Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED
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Hello to you all! Reading the posts up to this point; will post again once I have!PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Thank you, thank you! Nickname "pink one" is ftw, made me feel welcome, which doesn't happen often in replacing games, it seems.Elmo wrote:Greetings, pink one. Cheers for replacing!
Anyway, I have read all zee posts and cripes, this is not an easy game. In the interest of heating things up, here are my general opinions on a few people.
Faerie: Unsure if he is scum or not. (Yay! Correct pronoun!) I don't like this method of posting (lots of small posts without much content) and I don't like some of the things he's said...but is he scummy or just a PITA?
MoS: A bit gung-ho and someone who tends to draw attention to himself easily by inserting quips that don't help anything here and there. However, I do feel he's given us some good logic...and wishing that his logic came in a prettier package doesn't make him scum. Some of his words FEEL scummy, but I have no real proof yet.
One thing that really stood out to me, though, was this:
Even if this is something he does in all games (which I'm not going to check; I dislike using meta data in games because it often clouds the current game...everyone changes) I don't like it one bit. Why not share your reasons for your votes? How does it help the town to be completely in the dark about what you do? Part of how townies NEED to play mafia is to use their heads and work together. I fail to see how voting behind a curtain does either.Thin_Man wrote:I don't explain the reasons behind my votes, sorry.
FoS: Thin_ManPokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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I consider myself warned...but so far, your posts have not come off as quite snarky enough for me to dislike that from you. That said, I didn't say I trusted you, eitherskitzer wrote:Mizzy: Be warned, I do a lot of little posts as well. I'm not an explanative type.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Well, this is definitely not an easy game, by any means. I can offer my insights, if asked. Not much has happened in this game as of yet...a whole lot of speculation and arguing and not much actual progress.Miztef wrote:Welcome Mizzy. Nothing much else happening. Mizzy's evaluation was quite bland, nothing of too much interest. I guess more waiting is to be had.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Glad to be of assistance! Now, where's my medal?somestrangeflea wrote:Welcome Mizzy! You've made a possible suggestion for a nickname for Miztef completely pointless, just by existing! Congratulations!PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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What do I think of the character, or what do I think of him pre- or post-replacement? WHICH, I ASK YOU?Elmo wrote:Mizzy: What do you feel about Spider Jerusalem?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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Ah, okay! Well, he seemed like he was genuinely trying to be helpful and just had his foot in his mouth a couple times in regards to not being clear enough. His distaste of a no-lynch struck me as pro-town, though I think we was reading into some things a bit too deeply at the same time.Elmo wrote:If I understand the question, pre-replacement.
His statements seem good but are not worded very well, and they didn't really have enough definitive opinion in them for me to get a really good read on him pre-replacement.
In general, I think he had some good general ideas but they were too wishy-washy to really make any difference. He did not come off as scum to me, but he also didn't come off as overly pro-town. Granted, if you are pro-town, that's the best way to be (as to not waste power role uses) but that's WIFOM and just a thought process I had.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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*Pats your avatar on the head in greeting* :3Rishi wrote:Hi folks. Will do a read in the next 24 hours or so.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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But I have a weakness for cute, fluffy things. I have to pet them T_TPhate wrote:I'd like to remind you all that we're not here to make friends or hold grudges. We're here to win the game. The Mafia are staging a brutal takeover of the town, systematically butchering its inhabitants. We're a bloodthirsty lynch mob, seeking revenge for the deaths of our neighbors by pre-emptively murdering one among us every day. There's no reason to be an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole (unless you get a perverse glee from it, likely related to repressed feelings of inadequacy, like I do). There is equally no reason to be pleasant just for the sake of being pleasant. Anyone touting a cup of tea and a "Howdy, neighbor!" could just as easily (if not more easily) be scum trying to get you to like them (or worse: connect the two of you in the rest of the town's mind), as opposed to an innocent townie. Don't fall for the trick of letting an older player (even if it's me) pat you on the head and tell you, "Good job." That's what we call appeal to emotion, and should always and immediately be viewed with suspicion. Basically, anytime anyone does anything, think about what their motive is. Personally, I automatically distrust people who post nice things about me without backing up those nice things with evidence and logic.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Oh I suppose I can give you some head-pettin's. *Pets kitten*Mastermind of Sin wrote:B-b-but...what about me? *cries*PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Awwwwwr :3 *Melts*Mastermind of Sin wrote:
*purrs* ^.^Mizzy wrote:
Oh I suppose I can give you some head-pettin's. *Pets kitten*Mastermind of Sin wrote:B-b-but...what about me? *cries*PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Anything else from anyone? There's scum out there...can we, you know, find em now?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Hrm... *goes back and re-reads it a couple times.*Elmo wrote:Hm. Mizzy, do you see anything interesting about post 456?
