NY 213 - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

actually wtf how do you think 3 is every acceptable here
do you not realize you're in a 25p? Do you think this is a 13p?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you appear to be caught up. Who's in your scumpool and why?

Not really? I'm current with what's happened d3 but I've missed a fair part of d2

[Gamma Emerald]

Seeking a replacement for Pine for general inactivity (both as of day 2 and day 3). They can keep their slot if they post content before I find a replacement.

idk if this is true but from my general memory I think flaking might actually be scum indicative casting my mind to some past memories of replace-outs from pine

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh my god Tchill might be scum
I had this exact same fucking fight with him in a past mini, the fact he's learned nothing tells me that something is very wrong

How similar?

very, in the other game I ended up going at it with him for like two game days iirc

Actually the way it played out I see it as a good scum play. You die, tada you have confirmed a vig exists. You live, you know that there is not a vig. I will state if Vaxkiller is scum I'd expect a BIG scumteam, like 6-7, as being willing to make that sacrifice sorta implies that.

What? That makes no sense. Scum aren't going to trade the life of one member just to learn something that they'd learn anyways. Generally town vigs have itchy trigger fingers.

I guess that's true but I feel like saying it's bad play doesn't feel right in context

[Gamma Emerald]

-his reads were accurate (although we agreed on most of them)
-you were one of his top (2, maybe 3) scumreads.

I feel like there's a problem with this that you aren't seeing.
Scum probably need to consider a bodyguard in their killpick too.

I am seeing the problem - that you think I'm scum because I was one of his scumreads before he died.
The problem YOU aren't seeing is that I'm town. I think his read on TBG was accurate, hence my vote there.

You see, my problem with this statement is you're cherrypicking which of Fl's reads are accurate. You can't say that one read is accurate and deny the accuracy of another without reason

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Lalendra
I feel like this a decent vote rn

[Gamma Emerald]

You see, my problem with this statement is you're cherrypicking which of Fl's reads are accurate. You can't say that one read is accurate and deny the accuracy of another without reason

Of course I can. Wheme flipped scum and I know I'm town. That's my reason. And as I said, FL scumreading TBG is only one of my reasons; I believe he was correct about TBG, largely because I came to the same conclusion myself, and him being killed for that seems logical to me.

and yet FL was scumreading you
but this makes your logic a little clearer

[Gamma Emerald]

According to Gamma, 5 or 6. I think I remember reading that you can divide the number of players by 7.5 to get the number of scum, so that would mean 21 / 7.5 = 2.8, or 3. I don't get overly invested in setup spec so I don't really care. As far as I'm concerned, I have two, there are more to be sought out and getting TBG's lynch would yield enough information to start looking for the 3rd, and so on from there.

oh balls not 7.5
divide it by 3.25 is what I think the logic was
but at least you have some janky math behind it and aren't being mindnumbingly moonlogiced

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn

Who u looking to lynch then ?

Probably pine tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

A little surprised Gamma was on the d2 train but I could see it as a bus. I think Dunnstral is still better for today though, although I'm mostly going iso by iso to get a grip on anything in this game.

Do I know you?

[Gamma Emerald]

"All other days last 7 days."
this is a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

If mylo doesn't provide content by day 4 I'm gonna start pushing him, but for now I'm still not in the mood

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading Mylo's (only) scumgame QT makes me think this could definitely be scum mylo actuall. This quote summarizes it pretty nicely:
'HELP, I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO POST. I"LL LITERALLY COPY AND PASTE IF YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY'

His constant active lurking- not posting content but posting at the right side of the borderline of not getting subbed out- fits that concern over posting stuff.
His interaction with Wheme also fits a likely fear of bussing from that game.


(Not sure if this is allowed or if it counts as advertising, but would anyone be able to do me a favour and sub into an off-site game?)

That would be my splatoon micro right

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah. Did you get a similar impression?

I wasn't really paying any mind before but I definitely agree with your analysis thinking back to it.
I think modding is actually a really good way to analyze people

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

Gamma, I was doing this exact same thing in Making Friends and Enemies. Town!You didn't call me out then lol, why are you calling me out now?

Because I didn't have enough time to make that analysis before I got lynched?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

Do you do like an ongoing commentary while watching or...?
I've heard about Teen Wolf a bit and it sounds like populist garbage

[Gamma Emerald]

Alternatively, I can get my magical notebook and try to write some of my fiction I haven't even started writing.

