Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Sir Tornado]

/confirm

[Sir Tornado]

Vote TheNinthLayer

for being ignorant about gravity.

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

Vote SSF

Voting by dice is bad. It doesn't give any actual information.

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

Vote SSF

Voting by dice is bad. It doesn't give any actual information.

Considering the fact that I have started every game with an

identical

post, AFAICR, how is this scummy?

Well, it isn't scummy, actually. I voted you to drill it into you that random voting

using a dice

is bad (although since you do it every game, it is not scummy, especially for you)

The logic behind dice voting being bad is, that if you random vote without a dice, all we know that it is an apparent random vote, which may, or may not indeed be random. That is information. However, when you vote using a dice, we

know

why you voted so and so player. You did it because the dice told you to. It doesn't give the town any information.

For more details, read the first couple of pages of newbie 476 where mith explains this in a much better way.

[Sir Tornado]

And, hoping you get what I mean, I shall

unvote

and

Vote: TheNinthLayer

, for failing at Gravity.

[Sir Tornado]

Interesting that you get on SSF's case for dice voting but don't even mention me. Trying to distance from your scumbuddy early?

That vote was to make a point, not to necessarily call SSF scummy due to his rolling dice (I did say so when I unvoted).

I wanted to get it across to SSF that using dice to start the game is not a very good idea. The vote on him was to draw his attention to it, because I have found that people pay more attention to what you are saying if you vote them.

Calling that "distancing" from SSF was a bit strange MoS. Why the heck would I specifically say that what he did was not scummy in my next post if I was trying to distance from him?

[Sir Tornado]

I'll unvote my random vote when the votee (NinthLayer) shows up.

Spider Jerusalem clearly wins the thread.

[Sir Tornado]

Distancing does not require you to call one scummy. The fact that you are addressing him and questioning his actions is enough. My point is, my vote after your vote on SSF clearly showed that I had not read your post (because I never read the thread before I do my dice vote, I've even done it upon replacing into a large game before). However, you did not even mention me or address my actions, instead focusing your questioning/comments on SSF.

So, by your logic, if I say Person A is town, but still ask him why he's done something, it is distancing? Because, technically, in doing so, I am:

1) Not calling him scummy
2) Addressing him
3) Questioning his actions

[Sir Tornado]

It's not distancing in and of itself, though. But it is possible distancing when you take the above action and completely ignore someone who did the exact same thing you were questioning person A about.

So, you want me to give the same ICish gameplay advice to everyone in the same game like a broken record player?

[Sir Tornado]

You're strawmanning, SirT. This behavior was not exhibited by everyone in the game. I'm saying that it looks weird for you to question one person and completely ignore the other person. At the very least, I would expect you to say something like "this goes for you, too, MoS".

How am I strawmanning?

Please note, that you used the dice

after

I voted SSF. When I unvoted SSF, I explained to him why I voted him in the first place.

Well, it isn't scummy, actually. I voted you to drill it into you that random voting using a dice is bad (although since you do it every game, it is not scummy, especially for you)

The logic behind dice voting being bad is, that if you random vote without a dice, all we know that it is an apparent random vote, which may, or may not indeed be random. That is information. However, when you vote using a dice, we know why you voted so and so player. You did it because the dice told you to. It doesn't give the town any information.

For more details, read the first couple of pages of newbie 476 where mith explains this in a much better way.

That was my post after you dice voted. In the first paragraph, I explain to SSF why I voted him.

In the second, I explained why dice voting is bad

In the third, I referenced another game where this is explained much better.

By my interpretation, the second and third paragraphs weren't only directed towards SSF. It was explaining my stance on why dice voting is bad, which should be, read by everyone, not only by SSF. Your argument that I should have written "This goes to MoS too" is ridiculous.

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

[Sir Tornado]

Ok guys, my exams are not over. Posting soon.

[Sir Tornado]

EBWOP:

I meant to say my exams are

not

no

w

over...