Well, honestly, the first time I read it when he posted it, I glossed over it because it didn't seem like it held anything at all. I do see something when I re-read it but I can't tell if it's because I'm looking for something or if it's something I missed and is actually there.Miztef wrote:Is this directed towards me? or SJ again?
Phate, from the start of the game, has been disconcerting at best. There have been times when we, as a town, have been close to lynching him (it's hard to tell how close, but I'd say 2 more people convinced at a good moment and he would be 6 feet under).
It's hard to tell if scum have driven accusations towards him, or kept him alive. At this time, the evidence against him is not so great, and I think it would require a great deal of case presentation and solid evidence finds to actually get phate lynched.
I would, however, be fine with going after phate at this time if there was a backing for this motion. More so then Elmo or FaerieLord at least.
What I find interesting is this:
Just because someone is close to being lynched doesn't mean it's a good lynch.Miztef wrote:There have been times when we, as a town, have been close to lynching him (it's hard to tell how close, but I'd say 2 more people convinced at a good moment and he would be 6 feet under).
Why would you want him lynched when the evidence hasn't been very good? Why would you mention how close he has been to being lynched when also at the same time think it would be impossible or at least really hard to get him lynched?Miztef wrote:At this time, the evidence against him is not so great, and I think it would require a great deal of case presentation and solid evidence finds to actually get phate lynched.
Why would you back a lynch wagon with little-to-no solid evidence?Miztef wrote:I would, however, be fine with going after phate at this time if there was a backing for this motion.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Like I said, I'm not sure if I see it now because I was directed to it or because it's there to see and I missed it the first time.Elmo wrote:Bingo.
For now, I'll also point out the wording "a good moment" and the fact his primary criteria for lynching someone appears to be what other people think, rather than their likelihood of being scum.
Rishi, I'll get back to you on skitzer, like.
@All:Thoughts?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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spurgistan:Who do you currently feel is scummiest or who is at least worth prodding for more information?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Well, honestly, I didn't attack you, nor did I vote/fos you. I simply answered a question someone had asked me.Miztef wrote:If you honestly want to make a wagon against me, can you give me more evidence to defend against, I don't particularly like just being attacked.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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That bothers me, too, if only because I didn't see enough scumvibes in Miztef's post to FoS or vote him and I'm wondering what other people "see" in it. What I saw was evidence of an indecisive player...and whether or not that's a scumtell is too WIFOM to touch with a 10 foot pole.Mastermind of Sin wrote:This raises my eyebrows somewhat. Not because Mizzy is wrong, but because of how correct she is. Elmo asked her to analyze Miztef's post, and then people used her reasoning as a springboard for their votes. It puts the responsibility on Mizzy and not themselves, because they can always say they were "convinced" by Mizzy. The implications of this possibility don't make me happy, because Mizzy's logic isn't bad either, so I don't know how to differentiate between scum and people who genuinely believe Miztef is scum.
