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OMGUS Vote: Nocmen."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Funny, I thought theMojo wrote:
It's going to sound weird, but I don't like this question. To me, it almost seems like he doesn't want to hunt scum.dagger wrote:So, do we keep rolling and keep gaining abilities instead of hunting scums?
I know this question might have been a joke or just a mindless question, but it still looks a bit scummy to me.
Unvote: Thesp. Vote: Daggeropposite. I can conceive of something else, though...
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You used all 6 dice, so you get to keep going."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Sorry, back now. Let's roll! I'm going to take bird111's remaining dice. He scored 750, correct?
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Mod, any chance you can keep the first post updated with the status of where the dice rolls are?Thanks.
Also, I'd be good with either a Coron or a Mojo lynch. Not fond of the Nocmen wagon."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Taking out the 5, four dice remaining, 800 points.
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Taking out the three fives for 500 points, added to the 800 yields a finish of1300 points. 1 die remaining. Mojo, you're up."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I'm thoroughly confused here as to what you're saying.Coron wrote:Me thinks someone does not exactly grasp the game?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Sorry, I'd never heard of Farkel where you couldn't play off of the prior player's roll. I've always known it with what the Wikipedia refers to as "running". Also, I'd rather not have the condescension, Coron. Thanks. Let's try again...Nai wrote:I will put up status in the first post, I am also setting a 2 day maximum before you r turn is skipped. This is not helpful.
Thesp, you don't pick up where someone left off. You roll your dice separate from the opponent. You don't get their points.
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Keeping the 1, rolling 5 dice, current points - 100
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Keeping the 1, rolling 4 dice, current points - 200
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Keeping the 1, rolling 3 dice, current points - 300
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Presuming we don't need to open with 500 points, I'll take the 5 and stop with350 points. Thanks."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I am uncertain as to where you are divining this information, and am uncomfortable with its skewed presentation. Here's part of it:Coron wrote:They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell.
Coron wrote:If he wants to pass there's no reason for us to stop him. That is unless you're scum with him.
The reasoning here is suspect on two levels. First, let's presume for the sake of discussion that there are three scum remaining. (This line of reasoning is similar to what Adele hints at.) Let's suppose we give advice that is helpful to everyone, and benefits everyone in some way. (You could argue my advice did not in fact do this, my argument is that it will go out similarly to everyone.) If each player is somehow advataged similarly, presumably 7 town have been advantaged, and 3 scum have been advantaged. There are also possible arguments that scum get better advantages for who-knows-what reasons, yet I suspect on the balance the town is benefittedCoron wrote:If his score is low you're more likely to win. You know that you are (whatever alignment you are) and will help you out. The only reason to want others to do well is if you think that they are of similar alignment for some reason or another.morethan scum are. Given that, suggesting that we ought to limit our advice giving is extremely suspect to me. Second (and furthermore), suggesting people are scum together based on that reeks to me.
Unvote: Nocmen, Vote: Coron.
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Still here, still happy with my vote."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Because I think you're full of it, and giving suspect reasons for your early attacks."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I've played Farkle a good bit before (though usually with the variant where you can run off other people's points), so I may have some insight. Take these as you like.
Farkle: General Tips
(There will be nuances and variances to these tips, but I think on the whole they can help everyone maximize their points.)
-Shoot for 350 points.You can reasonably make this amount of points most of the time. Also, missing a turn on points is killer.
-Don't roll 2 or fewer dice.The odds of scoring points off of them are outweighed by how easily you can lose what you have.
-Early in your rolls, keep few dice.You'd like to average 100+ points per die with your first 3 rolls if possible. If you roll a 1 and 2 5's, dump the 5's, you're more likely to get 3-of-a-kinds and other 1's this way. Keep few dice, unless you really want to hold a couple of 1's you just rolled.
-Score every turn, if possible.If you've got to take 250, do it. Scoring consistently makes you more likely to win.
I hope this helps. There may be some disagreements on these ideas, but on the whole, I think they'll help. Good luck!"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Here and happy. I don't buy the Nocmen stuff, unless there's something I'm clearly not seeing."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Keep the 1, 100 points.
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Keep a 5, 150 points, 4 dice remaining.
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Keep the points, stop with 350.
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(Still happy with Coron vote, will re-look over thread at some point.)"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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ThAdmiral, I'd like to hear at least three players you think are more likely to be scum than others. I don't care if you're wrong or not, I want your best guesses."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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It's not my turn, is it? Also, I strongly dislike Coron's defenses of misrepresenting people."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Coron wrote:They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell.
