Mini 422 - Paranoia Mafia - Game Over

[Mr. Flay]

PWS, what is your Clerarance Level, please?

[Mr. Flay]

Hmmm, the Communications Officers are apparently falling down on the job of informing you that I am CES' clone.

At this point I am happy (and you should be too) to

Vote: PlaysWithSquirrels

and, pending the outcome of that lynch, possibly stark. Have not done a full readthrough yet...

[Mr. Flay]

In a dream last night the computer had an obsidian screen. Twice green text flashed, revealing two names. Once: The Central Scrutinizer. Twice: Stark. After: obsidian turned to crimson, and the computer was no more.

It is my calling to communicate my dreams. I am the Communications Officer (CO).

I am

Voting The Central Scrutinizer

.

-Peter-I-Venks-1

Peter-I, is this a true message? Or were you merely fulfilling your duties as Happiness Officer here?

DA-G-EN-2, while I appreciate the offer, I will not reveal my clearance yet. It may be more useful later. Your speculation is welcome, however.

[Mr. Flay]

i officially no longer understand this game.

Request Replacement

please.

The hell? We finally

have

some information about this game. We now know that there are at least three factions: Communists, Enemies of Friend Computer, and 'others', who are presumably normal, loyal citizens. Anyone disagree that Sarcastro looks like our only pro-town death so far??

[Mr. Flay]

Peter, read the first page again. Friend Computer selected 4 Happiness Officers, 4 Communications Officers, 3 Hygiene Officers, and (by default) 1 Team Leader. Since it was done in public and after the game started, I can't imagine it's having any actual game effect, it's just local color.

What I was

really

asking about was whether or not your "one blink good, two blinks bad" information was flavor, or an actual "result" of some kind.

As a replacement, I also received the role PM of my predecessor, so I have his "code name", not my own. Yours doesn't fit the pattern, in that it's not all caps and the last section should have (at most) three characters, but I don't think that's a big deal either since you aren't that familiar with the game. I don't think it's particularly scummy, since role names also aren't likely to be indicative of power roles or alignment, at least from what I've seen of the thread. The Fonz, for example, is DA-G-EN-2, indicating he's the second clone and has Green clearance.

BM: I don't hate you, but I don't see why you'd think The Computer is incapable of editing the first post in a timely manner. That sounds an awful lot like treason... and it makes more sense to me that no red text on a nightkill means that he's pro-town. Remember, TCS is claiming to be a role redirector... by the way,

what did you do last night, TCS?

Who were your three names, please?

[Mr. Flay]

Peter...

What I was

really

asking about was whether or not your "one blink good, two blinks bad" information was flavor, or an actual "result" of some kind.

Ugh, dude, why would you even

ask

that?

When I avoided responding directly, why did you bold it? You think I missed it??

Frankly, yes. You've already said you didn't have a good grasp on the theme of the game. I ask because, live or dead, knowing what you intended by that is helpful to me. Once you're dead, we only get to speculate, since it appears we will not be learning Secret Society powers on death. If that was a "breadcrumb", you might as well have shared out the full loaf.

I respectfully decline to answer as I'm not sure what its significance is at this juncture. If you want to explain to me what you wish to gain from this information I may be more accomadating.

I'm curious, frankly. There may be some sort of correlation, or it may be completely irrelevant to the game, but I'd be remiss to not take advantage of every piece of information available to me. Your lack of cooperation is noted.

[Mr. Flay]

Well, that's as may be, but I'm not the one under the microscope here at present. PWS continues to be evasive, and I also want to hear DA-G-EN-2/The Fonz's speculation first, since it'll be ruined if I reveal first.

Afterward, sure.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay: Any reason you think I'm being evasive other than me not revealing my clearance.

Well, you've already refused to give role information in the past, so I think it shows that you're worried about a pattern. No one else seems to share that concern.

But totally aside from the lack of clearance, I'm voting you because you didn't suspect Stevie on Day One, you doubt that the Communists are scum, and you went after Sarcastro before he ended up dead and apparently pro-town.

[Mr. Flay]

<--------- Did all of those things, IIRC

Yeah, but you're at least trying to play along with the game... if your choices turn out to be false, you'll be lynched in short order. And if they're true, they could provide us with a lot of data in the endgame.

Fonz, did you ever say what you thought my clearance level was, and/or why?

