Can't be protected
VOTE: 0verki11
Can't be protected
I feel town's first goal in a game is to get out of RVS, I feel of all the posts so far this one stands out as one that's not helping towards that.In post 20, Gamma Emerald wrote:@UnaH: your avi was a static image, what happened?
My opinion is wrong or my vote is wrong? Or both?In post 29, Not_Mafia wrote:joges is wrong not scum
If everything is wrong then how do you know overkill is right??In post 34, Chateau Lobby wrote:Everything is wrong.In post 33, joges wrote:My opinion is wrong or my vote is wrong? Or both?In post 29, Not_Mafia wrote:joges is wrong not scum
Move your vote to overkill please.
If you do we can be friends.
That sounds terrible. RVS is miserable.In post 60, GuyInFreezer wrote:Actually that is what YOU think of what town's goal in RVS is.In post 27, joges wrote:I feel town's first goal in a game is to get out of RVS
I personally like to drag RVS for at least 8 pages. As town.
I agree with Gamma, I don't know why people to this point want to lynch overkill.
This wasn't their first post, it was their second, does that change the read?In post 68, UnaBombaH wrote:...aaand this is scum for wanting to create a third equal wagon in their first post.
I feel this is a huge stretch. I don’t see how it matters. I also don’t see how that player would expectto get away with that. If they always switch when given a certain role/alignment then it would blow their cover eventually. I don’t see someone doing that to their game.In post 98, Chateau Lobby wrote:AP replacing with an alt.
His scum is exposed.
Doesn't want to ruin meta of AP.
Now
VOTE: Almost50.
Must vote him now.
Fair enough, but I disagree.In post 342, Springtrap wrote:I dont think I can willingly vote someone for only switching their name and account. That seems more likely to be a thing you do during the moment. Never for a calculated reason.
You do you.In post 344, Xtoxm wrote:Gonna go ahead and move joges into my scumpool for making a sincere case over an altslip
The context of the moment made me feel like there was something icky about your post. I still have this feeling. But there are people who are much scummier to me than you.In post 351, stan1ey wrote:I don't see how this is scummy tbh. I can see persivul's point that me switching from Persivul to Overkill and back to Persivul can be seen as scummy but not this. Now its like im damned if i do damned if i don'tIn post 341, joges wrote:Stan1ey, in 209 you were fine with another lynch and kept your vote where it was. Just felt blah, like a person who nods yes with their finger's crossed behind their back.
I completely expect you to feel this way. I'm sorry, that you've been caught.In post 364, Not_Mafia wrote:This is a tragically bad postIn post 341, joges wrote:So, I think A50 liked his scum team and switched accounts. I'm betting it's him, Persivul and Not_Mafia. This is where my head is and this is the thought I like the best of all of my thoughts. I wanted to defend the switch, but now I don't like it. The reason I don't like it is because you wouldn't do it without a reason. You wouldn't log in, post a few times, and think "Nah, I'm gonna switch accounts" There's something that made that trigger happen. Also, the post where you essentially coach all of the town PRs on how to handle you N1 is groossssssss.
VOTE: A50
My other outside shots at scum are:
Stan1ey, in 209 you were fine with another lynch and kept your vote where it was. Just felt blah, like a person who nods yes with their finger's crossed behind their back.
Overki11, who had 245 and 250 combined to make what felt like manufactured fake slip.
I'm find thinking the rest of the game is town, and would help lynch any of these. Let's lynch A50 first tho. ty.
In post 372, Persivul wrote:Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?
Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...
I looked at this post and made my choice about you two. Also you two are the only two in the game that I've played with before (unless someone is on an alt account I'm not familiar with) and from my mind set think that it would be one of, if not both of, you that would make someone want to play "seriously." This is also the post that made me decide A50 was scum.In post 278, Almost50 wrote:Let me give a hint to those "not in the know" about how serious (i.e. dangerous)as scumsome of the players in this game are:
Almost50:Not to be arrogant, but many consider me a very dangerous scum player, and I'm often the N1 investigation check. The downside is when I'm Town I am also often the N1 kill, so you should decide whether to take that risk and check me on N1 or wait to see if I'm dead anyway.
Not_Mafia:He's dangerous as scum because he's charming. half the players on MS want to policy lynch him for his play, while the other half (myself included) enjoy his company to the point they won't vote him unless he is mod-confirmed scum.