The former quote is misleading, and the latter is oversimplified.Coron wrote:He wants to lynch me because I'm winning the Farkle game. Not a particularly strong reason."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I like how you're thinking.ThAdmiral wrote:@thesp: my three picks.
1. Cogito ergo scum
Is he really playing this game, or just joking around. All he has done is suggest a coron vote and then try and jump on wagons. If he's not scum then he's not a helpful town regardless and is probably the best first day lynch.
2. Coron
Not much going here, but theres the stats thing, which I didn't like, and then the vote for nocmen which he didn't give a reason for.
3. Dagger
This ones more of a gut feeling, but it also has something to do with how he went from arguing with coron to defending him, sort of."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Seol! Yes! Maybe now I'll get to where I care about this game.
I'm intrigued by the idea of Farklefix.
Coron, I know I'm asking what is potentially an impossible question for you to answer correctly, but do you think you'd have the same stance if you didn't have significantly more points thatn everyone else? How about if we were trying to Farklefix for you?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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The extra part at the end you've added intrigues me.Coron wrote:
Yes, yes.Thesp wrote: Coron, I know I'm asking what is potentially an impossible question for you to answer correctly, but do you think you'd have the same stance if you didn't have significantly more points thatn everyone else? How about if we were trying to Farklefix for you?
and the point is moot anyway, because I was correct."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Vote count, please. I need to see who I'm going to vote for."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I'll stop with 700."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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QFT. As one of those who is apparently unintentionally lurking, I'm having a hard time really figuring out where to go right now. I find myself not caring a whole lot, which bothers me.Seol wrote:Secondly, we don't have a deadline any more but we really ought to, y'know,play mafia. I'm happy with my vote on Nocmen for now but this feels like a game 80% composed of lurkers who are only here for the Farkle...Unvote: Coron, Vote: Nocmen. I'd still rather see Coron swing, but I'll bandwagon someone where we can get some action."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Who's up for a SK lynch?Nocmen wrote:Well...damn, im at Ly-1.
Believe me if you want to or not. Im a Vig, I killed Dean last night."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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As uncomfortable as I am with claimed vigs who fire N1 being left alive, I do find your argument here very compelling.Seol wrote:
That does actually make sense, and if it's a lie, it's aNocmen wrote:I wasn't paying attention when I read my role. After the crash, I went and reread everything I had to not get my roles in each game confused after a week hiatus or so. That's all I can really say to my past thought, poor reading comprehension made me take the chance that did pay out.veryclever one. Furthermore, it only makes sense if you are a vig, not an SK.
unvote.Unvote: Nocmen. I'd still like for Coron to swing."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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The former. There seems to be an unnatural tendency among players to think that the surest way to pass by as a townie when SK is to claim to be a vig. Regardless, your argument on his claim is top-notch and very compelling.Seol wrote:
Is that because they're likely to be SKs, or as a metagame pressure to stop vigs firing night 0 to weaken vig claims for SKs who fire night 0?Thesp wrote:As uncomfortable as I am with claimed vigs who fire N1 being left alive, I do find your argument here very compelling.
Why?ThAdmiral wrote:So now we have to decide who he is to kill tonight, or if indeed that is necessary.FOS: ThAdmiral."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I disagree, I think he should kill as he sees fit, and I don't want him revealing who he will kill.ThAdmiral wrote:
Two reasons:Thesp wrote:
Why?ThAdmiral wrote:So now we have to decide who he is to kill tonight, or if indeed that is necessary.FOS: ThAdmiral.
1. the town can have two lynches
2. if he is a serial killer then he would be working for town anyway.
I would be happy if he didn't hit anyone tonight. We don't have any strong leads on anyone and should really only be looking to go for a kill if there's a cop investigation or something really suspicious in the next few days."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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How else will we find out if he's the Serial Killer or not? Also, why help out the mafia? I bet they'd love to know who he's going to kill. Also, won't the alignment of the lynched play some role in the decision?Dagger wrote:That is dangerous because there is still the remote possibility he's not a vig as was claimed."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Vote: ThAdmiral, though I like the votes on Cogito Ergo Scum."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I'm uncomfortable with your approach towards the vig.ThAdmiral wrote:
Reasoning?Thesp wrote:Vote: ThAdmiral
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Nocmen, did you try to kill anyone last night?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Why?Nocmen wrote:As for last night, I chose to take no night action."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Happy with my vote. I don't want to see CES use his role in the game again, unless its an endgame situation."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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How? I'm not against telling people how to use their roles, I'm against bad advice, and against certain circumstances.ThAdmiral wrote:Ooh, telling people how to use their roles. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I agree. I think the roleblocker is a terrible role for a pro-town player to use (as it's on the whole more likely to harm the town than help them), and should rarely, if ever, be used.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:If you think like this, there wouldn't be any good reason for a town roleblock to block someone ever. Unless you're 100% sure someone's scum.