Bruh
I have been in that state for years, wanting to write something but not being able to actually /write/ it. I'm getting better now though, and have a good idea of what I want to write

[Gamma Emerald]

Kay

VOTE: texcat

Something about tex's tone has struck me as towny tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Alternatively, I can get my magical notebook and try to write some of my fiction I haven't even started writing.

Bruh
I have been in that state for years, wanting to write something but not being able to actually /write/ it. I'm getting better now though, and have a good idea of what I want to write

I also do have an idea but I can't even get my plot to make sense.

I have been mentally tweaking my plot for weeks at this point, I've finally managed to settle on a good premise within the last couple months
We should continue this elsewhere/later

[Gamma Emerald]

Also curious if anybody TRs Dunn?

I do, yes.

also, fuck it, VOTE: gamma. i definitely tr lala's recent posts and while creature is still an acceptable lynch, I'm shifting more town there too

Excuse me I've seen 3 votes on me with minimal reasoning at best
Can anyone bother to explain this or will I just have to deal with being SRed for BS?

[Gamma Emerald]

The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Also while Wheme was a centralized lynch, Performer was too so I don't think this analysis is super-fair

[Gamma Emerald]

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

This looks exactly like the type of post I would write when I was ready to bus. This is also after it was pretty clear the ship was sunk and it was time to bus.

The whole slot reads like scum to me but this post in particular really struck me in my read.

Like, this is the only post where Gamma curses? The tonal certainty of this post is so at odds with every other vote, it's just, very weird. It is not a town vote.

IMO

Er if I were to do a ship sinking bus there were much earlier times to do it
As for my cursing whyyyyy is that AI for you? I curse frequently in other games, so why is it a big deal here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me did something happen that I need to know about? ...No? Okay then.

[Gamma Emerald]

bah no time for this game rn, curious about this scioness wagon tho

[Gamma Emerald]

9. HopKirk -- Hopelessly lost town lead

this strike me as discreditory
Also I'm probably gonna start reading the stuff I missed cos if I don't I'm gonna continue not understanding what's going on

[Gamma Emerald]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

[Gamma Emerald]

9. HopKirk -- Hopelessly lost town lead

this strike me as discreditory
Also I'm probably gonna start reading the stuff I missed cos if I don't I'm gonna continue not understanding what's going on

I'm just salty that he disagrees with me on you and cat.

This is also why I don't usually do full lists. Everyone focuses on the string-of-consciousness thoughts I poop out for slots I am not thinking about that much and it just distracts from the slots I actually think are scummy. Like, I think pretty much everyone else is null, other than the people I think are scummy. I don't see how this helps tbh. With this many players and the number of scum, even with a flip I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot of play that can give me certainty someone is hard town. Especially when we still have 15% of the game as basically lurkers.

Like what even is this. Are you any less scummy just because I made a joke about our last mason?

Yeah no you don't call someone "lost" just for disagreeing on two reads. This makes me even more sure about the intent of your comment. And no I don't see what towncred I was aiming for (as that's what you seem to be implying with the last line). I was trying to call you out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You had your shot and blew it. The game I wanted you to point to was Open 688. You modded that game, so you should remember that Creature was so unengaged that he forgot his night action. Your assertion that it's completely black-and-white was bullshit.

Oh right, Gamma was the one that thought Creature was obvious by day 3. Gamma is Creature obviously town or obviously scum this game?

Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Makes 0 sense based on texcat's play.

This the only thing that I immediately have a problem with in that wall, everything else just seems to be an interpretation of things that could be different. This however, I had been taking notes when I replaced in and that was what I'd had for texcat, so it was what I based my read on.

[Gamma Emerald]

krazy has some good points about gamma
namely naked voting and sheeping other players and then voting some of my townreads without decent explanation (in line with sheeping others)

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

mylo is kinda a shitty vote to pick at imo, like I'd already agreed with hop that his play was reminiscent of splatoon mafia, and like what fucking reasoning CAN there be, he had no content! The vote was naked because there wasn't anything to dress it with. As for Kublai I wasn't particularly in the game, so I didn't have to best idea of what to vote on. That's been my play for d2 through to now, but I intend to change that

[Gamma Emerald]

Yikes, not looking too good there piney

Vaxkiller, where's your vig shot?

Starting my reading of stuff I missed, this isn't a good start for dunnstral

[Gamma Emerald]

Unfortunately I have to go now but I'm at least happy I've started on my reading so I can have a place to jump to

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You had your shot and blew it. The game I wanted you to point to was Open 688. You modded that game, so you should remember that Creature was so unengaged that he forgot his night action. Your assertion that it's completely black-and-white was bullshit.