Chateau Lobby:I don't know exactly who this is, but the play style reminds me of a few dangerous players. (I won't list them so as to not out his true identity according to his wish).
Xtoxm:Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort.
This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.
I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.
No need to be scared.In post 368, Chateau Lobby wrote:Joges
People are afriad to lynch
A50.
Move your vote to Persivul
or
overkill
for more impact.
We can get A50 later
if we need to.
No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.In post 379, Persivul wrote:Spoiler:
You're scum reading me because A50 isn't playing seriously, and because he said "I'd also keep an eye of Persy"?
Am I understanding this correctly?
I will consider switching soon. Overkill has been a scum read of mine, definitely. But we've seen their wagon to L1 or L2 today already. Why do you think it lost it's grip?In post 383, Chateau Lobby wrote:We know you SR A50.In post 378, joges wrote:No need to be scared.In post 368, Chateau Lobby wrote:Joges
People are afriad to lynch
A50.
Move your vote to Persivul
or
overkill
for more impact.
We can get A50 later
if we need to.
I'm fine on A50 for now. He is my biggest scum read. I will help you with those wagons if A50 becomes futile.
Me too.
But
Now is not the time.
His wagon will not gain momentum.
If he is scum
He is not the only one.
Make your vote count.
We can always
Move our vote
Back to
A50
When the time
Is right.
So it's not in the rules of this game, that means scum either has an encryptor or doesn't have daychat?In post 394, Persivul wrote:In a Normal, if scum have day talk (without an encryptor), it must be noted by mod.In post 388, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?
A50 keeps track of his stats, which means he cares about them. That tells me there's something about this game A50 likes. A50's post telling everyone how to deal with him at Night reeked of scum to me. Because of this, I'm scum reading A50. Because A50 is scum to me, I've decided that's his reason for switching. But I don't think A50 would just switch because he is scum, but rather because of who he is scum with. Maybe I'm wrong about it being BOTH you and Not_Mafia. But if I put myself in A50s shoes and think how I think he is thinking, I would switch accounts for a good scum team. To me, you and Not_Mafia are the two I know the most of, and make the most sense to me as being the people he would want to switch for. This is further proven possible by his post declaring you all good scum players. I believe this is the same post he tries to give orders on how to handle him at night. The same post that gives me my original scum read on him.In post 395, Persivul wrote:OK, you're scum reading me because:In post 391, joges wrote: No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.
- A50 wants to play seriously, as evidenced by his switch from his alt
- He wants to play seriously because he rolled scum with a good scum team and wants the win for his records
- He just went ahead and openly named some players that would make a good scum team
- You picked two of those named players
Is that accurate?
Never seen it.In post 418, Almost50 wrote:I want to respond with utmost gentleness as possible considering what I'm implying in my response.In post 398, joges wrote:A50 keeps track of his stats, which means he cares about them. That tells me there's something about this game A50 likes. A50's post telling everyone how to deal with him at Night reeked of scum to me. Because of this, I'm scum reading A50. Because A50 is scum to me, I've decided that's his reason for switching.
Did you ever watch "We're The Millers"? If you did, you'd know Nick Offerman's character had a personal problem. Right? So seeing as you picked his image to be in your avatar I have decided that you have the same personal problem in your real life and are subconsciously projecting it. I have thus decided that the other party also is unsatisfied, and this likely why you're playing Mafia in the first place. I will stop at this because anything I might add can neither be subtle nor can it be phrased nicely.
Have a nice evening.
I'm quoting this so I remember where to start when I next get a chance to read.In post 488, stan1ey wrote:He was acting very confident and his posts were patronising and suggested he knew more than others even though his arguments made no sense and were clearly manufactured, very very different to how he has played this game
Now since you asked me and I answered, what makes you think NM is town this game based on your experience?? Because it seems to me he plays the exact same way every game
In post 269, 0verki11 wrote:Im self confirmable btw, will confirm tommorow.
In post 274, 0verki11 wrote:I mean I realised there maybe a scum varient of my role. But I can atleast confirm my ability exists.In post 273, Persivul wrote:Fair enough for one day. I suggest you really think through your role and consider other possible roles in the game though. There really aren't many fully confirmable roles in the game, and if you come in tomorrow with some BS story about how you read your role wrong it won't sit well.In post 269, 0verki11 wrote:Im self confirmable btw, will confirm tommorow.
