Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Cephrir]

Initial thoughts:
Most of the players in this game are pretty much useless.
Of those that it is possible to get a read on, I have to agree with much of what's being posted right now. Phate is likely scum, and I can definitely see Miztef as a scumbuddy. If I had to pick the scum right now, I'd say them and one of the lurkers. Flyinghawk and MoS seem town, neutral on Elmo. FL makes decent posts, but he's extremely reactive and answers other people's points rather than making points of his own. Not sure if this is a playstyle thing or not. There was one post from YuanTi that I really didn't like as it effectively said "let's banter randomly until somebody screws up, then we can all jump on them". Other than that, I don't really have a read on anyone else.

FoS: Phate; Miztef

[Cephrir]

I just entered the game, I can't qualify as useless. I'm talking about people who lurk continuously and never give opinions (skitzer, for example). I'm giving opinions, and the fact that I'm not necessarily supporting them with clear evidence in my post doesn't mean anything. Maybe I agree with what's already been said; maybe I'd rather keep my reasons to myself; maybe I don't feel like posting them. You don't know why I didn't, so don't jump to conclusions. Not having reads

on people who never post

doesn't make me useless, it makes them useless. I really don't see how there was anything wrong with SJ either, and if you think you can judge how I'm going to play this game based on my one post, you're wrong.

[Cephrir]

Huh. I was under the impression that most people thought SJ was town-ish.

[Cephrir]

Oh, and btw: Consider me an official supporter of the MoS wagon (not that two votes are much of a wagon). In fact, just to get it in bold:

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

That said, I think Miztef is almost as scummy, for different reasons, and would be an official supporter of that wagon also.

Don't like this post at all. I've already FoSed you though, so that would be redundant.

[Cephrir]

It also just so happens that SJ can't defend himself.

[Cephrir]

I'm not "trying to clear myself". I just can't be expected to answer for him, as I don't know his thinking, etc., etc. But I mean, attacking SJ at this point serves little purpose.

[Cephrir]

Well, if we have exactly six vanilla claimers, we'd be better off nolynching.

[Cephrir]

Six vanilla claimers means all scum have claimed trium.

[Cephrir]

I agree as well.

[Cephrir]

I'd say analyzing the pros/cons thouroghly inthread and basically handing the mafia their best strategy isn't a good idea, simply because it doesn't do anything for the town. If everyone wants to individually figure out what the mafia should do, great, but there's not much point.

Basically, I agree with SSF.

[Cephrir]

As much as I don't like encrypted claims, I think it may be the correct play here.

[Cephrir]

Has anyone not given their opinion at this point?

[Cephrir]

If I absolutely must give a one-word answer, then yes.

[Cephrir]

LA through Sunday, I probably won't have any access.

[Cephrir]

I'm back, and nothing has changed. Still not liking FL.

[Cephrir]

Vote: FL

Yes.

[Cephrir]

I looked back to see if I was voting for FL and discovered that I wasn't, so I did.

[Cephrir]

The obvious reason.

[Cephrir]

How about now?

[Cephrir]

Unvote, Vote skitzer

You have been so useless this game, it's not even funny. I haven't been much better, but at least I made a couple non-one-liner posts that weren't just rehashing things everyone else had already said.

[Cephrir]

I'd agree that that isn't particularly relevant.

[Cephrir]

[quote=Elmo]Cephrir: What do you think of skitzer's behaviour, and why is it scummy?[/quote]

He can argue that it's playstyle all he wants, but he has yet to contribute anything substantial to the game. Not helpful = scummy.

I'd be good with a Phate or skitzer lynch today, just for the record.

[Cephrir]

Prod not needed.

[Cephrir]

Ceph, remind me why you're voting skitzer.

Not contributing. I realize that it's hypocritical, but he's worse than I have been.

[Cephrir]

Why don't we all just make LoSes and lynch the winner (loser)?

[Cephrir]

Condorcet voting, maybe?

Sounds good.

I also think we should discuss what to do about the cop power, whether whoever gets it should investigate whoever they want, or whether we should nominate someone to be investigated.

Scum could kill the target to screw with us/effectively make us not get an investigation.

[Cephrir]

skitzer=Phate>Miztef>spurgistan=Thin_Man=MoS=Rishi=somestrangeflea>Sir Tornado=Mizzy>Elmo>No Lynch>Cephrir

[Cephrir]

In that case, and having thought about something a bit more, I'm going to change the first part of mine from skitzer=Phate>Miztef>... to Phate=Miztef>skitzer>..., so now it's

Phate=Miztef>skitzer>spurgistan=Thin_Man=MoS=Rishi=somestrangeflea>Sir Tornado=Mizzy>Elmo>No Lynch>Cephrir

[Cephrir]

I'll be honest about mine MoS, I only voted you first because I'm close to being picked and your also close, so even though I'm fairly neutral about you, I decided that it would be better you then me.