[Mr. Flay]

Seconded. The hell?

[Mr. Flay]

This no-reveal stuff is making my brain hurt. Anyone have any ideas on how to proceed?

[Mr. Flay]

So you said back in July. What I don't understand, if you have such a powerful role, is a) why you're still alive, and b) why you offered to be lynched two days later, if it would help move the game along.

I'm leaning toward you being scum who knows you need just one more day to win, at this point, but I still want to hear more before I vote.

TCS, choices from last night? Fonz, any opinion on security clearances today?

[Mr. Flay]

Whoa, WHOA,

WHOA

! Why are we trying to speedlynch? We have

NO

idea how many scum are left out there, but the encoding of the first post leads me to believe there could be two separate groups (Communists and Enemies), and at least one of those could be a cult. If so, living to Day Five would be more than enough time to finish that goal...

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, since my clearance level is higher than his, I'd be very surprised if he had anything about me in there (even assuming the claim is true). Assuming we (and scum) let him live until tomorrow, how do we wish to proceed with verifying it, however?

Despite being moderately favorable toward Coron yesterday, I'm leaning toward a killajay lynch today. That quicklynch yesterday was

too

weird...

[Mr. Flay]

Violet, yes.

[Mr. Flay]

Argh, sorry, I forgot Violet and Indigo were not the same in this game. I'm Violet, but I thought I was confirming your theory.

Day 5 is not far enough into a game for the mod to rationally provide a game-breaking mechanism like full role reveal, UNLESS there's some split between role and faction (like a Cult or Split game). So I'm not inclined to put too much stock in stark's claim making him eminently pro-town. Stark, without risking modkill, what "exactly" can you tell us about what you're claiming? Roles and assignments? Secret societies?

That said, I'm more concerned about killajay and Peter Venkman immediately. I'd be content to lynch one of them today, since they seemed to be going for a speedylynch at the end of yesterday. I'm not sure which I prefer, though...

[Mr. Flay]

*sigh* So what was the theory, Fonz?

[Mr. Flay]

*bump*

killajay, how can you have NO suspicions today?? I know you just replaced in, but it's Day Four... I'm almost ready to vote this clown, but I'd really prefer if people were talking, first. 36 hours should not a double-post make...

[Mr. Flay]

Ah, No, I'm COGITO-V-SUM. Good theory, though.

killajay: If everyone has suspicions on you and you get lynched, then we can use your suspicion/non-suspicion list to formulate a plan for tomorrow. If you're town, it can be known to be an honest opinion. If you're scum, we get to analyze it for clues to your buddy.

It also might, you know, help the game move forward and not lynch you after all. Unless you're just trying to save your own skin, and not help us...

[Mr. Flay]

Vote: killajay

for reasons already stated. This does not seem like pro-town behavior.

[Mr. Flay]

Y'know, probably the ONLY reasons I believe PV are that I voted for PWS too, and that I'm pretty sure that he's smart enough to come up with a better excuse than that for lynching, if he was scum. But maybe not...


Anyway, where IS everybody? This is still supposed to be a 7-player game, isn't it?

[Mr. Flay]

Fascinating voting pattern. With seven alive and (probably) two scum groups, we're not likely in lynch-or-lose, but still, two L-1 wagons??

[Mr. Flay]

Where's our gamebreaker, stark??

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote

Explain.

[Mr. Flay]

Hammering is placing the lynching vote. A risk of being at lynch-1 in the vote count is that scum (or anyone) can lynch you before you have a chance to respond.

I really want to hear from The Fonz, if that was an ability claim.

[Mr. Flay]

killajay replaced Coron, who is more than capable of getting himself replaced as Jester. I'm not buying that theory.

Where (*^*$&#& is Fonz?!?!?

[Mr. Flay]

Two corrections to the above:

...Coron, who is more than capable of getting himself

killed

as Jester.

Where the (*^*$&#& is

everyone

?!?!?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm about there myself. I'll also be on vacation from tomorrow until Tuesday, but should have some intermittent access in Atlanta.

[Mr. Flay]

This is why I was so damn suspicious of PWS- if his PM was in the same format as mine and he was a townie, he'd have known he could have given the information requested without giving up ANY role information. That he didn't know this suggested powerrole or scum. This is also why I was particularly pissed off at Venks for the quickhammer.

