Mini 452 NBA All-Stars Mafia-Game Over!

[inHimshallibe]

Sweetness, /in. Reread coming, but sleep first. Work tomorrow's gonna be a real bear. : /

[inHimshallibe]

Nekka-Lucifer (5): (MidnightSun, Fletcher, IH, A Papaya, Haut Boy)
^^ Making note of this for later reference.

Alright, it's apparent that Nekka-Lucifer is either very raw or very scummy, and it's possible that he's both. I really don't like his attempt to do some sort of word association thing on page 3; that strikes me as either an attempt to divert attention from himself or to encourage a quick day.

That being said, I'm not going to vote for him yet. I've learned my lesson about accidentally putting people at -1 from other games.

As for the other contributers so far: I get a vibe that xdaamno may be trying to hide in plain sight, but that's only a gut feeling and I'm not even going to make a formal FOS. I'll need to see more (preferably not about N-L) before making any further conclusions.

Really, besides the votes, this is the first truly scummy feel I've gotten from a post.

vote: HC

for now.

[inHimshallibe]

Questions: Does anyone know exactly why Nekka-Lucifer was kicked out? Can we get a quote? Is that against the rules?

Nekka-Lucifer was modkilled for out of thread communication (sending a PM about the game to A Papaya as mentioned earlier in the thread).

Midnight Sun (and StallingChamp) are currently banned from the site for the events of Newbie 377, and hence needed to be replaced.

I thought MidnightSun was someone else's sockpuppet. What did SC have to do with it?

Anyway, on topic, I think I'm going to

unvote, vote: xdaamno

. He deserves some pressure atm.

I agree.

unvote; vote: xdaamno

[inHimshallibe]

Welcome, inHimshallibe. And damn you for not having a convenient way to shorten your name.

Hi.

People find "inHim" works quite well.

[inHimshallibe]

Initial suspects include xdaanmo, xyzzy, and... interestingly enough... mlaker.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't care for this unvoting without any followup votes.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't really see much to comment on, to me nothing is really going down. I think Voting for me because I have computer problems is a little suspicious. Xdaamno is my top bet for scum.

Uhm... I realised I was voting for someone else, then looked at the possible candidates and chose one I'd like to hear the most from (Thus, a pressure vote). I try to keep my vote productive.

Pressure voting is almost completed unrelated to scum hunting.

This is a clever guise to conceal your true voting records. Mhm.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't really see much to comment on, to me nothing is really going down. I think Voting for me because I have computer problems is a little suspicious. Xdaamno is my top bet for scum.

Uhm... I realised I was voting for someone else, then looked at the possible candidates and chose one I'd like to hear the most from (Thus, a pressure vote). I try to keep my vote productive.

Pressure voting is almost completed unrelated to scum hunting.

This is a clever guise to conceal your true voting records. Mhm.

Drats; I've been completely figured out.

Yup, let's string him up!

PARTICIPATION, anyone?

[inHimshallibe]

I'm 90% sure that NL was town

I thought you were saying he was scum before? I'm sure you said he was scum after he got modkilled at some point, so the circumstances are the same.

I'll have to re-read for that one.

I didn't catch that on a quick review. He did say at one point that N-L as a townie could be just as bad as scum, so let's lynch him anyways, or something like that.

Bah, you're posting.

unvote; vote: mlaker

[inHimshallibe]

unvote
vote: schismatized

First, I think mlaker is pretty scummy. it seems like he acknowledges that hes been lurking and hasnt really tried to help out the town at all. he could be scum, or is just lazy. I need more posts from him to vote for him but he could quite possibly recieve my vote if he stays inactive.

For that.

I think he changes positions fourteen times. [/hyperbole] But really, that reeks of fence-sitting scumminess.

[inHimshallibe]

No, that's how schis always plays.

Unvote

This is noted as a defense. For now, though, I'll take your word.

unvote
vote: McStab

'cause I don't want to see some possible useful information

not

be gained every Day we can.

[inHimshallibe]

Meh, I just want someone to hang.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote
vote: Xdaamno

I'll post something on this later. Kind of tied up at work.