I was against the town guiding someone who is likely either a SK or vigilante. In that particular instance, it makes it much more difficult to distinguish between the two if we force him to kill as we see fit.ThAdmiral wrote:@ thesp: I thought you were against me telling nocmen what to do, such as not to kill anyone last night. (also note I wasn't the only one saying that).
Are you comfortable with that?kilmenator wrote:Thats lynch -1 CES
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That concern is there as well.ThAdmiral wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense. I thought you didn't want the town to lead his actions so the mafia would be able to block him/kill him when they thought he was going to be used against them or something.
Why did you state it in the first place?kilmenator wrote:
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Are you comfortable with that?kilmenator wrote:Thats lynch -1 CES
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I ask because I'm curious. I find your defensiveness here notable.kilmenator wrote:
Is there something wrong with the fact that I stated it? I stated it because I wanted to make sure everyone knew it, I also wanted to show that scum have not finished him off yet, which if he is town, is quite interesting. Cause scum could have easily hammered.Thesp wrote:
Why did you state it in the first place?kilmenator wrote:
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Are you comfortable with that?kilmenator wrote:Thats lynch -1 CES
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I think you're suffering from CESintrism.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:Random Notes, made under the assumption I'm town:
- Coron was killed to incriminate me.
Howso on the chain lynches? I don't see it.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:- Kilmenator and/or Thesp is scum. Thesp is trying to set up chain lynches, and this conversation they're having is sketchy. I don't really like Kilmenator's posts today either.
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Mafia is a game in which there is a group of people pitted against an ungrouped people. I am indeed looking for links between players. I'm confused as to why you think that is a bad thing. Can you clarify?Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:
You're trying to link others constantly.Thesp wrote:Howso on the chain lynches? I don't see it."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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1) I disagree that I'm stretching. Sometimes links are tenuous, but scum rarely connect themselves to each other in obvious ways. I use what I can take.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:Because:
1) You're sometimes quite stretching in finding links between people.
2) It unhelpful talking about links that make the death of a townie incriminate someone else. It's what the mafia did last night, and it's what you're trying to do to.
2) I respectfully disagree. Also, how do you know what the mafia were trying to do with their nightkill last night? I'm also intrigued as to where I made these "links that make the death of a townie incriminate someone else" you referred to - can you point them out? You seem to assert I was using them pretty strongly."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Why make it theoretical?Dagger wrote:@Thesp: Let me ask you a theoretical question. Would you prefer a CES' lynch or a kilmenator's lynch and why?
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Let me put it this way - I can live with suggestions to the vig (though I think them unwise), though I think it should be clear that the vig do whatever they want. No sense in letting the mafia get a free idea on whether they should block the vig or not (if they have or can get a roleblocker).ThAdmiral wrote:If it doesn't offend thesp too much I would like to suggest lynching ces and vigging kilmenator. That should make everyone happy (with the exception of those two).
Or to go one step further lynching ces and if he turns up mafianot viggingkilmenator as I doubt they are both scum.
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What does the vig have to do with the lynch?ThAdmiral wrote:
Why, because it's logical?bertrand wrote:I don't like this post one bit..
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ThAdmiral wrote:Alright.
Lynch ces and then vig me if he's not scum.
*sigh*Mokina wrote:I would strongly push for a vig no-kill tonight. Someone earlier in the thread compared the vigilante to a "second lynch," but there is one crucial difference. The vig isn't getting the full feedback of the town when he/she makes the kill. This makes a town (or even protown power role) nightkill a disturbingly real possibility.
I'm going to start voting anyone who tries to guide the vig in whatever capacity. It's got to stop. The vig should do whatever the frick they feel like.If they choose on their own (and are town, which seems quite likely), then their decision is based 100% on town influence. If they go off of suggestions in the thread, there could almost certainly be scum influence in the vig kill, which is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad. Shut up about the vig and scum-hunt.
(I'm sorry if that comes off unnecessarily strong. I'm trying to make a point, and mean nothing personal about it.)
I'm ready to lurker-hunt, I have a strong feeling our scum may be hiding.
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I don't understand what you're saying with the first sentence. The second sentence is true, but the decision wouldn't be based on directed guidance. (There's an argument to be made against a vig who ignores the advice given by town that could be used to pressure them into bad vigs. I'm trying to pre-empt such pressure.) I don't buy this deflection you're trying.Mokina wrote:Meh... during the day, everyone is a "town influence" (including the mafia). No offense, but a vigilante's decision will always be based on what is said in discussion.FOS: Mokina.I'd love to seewho you think is scum, notwho you think should or shouldn't be killed.
kilmenator wrote:Also, I agree that the vig should not use their kill unless they are pretty positive they are hitting scum because they are just as likely to hit a pro-town power role, and some roles have information that could be helpful to the town.Unvote, Vote: kilmenator.