Oh right, Gamma was the one that thought Creature was obvious by day 3. Gamma is Creature obviously town or obviously scum this game?

Town.

how is creature town and why do you townread him right now?

Honestly: I need to rethink this. He has apparently been performing above the bar as scum recently and as such he requires more scrutiny.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hopkirk has better reads in my experience of the two from all games played.

What is the meaning of this post?

[Gamma Emerald]

oh for my 'analysis' for the day

sajj is town
dunnstral is probably town

thank you for your time everybody

beautiful
now vote for who you think is scum instead of soapboxing about the two leading wagons being town

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma are you just ignoring Krazy now?

p much
I haven't really seen any development from them, and I'd rather focus on dealing with people who aren't absolutely tunneled on me and also try to read days 2 and beyond

[Gamma Emerald]

or that post can happen
that response to Creature has me a bit ponderous on Dunn+Krazy as scum, cos Krazy seems to be softpushing dunn there despite me voting there

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think scum!Dunn defends wheme's doctor claim?

Probably, the claim was likely made for survivability, so it would make sense for a buddy to defend there.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: Does it? In a large normal you're going to jeopardize a second slot to save a sinking ship?

This reasoning seems ???

but it is also very wifomy so basically I'd like to understand why people see Dunn as scum outside of Evidence 1.0: Dunn's Defense of the Doctor Claim.

Well my scumread doesn't really come from that? And I've made the mistake of trying to save a sinking ship too, albeit as a newb, but it's not too far out of what I'd expect. Plus how was he to know it was sinking, there probably was still a shot for survival.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hopkirk has better reads in my experience of the two from all games played.

What is the meaning of this post?

someone said ausuka got lynched for reads and im pretty much saying id be shocked because of the two conftowns i'd lynch hop because he usually has better reads.

okay, I thought there was some talking down of Hop's reads in this game and I got a little upset

[Gamma Emerald]

Like that part from Krazy by itself is making me wonder if Dunn is his partner instead of texcat

But probably not

Dude, I had a similar thought

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: vaxkiller

y

good question.

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

Why are you lacking conviction? You get asked about your vote and you just dropped it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

"BACK AND FORTH"

if I remember correctly Gamma and TBG would have been the biggest culprits of this. I may redirect my attention there.

I don't even know what back and forth means there

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW, just so this is out there:

There's a confirmed town alive.
There's likely some sort of protection somewhere.
Yet scum killed the claimed VT.

That has a lot of significance, but I won't have a working theory until I can decipher the gamestate a bit more clearly. The biggest thing that it would most obviously indicate, is... shocker... that town is probably way off in its reads overall!

anka had a good point here about reads being off

Well keep in mind that PP was also very likely never getting lynched following d2 so I don't see the significance? It probably would mean the reads are right

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it possible scum are scared to death of the protective and figured that hop would be protected instead of PP.

but why kill vt over a random town?

If I remember correctly PP was counterwagon to Wheme so that could be why

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah never lynching TBG is not the right way to go.

this phrasing is awkward but whatever
Gonna probably try to continue my read back

[Gamma Emerald]

Hopkirk went from saying we could switch the wheme wagon to TBG to not even pushing TBG at all.

Why does that matter?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dear god is that really yellow?

Mfw its the dress all over again.

Hahahah this got a chuckle out of me irl

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe we use different background colours.
It's probably more white than yellow actually looking more carefully.

it was a very faint pink/red for me (mafblack)

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it possible scum are scared to death of the protective and figured that hop would be protected instead of PP.

but why kill vt over a random town?

If I remember correctly PP was counterwagon to Wheme so that could be why

Meaning scum is afraid of port on hopkirk so they go after semi 'confirmed' town?

I think so.

[Gamma Emerald]

That VCA on Osuka seriously point to krazy or tex being scum. At one point the wagon was:

Osuka (8) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Krazy (176), Almost50 (390), JarJarDrinks (535), Performer (623), PenguinPower (681), Hopkirk (696)

It's very unlikely a town wagon gets that large w/o some scum on it. I know I'm town and Dunn/Almost/Performer/PP/Hopkirk are all town.

I think Tex/Krazy is prob a good place to lynch from

er what
krazy wasn't in the game then, I get the intent but it's confusing

[Gamma Emerald]

strongest scumread right now is TBG followed by SS and then creature/gamma

m'm working with you until we get sajj and TBG scum lynched. Then I'm winning with you.

what are you trying to say here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because TBG had an out. He does not get lynched the next day just because he wasn't on the wagon that lynches scum. Gamma was not a recent replace-in and doesn't have as many excuses. Circumstance matters.