I don't like Miztef's wagon...if only because there's no solid evidence against him in my opinion, there's only some raised questions.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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SSF:Patience is obviously not one of your virtues. Why the overwhelming need for night, hmm? Mafia games take a long time on these forums. 21 pages never hurt anyone, cripes.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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And this is one of the hardest plots for a mini theme that I have seen. We have to be extremely careful, and we still don't have a plan for what happens when a mafia we find inevitably screams power role. This is not going to be a fast or an easy or a short game.somestrangeflea wrote:
I dislike it when games get over 20 pages... 10 pages seems fair for a Mini day. 15 pages is a bit dragging. My views aren't related to this game, it's justMizzy wrote:SSF:Patience is obviously not one of your virtues. Why the overwhelming need for night, hmm? Mafia games take a long time on these forums. 21 pages never hurt anyone, cripes..21 PAGESPokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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KITTY! *pets*Elmo wrote:or me ;o
Anyway, I do think we need some participation in here, but I'm hesitant because it seems kind of futile, too.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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It's hard to vote for people who aren't saying squat.Elmo wrote:
I'm not entirely surprised that we're getting nowhere when half the game isn't voting for anyone - that chain of unvotes was not very clever. (I don't necessarily mean votes for Miztif, butShanba wrote:Vote Count:
Not voting: skitzer, Sir Tornado, Mizzy, MoS, Miztef, spurgistansomethingis helpful.)PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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Sorry, Shanba, this is a hard as hell game, and I'm feeling a bit of...ennui? Is that the right word? It just feels like the moment we get close to a lynch, someone'll scream Trium and we'll be stuck.
Watch me get shot for saying this, but maybe we should have a "safe" lynch volunteer so that we can switch to night, allowing the power roles to be used? A cop-like verdict would help us so much right about now.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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@Phate:Thanks for responding...yes, I agree. A random lynch would be better...if we get enough people to vote to even lynch at all.
I think I'll go back and re-read more, also...might have missed something.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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I doubt that scum are going to actually follow through on that, especially if asked to investigate another scummer. They could give false information just to not out their buddy and make another townie look like scum, mm?Elmo wrote:I also think we should discuss what to do about the cop power, whether whoever gets it should investigate whoever they want, or whether we should nominate someone to be investigated.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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Cripes...do we REALLY need to make this that much more difficult than it actually is?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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Well, don't everybody crowd in to put your vote lists!
MoS>SSF=Cephrir=Miztef
Watch me get railroaded for being first.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Been hypocritical and then adding only that he has been hypocritical to the game. That = = = group is really just those types.Elmo wrote:Mizzy: What has Cephrir done to catch your eye?
I'll write out a full list so everyone can see...I only did a small onePokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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MoS>somestrangeflea=Cephrir=Miztef>skitzer=Phate=Thin_Man=Sir Tornado=spurgistan>Rishi>Elmo>MizzyPokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Not everyone has submitted their vote lists, thoughsomestrangeflea wrote:So, according to the calculator, using the slips received so far, MoS is getting deaded.
Vote: MoS
I'll move along with the results of the voting if anyone else bothers to vote...PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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I'd rather have a few more people at least give their lists and have them run through the program to see who wins the lynch, though...somestrangeflea wrote:It's been two days. Everyone rushed back to post when I suggested prodding them, so they're clearly still active. I'm not holding my breath waiting for them.
So guys, please participate? If not, ask for replacement, but don't sit on your asses.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Mind if I ask why not? We could use a fresh perspective, not rehashes on our own.TrustGossip wrote:Hi everyone!
I amnotgoing to catch up on the thread. Please give your opinions on the current consensus.
Thank you!
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Anyone else have votes to put in?