Can you outline these obvious reasons (re: kilmenator) for those of whom it's not evident?ThAdmiral wrote:I think I can rule out myself and probably kilmenator now though, for obvious reasons."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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You directed the vig. It looked scummy to me. You also seemed really awkward around the CES bandwagon."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I shouldn't have hit post so soon. I also can't shake the feeling that you're happy CES didn't get lynched, and you want the credit for distancing. I'm really not comfortable with how you've gone about today, and it sure feels like it would make sense for mafia to act as you have."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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That's sort of sad, 'cause it looks like I won't get a roll.Nai wrote:I set it this way so everyone DOES. It's unfair if you, for instance, get two rolls before someone else gets just one. That's not how this game is played.
1 & 2) It's more recent activity which looks awkward to me, notably reminding everyone that CES is at lynch -1. It seems insignificant, but I find scum do it more often than town, especially when their partners are the possible lynchee. This is why I thought there might be a tie between the two of you. I've looked over your posts, and I'm beginning to suspect the opposite - you're scum and CES is an easy lynch.kilmenator wrote:Does not make sense.
#1 all game I have pushed for a CES lynch, if I recall correctly, I think I started the push altogether. How was I awkward around the CES wagon?
#2 what would lead you to believe that I am happy CES was not lynched. Was I not voting for him at days end? Is it my fault that he was not lynched? No, it was those not voting him.
#3 How does it make sense for mafia to act as I have, could you please elaborate?
#4 I did not direct the vig any more than anyone else did, seems to me that you are reaching to make a case against someone...
#5 If you think I am distancing CES, then wouldn't it stand to reason that CES is scum too? And therefore, shouldnt you be voting CES, the scum with the most votes? Your argument that I am distancing scum with CES does not hold water, I went after CES, I am the one who outlined a case against him, I am the one hunting scum, and not just nitpicking what people say and randomly calling people out.
#6 Why is it that you are calling me out and putting pressure on me for lurking (which I wasnt) and for directing the vig, and yet, there are others doing far worse and yet you continue to push for me. Not Logical...
3) You've sat on the wagon without pushing harder for it, and sitting around hoping he'd be lynched. Mafia tend to do this. You're not working or helping on anything else unless directly pulled into the conversation. That's consistent with how scum tend to act.
4) You were the first to direct the vigimmediately after I said, in big bold letters, "I'm going to start voting anyone who tries to guide the vig in whatever capacity. It's got to stop. The vig should do whatever the frick they feel like." I outlined reasons why I thought directing the vig was anti-town. Mokina read this and had rational discourse with me about it. You read this and directed the vig.
5) Possibly, but I'm more concerned with you, and I'm not sure it was distancing, and thought I'd get better reaction out of you, and if I voted him CES might be lynched before I get the info I wanted. Now I've gotten that reaction/info, and I'm beginning to think it'snotdistancing - I think you're scum and he's not.
6) I agree that others are lurking as well and need to be alerted - why is it that I can't call you on it? You're clearly here and can participate.
7) Happy with my vote on kilmenator. I think she's scum trying to push an easy wagon.
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Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.Mokina wrote:No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.
Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.
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Why the frick would CES want theWouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would bewhole threadto know the cop's identity?badfor scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedlynotmore likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as theydon'twant the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)
Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina.I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.
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This is a reasonable argument/suggestion.kilmenator wrote:The problem thesp in the way that CES did all that was the way he basically said the cop would have a guilty on him. For a pro-town player, that doesnt seem very good.
I don't think CES was trying to find out if someone was cop so he could protect them. I am suggesting that outing the copkilmenator wrote:And basically by your submission here, you are stating that you think CES might be trying to gain info on someone to find out if they are the cop to protect them, wouldnt it stand to reason too that he could be scum hunting out the cop to target them tonight?in such a waywould be highly unusual for scum (especially if it turns out theydon'thave a roleblocker), and scum typically hide their guesses on whom the cop might be so that they can privately kill them at night. (Claimed cops draw doc protection way more frequently than unclaimed ones do.) The manner in which he asked ThAdmiral to claim if he was cop didn't feel scummy to me.
On that note, I'd like to ask:
Cogito Ergo Scum, are you a miller?A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to hear any other details of your role, whether you have them or not. I also think all millers should claim."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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