VOTE: Stanley
Every time you mention this PR and offering it up, you come back with a reason not to.In post 578, 0verki11 wrote:As I said, I forgot that a mafia varient of my role could exist. I can confirm my ability today, but im almost helping mafia by giving the info.In post 576, Xtoxm wrote:So overkill why hasnt Rob revealed your Ic status
I like this post.In post 580, Chateau Lobby wrote:Everyone could confirm their abilityIn post 578, 0verki11 wrote:As I said, I forgot that a mafia varient of my role could exist. I can confirm my ability today, but im almost helping mafia by giving the info.In post 576, Xtoxm wrote:So overkill why hasnt Rob revealed your Ic status
Today.
And that would all
Help
Mafia.
Nice try.
In post 584, 0verki11 wrote:Xtoxm visited Stanley and Guyinafreezer, tyty for making me out what it most likely 2 TIs.
I would think if Xtoxm is scum here then there are better lies to make than just saying "I didn't" because even if we follow through with the "turbolynch" it's quickly Xtoxm's turn tomorrow if 0verki11 is town and has a power to back up the claim.In post 599, Xtoxm wrote:Well now he's just bullshitting. I didn't visit anyone last night. We can turbolynch this.
What is the point of asking this question? Are you checking to see if he changes his mind?In post 604, Almost50 wrote:You do know that this means we lynch him and if he flips Tracker you will follow, right?In post 599, Xtoxm wrote:Well now he's just bullshitting. I didn't visit anyone last night. We can turbolynch this.
Why is town multitasking not possible now? Was it possible before? If so what made it so it isn't possible now? If it isn't possible now for town to have it, is it still possible for scum?In post 615, Gamma Emerald wrote:If they are Multitasking, yes. I also thought he could be a town Multitasking role but that’s not possible now.In post 614, 0verki11 wrote:can mafia use the factional kill and use there ability at the same time?
In post 634, Almost50 wrote:UNVOTE:
Stanley is the scummiest scummy scum I've played with in a year!
In fact, I'll let this resolve itself and go for him
VOTE: stanley
Of 0verki11 is Town; Scum can't afford to kill him tonight or Xtox, becomes confirmed Scum. EVEN if Scum were willing to male that sacrifice then we still got them busy rather than have done the job for them.
If 0verki11 is Scum then the Town Cop (if existent) knows where to check (Hint: NOT 0verki11. The mere existence of a Town Cop makes the Tracker claim a Scum claim. Cop should check outside of 0verki11/Xtoxm, give us a 2nd guilty or a confirmed townie, then claim tomorrow). Mote that the Town may still have a PROTECTIVE role, so the Cop claiming with a solid guilty, or a confirmed Town, plus 0verki11 mechanically guiltied is GOOD because chances are the Cop will still survive to get us a 3rd result.
If anyone is confused by all this, forget I said anything. Just vote Stanley and let someone else worry about the rest of it.
I could understand this if you had discussed a possible way you were thinking they were both town. But you openly state that one of them is scum in 647 but remove your vote from 0verki11. And it's not to even switch to Xtoxm its to someone else. Sure you give your reasons, but you have to know at best your reasons COULD be wrong. Where as a SURE thing, "One of the 2 is scum, that's for sure...", I think town should want to stay focused at the task at hand. Deciding who they feel is more likely scum based on the claim between 0verki11 and Xtoxm. But you start a new wagon?In post 647, Almost50 wrote:It's abundantly clear you don't have conviction in anything you say. One of the 2 is scum, that's for sure, but you are flip flopping and not giving it much thought, yet you desperately want to be on either wagon.In post 640, stan1ey wrote:If i was mafia and a town investigative said I visited someome (or 2 people) id say yes I visited as a town pr rather than say i visited nobody.This translates as SCUM who is not sure whether to bus or save their buddy. You're literally caught between a rock and a hard place.
In post 636, 0verki11 wrote:but I cleared him as town already, after we lynch Xtoxm we lynch A50 imo.