TBG put Wheme at L-1 and asked for intent to hammer to generate a claim. It is

possible

he does this as scum, but I do not see it as

probable

.

Erm I did have the out of consistently being against it? Why do I just turn on him like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Krazy plays off the hammer as accidental but I believe he knew full well what he was doing:

no...? He called it shitty, not accidental

[Gamma Emerald]

-He recognized PP had stalled and Wheme was probably the lynch for the day, so he bussed to active lurk for a few more game days while probably not getting lynched

This is like the only thing I take issue with in the post, the meta seems reasonable. Why do you say I'm trying to active lurk? While that ends up happening sometimes as scum when I get uncomfortable (and I can provide meta for this as well, older but w/e), it definitely didn't happen here. So please reconcile your argument with reality?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess so...

VOTE: Gamma

Hi
You've been sheeping onto me for 2+ game days off of what, one game of meta? Please tell me your reasoning if I'm wrong.

TBG and krazy could potentially be scum right now

krazy thinks meta is bad but uses it for the bulk of his argument on gamma

and then proceeds to hard-defend TBG right afterwards after a few people say they fos TBG

meh I don't really see the big deal wrt to krazy being scummy
also are you still giving a "free pass" to mylo

[Gamma Emerald]

4.

Golden Robster

5. Krazy
6.

Creature

7.

Kublai Khan

9.

Hopkirk

10.

Gamma Emerald

13. Tchill13
14. Skygazer
15. JarJarDrinks
17.

Ankamius

18.

Texcat

19. TehBrawlGuy
20. Vaxkiller
21. Wavemode
23. Myloninja13
24.

Scioness Sajj

Just to make sure this is creature style right (townreads are crossed out)

[Gamma Emerald]

huh.

What I am saying is that out of the 3 members of the hood, 2 of them are confirmed town. Therefore making the other member more likely to be scum.

Mmm don't realy like this logic (this is me reading back)

[Gamma Emerald]

why you only adding on reads now

feels like wifom before being lynched

if I ask you to hardclaim will you hardclaim

either say yes or no

okay this feels kinda bad
PEdit: ausuka, performer, + wave were in a hood

[Gamma Emerald]

Ausuka's vote was the sign to bus on day 2.

Never even realized that came right before mine? I kinda doubt it anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: whemestar

I wanted tbg. don't really have time for anything else. sorry if you're town wheme.

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

This is a pretty big post difference, plus I posted a couple times before voting. Fuck off with your sinking ship theory.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm back woo!

seriously disgusting.

Sorry sorry I know I've kinda been terrible this game sorry. I'm planning to take a break from mafia once I finish all my current games naturally.

Has there been any notable events?

How about you just don't play 12 games at once

[Gamma Emerald]

why you only adding on reads now

feels like wifom before being lynched

if I ask you to hardclaim will you hardclaim

either say yes or no

okay this feels kinda bad
PEdit: ausuka, performer, + wave were in a hood

why are you only bringing up these posts without context?

fake guilty then unvoted

why are you throwing shade on me?

Um I didn't think context was necessary? It just didn't feel like a real "fake guilty" thought process. Something felt off about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

three and a half scumreads + mylo

yeah the wagon is awful

krazy and wavemode wagons aren't happening today

either tbg or gamma or scioness

okay these feel dissonant
VOTE: Golden Robster
Not entirely confident, but from what I've seen both from back reading and this, I'm not too impressed by his content

[Gamma Emerald]

There's something else too:

When I was on my way to go lunch at some meh restaurant I was playing CodyCross and there was some question about a group (it turned out to be yardbirds the answer), then I thought about democrats vs republicans). I asked myself "what's the difference between democracy and republic?". I thought about Roman Republic while asking "could it be a democracy?".

I then started to have insights about how the Roman Republic went down to become Roman Imperium and it made me think about Augustus Caesar. Though, there was an alt named Augustus Caesar on that horrible Civilization game. Augustus Caesar was like one of the most obvious scum I have ever saw, and yet he still survived to endgame just lurking.

Who was behind that alt? Pine. What did Pine do? Lurk until he was inevitably replaced here. Who replaced Pine? Krazy. Now seeing Krazy, his name feels pretty self-explanatory. Though, I kinda wonder: would town!Krazy act like this or would he just be Kublai Khan 2.0? Somehow I started having insight about powerscum deciding to play semi-enthusiastic like Krazy here.

idk how much should I take this seriously though. Is this too Krazy?