[inHimshallibe]

So, I went back to voting Xdaamno because mlaker made some kind of weird grunt (a post) and I have other support for this wagon in IH and possibly mlaker. Yeah, I want to see someone hang regardless, but if I can I'll take my pick.

In the early stages of finger pointing, Xdaamno just seemed to be an entity posting from outside all the action. Also he has given the escape route of "pressure vote" with most of the votes he has made.

[inHimshallibe]

I do agree that schismatized is pretty scummy but I also thought Xdaamno was. I'm down for him today, but I could be persuaded to vote schis.

as long as someone gets lynched right? very scummy.

SPIN

unvote
vote: schismatized

For your earlier play, as well.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum. A short defense: schismatized was lynched before I normally come back to post, which I then would have explained what I had meant the night before. I left my post open like I did because I wanted to get some reactions... so much for that. I'm not all that unhappy that schismatized was lynched, because (a) I thought he was scum, and (b) I'm pretty sure we can get scum Today or Tomorrow because of it.

I'll assume I'm not scum, I hope that's fair, and continue on. mlaker lurks like nobody's business and then sheeps along to get the wagon going full steam ahead. xyzzy sheepvotes, notes the wagon is at -1 and does nothing. YB hammers without much comment. Now, I like to see quick Days... but not even commenting about anything concerning the lynch votes they were making, I see xyzzy and YB as the most likely scum. (mlaker did mention xdaamno's claim, to his credit.)

vote: YB

- not as much for the hammer, but for the massclaim suggestion.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim, mlaker, xyzzy, YB

^^ one of these guys is scum.

You think yourself is scum?

Fos:Ihim

No, he means he thinks one of those guys is scum, or otherwise he's lying, and thus he's scum. He's presenting it from our point of view (Correct me if I'm wrong inhim).

Yeah, that's why I started off my analysis with "I'll assume I'm not scum, I hope that's fair..."

Also,

FOS: xdaamno, sonicpulsar

for beginning to derail the Day with meta-talk, especially LAL-talk. I'm not sure which of you is guiltier, at the moment: sonicpulsar for the initial comment or xdaamno for expanding it to topic talk.

[inHimshallibe]

No, not at all. That would be retarded, besides why WOULDN'T I get notified? I got a PM from Thok Thok, that told me I was now a mason partner.

Let's just sit this aside for now, imo.

Also, I'm not really sure that the topic got derailed, but it was deviating into something else.

The above two aren't the same thing?

I'd say that it didn't look like an actual factor that would indicate alignment, and a

Slight FoS:Toward's Inhim

Meh, as you wish.

Once more, I just don't think it's an indication of scum, but just seeing something, and taking it for something intentional. Just how it folded out, I don't think it was a scumtell. For it to be a scumtell, they would BOTH have to be scum, and therefore have planned it out, and I really don't think that's what happened. Mostly because that would be a sucky sucky gambit.

This part I don't agree with. Why would they both have to be scum? I agree it's a "sucky scum gambit," which is why I made the statement I did: I said I didn't know who was more suspicious at the moment, Xdaamno or sonicpulsar, and for different reasons. I believe one was intentional, the other innocent. Given sonicpulsar's response, I'm going to revert to

unvote
vote: Xdaamno

[inHimshallibe]

sonic's Town Stock continues to rise.

Xdaamno - I found you scummy for taking sonic's comment and actually mentioning Lynch All Liars. IMO, Meta talk not actively applied to catching scum is a slight tell, closely paralleling with Lurking in Plain Sight.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, I'm not really sure that the topic got derailed, but it was deviating into something else.

The above two aren't the same thing?

No, Deviating means it was still relevant, but was swiftly becoming irrelevant.

Thread bump, along with a fixed quote.

OK, fair enough. The "swiftly becoming irrelevant" is bothersome, though, yes?

Some of you guys need a swift kick. Most of you also should be voting Xdaamno.

[inHimshallibe]

Gah, we don't have any scum dead, and lurking is killing us. (Thank you Captain Obvious.)

unvote

I go back and forth on Xdaamno every time I read this thread. I think I've made up my mind that scum would just not be as active in his position.

vote: xyzzy

- don't like his behavior toward schismatized.