I don't see how you cleared anyone with your power. From town0verki11 right now, with Xtoxm DENYING your claim, you should be 100% on Xtoxm for the lynch, I'm fairly certain to this point your vote is there (and if it's not after his counterclaim then ). Since you should know that he is scum now then you've got to also think that he either used his power(s) on town town, scum town, or scum scum. However, you're only mentioning Stan1ey and not mentioning GIF. If you've town confirmed Stan1ey, then you've either scum confirmed GIF or town confirmed him. This further decreases my feelings that you told the truth about your result because you would have thought a lot more about something you actually had and would also be mentioning this.In post 649, 0verki11 wrote:Stanley is confirmed town how hard is that to understand.
Who claimed VT?In post 851, 0verki11 wrote:Because they claimed VT, not town multitasker.In post 850, joges wrote:PAGE 25
What is the point of asking this question? Are you checking to see if he changes his mind?In post 604, Almost50 wrote:You do know that this means we lynch him and if he flips Tracker you will follow, right?In post 599, Xtoxm wrote:Well now he's just bullshitting. I didn't visit anyone last night. We can turbolynch this.
Why is town multitasking not possible now? Was it possible before? If so what made it so it isn't possible now? If it isn't possible now for town to have it, is it still possible for scum?In post 615, Gamma Emerald wrote:If they are Multitasking, yes. I also thought he could be a town Multitasking role but that’s not possible now.In post 614, 0verki11 wrote:can mafia use the factional kill and use there ability at the same time?
I like this post because it's the same thought process I'm having. Which makes me want to start pushing your towards town.In post 656, Almost50 wrote:Are you one of those players who speak before they think?? HOW is stanleyIn post 648, 0verki11 wrote:If you belevive that Stanley is scum then im scum too. Choose me or Xtoxm or im tunneling you if im still alive to do so.In post 647, Almost50 wrote:It's abundantly clear you don't have conviction in anything you say. One of the 2 is scum, that's for sure, but you are flip flopping and not giving it much thought, yet you desperately want to be on either wagon.In post 640, stan1ey wrote:If i was mafia and a town investigative said I visited someome (or 2 people) id say yes I visited as a town pr rather than say i visited nobody.This translates as SCUM who is not sure whether to bus or save their buddy. You're literally caught between a rock and a hard place.confirmedone way or another when we don't know what Xtoxm targeted him with, if anything at all?
Like, let's assume you are indeed a Town Tracker and that Xtoxm did indeed visit stanley. Why can't that have been a Doctor shot? Like, maybe Xtoxm is a multi-tasking Scum JOAT who targeted his buddy with protection and GiF with a kill or block? Or maybe he is plain Mafia Doctor who has the multi-tasking modifier to allow him to kill and heal on the same night?? Did you consider that??
I mean, the way you're arguing I do think you might be Town, because I know you're not experienced enough to fake that with such conviction, but dude.. do not make assumptions and build on them. Inspect and examine every proposition you can this of that could make sense before you rule it out completely.
Aren't you, by voting Xtoxm, also taking 0verki11's word? Haven't you also asked us to accept your word on A50? I don't see why this is any different.
Well, if you haven't been counter claimed yet, i'm just done with page 30, then yeah it does push you town. But your action doesn't completely town confirm A50 imo, but I can see how it would make you think he is town confirmed.In post 864, Clemency wrote:the context was different with the xtoxm vote, it was just a decision on which goes firstIn post 862, joges wrote:Aren't you, by voting Xtoxm, also taking 0verki11's word? Haven't you also asked us to accept your word on A50? I don't see why this is any different.
i'm asking you to accept my word because i straightforward claimed a town protective after a no kill night and didn't get cc'd
i did it because i felt having a50 conftown would be beneficial enough for the game to be worth it
I like this thought process.In post 754, Persivul wrote:I'm a good lynch if CL makes an explicit claim which he can't weasel out of tomorrow.In post 751, Not_Mafia wrote:Can we lynch overkill pls, there's no justice in the world if he lives to day 3, Persivul is always a good lynch though
Wait.In post 757, Persivul wrote:You said you had a night action and I don't see any scum motivation for a faked result on me. So, yes, you're probably a (bad) town PR. You could also be scum or lying town, but those seem less likely.In post 756, Chateau Lobby wrote: Do you think I am town PR?
Wait the what. HUH?