This hurts my brain a bit but it also makes me lol
and I think I should look at Pine's replace because I also remember him being lurky in the OTHER Civ game (Venmar's UPick) and he was town there, but he actually realized it was a problem there and replaced out when he realized he couldn't get better

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm back woo!

seriously disgusting.

Sorry sorry I know I've kinda been terrible this game sorry. I'm planning to take a break from mafia once I finish all my current games naturally.

Has there been any notable events?

How about you just don't play 12 games at once

What?

Myloninja is consistently like this and I'm pretty sure he's overgaming himself

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

is THIS forced? you didn't take issue with any previous vote on scioness

Yeah that's a bit loopy
cos despite defending tbg he decides to pick on tbg's vote? nagl

[Gamma Emerald]

Um I didn't think context was necessary? It just didn't feel like a real "fake guilty" thought process. Something felt off about it.

what felt off about it?

please explain

It felt like you didn't have any sort of idea of what you were doing
which I'd maybe expect from a newb too but you're not a newb, and maybe if your really bad at it but it just seems like scum that just wanted to throw shit at a wall and see if it stuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma can you expand on why you feel GR bussed wheme?

I think probably for cred
can you explain why this is your fallback question? You asked this about Dunn yesterday and it feels like you're using it as a crutch rather than trying to find actual objections to the lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

What separates GR's vote(s) from anyone else on the Wheme wagon? Anything?

Why are you attacking me for questioning you instead of building a more convincing case on your vanity wagon?

I don't know yet because I'm not at that point in the read back. I'll work on that when I get there though, thanks.
As for why I'm questioning you, it's because you kinda feel like you're going Groundhog Day here, just repeating the same shit from yesterday. Doesn't feel very genuine.

[Gamma Emerald]

It felt like you didn't have any sort of idea of what you were doing
which I'd maybe expect from a newb too but you're not a newb, and maybe if your really bad at it but it just seems like scum that just wanted to throw shit at a wall and see if it stuck

why would a fake guilty be more likely to come from a newb than an experienced player?

what do you mean throw shit at a wall?

why are you throwing shade at me without a convincing argument?

I didn't say it would be more likely from a newb? That's plain taking my post out of context. I said I'd expect the bad method from a newb since they wouldn't even have practice with a real guilty most likely.
Throwing shit at a wall means you're just trying things and seeing what works. That's a common idiom in English, at least around here, you should know that.

if all of your argument hinges on a gut feeling of dissonance then you're wrong and bad at the same time

And I love how you act like this is the only part of why I'm scumreading you. This just makes me feel even better about my vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ank sorry but you missed it
Also this makes me not very pleased with JJD
hey tbg can you quote your JJD case again so I can comb through it real quick, there's some stuff I'm thinking I might see and if I do I'll probably go with you on that

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: JarjarDrinks
Yeah I think this is shady enough
I was asking you about your reasons TBG to see if you had anything about his voting patterns, and while it wasn't as much of a smoking gun as I hoped I did see some stuff about it that made me feel like it was a good vote

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ank sorry but you missed it
Also this makes me not very pleased with JJD

What is it that you don't like? The fact that I'm actually using my vote on people that have a chance to be lynched instead of pissing it away on a vanity wagon like u are?

The fact that THE SECOND a claim is generated you hop off? If it were PR I wouldn't be like this, but this means your vote has no conviction and most likely you're just baiting claims here. That's a scum agenda.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should clarify

The last days were chaotic with wagons with big wagons appearing and disappearing really quickly, this set of wagons were mostly settled on

It's unlikely scum didn't have a hand in this progression

Hmm I disagree with this
the lynches for the first three days all had the same feeling

[Gamma Emerald]

2. I already did. Information.
+ I like getting scummy players to claim cuz it helps me read them

what info, and how does it help you read them?

[Gamma Emerald]

what info

Their claimed role obv.

and how does it help you read them?

Uhh, same way anything someone says helps you read them?

These were some really shitty questions Gamma.

Well your play is shitty. Tell me one way in which what you're doing cannot be described as rolefishing.

[Gamma Emerald]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

Wouldn't it be awful to run up sajj if he was a PR also?

this whole talk you've got your quote from was about JJD unvoting TBG

ONE MINUTE

after TBG claimed, even though JJD said he was already scumreading me more before TBG's claim. JJD got TBG's claim and immediately moved to me to get another claim.

I'm saying that's bad logic on TBGs part. Something said specifically for him but fits for everyone else also.

I don't even know the point you're making

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: JarjarDrinks
Yeah I think this is shady enough
I was asking you about your reasons TBG to see if you had anything about his voting patterns, and while it wasn't as much of a smoking gun as I hoped I did see some stuff about it that made me feel like it was a good vote

I'm just going to say this JJD wagon might be the worst wagon in the game to date, and Gamma tried to lead it.

