Mini 422 - Paranoia Mafia - Game Over

[Peter Venkman]

I am happy.

Happy players should have welcomed me.

Therefor: you are all unhappy and threats to the computer.

I love the computer!!

-Peter

P.S. I read the required reading and my only question is: where's all the cool weapony gear?! I was under the impression that me and my six clones were going to raise a ruckus and get into some mid-day brawls.

Computer: Your loyal Communications Officer humbly requests a 1920's Style Death Ray or Elevated Security Access. I finna bust open some airlocks and remove a few cloniez.

[Peter Venkman]

Troubleshooters!

As your Communication Officer (CO) I am disappointed in your lack of communication. I have put in an official request for Death Rays, and should the benevolent computer bless me with such devices, I

will

use them.

Battle Mage, I know you are new here, but it isn't in the interest of Computer to randomly vote for strangers. Everyone is pure, certainly not-mutated, and loves the computer. Why do you hate CES? Hate isn't happy, and If I know anything, I know that troubled troubleshooters are tinkering to turn the tides towards total turmoil. Computer told me so. I am the Communications Officer (CO). Soon I will have Death Rays.

-Peter-I-Venks-1

[Peter Venkman]

Sarcasto has demonstrated himself to be a friend to the computer with good insight as to who hates the computer.

Battlemage, you appear to be challenging him?

I am not defending CES. I observed your unhappy tone. I observed your initial random vote. I communicated. I am the Communications Officer (CO). I still don't have Death Rays.

I love the computer.

I would love Death Rays. Or elevated security access. It is too stuffy in here. I finna bust open airlocks.

In a dream last night the computer had an obsidian screen. Twice green text flashed, revealing two names. Once: The Central Scrutinizer. Twice: Stark. After: obsidian turned to crimson, and the computer was no more.

It is my calling to communicate my dreams. I am the Communications Officer (CO).

I am

Voting The Central Scrutinizer

.

-Peter-I-Venks-1

[Peter Venkman]

As the Communications Officer I have recorded The Central Scrutinizer.

I am in a secret society, but I am working for the good of the city.

Ok, who is willing to reveal whether or not they are in a secret society? No other role names, abilities, clearance colors, etc. Only a simple yes or no as to whether or not they're in a ss.

My role PM explicitly says I'm on the side of friend computer. I've got this wacky role that redirects people's nightchoices. I have no buddies though.

We're not even sure who the scum are in this game.

This sounds like someone who did not receive the Townie PM.

-----

In addition I have been recording Stark.

It is most obvious that the pro-computer agents are mafia. But other than that, do we have any information other than the very blatant gang of bandwagoners to go with?

If you're in a place with evil, wackjob computer, which is going to be the bad people? The ones who support the evil wackjob computer, or the ones who do not?

Have we, however, come to an agreement as to which party is scum and which is not?

This is also someone who clearly did not receive the Townie PM.

-Peter-I-Venks-1

[Peter Venkman]

...and I really wish I had Death Rays.

Thanks for adding some snide unhappy remarks. The computer has been notified.

-Peter-I-Venks-1

[Peter Venkman]

Well... even if you had missed the second post...

IF YOU WERE TOWN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE

.

You expect us to believe your win condition is the one you had no knowledge of prior to me pointing it out to you?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

There's one way to know for sure. Lynch me.

My role PM explicitly says I'm on the side of friend computer. I've got this wacky role that redirects people's nightchoices. I have no buddies though.

But the point is that my role PM explicity says I'm a good guy. If my reveal comes up that I'm an enemy of friend computer, then you know we've got a Space Monkey Mafia-type situation.

Um... go back and read the second post of this thread. The townie PM has no mention of "good guys" or "bad guys."

Earlier your tone implied that you were okay with a lynch if it cleared up some confusion. Why the attitude now? Upset someone is calling your bluff?

Also, your role doesn't make sense from a town perspective. The ONLY way it would benefit town would be if you picked the target of the night kill. Are we to believe that the entire scum team would than be night killed? What benefit does your role give the town?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

If you think I'm scum, you're either an idiot..

Thanks, you make playing this game fun!

I'm sorry I replaced into this game and will be putting in as much effort as the rest of the players here. Expect a word or two every two weeks.

