it's marathon day and thus quickly over of course

And Shadewalker class needs some major overhaul. It sucks for town and likewise for scum because everything it does is blatantly obvious (what good is sneaky stuff happening when every one knows tha sneaky stuff is happening and a massclaim tells you who caused it).

[Shadow Dancer]

A level up system would certainly an interesting game mechanic, but would also require some major changes to skill mechanics. If a level up allows you to make a 1-shot a 2-shot that's not really how it should work I think. Probably you could also add magic/mana stuff to the game which regenerates over time and leveling up a skill reduces the cost.

[Shadow Dancer]

/pre-in here, too.