The three leading wagons are all probably town. Scion is the only one I might be wrong on, but I don't think I am.

CFD onto Gamma would be a good CFD.

Vote Gamma

lol u just hatin cos u don't like me
And do you disagree with the reasons or...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Aint happening so u gotta pick a horse. If Scion is the TR u have doubts on then throw down a vote there.

If you want my vote, give me a reason. Trying to badger me into sheeping a leading wagon will not work. I have a pretty explicit case on Gamma, whereas the case on Scion fails to explain the logical structure of her supposed Wheme bus. Gamma definitely bussed, for Scion it is maybe plausible but unlikely. TBG and JJD almost certainly did not and are very close to locktown.

All three of these wagons are shitty, and you trying to goad people into sheeping you onto probable town is not helping JJD.

Give me one good reason you are not voting Gamma.

lmao pls
nice little perspective pivot my friend

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then why...? Does make me rethink my read on you a little

[Gamma Emerald]

who takes notes anyways

I do sometimes
Like when I replaced in, that's where I put all my notes about what I thought was noteworthy
I typically do an excel document on my phone

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: Golden Robster

VOTE: Wavemode

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

what

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then why...? Does make me rethink my read on you a little

Why what?

Why would you switch back to tbh if you preferred sajj, which still had momentum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then why...? Does make me rethink my read on you a little

Why what?

Why would you switch back to tbh if you preferred sajj, which still had momentum

I already answered that and no, all the momentum stalled.

Why does this make you rethink your read on me?

Because it makes no sense from what I interpreted your intent as

[Gamma Emerald]

Still confused. Are you saying that you think it's scummy to prefer one lynch but vote elsewhere if the original lynch has a chance of going through?

I'm mostly just confused by you in general
UNVOTE: You know what at this point your play doesn't really make sense to me on any level so I'm just gonna take it as you being town

[Gamma Emerald]

Gammas unvote makes me want to shoot myself btw

Sorry I actually am trying to figure things out rather than continue floating on in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Gammas unvote makes me want to shoot myself btw

Sorry I actually am trying to figure things out rather than continue floating on in the game

that's what i thought you were doing

but then jjds wagon rose and you bailed

Err I bailed a little after it had gained it's momentum? So the timing's a little off.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: texcat
eh after a mite of meta I think tex has a decent chance of being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean it makes no sense but do you really think scum posts that

[Gamma Emerald]

why do u disagree and why did you sheep tbg on texcat lynch?

I disagree because I don't see what's really scummy about it, like it's kinda dumb to suggest someone go against their own perspective like that but does dumb really equal scum in this case? As for tex, after someone mentioned their lack of content, I decided to do some meta, and from the meta I felt that the lack-of-content point was valid, along with noting just a general behavioral trend between this game and tex's scumgame I checked

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if i have been kept alive becuase my reads are bad or i'm just that scummy though. so you will have to figure it out yourself.

this is very self-righteous
what makes you think you'd get killed over the others?

[Gamma Emerald]

not deflecting off main wagons

texcat is a main wagon you wingnut

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess I now understand why large games on MS are too scumsided: lack of plurality lynches.

You yourself modded a plurality game that town blew in
PLurality won't help, getting towns to not blow will

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma you're actually blind

TBG wagon was at L-2 and he hardclaimed; JJD gave intent to hammer

how is that not the main wagon?

Um I'm not sure about the exact number but you did see the tex wagon gained a considerable amount of votes right? I think that counts as a main wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

iirc both mine and tbg's wagons started early in the day.
there was also gamma wagona but it died out
then we got jj wagon that gathered some interest (as in was talked about) but it also died
then we got texcat and the game blew up.

Yeah tex needs death

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm.. Wavemode doesn't make sense as a partner based on those VCs.

You seriously read all of them?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like building a likeness of the people I'm looking for before looking for them in the sea of people

So you're basically building a profile to look at
this is a cool playstyle tbh, very forensic

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm.. Wavemode doesn't make sense as a partner based on those VCs.

You seriously read all of them?

They aren't reading materials. They are lists with patterns therein.

Look through Day 1. Notice that texcat and Whemestar are rarely on the same wagons together? it's super common for scum to spread out their votes and avoid bunching up. The people I scum-read had a similar pattern.

I see. That makes sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: tchill

@krazy you're analysis is fine; I agree that we should be focusing on these three players including myself and KK here

it makes the most logical sense to look at the players who hard-defended texcat (including me)

I feel like I just got substituted in for JarJarDrinks.

