Mafia 74: Minimally Flavoured - Game over!

[Toaster Strudel]

Bad news everyone. Toaster Strudel replacing.

[Toaster Strudel]

Partial notes:


egruntz: going after Bookitty at first, then Xylthim, who was, surprised, bus'ed scum.
His suspects: 1. Disciple Slayer, 2. Mills and 3. Xylthixlm - vote DiscipleLayer out of the blue.

DS
Mills
Xyl

I would have bet the farm that one of the 3 is scum, but Syl is already dead and scum, so not extra info there.

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Xylthixlm: votes OGML, mentions DiscipleSlayer and Mills. Dark Ermac, Sange mentioned. votes DiscipleSalyer
"I will be happy voting either egruntz or Disciple Slayer" -
mentions Fonz, Panzer, Snaps, Phate and Bookitty a bit.
Then back to OGML. FOS: CKD

His scumlist:
Disciple Slayer
curiouskarmadog, for voting Mills for a scummy reason then not saying what it is
Dark Ermac, for suggesting random voting then arguing against voting the scummiest people
egruntz, for advocating nolynch and general strange play. He's really after DS big time.
Then votes Eteocles??? FOS Panzer, now after Panzer.

OGML (town)
CKD (town)
DS/Eteocles (town)
Sange (town)
Fonz (town)
egruntz(scum)
Panzer (???)
Snaps (???)
Mills/Antithesis (???)
Phate (???)
Bookitty (???)

What I get from this is that Xyl is not the bus'ing kind of town. However, egruntz, a noob scum, had DS, Mills/Antithesis and Xyl on his scumlist. I'm not sure if that's good for Mills/Antithesis.

But I bet he at least mentioned his buddy at some point.

Panzer (???) voted Snaps, Fonz, Mills(a lot), hasdagas, defends Mills and is against the DS wagon. His scumlist:
Mills/Antithesis, FOS Dark Ermac, votes CKD....
Egruntz (scum)
hasdagas
The Fonz
Disciple Slayer(town)
Patch15 (a lurker?)

Snaps (???)
Mills/Antithesis (???)
Phate (???)
Bookitty (???)

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SO far Panzer is lookign very scummy. But I need to look at Mills/Antithesis, Phate and Bookitty before I decide anything. I'm too tired now.

[Toaster Strudel]

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SCUMPUTER INPUT
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January 6

Disciple Slayer - 6 (Mills, Snaps the pirate, Xylthixlm, Bookitty, Hasdgfas, egruntz)
We know that both Xyl and egruntz were scum. Two scum on one townie wagon is a lot. Therefore, I would say that Mills/Antithesis, Snaps the pirate, Bookitty, and Hasdgfas are almost certainly town.

Panzer (???) - scum?
Phate (???)- scum?
Snaps (???) - almost certainly town
Mills/Antithesis (???) - almost certainly town
Bookitty (???) - almost certainly town

On that same wagon, let's see who was voting for these players that I suppose are town.
Mills/Antithesis (town) - 2 (curiouskarmadog(town), panzerjager(???))
OhGodMyLife (town) - 2 (the fonz (town), Phate (???))
Bookitty - 1 (Disciple Slayer/Eteocles(town))

Looking at that wagon, I would have to say that Panzer and Phate are scum.

January 23

Eteocles (town)- 8 (Snaps the pirate, Xylthixlm (scum), egruntz(scum), Hasdgfas, Bookitty, Antithesis, Vollkan, Liamcool/TS (town))
OhGodMyLife (town)- 2 (the fonz(town), curiouskarmadog (town))
curiouskarmadog (town) - 2 (panzerjager, OhGodMyLife(town))
Antithesis - 1 (Phate)
Bookitty - 1 (eteocles(town))
egruntz - 1 (Xyzzy)

Again, two scum on Eteocles/DS. Again I doubt there is a third scum there. Again, possible townies are:
Snaps the pirate, Hasdgfas, Bookitty, Mills/Antithesis, Vollkan, Liamcool/TS.
We have Panzer voting for CKD (a townie), and Phate voting Antithesis a likely townie. Xyxxy voting egruntz might be safe distancing.

Phate (???) - scum?
Panzer (???) - scum?
Xyzzy (???) - scum?
Vollkan - almost certainly town
Liamcool/TS - almost certainly town
Snaps (???) - almost certainly town, almost certainly town
Mills/Antithesis (???) - almost certainly town, almost certainly town
Bookitty (???) - almost certainly town, almost certainly town

March 9

OhGodMyLife (town)- 5 (Vollkan, Bookitty, Antithesis, panzerjager, hasdgfas)
panzerjager - 2 (Snaps the pirate, Xyzzy)
Snaps the pirate - 1 (Phate)
Xyzzy - 1 (Skruffs)
Rishi - 1 (OhGodMyLife)

OK, this one is harder to analyze, I'll have to be a bit more speculative and treat some players as town. I'm putting an asterisk next to the players I think may be town based on the previous wagons.