We have:
Miztef:Mastermind of Sin>phate>Thin_Man>somestrangeflea=Rishi=Cephrir=skitzer=spurgistan=Sir Tornado>Elmo>Mizzy>Miztef
Phate:Miztef>Mastermind of Sin>Cephrir>Thin_Man>Spurgistan>Rishi>SSF=skitzer=Sir Tornado>Mizzy>Elmo>Phate
skitzer:Thin_Man>Miztef>Cephrir>Spurgistan=Phate=Rishi>others>Mizzy=somestrangeflea>skitzer
Mizzy:Mastermind of Sin>somestrangeflea=Cephrir=Miztef>skitzer=Phate=Thin_Man=Sir Tornado=spurgistan>Rishi>Elmo>Mizzy
Cephrir:skitzer=Phate>Miztef>spurgistan=Thin_Man=MoS=Rishi=somestrangeflea>Sir Tornado=Mizzy>Elmo>No Lynch>Cephrir
Elmo:Mastermind of Sin>Miztef>Thin_Man>somestrangeflea=skitzer>Cephrir=phate=Sir Tornado>Mizzy=Rishi=spurgistan>Elmo
SSF:Phate=Cephrir=Thin_Man=Elmo=Mastermind of Sin=skitzer=miztef=spurgistan=Sir Tornado>Rishi>MizzyPokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Well, as for why he's first on my list, I will admit it's mostly due to the fact that we need a "proper" lynch and since he's going to be less active and had previously scummy vibes, so he's been an acceptable lynch to me until a better scum candidate shows up.
I'm more than willing to move MoS down my list...I'm starting to feel increasingly uncomfortable with the lynch of him, but I am having a hard time finding a better target. Participation in this game is kind of low at the moment, and without participation, scum hunting isn't easy or very fun.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
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Mafia don't always lynch who is "most townie" though. They mostly choose whoever is safest to lynch, so if the person who is "most townie" would also link a scum to them, their death would harm the mafia more than help.Rishi wrote:I second this sentiment. I've always found that listmaking has been more helpful for the Mafia than for the town. It helps them decide on who to kill at night (whoever turns up the most townie) and helps them decide who to push to lynch the next day (people towards the top of the list only need a nudge).
I don't think Elmo is scum. I think it was a genuine attempt to get the day to end, but I'm not participating in this arrangement.
I thought the list was a good idea, and I don't know if it's detrimental because we all make similar lists when we mention how we feel about who. I can see arguments both for and against it, though I'd want to discuss the target we all chose BEFORE a lynch happened. I dislike that SSF voted so quickly.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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It's a bit of a catch, though, because if a pro-town ISN'T forthright at all times, and someone else finds out, they're as good as dead. So it's an interesting line to walk.Rishi wrote:As you said, there are arguments for and against it. I think it can be helpful in a smaller game, or on a later day, but on Day 1 with twelve players? It's just rampant speculation.
I think it's a fallacy that pro-town players need to be forthright at all times. Sometimes, it's harmful to let scum know that you're on to them, especially when you think someone is scum, but don't have enough to build a case.
I don't like that SSF voted so quickly, but I've played with him before. This is not unusual behavior for him.
Another reason I was okay with the list idea was that even though scum can find out information from them, so can town. We have a record, for D2 and beyond, of those lists.
In other news, I'm not up for an MoS lynch and would much, much rather find a scummier target. I'm going to attempt to re-read some things, but I'll be honest in that my attention span is not what it should be and it might not be an easy thing for me to do.
Does anyone have any suggestions?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Actually, I was yelling at SSF for his whining about the game and mentioned that the game is going to be a difficult one...difficult is not a bad thing. Contrary to your words here, I HAVE done a fair amount of scumhunting, and the difficulty of the game is not what's holding me back but rather a lack of participation by others. You can't scumhunt when no one else is.TrustGossip wrote:Mizzy: Very uncomfortable with some of your low content posts. There are far too many that state in no uncertain terms that this game is "really hard" and this is justification of why you are unable to scumhunt properly or so forth. "The game is hard" is an illusion. I realize this setup is unconventional but that should not be a mental block against the basic way to play the game, which is to find scum and destroy them.
The only thing that bothers me about the difficulty of the set-up is the inevitable power claims the scum will make when we do find one, which means we won't be able to lynch them confidently by any stretch of the imagination.
As for the difficulty being an "illusion," it's anything but. What do YOU propose we do if a lynchee screams power role? Kill them anyway and potentially screw the town in more than one way?