If people were really adamant about going after phate or some others, I would have voted that candidate first in an instant.

I don't like listmaking, because I think it gives the scum too much information.

But, based on this post, which strikes me as opportunistic (though I admire the honesty)...

Unvote, Vote: Miztef

I think Miztef and Phate are the only ones I would be willing to lynch. I do NOT like the MoS lynch at all.

(insert agreement here)

[Cephrir]

I will also admit I was part of the No lynch movement and Massclaim epoch. They were both interesting ideas in this situation, and although they both turned out to be unfavorable, I don't think the average scum would know exactly how to deal with each situation.

Hey, I forgot about that. Also, the rest of you argument after this point is largely irrelevant because you're missing the point. You were important in starting all three movements, all three of which benefit the scum. Every time you post, lately, I want to lynch you more.

Unvote, Vote Miztef

[Cephrir]

I really hate this Day 1 right now. A Phate lynch is a very good plan. I will have actual things to say Day 2, probably (assuming I make it that far).

[Cephrir]

(And seriously guys, go back and read Cephrir's posts. It's a short read.)

I did, actually, and yeah, it's pretty short. Thin_Man is worse, though, to me.

Thin_Man stopped posting as of December 30. In fact, his last post anywhere on the site is January 3. He is someone who obviously needs to be replaced (I think the mod is overloaded as is... so I'm sure he'll get around to it.)

Cephrir, on the other hand, is staying active but continuing not to say anything.

There's a HUGE difference between a lurker and someone who is no longer on the site. Disappearance is basically a null-tell. It happens to both townies and scum.

What I don't get is why people get on my case about this but not skitzer's.

I want the Miztef thing both ways for different reasons. The logical/good player half thinks we should definitely back off and explore other options if at all possible. But I know we've done that, and we've done it and done it and done it, and it's not working. Obviously nobody's going for Phate or MoS enough to get a sizeable wagon (on either of our other general semi-suspects, as in, at least a few people have expressed suspicions of them). We should probably make absolutely sure we get to use the powers at least once-- but that basically ensures all the scum claim trium and we are guaranteed to lynch a townie. Also, a little sidenote: is it just me, or did Miztef go into wall-of-words mode when he came under pressure? Weird.

The other half of my opinion is the one reflecting on this game right now, which is exasperated and really just wants to lynch someone, anyone, to get this awful day over with.

[Cephrir]

SECRET PLAN REVEALED!

OK, someone said it would be a good idea to lynch the player who last posted the longest time ago. So I said I agreed, intending someone to post to avoid lynch like the scummy scum they are.

So I observed, phate seemed to come out first, and as I read through the thread, another suspicion, Cephrir, also jumped out as well.

Vote: Cephrir

This may not make sense to you, but it does to me.

Yeah, I totally saw you say that and was like OMG I HAVE TO POST OR SKITZER WILL LYNCH ME!!!11!1

Except not.

[Cephrir]

Phate or skitzer would be good with me.

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure why people are voting for me for lurkerishness. Not only is skitzer lurking worse, he's also voting based on a ridiculously stupid theory. Although I'm not a fan of lurking as a scumtell at all, anyway.

Unvote, Vote Phate

, been wanting this lynch all day.

[Cephrir]

Skitzer being an awful lurker doesn't somehow excuse you; lurking is anti-town, regardless of what your alignment is.

For the second time, why do you want Phate lynched?

He's been giving me a scum vibe all day. See: my first post. I don't really care for his attitude towards lynching Miztef either, but that's not the important reason.

[Cephrir]

Um... what?

[Cephrir]

Well, there is a chance he'll die overnight and/or get investigated overnight. Investigating and protecting him is probably our best play, but if we don't get the doc power the scum probably still won't kill him, and if they do, that's fine as well.

[Cephrir]

So, I got the Cop power last Night, but I guess someone blocked me.

[Cephrir]

I feel somewhat horrible, but I think what I did was just my gut. If I were scum, there is no way I could have known cephrir would have had the cop power. But alas, I was roleblocker, and I choose cephrir.

That's okay, I deserved it and sort of expected it. For the record, you were my target, BTW.

[Cephrir]

Beep has a point. CES doesn't. I think MoS is exaggerating his defense a little ("I never pushed for massclaim" implies that he never even supported it to me), but he's still right.

[Cephrir]

I don't like this game. Seeing posts in it hurts. Unfortunately, though, I am here. skitzer, that "plan" is and was ridiculous, by the way.

[Cephrir]

ABANDON.