What guilty?In post 797, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah I have my doubtsIn post 752, Xtoxm wrote:So it looks like despite overkill
Changing his claim since yesterday when about to die
Has me visiting 2 people neither of which were the apparent kill target
Others prs having claimed making his existence unlikely from a setup perspective
Mislynching me is still you going to be required to catch him
Because not having a role is unbelievable in comparison to what he's done
So that's cool
Gamma showed a totally non natural read progression today, from spending all yesterday voting overkill to instantly believing him today. Good chance this is one of overkill buddies
But his reasoning for checking you checked out so I figured it was better to lynch you
Btw A50 curious if you feel anything was off about Xtoxm’s reaction to the guilty
This scum read is based on you calling me absent "today" when this post was made not quite 12 hours after my last post, and at 10ish AM EST. I went to bed, if you even need to know, around midnight, woke up at 7ish, took my daughter to school, got groceries, and came home. Meaning your scum read is based on me not responding during around 2? 3? hours of possible times? Not to mention I did post, and even voted in D2 by the time you posted this. I want to chalk this up to a lot happening since I did last post at this point, but this is lazy.In post 813, Xtoxm wrote:joges -absent today, scrummy yesterday, could well be scum
Scumpool: overkill, gamma, Unabomber, joges.
Sad if true.In post 881, Persivul wrote:Because, for better or for worse, Lynch All Liars has gone out of fashion.In post 877, joges wrote:WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE LYING?
I'm going to take a think about everything that has happened. Get my daughter from school. And I think I will be voting again when I get home. I don't like the lying. I also don't like how no one seems to care about the potential amount of liars we have had so far.In post 885, Persivul wrote:If? I don't see wagons on Almost or Chateau.In post 884, joges wrote:Sad if true.
Can you, Xtoxm, explain why overkill told us you visited two people and you denied it?In post 599, Xtoxm wrote:Well now he's just bullshitting. I didn't visit anyone last night. We can turbolynch this.
Makes sense. You didn’t think A50 would be the kill again?In post 938, Clemency wrote:i healed chateauIn post 936, joges wrote:I’ve looked it up. I don’t realy believe you.
@Clemency - Why do you think there is a roleblocker for scum?
Oh, of course that’s what he is. Why didn’t I think of that??In post 955, Almost50 wrote:Xtoxm didn't attempt to kill anyone on N1. He's a Mafia Multi-Tasking JOAT. This role most likely has 1-shot informative abilities such as Tracker/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector ..etc.In post 949, Springtrap wrote:Mafia xtoxm hasn't visited Almost50, who you claimed to have healed. It can be assumed he actually attacked one of these 2 people. You admit to knowing Almost50 and he applauded you for seeing through his ruse. So you would see through it anyway if you are mafia.In post 584, 0verki11 wrote:Xtoxm visited Stanley and Guyinafreezer, tyty for making me out what it most likely 2 TIs.
I feel as if Clemency is claiming doctor as a way to cover himself in the future.
I felt this post:In post 984, Almost50 wrote:@joges: Why would Clemency lie about being RB'd when he could've simply claimed he protected me again?
Was a role fish. Specifically because there are other reasons a person protected could die. Strongman comes to mind without looking it up too much. But Clemency specifically stated "roleblocker" which explains the specific "No Result" that I got. I was roleblocked, I think Clemency knew I was roleblocked, and wanted to see if I would counter them. I'm not sure if maybe they got a result off me from Xtoxm but I saw that post and my first reaction was to counter it. But then I stopped and thought better of it because I had one more ability. I figured they wanted me to counter it to see if I had more than one shot at whatever role they were told I would have.In post 931, Clemency wrote:mafia have a roleblocker
I was told with each ability the three results I would get with each. One was a successful one where I was told what happened, the second was a not successful one where I was told nothing happened, and a third was specifically "No Result"In post 998, GuyInFreezer wrote:Um before we proceed
Joges clarify what you mean by "no result"
Are you positive that the no result was thrown because nobody visited Clem?
Yes, I'm sure. There was a result I would get specifically stating "Playername was not targeted" if I Watched someone and they were not targeted.In post 998, GuyInFreezer wrote:Um before we proceed
Joges clarify what you mean by "no result"
Are you positive that the no result was thrown because nobody visited Clem?
I didn't have a tracker ability.In post 1003, Gamma Emerald wrote:In fact VOTE: joges BECAUSE was had a tracker flip, which imo conflicts with his claim