OhGodMyLife (town)- 5 (Vollkan*, Bookitty**, Antithesis**, panzerjager, hasdgfas**)
panzerjager - 2 (Snaps the pirate**, Xyzzy)
Snaps the pirate - 1 (Phate)
Xyzzy - 1 (Skruffs(town))
Rishi - 1 (OhGodMyLife (town))

A townie lynch with only 5 votes, I expect one scum, and that scum would be Panzer, since all others on the wagon, I've pretty much eliminated. It fits.
Off-wagon, we have xyzzy voting for potential scumbag Panzer. The day before we did something similar, the only vote on egruntz-scum. Phate is off-wagon voting for a townie. I have no read on Rishi-sensfan, this is a heavy lurking player slot that no one has talked about much.

Oops I just noticed that hasdagas is dead and was indeed town. Oh well that confirms my analysis a little, it doesn't discredit it.

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SCUMPUTER OUTPUT
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First scumdidate: Panzer
Second scumdidate: Phate
Thir scumdidate: Xyzzy

[Toaster Strudel]

Checking the most recent votecount, Panzer and Zyzzy are pushing for a Snaps lynch. By my calculations Snaps is town.

vote: Panzerjager

[Toaster Strudel]

This jumped out at me. Look at the weaselly words he uses to interpret zz's actions. Rather than "Xyzzy didn't find Panzerjager scummy enough to lynch; he finds me a better lynch for lurker hunting and being unhelpful.", he throws in phrases like "has been careful not to vote for Panzerjager when he was in any real danger of being lynched" and "apparently dropped his suspicions and he has switched his attack to me". Those are the words of someone who's absolutely sure that someone else is scum, yet he doesn't go on to vote him, FoS him, or even mention his opinions on zz's scumminess. It feels to me like someone just trying to stir up suspicion without making any commitment.

Considering that the Scumputer output has yourself, Panzer and Xyzzy as scumbags, I'd like you to explain the above further.

I realize you are attacking Snaps. But who are you defending? Are you defending Xyzzy, or Panzer - even if the defense is indirect, I'd like an answer.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS, why do you think that we would have no more than two scum on that first wagon?

I believe that scum divides itself rather evenly across wagons, and off-wagon votes.

[Toaster Strudel]

Smart scum does this. You don't think I've been scum enough to know?

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm not worried. Smart scum does it, dumb scum does it. Instinct. Reflex.

[Toaster Strudel]

Entertain us please.

[Toaster Strudel]

A TWO-shot vig is a little bizarre. A one-shot vig, or a regular vig, but TWO shot???

[Toaster Strudel]

Both Phate and Xyzzy are serious lurkers so I would suggest one of them. I am also suspicious of Rishi and Xyzzy because they followed Panzer to form a bandwagon on me...

I can help you with your problem. I actually think that Phate is scum.

unvote, vote: Phate

[Toaster Strudel]

Both Phate and Xyzzy are serious lurkers so I would suggest one of them. I am also suspicious of Rishi and Xyzzy because they followed Panzer to form a bandwagon on me...

I can help you with your problem. I actually think that Phate is scum.

unvote, vote: Phate

Why?

Scumputer result. Check my previous posts.

[Toaster Strudel]

Scumputer data

I read it again, it's perfectly clear. Just read it. It's all explained.

[Toaster Strudel]

@Toaster Strudel: Could you explain this statement please,

A TWO-shot vig is a little bizarre. A one-shot vig, or a regular vig, but TWO shot???

Do you think Panz has falsely claimed? If so, in what way? If you think his claim is false, why have you unvoted him?

Absolutely.

Do I think Panzer falsely claimed? Everybody else seems to believe him, though I cannot fathom why. As I stated earlier, two-shot anything is pretty weird.

I unvoted him because much to my dismay, he appears to be widely believed. The one tiny thing in Panzer's favor is that he didn't resist claiming. So I moved on to another player.

But seriously, why do people believe a two-shot vig???

[Toaster Strudel]

For the record, I'm not a deep thinker. All the justification is there, though. I can't add more.

[Toaster Strudel]

Panzer, does this have something to do with my not believing your claim?

[Toaster Strudel]

After Snaps was lynched and turned up scum (my analysis had him pretty townie), I checked the obituaries again and then I realized...

17) Xylthixlm, mafia goon, killed Night One. (brown mafia)
16) egruntz, mafia goon, lynched Day Two. (red mafia)
18) Snaps_the_Pirate, mafia goon, lynched Day Four (brown mafia)

Soooo... three mafia goons. And two different colored mafias. So folks, we have two mafia here not one, and I didn't take that into consideration when I input the data in the Scumputer. Not only does this change everything, but I have never had to deal with two scum groups before. I am going to try, it's going to be an interestingn challenge.