Scumhunting is not hard when you have participation...but routing scum inthisenvironment is going to be a touchy, scary thing. I'm a cautious player, and I don't do touchy-scary very well.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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But none of our suspects have THAT much evidence against them. If you take the game as it is now, in the whole, then there isn't much in the way of consistent anti-town play/reasonings and counter-intuitive logic.TrustGossip wrote:Well it's kind of simple if you get your head out of the ground.
If they have been put on the lynchee podium for consistent anti-town play/reasonings and counter-intuitive logic, then we lynch them regardless. Overthinking the "what if" scenario and wringing your hands over it is obsfucating the matter at hand.
Once we get over the lynch hump, I think we'll be okay...a night of power roles going to town (pun semi-intended) would really really help. If..of course...they go to town. Ugh ><PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Condorcet voting still requires us to vote in the traditional method. You can still get hammers, and quite a bit of development in the order of those votes. You still find out the true alignment of that person, which going back through D1 banter would still give you a fair amount of insight.TrustGossip wrote:Condorcet gives the impression of transparency when it really isn't. Say a large majority of people have MoS high on their voting lists. We carry out the "honorable deed" and MoS is strung up and turns up town. How do we carry out the Day 2 review when Condorcet has basically set up a "group headnod"? Voting order is out the window, the hammer is out the window. Where is the foothold for post-lynch analysis?
Just because any one of us thinks than an idea or method is good or bad does not make the person who had the idea inherently town or scum. It also doesn't reflect on the alignment of anyone who agrees or disagrees with the idea or method. In a nutshell, you thinking Miz had a bad idea is perfectly fine, but that doesn't make him auto-scum and you auto-town. We're all entitled to offer out ideas to further the game, and stifling that just because you happen to think that the ideas were bad isn't helping, either.
I can see where you're coming from, but your cut-and-dry method of "my opinion is right and anyone who disagrees is clearly scum" is too tunnel-visioned. The game is not a series of strict if-then statements.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Yes, I do see.TrustGossip wrote:
This is the problem I have with Miztef's support of condorcet, Mizzy.Miztef wrote:We are doing the list voting in order come up with a fair and reasonable lynch.No one wants to "take the plunge" today and risk killing a trium by a hammer.If we abide by the rules of condorcet voting, a fair candidate will be lynched, one that is most agreed upon by the entire town.
SSF has been the most questionable in my eyes thus far and this from him really, really gets to me:
Voting for someone before all the vote strings were in, and voting without discussion really bothers me. It also bothers me that he makes his actions out to be honorable. Voting an unconfirmed "winner" without talk first and giving the impression he thought we would all do the same...grr. I don't like it.somestrangeflea wrote:No, I'm voting for him because Condorcet results don't generate their own votes. In taking part in the vote, I agreed that I would support the resulting lynch. I call it honour.
MoS has done a couple small scummy things, but in general, he's just quiet. He was on top of my list because I would have felt the least guilt for his lynch...which is not how I should be playing the game. I should vote for who I think is the scummiest.
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Well, we DO need a lynch, and he IS my #2. I'm trying to be less wishywashy, damn it.Miztef wrote:SSF seemed to have a similar impression, although took it too far in voting before all the info was in. I agree with mizzy in that regard. Not sure it constitutes a vote though, as my first impression when I saw mizzy's vote was opportunistic after MoS's suggestion.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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AND we would lose his kitty avatar...Rishi wrote:This is why I don't support an MoS lynch. Yes, MoS is dangerous if he's scum, but if he's town (which is 75% likely), he's a huge asset to lose.
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Oh yeah, did I hear something about you getting Glork's avi?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Actually it's a cake avatar, at least for the next month. But if you keep me alive for a month, the kitty can return!PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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No, I think that's just you, especially since my number one candidate was, if you look at my old vote chain, not someone I thought was scum. There's more than one scum in the game, you know, so why should having a second choice be a bad thing?somestrangeflea wrote:
Is it just me, or is there something inherently flawed with wanting the lynch of your #2 lynch candidate?Mizzy wrote:Well, we DO need a lynch, and he IS my #2.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Did the part where we don't have 10 mafia in this game ever occur to you?TrustGossip wrote:I would like to say a big LOL that the most recent conversations have basically illuminated my point that condorcet lists are anti-town.
