Open 60: The New C9 - Game over!

[LoudmouthLee]

Perfection obviously did not exist here.

I'm gonna read this now, and do a PBPA while I read. Please forgive me if I hit on points that have already been fleshed out or whatnot.

Please forgive me if I'm a little rusty. We'll see how this shakes.

[LoudmouthLee]

Just a note, and my first double post (of many)...

-Tin-, our mod, has decided to not distinguish between SK kills and Mafia kills. This makes life a bit more difficult. Keep that in mind as we continue (if that has not already been discussed)

[LoudmouthLee]

FoS: Jesse Gunn / Cipher and Farside

They were both random voting a known scum D1 (and Page 1, for that matter.) Let's see if any of them moved their vote after the bandwagon began rolling.

[LoudmouthLee]

FOS: Justin Playfair

For being extremely analytical on day 1.

I realize that Jesse has been replaced, but holy cow. This seems incredibly offputting. I am unsure if this is a noob move or a noob scum move.

[LoudmouthLee]

Confirm Vote: Jesse Gunn

.

Because...

being extremely analytical on day 1.

...isn't a sign of scum, it's a sign of good play. Being analytical at any stage of the game is a good sign, the earlier the better.

QFT. I liked the break down that justinfairplay gave. It was insightful and useful. FOS'ing someone for being too analytical is scummie.

unvote: Vote: Jesse Gunn

and farside was the first person to hop off of known scum wagon. FYI.

[LoudmouthLee]

Damn you suspended site page! Had a whole response typed up, and lost it. Oh well, I'll just say this. I'm not going to roleclaim on day 1, but I will if it's a choice between mafia and something else. But, I'm voting Six Aces because he's scum. If you don't believe me then lynch me, but you'll be sorry.

However, if you want to take a chance on taking out a mafia then let's all look into Six Aces. I realize I probably screwed my chances of making it past tonight, but I'll chalk it up to my inexperience at this site.

WOW!

Vote: Cipher

Sorry to punish you for your replacee's poor acts, but this is ridiculous.

This is screaming scum or cop. More scum.

[LoudmouthLee]

This sucks. I investigated Peers.

(shiver)

[LoudmouthLee]

I usually in other games have stated that a person hasn't had a counter claim (which in retrospect was stupid as there is a possiblity of more then one cop) so therefore Jesse claim seemed valid. When you stated about people not counter claiming I agreed because Six Aces already claimed cop and no other person should claim at that point since one was obviously lying.

Even if it wasn't obvious to you that one of them was lying, wouldn't you agree, that any counter claim (assuming it was legit) on Day 1 could ultimately prove disatrous for the town?

@ farside22

I posted this and you kind of zipped past it. Granted it may not have been completely clear that I was asking it of you, so would you mind touching on it now? Thanks.

Sorry about that. Well in this set up yes. In most set ups no. Usually in games I've been in there is only one cop. If someone is stupid enough to counter claim that means that one person is scum and the other is the cop. After six Aces claimed doctor there was no need to counter claim because between Jess and Six someone was obviously lying. Six tried to lie in order to make people wonder about Jess, but he could have done it to try and flush out the real doctor which is why I was quick to agree with Justin on no one else claiming. False claiming hurts scum more in my opinion, I wanted to see if someone would think to take that bait, but once again I forgot there is a possiblity of more then one cop. So yeah I screwed up with that thought.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

there is the innate possibility that BOTH are scum. If you remember, the scum players know who the other scum are. It's called the "Clearing Play" and it's a terrible play. It does happen insanely often, though, and keeping that in mind, it's dangerous.

"Take the bait" is more of a "I fucked up and someone called me on it."

[LoudmouthLee]

Justin Playfair's first target, day 2, was Farside. He's a known cop.

[LoudmouthLee]

Okay, I've read enough for now to get some feelings:

unvote: Cipher, but really large FoS

. I'm completely unsure of how I feel about the cop claim. He only "claimed cop" after everyone got on him for making a soft claim.

I really, really dislike farside. I think HE is the correct lynch of today. See above.

Vote: Farside

[LoudmouthLee]

I read the bit where Cipher softclaimed cop and than probably sold out his partner to "become" cop.