Yeah that just feels a bit messed up to me
like he was trying to shift the crosshairs to an easier target

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like wavemode!scum would have prioritized a Tchill13 NK over a claimed VT any given night.

Yeah this is true
vengeful only activates on a lynch so by killing him it makes the vengeful not activate

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes EspeciallyTheLies joined my neighborhood as a universal backup to Srceenplay

I'm conftown because I'm a 2-shot Friendly Neighbor and i targeted especiallythelies (now Tchill) and Gamma Emerald

I can verify I received this
also what is GR at

[Gamma Emerald]

meta is shit don't use that as an excuse

...I've literally used it as an excuse for every town game I've been in...

So you play scummy as town and use meta as an excuse? PASS.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't know universal backup can only inherit their own alignment.
Doesn't that mean the neighbourhood had to be all town? Otherwise we could lynch a scum neighbour then Wheme would inherit the hood and be confirmed scum right?

Honestly I don't think that would even make it past the NRG, they'd probably hardcore veto that

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Golden Robster
I don't understand people backing off of this, why, because he gave up and self-voted? That's a pot of WiFoM and you know it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Guess it depends on whether you think texcat literally played on the assumption she never, ever gets flipped.

I don't think texcat would think that given the amount of people suspecting her

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about that
look at games like friends and enemies

[Gamma Emerald]

go w this VOTE: Vaxkiller

Really dislike his last posts. Like he's trying to tell me to not join his wagon or else he's gonna join mine.

why jump off GR?

[Gamma Emerald]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.

I also find it hard to believe that town!you spends most of his day today defending himself instead of attempting to make a solid push on someone else. Your argument is that you're kind of out of it, but you weren't disengaged after Lala ML, and you weren't disengaged after Dunn ML either. We finally hit Scum again and only then you're meh on the gamestate?

Yeah that does look pretty shifty tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

+SCUM EQUITY IN {Gamma Emerald}

9. HopKirk -- Hopelessly lost town lead

this strike me as discreditory
Also I'm probably gonna start reading the stuff I missed cos if I don't I'm gonna continue not understanding what's going on

So you say this is plus scum equity, but you don't give any reasons, in fact you didn't give any for anything you called towny or scummy. Why should I place any credibility in this?

[Gamma Emerald]

there are no masses that are defending me; I was at L-2 and hardclaimed

No but until you're lynched the masses are against it.

oh god you're just like beeboy

[Gamma Emerald]

beeboy has a habit of being stubborn, which led to this line: "If you flip town I'll townread you"

[Gamma Emerald]

But no seriously

I start a push on Gamma, no interference
Wave starts pushing back, Skygazer and Kublai Khan immediately support the push
Gamma asks me about why he should take me seriously when I don't spell out everything I'm thinking while I'm reasoning out that he's scum

It's filthy

That's not the exact meaning of that, I wanted justification on your reads because it looked like you were just throwing things around

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e none of what you're saying is making sense to me
I'd like everyone to tell me why what Krazy is saying about GR isn't a good reason to lynch GR if they think that

[Gamma Emerald]

VT
w/e I'm pretty frickin bored anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

[Gamma Emerald]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

oh come on Gamma, you’re better than this

literally if I try and go onto any other wagon people are going to be shouting “survivalistic” and raising their pitchforks at me

that’s not a good enough reason and being consistently bad =/= being scum

I mean your little AtE WiFoM self-vote thing

[Gamma Emerald]

There were 5 town power roles, not one investigative or protective. Four of them turned confirmed town, one was lynched.

Town had 5 mislynches and 1 miskill, and 4 mafia lynches.
Town needed to mislynch 9 times to lose.
They needed to lynch correctly 4 times to win.
The pool was 4 mafia 5 town power roles and 16 vanilla townies.
Without town investigative or protective power, mafia needed just one person who was townish enough.
That didn't happen though, so they lost.

Kinda hard to have someone like that when half the team is lurking

[Gamma Emerald]

I might be complaining but I felt like four scum felt a bit small to be honest; maybe I'm just complaining but yeah.

I think in mountainous masons are supposed to be equal in count to the scum. 4 man scum team vs 2 masons, 1 IC, 1 FN+neighbor/vengeful + 1 UB is 4 vs 5. Scum had 2 UBs and 1 rolecop but also an enabler (negative util). I can definitely see why this would be passed (strong scum PRs and the UB does not start as a 'mason') but in 25 players I do agree this is a pretty steep mountain to climb.