I am sick and tired of this community.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I'm still suspicious of Stark and TCS. I think TCS is more dangerous to the town, so I put my vote on him. However, if other players feel Stark is a better choice I'll get down with that too.

That is the result of my analysis for everything up t this point. Other than some name calling, not much is going on in here, so I'm afraid I can't add to the discussion.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

<sigh>

Unvote, Vote Stark

-Peter

P.S. Thesp, this was an awesome setup.

[Peter Venkman]

Huh? Why do you want justification from me for my vote?

Did anyone

read

Stark's post?

Since I joined this game I've stated my suspicion of both players. I'm surprised no-one else thinks Stark is a good pick.

-Peter

P.S. I'll be leaving on vacation July 15 - 21.

[Peter Venkman]

Claiming ridiculous roles in a relatively inactive game is a null-tell to me. In fact, I'd be more willing to say he's town.

Are you joking?

The role he claimed is clearly anti-town.

Why would a town player make up something like that?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Wow, so as Town it is a good idea to false claim as scum?

I am new here and must have a terrible grasp on this game. Please, enlighten me.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I never received a personalized role PM. I received a cut and paste of my predecessor.

I had to figure out the naming convention and apply it. It is just as "made up" as my predecessor's name, and follows the rules laid out in all the supplemental reading.

I still am highly suspicious of Stark, TCS, and now PWS.

Why didn't the death notice say if Sarcasto was "an enemy of the computer" or not? I assume he was, in the same way that Sefer was?

In addition, I thought I was the happiness officer...

My apologies to everyone playing this game. I do not have the grasp on the rules that I thought I did.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Peter...

What I was

really

asking about was whether or not your "one blink good, two blinks bad" information was flavor, or an actual "result" of some kind.

Ugh, dude, why would you even

ask

that?

When I avoided responding directly, why did you bold it? You think I missed it??

What kind of response would satisfy you?

In short, why on earth do you continue to press me about it?!

- Peter... no fancy ass names anymore.

[Peter Venkman]

Mr. Flay, by your logic, you should be more than willing to share your own clearance.

Do it now, or your "lack of co-operation" will be noted.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Yeah, way to pick up on my sarcasm TCS. I was echoing Mr. Flay.

Should I have put a billion roll eyes after my "noted" so it wouldn't confuse you?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Ugh, isn't posting your role PM explicitly against the rules?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Oh... that is just cut and paste from page one...

what the heck was the point of that?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I agree wholeheartedly.

Vote Playswithsquirrels

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Um... Stark... what leads you to believe that you have any chance of surviving until tomorrow?

Your plan could just as easily work if we simply don't lynch

you

.

I don't have any defense for yesterday's lynch proceedings. I agreed with the other voters. I didn't like how PWS was attacking me for "not recognizing the townie PM" despite the fact that I had clearly pointed other posters to it earlier in the game. I jfelt he was grasping at straws and attempting to direct attention at

anyone

else.

I'm suspicious of Killajay myself.

vote Killjay

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Hmn... weird...

Stark, you aren't making any sense.

unvote

Your role could just as easily be scum. Learning the whole setup allows you to target power town roles.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I'm town.

I had previously made evident my feelings on PWS.

I think it is particularly interesting that TCS immediately called for our heads

before

the death scene. Realizing his mistake, he FoS'ed himself.

Just a few posts he had made such a point out of "confirm" voting PWS. Why the 180?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Killajay, do you have any arguments against me that you aren't guilty of yourself?

In fact, if you feel I am such a good candidate why aren't you voting on me? I already claimed. You won't even be accused of quick lynching.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

That answered the second of my questions...

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Killajay, How will you prove it?

Also...

Venkman seems to be a good candidate

...since you twice ignored me, do you have any arguments against me that you aren't guilty of yourself? The more you ignore me the more I think the answer is "no." If you really were town you would realize the nature of your mistake and apply it to someone who did the same. That you are content to see my lynch solidifies my opinion that you are scum. The same partially goes for the players who are voting me and not Killajay.

I sincerely believed PWS was scum. I don't want to fail the town again by getting myself lynched.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Venkman it's not what you say its the vibe i am getting from you.

Flay why are you wasting your vote when I am town?