[inHimshallibe]

What this game needs is a new wagon.

vote: mlaker

Psst... wrong move... xyzzy...

o.o

[inHimshallibe]

YB, please add something original to the game conversation. All you've done is make side-comments to quotes.

Who do you suspect?

[inHimshallibe]

-dunk-

[inHimshallibe]

Honestly, this game is like 3/4 dead. I've made my arguments, but it's futile to try and lynch someone when half of the Town isn't playing.

[inHimshallibe]

Err, what? You're kidding right? You think he's town because he's active?

That's the straw that broke the back of my attacks. I had been feeling worse about my suspicions, and his continual push brought me over.

[inHimshallibe]

So... why else do you believe him to be town?

If you'd give me a little bit I'll summarize my case against Xdaamno and ask you about that as well to contrast them.

I think the most decisive point has been others' behavior toward Xdaamno. He had received a

lot

of flak from you, myself, and more recently sonicpulsar, and mlaker (if I remember correctly) is the only one to stick up for him. I don't think lurking scum (mlaker in theory) would do this, and after that there are no supporters, which I think is a Town sign.

I've found scum split themselves on both sides of a wagon on a buddy of theirs, and assuming we have three left (yes, I've taken the liberty to gauge a possible setup), it appears Xdaamno isn't one of them.

[inHimshallibe]

I assume it's because I've been all over the place on the issue of Xdaamno. Otherwise, I'd guess it would be the tone or the perceived "slant" of my argument...

For crying out loud, xyzzy, don't just ask "...Why?"

Please, let's lynch xyzzyscum today.

[inHimshallibe]

I assume it's because I've been all over the place on the issue of Xdaamno. Otherwise, I'd guess it would be the tone or the perceived "slant" of my argument...

For crying out loud, xyzzy, don't just ask "...Why?"

Please, let's lynch xyzzyscum today.

Wait, it's now scummy to ask for rationale for a vote?

It's scummy to ask for rationale while contributing none of your own. It's also in-thread lurking.

And "Wait... so it's now scummy..?" ugh, that phrasing is just scummy in and of itself.

Well, then TCS, let's go ahead and bus my partner first, if we're "scum together," shall we? Yeah, I unvoted schismatized because of what xyzzy said - I was willing to give schis the benefit of my doubt. What he did later on I really thought was spin, but I suppose that is now just attributed to his playstyle as well.

[inHimshallibe]

Yogurt also quickly approaching scum level.

[inHimshallibe]

Any final words, xyzzy?

[inHimshallibe]

Steve Francis.

I'm unNKable, since, as a spectator of the All-Star Games rather than a player, I'm never around too late after games and no one has enough contact with me to know where my hotel room is.

And yes, I'm aware that that's a typical scum claim; I'm aware that any defense I give will be met with "LOL wifom noob", so if you're unable to accept the possibility, then it's your fault for lynching a townsperson needlessly.

If you do that, you're a stupid, stupid town.

Ugh, don't claim unNKability... Town should lynch you regardless, now.

[inHimshallibe]

Wait...

Jason Kidd didn't play in the 2006 all-star game.

It's a few days before the 2006 NBA All Star Game and Shaquille O'Neal has turned up dead. Which is a shame, since he's a cop in real life. But the game must go on, and who better to figure things out then the players themselves?

THIS

is why I think all the townies are people who were selected for the big game.

Oh, and BTW: I am not against a mass nameclaim, if others are insistent, but as a rule I tend to be against trying to mass claim to victory.

Vote: Xdammno

Wow, I'm an idiot for never checking this.

Xdaamno, you better find something else besides WIFOM to keep my vote off of you. I should've stuck with my initial read.

If

I

were the cop and

I

had one living guilty or two living innocents,

I

would probably reveal such.

[inHimshallibe]

I'd rather wait to see if we have any supplemental information, because our pool of players is dwindling, but yes, I want to vote Xdaamno now, too.

[inHimshallibe]

Fletcher greatly improving.

HMMM...

In case we

are

wrong, I don't want to give the (presumed) 2 mafia left a chance to discuss things. I might be for a name claim Today.

vote: Xdaamno

[inHimshallibe]

If we're nameclaiming, we should do it before we know for sure whether or not the players are town and non-players are scum.

