Mini 422 - Paranoia Mafia - Game Over

[The Fonz]

Hi Guys. DA-G-EN-2 here.

Unfortunately it's been quite a while since my re-read, so I'm, er, going to have to do another one. IIRC, PWS looked pretty darn dodgy.

THe fact that we had one 'enemy of the computer' and one non-enemy die at night indicates either vigging or switching.

[The Fonz]

Yup. Three points from my read:

1. All the RP was annoying
2. I'm very confident Mojo is town
3. PWS is the scummiest at the moment

Vote: PlaysWithSquirrels

[The Fonz]

And by Mojo, I obviously mean Mojo/TCS.

[The Fonz]

Flay, would you be willing to share your own security clearance level? I think I have an inkling what it might be.

[The Fonz]

Is it just me, or does Peter-I-Venks-1 look like a fake name to anyone else?

[The Fonz]

So it is possible that Sarcastro tried to kill TCS and got it redirected upon himself.

Though much more likely he was simply the NK with the scum concluding he was unlynchable, so must be NKed.

Really want to hear PWS answer Flay's question (and preferably the earlier ones from Mojo which he dismissed as fishing) before going further.

[The Fonz]

Flay: Any reason you think I'm being evasive other than me not revealing my clearance.

Well, you've already refused to give role information in the past, so I think it shows that you're worried about a pattern. No one else seems to share that concern.

But totally aside from the lack of clearance, I'm voting you because you didn't suspect Stevie on Day One, you doubt that the Communists are scum, and you went after Sarcastro before he ended up dead and apparently pro-town.

He didn't just not suspect Stevie. He actively defended him, based on the notion that his violet clearance might make him someone important.

Apart from PWS' refusal to share information? His refusal is a pretty damn huge scumtell. If PWS were town, he'd know that he could reveal his clearance level, whether or not he was in a secret society, and whether he was a mutant, without giving out any role information whatsoever. The fact that he was unwilling to do so, indicates that he doesn't know whether town might have different answers to those questions to the ones in his PM, and doesn't want to answer for fear of slipping up.

[The Fonz]

Greetings, Troubleshooter! You are XXXXX-X-XXXXX-1, and your friend The Computer has chosen you for a very important mission! You were carefully selected for this mission based on your record, experience, overall flammability, and the rhyming potential of your name. Internal Security has detected the presence of Traitors who seek the downfall of Alpha Complex and Friend Computer. They are clearly identified by ***CARRIER INTERRUPT PLEASE WAIT** and terminate them upon discovery. Proceed to transtube <insert link to game thread here>, confirm receipt of this message in thread and read the mission briefing. Failure to read the briefing carries a minimum penalty of a single demerit, to a maximum penalty of summary execution.

Please remember that your clearance level is XXXXXXXXXXXXX, which carries all the rights and restrictions appertaining thereunto.

Stay alert! Keep your laser handy!

Trust no one!

Confirm vote: PWS

[The Fonz]

No, I didn't. I asked you what it was, and said I thought I could probably work it out, but I never said what my guess was.

[The Fonz]

Peter should have known

something

, but it's not what you think it is.

[The Fonz]

I don't see why I should, at this point.

[The Fonz]

I don't see why I should, at this point.

What's the weather like up in your tower? It must get pretty lonely up there.

It's nothing like that. I just don't want the scum having that information quite yet.

[The Fonz]

I believe that's a lynch. In which case, WTF?

[The Fonz]

So you said back in July. What I don't understand, if you have such a powerful role, is a) why you're still alive, and b) why you offered to be lynched two days later, if it would help move the game along.

I'm leaning toward you being scum who knows you need just one more day to win, at this point, but I still want to hear more before I vote.

TCS, choices from last night? Fonz, any opinion on security clearances today?

Before anything, I want explanations from Venkman and Killajay of what the hell they were playing at.

[The Fonz]

My explanation. Stark comes on after daycycle begins and says he thinks we need to vote a no lynch so

he

can be healed. Sounds pretty scummy to me. Only mafia would want something like that. I really believe stark is scum because whose to say, if his objective is to survive to day 5, that he is not scum?

Sticking with stark

You misunderstand. I want to know why the pair of you quicklynched PWS with no explanation.

[The Fonz]

Stark, would you mind sharing with us the flavour justification for this ability you've claimed?

[The Fonz]

At this point, I feel I need to test something.

Citizen Flay, is your clearance level indigo?

[The Fonz]

Violet? Hmm, back to the drawing board.

[The Fonz]

I'd strongly prefer a Venkman lynch, on the grounds that Killajay's vote, I believe, was his first post on mafiascum. I dont' think we should give him a free pass on it, but it's not enough to lynch on alone. Whereas Venks shoulda known better than to hammer sans chance of claim. Plus, I was getting a generally bad kinda vibe offay him.

I remain convinced that Flay and TCS are town.

Vote: Peter Venkman

[The Fonz]

*sigh* So what was the theory, Fonz?