No-one has really been truthful with them, all they serve as are tools to manipulate collective opinion.
Minor FOS: Everyone except Rishi and MoS
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Actually, yes it has. I said I'd be perfectly happy to vote for a good scum candidate, but none had really showed itself. My hesitancy was not JUST because of the game set-up but also because of a lack of a target.TrustGossip wrote:Did it ever occur to you that constant anxiety over the setup and the mechanics of triumvirates could possibly cause this game to become a cesspool of stagnation that is the perfect ecological niche for scum?
With how little participation we had, at the time, I thought the condorcet voting was better than a deadline lynch and a no-lynch. Lesser of evils. If my opinion is not correct in your eyes, it does not make me scum. It just means that we have conflicting opinions.TrustGossip wrote:1. Agreeing to condorcet voting.On the surface this seems to be a mechanistic way to find some way to end the day. In reality this is like discussing your country's counterintelligence program while knowing that spies are in your midst.
Or, it could be that not all of us were voting for scum and were voting for lurkers, instead. But that doesn't mean the lists were falsified. My list was honest...I had someone I felt was lurking too much in slot A and possible scum in slot B...but I wasn't sure enough of the scum candidate to lynch him at that point.TrustGossip wrote:2. Falsifying condorcet results. There are two reasons why someone would do this. Either they would like to appease the restrictions of condorcet methodology and they have a tenuous grasp of who they are suspicious of, or they are intentionally misrepresenting suspicion in order to manipulate possible voting.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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[joke] Hey as long as it leads to profit, I don't mind losing just this one. [/joke]Elmo wrote:EBWOP: What I am concerned about is the following:
1. Someone looks scummy and is placed at l-1.
2. They claim trium.
3. A scumbag comes online before anyone unvotes, and knows they must be telling the truth, and hammers.
4. We lose all the power roles in exchange for lynching one scumbag the next day.
5. We lose.
6. ???
7. Profit!
Anyway, I feel that claims should not be completely irrelevant because there's a possibility that one could be right.
There is, though, the added bonus that the mafia wouldn't get the powers.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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This from the person whining for me to get over my queasiness about the lynching thing.TrustGossip wrote: I don't think the above should hold any weight in anyone's mind, especially because the tradeoff would be the permanent loss of a town power.
Also:
Why are we talking about the setup again? Is this the standard backup topic to post about when one is being indecisive and cannot come up with anything helpful?
It would be awesome if you kept to scumhunting and dropped the whole "talking about set-up" thing. We can talk about what we feel we need to, and stifling conversation isn't a good thing to do if the conversation is game-related.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Well, roleblocker they could use. And would a cop result tell role or just alignment?Elmo wrote:Powers are useless to the mafia. So blah to that.
TrustGossip: I really dislike thin_man's FL vote, discuss!
Also, the more important question: why can't I be an unlimited non-day-ending dayvig? Just once?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Well, that's good then! Keeps them from finding PRs and keeps them from using the roles effectively...all it would do then is keep a townie from using them.Elmo wrote:Mizzy: I asked the mod a while ago, the cop results only reveals alignment. They could use the RB, yes, I suppose. (Odds of it actually stopping cop/doc tonight with town lynch are 2/10 * 3/11 = ~5%, fyi)
Miztef needs to post more, IMO. I also am waiting on SSF to return with some of those promised thoughts of his.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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That bothers me too, that they would respond to a PM but not do so in the thread. Out of all of the lurkers, Thin_man bothers me the most.TrustGossip wrote:What makes me especially uneasy is that according to Mod, all inactive players have picked up their prods.