Vote: Peter Venkman

I think you need to do better than that. You came into this game and placed a vote with no reason. Now you're willing to do it again?

@Chaotic> If we BOTH are scum, and we both know the other is on the chopping block too, why even bother with the pretense? It takes four to lynch, surely if we both were scum we would force a majority of the remaining players to achieve the lynch.

In addition, how do you feel about Mr. Flay and TCS voting on Killajay instead of myself?

@Stark> Please hold off hammering until until Killajay has given a reason for both his votes.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Er, looks like Stark was actually the first vote on Killajay... My bad...

Since there has been no official vote count in a while, I guess I'll do the honors:

Killajay (4) - Stark, Peter Venkman, Mr. Flay, The Central Scrutinizer
Peter Venkman (3) - The Fonz, chaotic_diablo, Killajay

[Peter Venkman]

Whereas I had stated reasons for actually lynching PWS. I felt strongly enough to do so. In retrospect it was a bad move.

Killajay had no reason and refused to give one. He also refused to give a reason for his vote on me. His attack on Stark flip-flopped because he was trying to appease other players.

Interesting how you attack me (twice!) for hammering without waiting for a claim, yet TCS just did so. Fonz, if Killajay turns up scum or town, what does that say about TCS?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I should pay more attention huh?

Killajay, this is your chance.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Killajay, do you realize that for the past 24 I could have cast a vote to lynch you?

If I am scum, and you are Town, what has kept me from hammering? We both are on the chopping block today, and regardless of today's lynch and role reveal, the alive one will still be suspected tomorrow.

If I were scum, being that I am under severe suspicion it would benefit me to quicklynch you. It would be another dead player before my own lynch, which still could happen at any second.

Now, I definitely think you are

not

town. A role claim is necessary.

Me: Vanilla Town. I understand this is not helpful, however, it is the truth.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Yeah Stark, we all know that you have some special role.

All I received in my PM has been posted in the second post of this game. PWS posted it too.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Venkman is lying.

...and why didn't you come forth with this "information" earlier? I have made no secret that I am town. You could have just as easily said this when you placed your vote on me.

The only thing different at the time of your post is Killajay's fate resting with my looming vote.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Killajay... why aren't you responding to any of my direct questions?

If I am scum, and you are Town,

what has kept me from hammering?

We both are on the chopping block today, and regardless of today's lynch and role reveal, the alive one will still be suspected tomorrow.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Hammering is the final vote for someone's lynch. Earlier, I was in a position to do so to you. I did not.

The Fonz said little about my behavior earlier and voted on me. Now, when I was in the position to be the final lynch vote on you, he has decided to call me a liar. Who in this game has information about other players?

The Fonz, unless you justify yourself I will be forced to vote on you. For now, I am assuming you are trying to figure out clearance levels and still making guesses. I have not lied, and you still have given no reason why you think so.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Huh? Why are you his spokesman now?

Calling someone a liar is certainly a greater claim than his vote. He was, and still is, voting on me. Why he chose to go one step further is worth analysis.

The fact that he chose that particular moment to attack me is suspicious. The fact that he has not substantiated his claim is suspicious.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

That is an astute point. I agree with you and it explains a hell of a lot about my confusion.

For full discloser, all I really did receive was the very first part of the "townie" role PM. I didn't even get a win condition. I asked Thesp if part of my role information had not been sent to me, and the answer I received was yes, but no further information was given. I thought it was flavor of the game.

So Mas and I very well could have received different role PMs. I have no idea, and it makes my own defense meaningless. I'll learn my role with the rest of you when this game is over. What complete and utter garbage.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

So now my innocence is determined by the claim of another?

Fonz, if you can't substantiate your liar claim without a "full" role reveal why did you make the claim in the first place? You now have the attention of the town, the scum, and the possible mutant faction. Assuming you are town, your allusion to a power role makes you a likely night kill target.

I would have bought something like "I investigated Killajay, found him innocent, and upon his impending lynch I wanted to be certain the confirmed innocent player was kept alive." However, your question to Killajay asking for his role leads me to believe you are just making stuff up based awkward theories.

I cannot see any town motivation for your "liar" claim. I suspect you have a mutant power that allows you to learn something about security clearance levels and are hypothesizing outside your data.