Names. Stevie claimed Violet, so i figured he was STE-V-IE-1. Mine is DA-G-EN-2, because G is the nearest letter to H out of those which represent clearance levels. I thought you'd be COG-I-TO-2.

[The Fonz]

vote: killajay

If he's town, his play is the reason we lose.

How so? Venkman's vote was far more crucial to the PWS quicklynch than Killajay's. I can see a newbie townie replacing in, and immediately voting the person they find scummiest/going along with an apparent consensus. I cannot see a non-noob player like Venks, if town, quickhammering without giving the opportunity to claim.

[The Fonz]

Peter- I believe you said you have claimed, but I cannot find it. Can you please re-iterate?

Killajay, Venkman could put his vote on you at any point now and cause your death. Please claim.

[The Fonz]

ok, the reason i am speed voting is i am still new at this game. Venkman mainly seems suspicious to me bc he is not a n00b and was quick to lynch PWS. I am guilty of voting PWS but i am a n00b

Please tell us what your role is.

[The Fonz]

Venkman is lying.

[The Fonz]

Hammering is the final vote for someone's lynch. Earlier, I was in a position to do so to you. I did not.

The Fonz said little about my behavior earlier and voted on me. Now, when I was in the position to be the final lynch vote on you, he has decided to call me a liar. Who in this game has information about other players?

The Fonz, unless you justify yourself I will be forced to vote on you. For now, I am assuming you are trying to figure out clearance levels and still making guesses. I have not lied, and you still have given no reason why you think so.

-Peter

I want a

full

claim off of killajay before I say why I think you are lying, including whether or not he is a mutant and any secret society affiliations he may have. Revealing will require me to full-claim.

[The Fonz]

Peter- I have certainly NOT alluded to a power role. I claim vanilla townie. I waited until you and Jay had posted, so my information didn't give away what the townie role looks like

until after you'd committed to a claim

.

Right. This is why I think you're lying. I myself am a vanilla townie

in effect

. I am a mutant, and a member of a secret society. I have a mutant power, but it is bastard modded such that it is of no use to man nor beast. It is my belief, having seen TCS' predecessor's claim, that all town roles are, in fact, both mutants and in secret societies, and there are no vanilla townies

per se

, just players with weak or useless mutations- this would fit the flavour, since all player characters are mutants. This is why I was so damn suspicious of PWS- if his PM was in the same format as mine and he was a townie, he'd have known he could have given the information requested without giving up ANY role information. That he didn't know this suggested powerrole or scum. This is also why I was particularly pissed off at Venks for the quickhammer.

[The Fonz]

EBWOP:this would fit the flavour, since all player characters

in the game

are mutants.

[The Fonz]

Regeneration. Only works if I get nked AS WELL AS lynched.

[The Fonz]

Am I to take it you redirected any action KJ performed on Stark onto himself?

[The Fonz]

Do the rules state that everyone has a mutant power? 'Cause Venkman and Killajay both denied it, and the former didn't come up enemy of the computer.

I am sure TCS is town. I think Flay likely is. I am planning to vote CO today.

[The Fonz]

You. Sorry, mistyped.

[The Fonz]

Bah, and I'm guessing you have an explanation?

Killajay did not NK last night. I trust TCS, and am more inclined to trust Flay than you. Therefore, it follows that you likely performed the NK.

Vote: Chaotic Diablo

[The Fonz]

Yes, that's right, Flay, there's so little reason to vote for the guy who's barely registered on my radar for good or ill, all game, over the guy who has consistently given me the impression that he's viewing the game from a similar perspective to mine, (see your replacing in and appearing to spot the same kinda thing in PWS as I did, amongst others). I could be wrong. But I believe TCS, therefore Killajay did not NK, and I find your claim stronger, and your general play townier, than CD's. Hence, the vote.

[The Fonz]

I don't see any case on me...

[The Fonz]

I will definitely not vote anyone but CD or Flay today, since I believe TCS and therefore killajay was not last night's killer. I've set out my reasons for believing Flay over Diablo. The one thing that concerns me is that Flay's claim fits in SO nicely with my own.

Flay, is there anything in the wording of your PM that you think might hint at the ineffectiveness of your power?

[The Fonz]

That confuses me. If both killa and CD were scum, why did they not win when flay was lynched? That puts it at 2-2, there should have been no need to go to night. But it can't be the case that only one is, since then there'd be two town alive and the game would still be going?

[The Fonz]

What did TCS do the last night?

[The Fonz]

The Fonz-->TCS-->The Fonz (if you were to choose him for a nightaction, it would be redirected to you)

I'll get everyone's choices up tonight as well when I'm at the PC that has them all.

TCS thought

I

was scum!?

[The Fonz]

My thinking there was that your refusal to reveal security clearance/society membership etc made you likely scum, since I knew that that information in my own PM was not game-relevant. Since you didn't appear to know that, my impression was that you were scum who didn't know that the town society memberships, etc, were unrelated to role (since the scum ones undoubtedly were role-related, the society being communists and all).