And yet PWS appears to have come up as pro-town vanilla. I'm mightily confused by this game, but your gambit is too weird to be scum IMO.

Vote: killajay

as before.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm not sure how to proceed without the information from that lynch. The only other remote possibility besides yourself is The Fonz, and even you unvoted him...

I'm about ready to Increment Clone Counter, personally. *grumble* Where IS everybody???

[Mr. Flay]

Friend Computer, this Section needs to be nuked from orbit. It is obviously dysfunctional...

[Mr. Flay]

At this point, it's practically a mercy killing, and I need to know the truth here.

Unvote, Vote: Peter Venkman

- I believe that's L-1?

[Mr. Flay]

killajay, that's two rapid lynches you've been party to. Any reason we shouldn't lynch you next?

[Mr. Flay]

TCS, have you got any reason to believe your powers have ever actually worked? I'm not at all certain mine have (and yes I'm partially claiming, at this point we need all the information we can get).

[Mr. Flay]

I am on your lynch list? Since WHEN?

I'll claim if it seems useful (or if more people than just you want it), but I see no indication yet that any powers are definitely working. It would be entirely in-theme for Insane Friend Computer to screw with us in that manner.

[Mr. Flay]

Besides, killajay didn't kill stark =/= killajay isn't scum. It could be another scum group, or another member of his group. Think, man! Why are you defending him today?

[Mr. Flay]

I am on your lynch list? Since WHEN?

Since you woke up today gunning for a player I think is innocent.

All you know (or think you know) is that he didn't carry out the kill. I don't see why you think he's innocent because of that.

I'll claim, but give me a few hours to rescue someone from car trouble.

[Mr. Flay]

I have some sort of investigatory role, with respect to mutant powers. However EVERY time I or my predecessor have used it, it's come back "Not a mutant", which makes it seem very unlikely that it's working correctly. I have no idea if it's Bastard Moddery or player interference, but combining that with the no-reveal deaths has made me very skeptical, not to mention frustrated.

I'll only give the names of my investigation targets if it seems helpful, but for right now I see no interference from TCS' "power". If someone else has another explanation, I'm all ears.

[Mr. Flay]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that the reason I'm fairly sure this is a useless power is that a) the rules say everyone has a mutant power, and b) one of my targets came up as "enemy of the Computer" upon death.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah. My predecessor investigated Sefer and Sarcastro, both of whom are now dead, and one of which came up scum. Neither came up as having a mutant power. That's why I'm sure my results are useless (barring player interference, of course), at least for the purposes of finding scum.

Having a redirector role makes it 99.44% likely that scum have to choose who sends in the kill, so why would they have killajay, who has been drawing increasing amounts of heat, make the kill when they think/know that your power exists?

[Mr. Flay]

Stark specifically said he had the mutant power of Extreme Luck; I checked him last night, on the off chance that he wouldn't die, and got "Not a mutant".

[Mr. Flay]

Nono, that's not what I said.

I received "Not a mutant" on all five investigations thus far. Including the one who later came up as "Enemy of the Computer", and stark (who had claimed a mutant power, and was presumably pro-town and had little to no reason to lie).

[Mr. Flay]

SRSLY.

(TCS, are you considering me not claimed? because I've done everything but quote my role PM)

[Mr. Flay]

Still here. Still not ready to vote.

[Mr. Flay]

Where. The. Hell. Is. Everyone?

No lynch-jumpers tells me either one of c_d/Fonz is scum, or we're not actually in lynch-or-lose. Therefore

Vote: The Fonz

- I don't like his reasoning behind that vote, as it smacks of trying to get me on his side. Maybe this is perverse/wrong, but we need SOME sort of movement...

[Mr. Flay]

Frankly, I'd still rather lynch Killajay because of those quicklynches, but with TCS' "clearing" I don't see any chance of that today. Then again if he's town, do we dare leave him alive until tomorrow to be the scapegoat in lynch-or-lose?

[Mr. Flay]

Are we deadlined? Why not?

I convinced myself in my last post:

Unvote: The Fonz, Vote: killajay

- gotta go with what both my head and gut say.

[Mr. Flay]

I have read back through and I am thinking we can live with...

VOTE: No Lynch

My reasoning for being quiet... PC issues

I'm not following the no lynch rationale. Please explain a bit more.

Ditto; I think this means "I can live with not being lynched today..."

[Mr. Flay]

I care, I just don't know what else to say that hasn't been said...