[LoudmouthLee]

Okay, well then, did you read the part where I said that whether or not Spacecase is scum, he should be lynched today regardless? I don't think that going out on a limb and casting a single vote on Farside is very pro-town at this point.

I might have missed that post, can you reference it for me?

[LoudmouthLee]

Has the game landscape changed so much in the 5 months I was gone?

Me placing a vote on Farside (and game rationale for it), got the response of

Okay, well then, did you read the part where I said that whether or not Spacecase is scum, he should be lynched today regardless? I don't think that going out on a limb and casting a single vote on Farside is very pro-town at this point.

I think your overt protection of farside is noted. I think, my friends, we have a link.

Unvote: Farside, but FoS: Farside

--> Linkage between Rigel and Farside.

Vote: Rigel

[LoudmouthLee]

I'd like a response from Rigel.

LML: While others may find what you are saying fairly obvious, I am not sure what you're getting at with the "protection" thing. Yes, it's odd he'd say it practically out of the blue. Are you saying that's why it's scummy, that someone who's on the town would never react like that? Is the idea he'd say that to try to draw attention away from a scum buddy?

Fairly simple.

Someone completely over-reacted when a different person had one vote levied on them. Overreaction is a keen way to find scum, since they are tenser (they have something to hide.)

I think Rigel is a completely viable look right now.

[LoudmouthLee]

Okay, I don't like this at all. In the first post, LML is merely asking for the post where I suggested we lynch Spacecase and analyze his lynch afterwards. In the second, he's out for my blood. What happened in between? MadCrawdad and The Fonz started accusing me. Note also that neither MadCrawdad nor The Fonz voted for me--but LML did. I'd like to know what precisely was so compelling about my post the second time you read it that made you want to vote for me, LML, or, perhaps more accurately, what was so compelling about MadCrawdad and The Fonz's posts.

I thought this was a fairly obvious thought process... I will, though, outline it for you and let you know how I felt about it.

It was neither McCrawdad's post nor The Fonz's post that cause me to vote you. Instead, it was a further look at the defensiveness (which is now being claimed as aggressiveness) of the situation.

I felt you were defending Farside in a way that looked incredibly odd... almost like one that has knowledge of Farside's role... the only way you can have that information is if you're a cop or scum. Obviously, with 1 cop dead and another claimed, you can't claim an information role.

You could be masons, sure... but if you were a masonry, then holy cow, don't be this damn obvious about it.

When you make a post that reads something to the effect of:

Okay, well then, did you read the part where I said that whether or not Spacecase is scum, he should be lynched today regardless? I don't think that going out on a limb and casting a single vote on Farside is very pro-town at this point.

You are calling me scum for casting a vote in a different direction from you. I also cast a single vote against you, and now, people are looking at you with a close eye.

I also do not know, Rigel, if you thought I was some newbie who could be railroaded. Holy cow. Exactly the opposite. Ask Oman.

I currently like my vote on Rigel.

[LoudmouthLee]

Wow, this game is SLOW.

There is no discussion, no action.

@Others

: How do you feel about Rigel? Shteven?

[LoudmouthLee]

LaptopGun, is there any particular reason that you're still voting for a claimed doctor?

Hi. Welcome to our lovely little deadline pressure cooker. Anyhow, I'm leaving my vote where it is for the moment as I haven't made up my mind. I'm not particuarly believing the claim. I'm stuck between what I think and what could be. If I was particuarly suspicious of someone else I'd change.

I dislike this quite immensely.

You seem to either be (a) breadcrumbing doctor, (b) scum who doesn't want to move their vote because there is a leading wagon of scum.

Although you've been "cleared", LG, that doesn't mean that you're not the Godfather.

FoS: LaptopGun

Still very happy with my vote on Rigel.

[LoudmouthLee]

Do I really need to say I'm town and I'm not the godfather? Again? For the upteenth time? And I aint no doctor either.

Also, LML that's rolefishing right there. Blatant rolefishing. I'm not going to get into WIFOM arguments with you, but suffice to say I fail to see what pro-town goal you hope to accomplish.

You're the one with the apparent vote on the claimed doctor. You brought this completely on yourself.

I am just asking the question that is on everyone's mind. You're basically saying "I'm not the godfather" and completely KEEPING YOUR VOTE on the claimed doctor.

The only thing holding me back from changing my vote to you is... well, you were "cleared" by the "cop."