The last time Thin_Man posted in our game was Sun Dec 30, 2007, post number 428 where he said:
Since, he's posted 3 times in Mafia Discussion and nowhere else, back on the 2nd and third of January. He has not posted since, but yet he picked up his prod? He should either be replaced or disposed of. I HATE it when people say they'll play and then don't.Thin_Man wrote:I don't explain the reasons behind my votes, sorry.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Or the lurker who has given the least content to the game...but yes, if I can't get a scumlynch, I'll settle for a lurker lynch, I suppose.Rishi wrote:I am posting, but little to say.
If we are at a stalemate, then lynch all lurkers is a good policy. It'll make Day 2 go better at least. Just lynch the person who hasn't posted in the thread for the longest period.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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MoS DID at least give us some warning about his decreased activity and he IS trying when he can...I'd be more inclined to a Miz (the other Miz) lurkerlynch.Elmo wrote:I feel the need to QFT the entirety of TrustGossip's last post. Lurking really hurts the town, guys.
I rather like the idea of lynching lurkers.. I'll give it some more thought, I have a couple other people in mind (MoS / Miztif).PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Wow, defensive much? I didn't vote you, FoS you, or anything...I ONLY expressed a preference between the two people Elmo mentioned. If you had bothered to read it, I already expressed a very very high interest in lurkerlynching Thin_Man...but of course, I don't think you actually noticed it.Miztef wrote:This is horribly upsurd that your conclusion is to lynch me as the lurker vote. So much so that I feel the need tovote: Mizzyat this time. I can't see how a town player could make such a claim and see it as a pro-town act.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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*Takes the cookie* Thanks! Now can you explain how I misinterpreted things? I'm still learning, here.TrustGossip wrote:Also, props to Mizzy!
You again misinterpreted what's going on but in this case it provoked a very informative reaction!
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I bolded the important part for you, where Elmo mentioned two specific names:Miztef wrote:Mizzy: you say you "only" expressed a difference between me and MoS...
To me, you clearly implied me as the lurkerlynch. You also implied my lurkiness is worse because MoS warned of decreased activity. I did see that you wanted thin_man lurkerlynched, and that's why it shocked me even more when you implied I was the best lurkerlynch.Mizzy wrote:
MoS DID at least give us some warning about his decreased activity and he IS trying when he can...Elmo wrote:I feel the need to QFT the entirety of TrustGossip's last post. Lurking really hurts the town, guys.
I rather like the idea of lynching lurkers.. I'll give it some more thought, I have a couple other people in mind(MoS / Miztif).I'd be more inclinedto a Miz (the other Miz) lurkerlynch.(MoS / Miztif)and I replied with my post talking about ONLY those two names. I said, about you, that I'd be more inclined to a Miztef lynch because out of those two names, you would be the person I'd rather see lynched. I didn't say I'd be more inclined to see you lynched overall, just out of those two names. Perhaps I should have been clearer, but I didn't see the need to be.
I didn't say you were the "worst" lurker...I already had said who I thought was. Calm down, boy! As for being sick of attacks, that's kind of how the game is, isn't it?Miztef wrote:...how do you logically conclude I'm the worst lurker when there are so many that, in the lurker sense, are hugely worse. God, I don't even care if you lynch me anymore, I'm sick of all these attacks against me. People just seem to decide I'm the most scummy.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Oh cripes, do I HAVE to? The last time you asked me specifically to analyze someone, same person to I think though I'd have to check, everyone was all, "YEAH! Let's kill him!"Elmo wrote:Mizzy: Please analyse posts 651 and 661 in detail and give an opinion of Miztif?
I should probably say that I'm all in favour of random accusations, even if they're totally wrong. That is kind of what day 1 mostly consists of for a while, I think.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Well there's a difference between addressing you directly and giving a full analysis on posts of yours. I did that once before when Elmo asked and I really didn't like the outcome.Miztef wrote:@mizzy: It's amusing that you don't want to analyze me, yet the post just before was exclusively about me.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
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Fun with text editing!Phate wrote:When logical players use crap logic,it's notable enough for me to post for. Also, the likelihood of my posting increases as we near the weekend. Also,I don't like him.
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