[Mr. Flay]

If we all vote for one other person, do you think the Computer will just kill us all?

Why are you voting me, c_d?

[Mr. Flay]

You're right, my role does absolutely nothing, as far as I can tell. So far no one's role has been proven to do anything, as far as I can tell. If someone knows otherwise, they damn well better speak up!

unvote, Vote: chaotic_diablo

- that was the weakest case for an endgame vote I've ever seen.

[Mr. Flay]

No one else is voting killajay. I'd move my vote back there in a heartbeat if someone would, but this game was going NOWHERE for more than a week with my vote there. Either we're not at lynch-or-lose, or the major lynch targets have been scum, because there's been more than enough time for a quicklynch in the last two month. I'm willing to bet the former.

So because my role would do nothing, it must be a fake claim? Riiiight. If I was fake-claiming, why the &*%&^$#% would I claim a role that does zilch?? stark's claim was equally improbable from the other direction, but we'll never know because of his death.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote

- TCS said he'd vote chaotic_diablo or The Fonz and I don't want to end day w/o finishing this discussion.

[Mr. Flay]

So because my role would do nothing, it must be a fake claim? Riiiight. If I was fake-claiming, why the &*%&^$#% would I claim a role that does zilch?? stark's claim was equally improbable from the other direction, but we'll never know because of his death.

It goes with the same reasoning as why Peter would claim he would be missing parts of his pm. [/quote]Uhhh? If the first post can be trusted (and if it can't, I'll vote myself right now), Peter was Pro-Town. So presumably he was telling the truth.

Faking a role that does zilch makes it more believable to some people. Since Peter just claimed a role with missing elements, it's possible a fake role can be made to take advantage of it. Which brings me back to what you said when your role probably didn't work because of "Bastard Moddery," and "Player Interference".

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. Either the role doesn't work because of "bastard moddery" (since at least one dead pro-town player claimed a mutant power) and I'm effectively naïve, or someone's interfering. I don't

know

what it would do if it worked properly, because to date I haven't gotten any useful information out of it!

Which is why I've been trying to determine if

anyone

else's mutant power demonstrably works. If not, the chances of bastard moddery/naiveté go way up, and we can ignore that information, including perhaps the 'clearing' of killajay.

[Mr. Flay]

Argh, I'm typing too fast: screwed up the nested quote tags in my last message, and the time span in 677 should say "in the last two weeks".

[Mr. Flay]

I don't consider Missing Role PM Information to be Bastard Moddery, just Incompetent Moddery (no offense, Thesp). And it still doesn't explain why you think I would,

given a choice

, craft a fake roleclaim that would do nothing useful. Why not use my cleverness to craft a way to obtain a mislynch, for example?

[Mr. Flay]

Crafting a claim to mislynch is risker and more difficult than crafting a claim to look innocent. Would you be clever enough to convince us not to observe your actions and results closely?

In a word, yes. Have you read my prior games as scum??

Your logic is still shaky, but I'm not convinced you're the play for today.

Vote: killajay

[Mr. Flay]

User:Mr._Flay/Playing_record#Finished.2FDead - the Guitarists Mini, NG 156, NG 317, and NG 436 are probably some shining examples.

[Mr. Flay]

*drums fingers on table*

[Mr. Flay]

chaotic_diablo's major argument against me seems to be that he thinks my roleclaim is fake because it does nothing. I riposted that if I was

fake

claiming, I'd have done a better job. He asked for evidence that I would be able to make an actual claim stick and not draw suspicion. I gave him examples of my play as scum (which is frankly generally better than my play as town).

Yes, it's a bit WIFOM, but it's not without provocation.

[Mr. Flay]

What the ****?

Unvote, OMGUS: TCS

- now is not the time for wild-ass ideas like "lynch Flay just in case". If you don't have a case, unvote NOW.

[Mr. Flay]

So killajay has hammered for the third time - surprise, surprise. On your heads be it... I'm free at last, free at last, thank Friend Computer, I'm free at last!

And Fonz: No, nothing in my PM, just the game flavor of an insane computer. I'm very curious to see the end-game wrap-up now...

[Mr. Flay]

It sounds like there was some sort of multi-faction scum... I look forward to Thesp's breakdown.

--> killajay - you were WAY too transparent in pushing for those lynches. Any sensible town would have nuked your @ss.