I also think it is mean spirited to insist others "full claim" when you won't do so yourself. Especially after you have made it very clear that you have a power role. Why have you outed yourself, and if you are town why do you think it was the proper move to reveal yourself now? You clearly know little about Killajay, so protecting him wasn't your motivation....

Vote The Fonz

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

It is my belief, having seen TCS' predecessor's claim, that all town roles are, in fact, both mutants and in secret societies, and there are no vanilla townies per se, just players with weak or useless mutations-

Well, like I said earlier, I did not receive my role PM in it's entirety.

The only piece of information given to me was a cut and paste of the vanilla townie role with my predecessor's name

. No win condition or

anything

followed. It is entirely possible that I have a role I am unaware of and my predecessor was.

I've been working on the assumption that if I did indeed have more to my role PM than I received, Thesp would have been honest and filled in my lost knowledge. I hadn't considered that this is a bastard mod game, and now I'm completely at a loss. I was putting forth the effort in good faith, assuming the same had been done to me initially.

Fonz> Based on my first assumption I would fight your argument. However, I've lost faith. If I can't be certain of which team I'm on my vote becomes random and arbitrary.

Unvote

I don't know how I can further contribute to this game. I'll stop by and respond if you have specific questions.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...four days and no posts.

If Killajay were scum, doesn't it follow that the other scum players would be active? I mean, letting a scum partner get lynched with anything less than an overwhelming majority is a terrible play.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Peter, can you give us the name of the person you replaced?

I'm not sure what you're asking for. If you are too lazy to look at the title page I'm not sure why I should do the work for you. Earlier I was signing my name based on my understanding of the naming conventions. Other than quoting my role PM directly I don't know how I can give you the information you are asking for. I've already provided it in various forms.

I'm not sure how to proceed without the information from that lynch. The only other remote possibility besides yourself is The Fonz, and even you unvoted him...

Yep. I think The Fonz is incredibly suspicious. My unvote was in response to my realization that I'm being bastard modded.

However, I'll give it another shot.

Right now, Killajay has the most votes and we are deadlined.

From this we can determine the following:
1) If the players voting on me think I am scum, they wouldn't be happy that Killajay is about to be lynched.
2) If Killajay is town, than from scum perspective it doesn't matter who scum are voting on.
3) If Killajay is scum, than the scum players would be more vocal after the deadline was announced.

Vote The Fonz

FoS Chaotic Diablo

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

My sig from earlier used the exact same convention that one would use to get Maz's code-name. I feel there is a fine line here between what constitutes a quote from the role PM. Being that the ONLY place I could get Maz's information would be my Role PM, I feel it would be against the rules to tell you directly. Still, you shouldn't have much trouble replacing Maz's name into my own.

What do you think about the rest of my post? There is a deadline, and Killajay will be lynched. I assume from your vote you think I am the scummyest player. Why than would you sit back on the sideline with a parked vote and let another player get lynched? Why aren't you talking to the town and presenting your argument? Do you think it is okay to let a lynch happen with less than a majority?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Your excuse for not receiving a win condition is because your role has some "special power". Now, let me summarize it: you're a power role that has no alignment. That's what you're telling us, and I don't buy it.

Quote me making those claims. You are not being truthful.

To my knowledge I am vanilla town. I did not receive anything

after

the vanilla town PM, including a win condition. I know my role PM was missing information, as to how much I do not know. I have said so repeatedly.

I'm frustrated with this game, and I'm sure that is apparent. However, please do not put words in my mouth. You are mistaken, and an admittance would be appreciated.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I've been telling the truth. I'm honestly really pissed that my role PM was screwed up in such a huge way. Sending a role PM is a pretty simple thing to do, and the uncertainty that has been cast on my part makes my involvement a complete waste of time. I have been maintaining my presence here simply out of respect for the rest of you who

have

been playing.

I'm not posturing or attempting to deceive you. I'm posting to a community that I was hoping to become a part of. I feel that I have been wronged, but instead of giving up I thought I'd suck it up and keep playing, it is just a game after all, and everyone here has put a lot of time and effort into it.

That respect has not been returned to me. I won't be posting to this thread anymore.

@Thesp, when you send out my replacement's role, try to get it right. I joined into this game as a favor to you, and you spat in my face.

-Peter