I unvoted because I don't want a ridiculously quick day. Good thing I did, too, because otherwise the day would be over. Let's slow down, and since SonicPulsar is so intent on discussing IH's death, let's do just that. I think this is showing SonicPulsar to be town, personally. SP, what do you think about it?

I don't think anybody caught that non-players were the mafia. What I quoted was posted on page one, but also on page 1 Thok stated that he was going to keep that information ambiguous for the moment (post 16). I think the only reason it got brought up again was because I replaced; the information there was months old, who could remember it?

I looked up the players for the All-Star game, it's not that I knew all the players off the top of my head. However, it's been all very big names that have been killed off; I'm a very big star as well, if I do say so. This page tells the lineups for the game. It's what I used... hooray wikipedia!

Yao Ming.

OK, so Adam and someone that hadn't name-claimed yet at that point are scum.

unvote
vote: Adam

Argh, I've been so suspicious of Xdaamno, and I normally listen to my gut, but the Adam vote is too compelling.

I'm a Grizzly, RAWR. Pau Gasol.

[inHimshallibe]

sonicpulsar - I tried to be discrete about the specific reason I voted Adam, as not all have claimed yet. Since I've thought about it, only YB is left, and he doesn't read, I think it's safe to explain.

It's also possible the mod didn't think about someone looking up/knowing the lineups, so he didn't bother to dabble in safeclaim names.

i lol'd irl

I voted Adam because I could think of no reason for Town to link the Wikipedia article. Even so, the point made against TCS is a valid one, and may be worthy of a vote.



Ugh. I blame Nekka-Lucifer.

[inHimshallibe]

If vanilla is all you've got for us, then I'll be hammering shortly.

[inHimshallibe]

Really, really sorry about being away for over 5 days. I anticipated only being gone the weekend like normal, but I had some responsibilities at our county fair shoved upon me, and then a lifelong neighbor of ours died shortly after that, and I just haven't made it around to the forums until now. Sorry again.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm hammering. Adam's middle paragraph neatly sums up the decision.

unvote

(didn't check to see if this was needed.

vote: Xdaamno

[inHimshallibe]

Thank you. For my birthday, I decided I'd give you all the present of catching up and posting in the places I need to.

[inHimshallibe]

I would like Sonic Pulsar to claim, because I think YOU were the one rbed as scum.

Fake now, or forever hang in your noose.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Sonicpulsar

- the Day 2 conversation between he and Xdaamno is fishy, as I noted before. I'm going with the current claim - anything to the contrary will probably at least bring the thought of maybe, possibly unvoting.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm actually going to hold off on this vote until TCS posts again.

unvote

[inHimshallibe]

schismatized

(6): (

Haschel Cedricson

, Sonicpulsar, inHimshallibe, Adam The Amazing,

xyzzy

, YogurtBandit)
Adam The Amazing (2): (

Xdaamno

,

schismatized

)

Haschel Cedricson

(1): (The Central Scrutinizer)

Xdaamno

(1): (

IH

)
Sonicpulsar (0):

xyzzy

(0):
inHimshallibe (0):
Fletcher (0):
YogurtBandit (0):

IH

(0):
The Central Scrutinizer (0):

Not Voting (1): (Fletcher)

That is the Day 1 final vote count. Only thing I can really get out of it is that I think TCS is OK. I think maybe the N-L votes might be more worthy to look at, but there were a lot of Not Voting, which doesn't help for mid-Day reviews. If there

are

two scum left, I'd bet one of them is between Fletcher and TCS, because I just don't think 3 of 4 scum would be on the lynchwagon. Because TCS is isolated on a pro-town player, I think it makes him more likely to be Town, but I also feel good about him from just his posts in general.

[inHimshallibe]

And the next morning... I have a couple more thoughts - I was waiting for TCS to post because I really thought he might be the Doc. I'm also one post away from demanding our Cop come forward if he has at least one living investigation result - it might be enough, in my mind, to wrap this up for good... I just need to think about it for a bit.

[inHimshallibe]

Alley-oop!

vote: sonicpulsar

I really don't think we're up against 4 scum on the same team.