[Toaster Strudel]

Only one kill last night. Perhaps one scum group is eliminated?

Are you suggesting that one scumgroup was just a pair of goons? I've never seen that before, and I doubt it's happening here.

[Toaster Strudel]

So are you deliberately lying, or just going with your gut and saying whatever comes to mind?

Either way...

I wasn't believing the claim much yesterday, why would he know who roleblocked him?

vote: Panzer

[Toaster Strudel]

And I'm sure he's not scum on Snaps' team, because he was pushing a case against Snaps nearly from the beginning of that wagon.

So you're saying that Panzer could not bus aggressively? I've been bus'ed quite specularly by buddies in the past myself, so maybe I'm a little biased.

[Toaster Strudel]

I think PEG killed this game.

No kidding, now let's kill xyzzy. Or whoever we were lynching... I totally forget where we were at in this game.

[Toaster Strudel]

Why is xyzzy a better lynch than you?

I keep mixing up those repeats of the last three letters of the alphabet.

But I did some hard work, but it looks like PEG distracted us from a Panzer wagon.

[Toaster Strudel]

Beginning to think TS might be scum, because of the "OMG PEG is scum because he distracted us from lynching Panzer with useful info!" thing. I'm 100% in favor of a Panzer lynch, but I'm okay with data.

Where did I say that?

[Toaster Strudel]

Beginning to think TS might be scum, because of the "OMG PEG is scum because he distracted us from lynching Panzer with useful info!" thing. I'm 100% in favor of a Panzer lynch, but I'm okay with data.

And could you please quote and explain the post where she makes the "OMG PEG...<snip>"?

We might consider continuing to play the game while he's busy looking for things that didn't happen.

Did you analyze zz, voll?

[Toaster Strudel]

Unvote, Vote TS

Why are you voting me..I'm townie..anyone wanting to lynch me is stupid and TS is obvious scum.

Thank you for not considering the possibility that I might be stupid!

[Toaster Strudel]

I've lost track of this game. Are we lynching someone?

[Toaster Strudel]

I've lost track of this game. Are we lynching someone?

Sure. Would you like to volunteer?

If it stops this game from stalling, I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the common good.

[Toaster Strudel]

There is one scum, then a scum duo, then a townie.

Yeah, a massclaim should be realllly interesting.

[Toaster Strudel]

I think it's 2-2 - seems most plausible, balance-wise.

Yeah, I just realized, there's only 18 players in this game.

[Toaster Strudel]

Well so far the three dead mafiates only had the title of "goon" - maybe all the mafia is goons.

The 2-shot vig is dead. Only one night had more than two kills.

[Toaster Strudel]

A 2-shot vig AND a vig? Mmmm... that'd be weird, no?

I forgot about the roleblocking. Mmmmm.

What's your list of suspects, Rishi?

[Toaster Strudel]

I'll have limited access Thursday and Friday. I have to do re-read this weekend.

If the setup is two 3-men scumteams, I don't think you're the townie, Rishi. If you are, and only you know this for a fact, then the setup might not be what we think it is.

[Toaster Strudel]

I did. I'm just more subtle because I don't want to be jumped on by 3 scumbags if that's the situation. Thanks for blowing my cover.

I don't think you're the townie, Rishi. If you are, and only you know this for a fact, then the setup might not be what we think it is.

[Toaster Strudel]

yzzyx do you have a list of suspects?

Sorry for the repeated delays I'll try to re-read the game tomorrow.

[Toaster Strudel]

Rishi, your list of suspects?

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm trying to figure out who is buddies with who...

[Toaster Strudel]

xyzzy did bus egruntz pretty heavily right out of the garage... mmmm...

[Toaster Strudel]

Looking at Rishi, beyond a vote for Snaps, that didn't look like typical bus'ing, I'm not seeing strong links to scumbags... mmmm...

[Toaster Strudel]

PEG is so hard to follow, he's like a spammer, but he does seem to be actively and seriously looking for scum.

He goes rabid against Bookitty, which turned up townie, and looked really townie all along anyway from my point of view, it would seem odd for a scumbag to go to such lengths to make a case against a townie when there is no momentum capital.

[Toaster Strudel]

Maybe a PEG prod is in order...

Mod Prod: PEG

[Toaster Strudel]

'Cuz I want to know where he's going to place his vote.

See, that's what's going to give me a big hint of who is scum with who.

[Toaster Strudel]

That's right. If we have a pair of scumbags remaining, and I make a mistake, we lose. I don't want that to happen.

[Toaster Strudel]

All I know is my own alignment.

I suspect everyone else.

[Toaster Strudel]

vote: xyzzy

That's what I tought, too.

[Toaster Strudel]

yay....

[Toaster Strudel]

hey, it's over. cool. I am sad I lost.
I'm also curious as to why I was NK'd.

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