I'm sure mastina will come and explain why mathmatically this is a balanced setup tho, and she'll probably be right. Compared to other setups that have been approved this is relatively consistent with site meta if nothing else.

Oh btw Ircher said this setup would take like a month when I replaced in, which implied the setup would have a considerable amount of death
not very cool

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: NY 213 - Krazy PT

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

I'm a one man apocalypse

Abilities:
Take a Breather -- Able to recover from tactical nukes
Whole Hog -- Able to knock busses into his teammates
Scrap Gun -- Take down attack helicopters

If scum, here were some tells:

UNVOTE:
honestly the behavior after this slot claimed from a couple people makes me think it's town
is there any other wagon to performer (besides android)? I'll vote performer if it's literally the ONLY option, but if anything else is there I'll probably vote there.

Kublai’s engagement feels kind of false. Summary of interactions/mentions of everyone in the game:

Dunn- Townreads based on Dunn pointing out when Android last posted. Doesn’t address the townread again.

Robster- asks a couple of light questions without followup and agrees we probably shouldn’t lynch in the neighbourhood (post Ausuka claim).

Pine- Mentions Pine is active lurking about 6ish times. Doesn’t press Pine on this (like he does Scion). Townreads anyway.

Creature- A bit of doubt over the Creature meta tells. No direct conversation.

Wheme- Doesn’t really mention.

Hopkirk- Excluding this one as it’s me.

Edo/Gamma- doesn’t engage with or even mention respectively.

Ausuka- Scumreads pretty explicitly for most of the game.

Lalendra- Asks two people about their reads on the slot as part of a list of several people he’s asking about.

ETL- No engagement.

Love/Dave/FA- Minor push, doesn’t mention, doesn’t mention.

JarJar- Votes and pushes a bit D1. Isn’t voting him now/slight defence of JJ on push against him.

Android- Mentions once saying people shouldn’t complain about Android/Wave with FL around.

Tex- Townreads. Idk where.

Arc- Includes in one list of active lurkers but not another (the Android/Wave/FL post). Doesn’t really push/mention).

Vax- Doesn’t really mention. Currently voting.

Wave- Defends a lot.

The Rampage- Not sure of KK’s read.

Mylo- Mentions as a lurker a few times.

Scion- Votes and says it was to push Scion. Does not attempt to push other lurkers in the same way. Barely mentions most of the lurkers. One of the things that feels contradictory.

Flavour Leaf- Pushes a lot harder than most lurkers for basically the same thing. Want to lynch FL/calls him a bad player, largely ignores most people who aren’t contributing.

2402 attacking FL is pretty bad in this respect. Tries to discredit FL by saying about FL ‘Where's you reads on the game? Your promised analysis? You've had no comment on Pine all game? Lalendra? Myloninja13?’ which also applies to KK. Hypocritical.

Does not ask the same question to Arc, Android, Mylo etc.

(Dead town)

Almost50- Pushes a bit early on. Mostly abandons/doesn’t follow up (arguably when it became clear people townread A50)

Ousuka- Pushes hard.

Performer- Pushes hard.


Summary: Feels like he’s not actually looking to solve the game and feels kind of self-contradictory. Not engaging deeply. Not following up on stuff. Unclear reads/doesn’t really feel like he’s trying to solve. Feels especially inconsistent in regard to lurkers.

Doesn’t help that his main five pushes are the three dead townies, the IC, and a push on FL that doesn’t fit how KK interacts with other non-contributors. Also doesn’t help he ignores/defends Android/Wave (who I scumread) while pushing every other wagon that happened yesterday.

Note- decided to go through this fully and see what results I got since I noticed earlier he doesn't mention Android, defends Wave, attacks Ousuka/Performer/Ausuka.

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

(this is the next vote, a full REAL LIFE week later)

Honestly I'm more in the mood to vote GoldRob out of those two, PP hasn't been towny per se but GR has been scummy
VOTE: Golden Robster

GR's 2848 for context: viewtopic.php?p=10310730#p10310730
Also page 115: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567&start=2850

UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

VOTE: PenguinPower
For anyone thinking claiming VT makes the person less likely scum I personally think that's a crock of shit. If A50 were still here he'd back me up on VT claiming not being clearing.

Next vote is on PP about a day later.

UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

This is 2 real life days after last unvote.

Highlights:

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

VOTE: texcat
eh after a mite of meta I think tex has a decent chance of being scum

ok this is kinda cool
Also lol I'm Roadhog, PRETTY SURE I was also that in the Overwatch mafia game I played on MU, which makes it downright hilarious you'd end up selecting it